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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Hi Paul,

    I use Clarity Cap MRs in mine, with excellent results (just depends if you can get the right values, though). Also many people modifying Tannoy crossovers have had excellent results with the Ansar 'Glasshouse' types:

    http://www.hificollective.co.uk/components/ansar.html or here: http://www.cricklewoodelectronics.co...me.php?cat=155

    Superb sound, and don't break the bank either! They also look a little more 'vintage' than others

    Marco.

    I started with the standard Claritys but later had Nick Gorham update with the ESAs, well worth the extra few bob. Hadn't considered the MRs

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    More progress today on the 2nd crossover and wiring:


    This was the state of the wiring from the crossover to the existing 4 pin HPD connector:



    Junked the 0.5mm lighting flex, re-tinned the 4 pin plug and soldered a new better quality 1.5mm conductor size cable between crossover and 4-pin connector. Here it is all tidied up:



    Also designed the new plinth, selected the timber, drew up the cutting list, marked up and cut the timber needed:



    I couldn't find a decent matching Teak veneer for the final finish anywhere (like rocking horse stuff is the original veneer used) so have selected a lovely sheet of Sepele which should be with me later in the week. Got some casters too, so once I have the stands completed I'll post some more pics.

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    Really going for it Paul ... and you haven't even heard them yet

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    There's no stopping an express train Tom

    Doesn't really matter in some ways what they sound like as the whole aim for me is to bring back to life a classic set of British designed and manufactured loudspeakers, hopefully making some improvements as I go along!

    One thing's for sure, and that's that they'll be about as good a set of 12 inch Vintage Tannoys as you can find when everything is done.

    I'm also working on a super-tweeter design for them (DIY of course) but that's on the back burner for now as I want to get the main speakers completed and up and running.

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    Looking good so far, Paul!

    I'm also working on a super-tweeter design for them (DIY of course)...


    Were you influenced at all by recent discussions on that subject?

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Looking good so far, Paul!





    Were you influenced at all by recent discussions on that subject?

    Marco.
    Nope, not at all Marco. It stems back to before I bought the Turnberrys when research showed some benefits of using supertweeters to enhance harmonics which was said to improve overall presentation. Ever the sceptic, most commericial brands are way over priced so I decided then that if I were to try some, they'd have to be DIY. A fellow enthusiast and electronic engineer recommended some units along with the values to try for the caps on a basic crossover. It is something I'll get round to but not for a few months.

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    Hi Tom,

    Quote Originally Posted by montesquieu View Post
    I started with the standard Claritys but later had Nick Gorham update with the ESAs, well worth the extra few bob. Hadn't considered the MRs
    The MRs are quite an improvement on the ESAs, due to the unique design features of the former, in terms of addressing the issue of mechanical resonances. The white paper written on the subject makes interesting reading:

    http://www.hificollective.co.uk/pdf/claritycapmr.pdf

    I've compared the MRs against the ESAs, and there is no question that the former offer a significant sonic improvement. If you can get the right values in MRs, then you've got a nice upgrade waiting there, should you wish to pursue it

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reffc View Post
    Nope, not at all Marco. It stems back to before I bought the Turnberrys when research showed some benefits of using supertweeters to enhance harmonics which was said to improve overall presentation. Ever the sceptic, most commericial brands are way over priced so I decided then that if I were to try some, they'd have to be DIY. A fellow enthusiast and electronic engineer recommended some units along with the values to try for the caps on a basic crossover. It is something I'll get round to but not for a few months.
    That's cool, Paul. I definitely think that if done right, and integrated properly, there is mileage in the use of super-tweeters with Tannoy DCs

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Hi Tom,



    The MRs are quite an improvement on the ESAs, due to the unique design features of the former, in terms of addressing the issue of mechanical resonances. The white paper written on the subject makes interesting reading:

    http://www.hificollective.co.uk/pdf/claritycapmr.pdf

    I've compared the MRs against the ESAs, and there is no question that the former offer a significant sonic improvement. If you can get the right values in MRs, then you've got a nice upgrade waiting there, should you wish to pursue it

    Marco.
    Thanks Marco really interesting. Luckily I scored a spare set of crossovers (which Russ C has just wired & boxed up for me) so I'm ready to part with my existing ones for a bit ... I was in touch with Nick G yesterday and will be sending them up when some new bits arrive:

    • Decent quality connectors (the ones currently are very cheap)
    • Dave Slagle autoformers to replace the current fixed inductors


    There aren't all that many caps in there so maybe the MR upgrade will be affordable ... any idea what the caps bill in total came to on yours?

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    Hi Tom,

    It was a long time ago, mate, and I got them from Hi-Fi Collective along with all sorts of other stuff, such as Duelund resistors and Mundorf air-core foil coil inductors, etc, so I couldn't say for sure, but the final bill certainly wasn't cheap!

    If you check the HFC website, you'll get a good idea of the costs involved of using the MRs.

    In my experience with upgrading crossovers on Tannoy DCs, however, the sonic rewards are significant from spending as much as you can afford on the best components - that is if the end result you desire is genuinely high-end sound, as opposed to something else that is good, but not quite at that level....

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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