Gromit's music centre...

[Marco]

Ignore the shite music, and simply admire the audiophile porn:






Marco.

[Gromit]

Hi Rob - yes, the tiny little Kolts (they're no bigger than the Control Ones!) were hooked up late yesterday evening sound really fine. They certainly need a fair bit more juice than my other speakers, but on most material sound excellent - acoustic piano especially. Smooth, with surprisingly accomplished bass for such a tiny enclosure, and what is also surprising (given that litte box) is that they like a bit of room around them. Putting them near to the back wall makes them a tad muddy in my room. Thanks again for the lend of them.

Hi Marco - all fair points.

Actually my Sony was a 6750 - the 8750 is the one I'd really like to own which is by all accounts (and those in the know) the one to have. It's a stunning bit of kit. That platter is actually quite deceiving on the 6750 - although it's large, it doesn't weigh much (the Technics platter is probably slightly heavier believe it or not!) but I think where the Sony scores is its motor which I'm sure would start a car, so much torque does it have. Good thing about the Sony (having chatted to Richard at Vantage about them a while back) is that they're totally serviceable - good to know, and whilst a repair may not be 'cheap' in real terms, if it means keeping a deck like this working correctly it's money well spent.

By all accounts the PS-4750 is a goodie too - same motor/control system/plinth material as the 6750 but with a simpler tonearm.

At Scalford both my decks had the same cartridge (2M Black) and used on the same shelf.

As to a big Pioneer - I'm very slightly cold on this at the moment. The deck I'd be after is a PL50LII (pretty much a scaled-down P3a) but I have it on good authority that these do contain a lot of completely unobtainable parts which makes them a risky purchase.

Must dash...work to do!

[hoopsontoast]

Hi Rob - yes, the tiny little Kolts (they're no bigger than the Control Ones!) were hooked up late yesterday evening sound really fine. They certainly need a fair bit more juice than my other speakers, but on most material sound excellent - acoustic piano especially. Smooth, with surprisingly accomplished bass for such a tiny enclosure, and what is also surprising (given that litte box) is that they like a bit of room around them. Putting them near to the back wall makes them a tad muddy in my room. Thanks again for the lend of them.

Richard, glad they will be getting some use

They seem to respond to decent heavy stands as well, although never tried them with lightweight/open frame stands.

[dantheman91]

Richard, glad they will be getting some use

They seem to respond to decent heavy stands as well, although never tried them with lightweight/open frame stands.

You have sold the kolts then

[Gromit]

You have sold the kolts then

Rob's just very kindly lending them to me - I did try to get him to sell them though.

[dantheman91]

Hey

Oh fair enough i have a pair of keesonic Kubs. Their very good.

I did'nt get on with the control 1's for some reason

[Marco]

Actually my Sony was a 6750 - the 8750 is the one I'd really like to own which is by all accounts (and those in the know) the one to have.

Ah, thanks for the clarification - still a 'proper' audiophile T/T then, by all accounts

That platter is actually quite deceiving on the 6750 - although it's large, it doesn't weigh much (the Technics platter is probably slightly heavier believe it or not!)

It's not the weight of the platter that's necessary important, but rather how resonant it is, and crucially, how sonically synergistic its partnership is with the T/T's drive system and motor. EMT have for years been making some of the best direct-drive turntables in the world, using rather 'flimsy' platters, in conjunction with brutal motors (torque wise), and it's a combination that works rather well!

A similar thing could be happening with the Sony (either of those under discussion), in that the effectiveness of the platter/motor relationship is superior to that of the Technics, in its stock form; indeed I suspect that this is the case.

It's also worth noting that 'silly' amounts of torque is not necessarily, sonically, a good thing. Much depends on how it is used (and indeed addressed) in the overall design of the T/T, and on that issue there are various schools of thought. For example, the Brinkmann Oasis (details here: http://www.brinkmann-audio.de/main.p...=oasis&lang=en), a rather nice looking D/D turntable, which I heard and compared directly with my Techy, in the same system (and where the Brinkmann lost ), eschews the principle of having a high-torque motor and a light(ish) platter, and goes the opposite way with a very heavy platter and a low-torque motor.

Furthermore, the SP10 has rather more torque than my SL-1210, but when the latter has been judiciously modified, to the level I've taken it to, the extra torque of the former did not result in it outperforming my own turntable. Therefore, it's risky to think that more torque automatically equates to a better sound. What matters most is how well the respective design principles of the T/Ts in question have been implemented by their manufacturers. Ultimately, it's all about synergy!

At Scalford both my decks had the same cartridge (2M Black) and used on the same shelf.

That's fine, and again thanks for the clarification.

As to a big Pioneer - I'm very slightly cold on this at the moment. The deck I'd be after is a PL50LII (pretty much a scaled-down P3a) but I have it on good authority that these do contain a lot of completely unobtainable parts which makes them a risky purchase.

Think very carefully about it then, as the last thing you'd want to be left with is an expensive ornament... That's primarily the reason why I've never done a similar thing myself. I'd die for one of these (a Denon DN-308 broadcast T/T, as used by the NHK in Japan):







VU meters on a turntable, whoop, whoop!!

However, even if I could find one at a price I'd be willing to pay, the risk would be too great, should anything irreplaceable go pop.

*That* is precisely why I've gone down the route I have with the Techy. Not only does it sound stunning, but every bit on it was bought from new and can be repaired or replaced by qualified personnel.

What price can you put on having not only continuous peace of mind, in terms of reliability, but in owning a unique and superb sounding turntable, which delivers total musical satisfaction, daily? It's ultimately what makes modifying the Techy a safe (and musically rewarding choice) for many vinyl music lovers :cool

Marco.

[Beobloke]

Indeed Dave - I've only ever seen one for sale in the UK, and it sold for something itro £450 if I remember correctly.

There was a PS-8750 under a table at one of the Tonbridge Audiojumbles last year for £130. I know because I didn't buy it.....

[Gromit]

There was a PS-8750 under a table at one of the Tonbridge Audiojumbles last year for £130. I know because I didn't buy it.....

indeed.

[hoopsontoast]

Rob's just very kindly lending them to me - I did try to get him to sell them though.

Yeah, certainly wont be selling the Kolts (again ) but have offered them to Richard on long term loan as they were sitting un-used in my spare room