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Thread: Stan's New Dac - any reviews yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReachtheSky View Post
    Can anybody reason or explain how and why?
    Apart from more Stan wizardry, it dosen't make sense to me.
    How much of my design skills makes sense? I must have many other designers ripping my unit apart just to find out how I do it.
    The USB bit is down to thinking out of the box. I use a separate re-clocking for the USB, instead of the same re-clocking of the remaining digital inputs. One reason for that is the fact that for bit accuracy and low jitter purposes a combined re-clocking frequency would be a compromise for either type of signals. So they had to have their own clocks.
    The USB circuit is also isolated from the rest of the digital circuit and is in fact on its own PCB that is around 15mm up in the air and away from the main digital PCB. Only two wires go from the USB PCB to the main PCB. That way none of he USB circuitry tracks come in contact or share space with anything else. So digital data from the USB side don't cross path with any other digital signal.

    I used the same technique for the output stage. It too is about 25mm up in the air and away from any digital or power supply signal and wiring. All that helps to keep the various signal routes from getting affected by noise and artefacts from adjacent signal routes.

    What I found is that even though this method of designing involves the fabrication of several circuit boards, the audible benefits are well worth it. For production reasons, a lot of companies use the far cheaper option of banging everything on one PCB. But my reckoning is that even if it cost me more at the manufacturing end to have four boards when just about everyone else would try to get away with just one, the results from my DAC would encourage more customers to go for my DAC and thereby offset my increased manufacturing cost.

    Stan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Toy View Post
    We did find though that it responds positively to being moved from sitting on a cardboard box to one of our proper acrylic Music Works/Quadraspire shelves. This simple relocation brought about improved dynamics, more tunefulness and a bigger soundstage.
    Hi Steve,

    can you PM me details of the shelf? I am quite prepared to mention it on my site. Any samples available for testing and photo shoots?

    STan

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    Is anyone using Stan's TC-7520 with LINUX?

    Stan's instruction PDF only mentions USB connection is compatible with Windows and MAC OS X and Stan appears never to have tested his DAC with LINUX.

    Can anyone confirm that when using the USB connection in LINUX that the device is automatically detected as an external sound card and the ALSA module snd-usb-audio is used? (What does "aplay -l" show?)

    I've no idea what chipset his USB section uses, but if it's the Burr Brown family eg PCM290X then I would expect LINUX to detect it OK but would really like confirmation.
    Last edited by Krisbee; 02-03-2009 at 08:03.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roscoeiii View Post
    There was mention by Stan in this thread of an upgraded power supply for the 7520. When is this going to be available? And will it add any cost to the 7520? Upgradable for those who have already purchased 7520? If so, how much would it cost?
    It is due end of this month. I shall offer the TC-7510 power supply and the new TC-7520 as optional items to pick from. At the moment the TC-7520 is shipping with the TC-7510 power supply. The new PSU will however work on the TC-7510 as well.
    Cost is not yet for certain. At the moment I am hoping that I can ship it to most parts of the world for less than £25. It is a brand new unit that a PSU manufacturer developed for me after he tried a TC-7510 and got interested in designing a dedicated PSU that would do more justice to the DAC. Since it is a new unit, it is going through the required products approvals. But be prepared. Just like my DACs, it doesn't look like much when you first open the box. I am not a PSU design expert, but the designer of the TC-7520 PSU is. And he owns a massive PSU manufacturing company. So I trust him when he tells me that he spent months trying out different design ideas and listening to each of them carefully, before settling on the final version.
    It is a 12V 1.2A switched mode design that comes with a separate figure of 8 mains lead. The design is based on maximum audio performance from the DAC, not maximum amperage. So don't expect a massive brick weighing a few stones with inch thick wires coming from it.

    Stan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisbee View Post
    Is anyone using Stan's TC-7520 with LINUX?

    Stan's instruction PDF only mentions USB connection is compatible with Windows and MAC OS X and Stan appears never to have tested his DAC with LINUX.

    Can anyone confirm that when using the USB connection in LINUX that the device is automatically detected as an external sound card and the ALSA module snd-usb-audio is used?

    I've no idea what chipset his USB section uses, but if it's the Burr Brown family eg PCM290X then I would expect LINUX to detect it OK but would really like confirmation.
    It is the PCM290X. I think that instead of posting the question on various forums, when I already mentioned to you that nobody has tried it on Linux, why not try it for yourself and let the rest of us know if it does or does not work on Linux? That would be far more helpful and give you a few Browny points. I can offer you the DAC at the beta tester price in return for you doing the Linux related tests.

    Stan

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReachtheSky View Post
    Clive, thanks for a great review on the 7520 and in particular the PC-Audio/USB application.

    What amazing results with the PC-Audio/USB - at 16/44 - outperforming the coax - at 24/96 - from a good digital transport source (the Meridian 588 CDP.)

    Can anybody reason or explain how and why?
    Apart from more Stan wizardry, it dosen't make sense to me.
    I wasn't expecting such a conclusive result. Yes the 588 should be a good transport, it's a high speed drive that fills a buffer which feed the DAC. Although the PC/Audio connection is only running at 16/44 we're still talking redbook replay from 16/44 data anyway. I can only put the difference down to the CD technique of re-tries and error correction vs a computer reading a file that must be bit perfect. It's not the first time I've read that PC-Audio creams CDP's but it is the first time I've heard it.
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    'It is a 12V 1.2A switched mode design that comes with a separate figure of 8 mains lead'
    Stan-Did you decide on a SMPSU because linear ones are too expensive, or for other reasons?
    Jerry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensimilia View Post
    It is the PCM290X. I think that instead of posting the question on various forums, when I already mentioned to you that nobody has tried it on Linux, why not try it for yourself and let the rest of us know if it does or does not work on Linux? That would be far more helpful and give you a few Browny points. I can offer you the DAC at the beta tester price in return for you doing the Linux related tests.

    Stan
    Stan,

    I posted the question as it might just have been possible that someone has tried the Tc-7520 with LINUX and you were not aware of it. I was hoping for some quick feedback to avoid delaying my purchase decision any further and help others.

    I'd be happy to act as a beta tester and can contact you directly about that. But it's not really necessary, you don't have to be some kind of LINUX expert to do this.

    All it needs is for someone to use one of the many LINUX LiveCDs in their PC to see if the TC-7520 USB connection is detected.

    Using a LINUX Live CD will leave any existing Windows/MAC installation completely untouched and if you can boot your PC from the CD or DVD drive are straightforward to use.
    Last edited by Krisbee; 02-03-2009 at 09:17.

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    just got my mitts on one of stan's 7520s. as i haven't got the right cables, usb/toslink/optical, it can only sit on my shelf for now. will start the grand burn-in journey once i get the cables sorted tomorrow. will try and post more impressions then.

    stan, do keep us informed when the new psu's ready. i'd love to hear it at its best!
    kelvin.

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    Red face

    The TC-7520 works great in Linux (im running alsa 1.0.19 under intrepid). It get reported as a chip from Burr/TI.

    I am still not sure if I need the X-Can v3 between my HD650 and the 7520. The jury is still out on that one.

    cheers!
    Niklas

    lsusb:
    Bus 002 Device 004: ID 08bb:2902 Texas Instruments Japan

    aplay -l
    **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
    ...
    card 1: default [USB Audio CODEC ], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]
    Subdevices: 1/1
    Subdevice #0: subdevice #0


    Quote Originally Posted by Krisbee View Post
    Is anyone using Stan's TC-7520 with LINUX?

    Stan's instruction PDF only mentions USB connection is compatible with Windows and MAC OS X and Stan appears never to have tested his DAC with LINUX.

    Can anyone confirm that when using the USB connection in LINUX that the device is automatically detected as an external sound card and the ALSA module snd-usb-audio is used? (What does "aplay -l" show?)

    I've no idea what chipset his USB section uses, but if it's the Burr Brown family eg PCM290X then I would expect LINUX to detect it OK but would really like confirmation.

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