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  1. #3681
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    Hi Simon,

    Thing is though, that Kondo amp is solid silver all the way through, all capacitors and the output transformers, there's several KG of the stuff in there and that's where a lot of the price comes. There's several k of silver in there, add the 10x retail multiplier and away you go.
    Sure, experience tells me you're right, and it also tells me that solid silver doesn't necessarily sound better than the purest quality solid copper, but it's a great way of giving a product increased 'cachet', as well as beefing up the price tag!

    The 10X retail multiplier, although 'the norm', is sheer greed, too

    Marco.
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  2. #3682
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    Well, the best output transformers I've heard have been silver, definitely a cut above any of the coppers I've heard.

  3. #3683
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    I don't doubt it, Ali, but it's not a magic bullet, like some people think.

    Much depends on other things. I've just rejected an all-silver wound SUT for a (very high quality) copper one, which was undoubtedly sonically superior.

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

  4. #3684
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Hi Simon,



    Sure, experience tells me you're right, and it also tells me that solid silver doesn't necessarily sound better than the purest quality solid copper, but it's a great way of giving a product increased 'cachet', as well as beefing up the price tag!

    The 10X retail multiplier, although 'the norm', is sheer greed, too

    Marco.
    Think there could be more to it than that:

    http://enjoythemusic.com/magazine/so...s/2/ongaku.htm

    http://www.nutshellhifi.com/triode1.html

  5. #3685
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    The current spot price of silver is US$27.118 per troy ounce. (HSBC at 12:07 today)
    There are 32.15 troy ounces in a kg.

    That makes silver worth US$871.84 per kg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe View Post
    At what price point would you say SPPV ceases to apply; ie the law of diminishing returns means spending more ceases to bring about worthwhile improvements?
    For a power amplifier? My Chord SPM-1200E now lists at £7,500 and I consider it to be excellent SPPV considering its build quality, its longevity and reliability (I've had it for over 10 years), and finally the sound quality it has given me. I haven't wanted more since I bought it. Consider it to be an alternative viewpoint for those who want a solid state device rather than valves (although I like both).

    After all, I have to uphold my SS moniker

  7. #3687
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    Looks like a bargain for someone, but it's a bit of a gamble I suppose.

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MADRIGAL-P...item4ab988c78f

  8. #3688
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    And Kondo claim there is 10kg of silver in the Gakuon. 8k worth...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richardl View Post
    Looks like a bargain for someone, but it's a bit of a gamble I suppose.

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MADRIGAL-P...item4ab988c78f
    I had a cheeky punt on this and it ended at 362 quid, blimey
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  10. #3690
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    This one's shaping up to being a real bargain!

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