Bushmaster DAC burn-in

[lurcher]

I'm not really in agreement with this - we are not clones but we are all very similar and IME what I think is a 'good sound' is what anyone will think is a 'good sound'. We don't like to hear distortion, lack of decay, wobbly pitch and all the attributes of poor sound.

Of course, but there is a big difference between the gross faults you describe and the systems we all listen to.

I don't think I have ever heard a system that I liked only to have another listner say 'no, it sounds awful.' And the converse is true, unless it is the owner of the system who may be a little bit biased - as he paid for it - or delusional, of course

Every HiFi show I have gone to has been full of exactly such systems, you only have to read the reports from something like the Pie show to see exactly what you suggest doesnt happen happening.

[Macca]

Every HiFi show I have gone to has been full of exactly such systems, you only have to read the reports from something like the Pie show to see exactly what you suggest doesnt happen happening.

A fair point but the degree of disagreement will, in reality, tend to be quite small becaause we are talking about enthusiasts here and enthusiasts of anything will happily spend hours arguing over their equivilant of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. A non- enthusiast who went along might possibly say something along the lines of 'I thought they were all good'.

[MartinT]

Then amongst the pile I dug out The Trinity Sessions by the Cowboy Junkies. Aha I thought... an old hifi testing standard. In fact I recalled a magazine many years ago claiming to use 'Mining for Gold' as the way of testing your systems resolution ( if you can hear the foot taps on the stage creating a deep rhythm at the start.

Playing it now, haven't listened to it for years.

[lurcher]

A fair point but the degree of disagreement will, in reality, tend to be quite small becaause we are talking about enthusiasts here and enthusiasts of anything will happily spend hours arguing over their equivilant of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. A non- enthusiast who went along might possibly say something along the lines of 'I thought they were all good'.

Ok, but a non player would have a problem telling a Fender custom shop special strat from a argos starter set by touch alone, but that doesnt mean the difference is not real and important.

I do know that at shows I have been to, I have heard systems that I would not use as a garden system and I found actually unpleasant to listen to. But there were folk in the room smiling and looking happy.

[DaveK]

Of course, but there is a big difference between the gross faults you describe and the systems we all listen to.



Every HiFi show I have gone to has been full of exactly such systems, you only have to read the reports from something like the Pie show to see exactly what you suggest doesnt happen happening.

It may be a matter of some debate on this forum as to whether I'm fit to pronounce opinions on anything Nick has posted but, IMHO, he is absolutely hitting the nail on the head.
Take for example the wide variety of audio fora that there are around - it could be said with some accuracy that some of them, (dare I suggest even this one?), has it's 'house sound'. If you share that 'house sound' you tend to stick around but if you don't you move on to another forum where your opinions are more in tune (sorry ) with those of the other members.
Dave.

[Macca]

I do know that at shows I have been to, I have heard systems that I would not use as a garden system and I found actually unpleasant to listen to. But there were folk in the room smiling and looking happy.

Probably drunk or just glad to get away from the wife for a couple of hours

[magiccarpetride]

Reading some of these comments makes me wonder what the point is of trying to improve the accuracy and quality of the music that is played back.
No matter how much time and effort audio designers put into improving equipment, there will always be people who are quite happy with what they have already been listening to before. There is no doubt about that. But to take issues with improvements is taking things in a completely different realm. I would even suggest that holders of such views should spend less time on audio forums. Atheists don't go to church after all.

Hence the inevitable race to the bottom which brought us to the present 'iPhone with white earbuds' state of affairs. Will the hi fi industry continue, will it survive once us old geezers pack it up?

If everyone stops spending money on improved equipment, people like Stan will be forced to stop researching and innovating. I'm not seeing younger generations obsessing about the quality of sound reproduction, do you? We may end up being the last Mohicans.

[RoboCopper]

Hence the inevitable race to the bottom which brought us to the present 'iPhone with white earbuds' state of affairs. Will the hi fi industry continue, will it survive once us old geezers pack it up?

If everyone stops spending money on improved equipment, people like Stan will be forced to stop researching and innovating. I'm not seeing younger generations obsessing about the quality of sound reproduction, do you? We may end up being the last Mohicans.

Scary contemplations

[Macca]

Hence the inevitable race to the bottom which brought us to the present 'iPhone with white earbuds' state of affairs. Will the hi fi industry continue, will it survive once us old geezers pack it up?

If everyone stops spending money on improved equipment, people like Stan will be forced to stop researching and innovating. I'm not seeing younger generations obsessing about the quality of sound reproduction, do you? We may end up being the last Mohicans.

Reminds me - I went to a poker game at a friend of a friend's recently. Lovely place but rented so there was hardly any furniture so we were playing on the kitchen table. They are all 'youngsters' i.e in their twenties. Someone called for some sounds so out comes an i-phone and an egg shaped contraption that extends out to make a loudspeaker. One 2 inch driver firing upwards.

I jokingly suggested that we have the next game around my place because I have stereo sound. They were nonplussed.

[RoboCopper]

ha ha ha....good one