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  1. #131
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Hi Chris,



    Perhaps not for you, but it is for me, as I'm a fussy fucker. Just because someone says that an SP10 can be restored to "top performance", doesn't necessarily make it so!



    Yes, of course. No argument there. However, the state of affairs with me is that I've not heard any SP10 so far sound as good as my modded Techy, and as no-one I know has fully upgraded an SP10, such a comparison isn't available.

    Like you, my current comparison benchmark is the L-07D. The last time I compared one belonging to a mate, to my Techy, the L-07D won, but not by a massive margin - and that was before my T/T was fitted with the new Ortofon arm, better SPU, Funk platter and Paul Hynes SR7.....

    It would be interesting to revisit the situation again and see what happens, which is something that I intend to do soon, so watch this space!

    Marco.

    Hi Marco

    Did you ever get round to hearing Andrew's LP12 against your deck ?

    I guess it comes down to you can trust and believe ! If Richard tells me he can restore an SP10 , that's good enough for me as I've gotten to know the guy and he won't and doesn't promise miracles , just very down to earth and to the point !

    The Funk platter is very interesting , shame it's 600 knicker as I ain't got 2 pot to Piss in at moment lol , but at least my deck is alive again
    Chris

    We've gone on holiday by mistake !

  2. #132
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    Dave, there are technical reasons why capacitors age, even when not used (which I'm sure Paul will explain, as Anthony has to me), so it doesn't matter where in the circuit that they are. They could've been lying on top of your wardrobe, unsed for 40 years, and it wouldn't matter.

    Also, as I've said before, most modern electrical components are far superior. I found that out when I upgraded the crossovers in my Tannoys, so the fact is, whatever 40-year old caps, resistors and such like are inside an SP10, will easily be upgraded by replacing them with the best of what's produced now.

    Anyway, what concerns me most about SP10s is not what components are inside them, but the physical abuse that most of the ones available now will have had, after having been hammered to death in broadcasting studios, and I'm afraid that I'd never be comfortable knowing that the T/T I'm using hasn't had the loving care from day one that it deserves, regardless of what anyone now does to supposedly 'fix' it.

    Must run now - I've got some mates coming round for a sesh, who want to hear the Lockwoods

    Laters!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarzan View Post
    Piccies!
    once I have pics the item will be available for sale, any day now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Dave, there are technical reasons why capacitors age, even when not used (which I'm sure Paul will explain, as Anthony has to me), so it doesn't matter where in the circuit that they are. They could've been lying on top of your wardrobe, unsed for 40 years, and it wouldn't matter.

    Also, as I've said before, most modern electrical components are far superior. I found that out when I upgraded the crossovers in my Tannoys, so the fact is, whatever 40-year old caps, resistors and such like are inside an SP10, will easily be upgraded by replacing them with the best of what's produced now.

    Anyway, what concerns me most about SP10s is not what components are inside them, but the physical abuse that most of the ones available now will have had, after having been hammered to death in broadcasting studios, and I'm afraid that I'd never be comfortable knowing that the T/T I'm using hasn't had the loving care from day one that it deserves, regardless of what anyone now does to supposedly 'fix' it.

    Must run now - I've got some mates coming round for a sesh, who want to hear the Lockwoods

    Laters!

    Marco.
    there are 100's of SP10's dude that are un-molested, look at this baby, one owner from new, simply devine.

    The SP10 I am sorry to say is far beter built than the SL1200, just try stopping the platter from spinning on the SP10 , the SL1200 platter stops even with the slightest touch.






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    Nice! But have you got any evidence of its history - perhaps you know the person who has owned it from new?

    The SP10 I am sorry to say is far beter built than the SL1200, just try stopping the platter from spinning on the SP10 , the SL1200 platter stops even with the slightest touch.
    Agreed, but in practice that fact is not allowing the SP10s I've compared my Techy against to sonically outperform it, so who cares?



    Right, must run - I have guests to entertain!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

  6. #136
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    I had this deck in my house for 3 weeks to up-grade the PSU and obviously listened to it in earnest, it is superb. The owner has had it from new, 25-30 years or there abouts.

    The amount of wonga you have spent on your Tech will fool your brain into dismissing all other turntables as being inferior to yours anyway so who cares.........

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    Dpes the SL10 use the same motor as the SL1200/1210?
    Current Lash Up:

    TEAC VRDS 701T > Sony TAE1000ESD > Krell KSA50S > Troels Gravesen Faital 3WC-15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mains Cables R Us View Post
    there are 100's of SP10's dude that are un-molested, look at this baby, one owner from new, simply devine.

    The SP10 I am sorry to say is far beter built than the SL1200, just try stopping the platter from spinning on the SP10 , the SL1200 platter stops even with the slightest touch.





    Hi Dave

    I'm drooling m8 , that is pretty lush ! would I swap that for my modded 1210 ? Erm yesterday lol
    Chris

    We've gone on holiday by mistake !

  9. #139
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    Dpes the SL10 use the same motor as the SL1200/1210?
    SL10 ? You mean the linear tracker ? It's very similar.

    The SP10 is completely different , being a closed type of DD where the magnet is integral with the coil , it's far more powerful too with much greater torque and the PSU is quite different also .
    Chris

    We've gone on holiday by mistake !

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    Thanks Chris , yes I did mean the SP10 So it is a different motor, that's interesting...
    Current Lash Up:

    TEAC VRDS 701T > Sony TAE1000ESD > Krell KSA50S > Troels Gravesen Faital 3WC-15.

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