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    Technically, the Funk platter won't need an external PSU, as its mass is identical to that of the stock Techy platter. However, like Martin says, in terms of the optimal order of modifying the Techy, adding a quality external PSU comes first!

    Incidentally, as promised, I will be reviewing the Funk Firm platter in detail (and a few other things I've pencilled in) ASAP. I had intended to this at the end of last year, but a family bereavement put paid to that. However, the Funk Firm platter is so special that I simply cannot omit acknowledging how fundamentally it transforms the Techy into a world-class music reproduction machine.

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    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinT View Post
    It may not require an external PSU, Jostein, but more to the point why would you want to? You really need to perform the external PSU upgrade first as otherwise you won't get the best from the platter.
    Does the PSU upgrade involve a bit of work? Have not really checked out that.
    My hifi system:

    Turntable: Technics SL-1200 MKII, Ortofon 2M Bronze cartridge, Mike New bearing, MCRU PSU (c), Oyaide HS-CF headshell, Oyaide MJ-12 TT mat, Vantage Audio Copper mat, Isonoe Isolation Feet, Isodek IF-2 isolation platform, Furutech Monza LP stabilizer, Herbie's Hal-O JR damper Phono Stage: Hagerman Cornet 3 (prototype) Amplifiers: EAR 868L Preamp, Transcription Audio 211 Heaven Power amp, Bob Carver Cherry 180 power amp CD Player: Ear Yoshino Acute Tuner: Magnum Dynalab 90T Speakers: Vandersteen 2CE SigII, Townshend Audio Super Tweeters, Transcription Audio Speakers Cables and stuff: LFD Audio interconnects and speaker cables, Mark Grant G2000HD, BlackCat Electronics, Van Den Hul Clearwater, Black Rhodium mains cables, Black Rhodium mains block, Finite Elements Resonator, Townhsend Stella Speaker stands, Pro Audio Bono hifi rack, Herbie's spike gliders, Herbie's Ultravox and Hal-O tube dampers, Super Black Hole CD mat Record Cleaning Machine: Loricraft PRC4

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    Quote Originally Posted by jostber View Post
    Does the PSU upgrade involve a bit of work? Have not really checked out that.
    Yes, it's a little work but not too difficult. Essentially, it involves:
    1. Remove the internal transformer and power supply PCB
    2. Install a power cable with a solder connection to the PCB and a solder tag to the earth post
    3. Add the external PSU of your choice.

    Much more info and steps here:
    http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8118

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinT View Post
    Yes, it's a little work but not too difficult. Essentially, it involves:
    1. Remove the internal transformer and power supply PCB
    2. Install a power cable with a solder connection to the PCB and a solder tag to the earth post
    3. Add the external PSU of your choice.

    Much more info and steps here:
    http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8118
    Thanks for the link, I will check out the details in this.
    My hifi system:

    Turntable: Technics SL-1200 MKII, Ortofon 2M Bronze cartridge, Mike New bearing, MCRU PSU (c), Oyaide HS-CF headshell, Oyaide MJ-12 TT mat, Vantage Audio Copper mat, Isonoe Isolation Feet, Isodek IF-2 isolation platform, Furutech Monza LP stabilizer, Herbie's Hal-O JR damper Phono Stage: Hagerman Cornet 3 (prototype) Amplifiers: EAR 868L Preamp, Transcription Audio 211 Heaven Power amp, Bob Carver Cherry 180 power amp CD Player: Ear Yoshino Acute Tuner: Magnum Dynalab 90T Speakers: Vandersteen 2CE SigII, Townshend Audio Super Tweeters, Transcription Audio Speakers Cables and stuff: LFD Audio interconnects and speaker cables, Mark Grant G2000HD, BlackCat Electronics, Van Den Hul Clearwater, Black Rhodium mains cables, Black Rhodium mains block, Finite Elements Resonator, Townhsend Stella Speaker stands, Pro Audio Bono hifi rack, Herbie's spike gliders, Herbie's Ultravox and Hal-O tube dampers, Super Black Hole CD mat Record Cleaning Machine: Loricraft PRC4

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    Just a quick one before I go for a coffee and left over xmas cake and cheese, the existing power supply does not need to be removed to fit an external power supply, as long as it is dis-connected, so do not worry, I have plenty of customers who could not or did not want to take the existing PSU out and use an external one and it works very well indeed.

    My new PSU which is now ready is designed for either with or without the existing PSU in place, not everyone feels able to remove the old one and to be fair is it really neccessary as sound quality does not seem to suffer leaving it in place on all the decks I have heard with it still in place and an external one in use, plus if you ever decide to sell the tech on you don't have to mess about putting the old PSU back in do you?

    The best of both worlds, hope that helps someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mains Cables R Us View Post
    Just a quick one before I go for a coffee and left over xmas cake and cheese, the existing power supply does not need to be removed to fit an external power supply, as long as it is dis-connected, so do not worry, I have plenty of customers who could not or did not want to take the existing PSU out and use an external one and it works very well indeed.

    My new PSU which is now ready is designed for either with or without the existing PSU in place, not everyone feels able to remove the old one and to be fair is it really neccessary as sound quality does not seem to suffer leaving it in place on all the decks I have heard with it still in place and an external one in use, plus if you ever decide to sell the tech on you don't have to mess about putting the old PSU back in do you?

    The best of both worlds, hope that helps someone.
    Hi David a number of people, including myself, have heard an improvement in sound quality by removing the old transformer. If you were using a metal platter mat, Oyaide or copper one the effect might be less but using the Funk Mat/platter or other non metal mat on the standard platter would, I feel, allow the old transformer to affect the sound, if left in place.


    Regards D S D L

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalek Supreme D L View Post
    Hi David a number of people, including myself, have heard an improvement in sound quality by removing the old transformer. If you were using a metal platter mat, Oyaide or copper one the effect might be less but using the Funk Mat/platter or other non metal mat on the standard platter would, I feel, allow the old transformer to affect the sound, if left in place.


    Regards D S D L
    Even if the transformer is no longer in use & bypassed? IE an external supply fitted

    Just asking.
    Bests, Mark



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    Quote Originally Posted by Reid Malenfant View Post
    Even if the transformer is no longer in use & bypassed? IE an external supply fitted

    Just asking.
    Yes Mark, that is indeed the case.

    I think that if one is using a metal platter mat, then that shields the cart from the transformers effect but if you are not then leaving it in has a subtle effects on the cartridge. Its not a massive one but enough of one I feel to warrant removing it from inside the deck.


    Regards D S D L

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    Interesting, cheers Neil
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reid Malenfant View Post
    Interesting, cheers Neil
    It may also be cart dependent too.

    Years ago I fitted a Grado cart to a mk1 Avid Diva and placing the motor where it was supposed to go resulted in a hum. Even switching the motor off resulted in a slight hum if you tuned the volume up full. Moving the motor to another possible position under the deck cured this but the very presence of the motor was an issue with the Grado's.

    I asked Conrad at the time as to why the motor was not shielded in some way and I never got a satisfactory answer, cost I guess + most carts are not effected. Here's the question though even if you can't hear an effect in an obvious way like pick up of hum/noise is the cart still effected but at a very low level and my gut feeling is yes, it is. I think this is the case with leaving the transformer in place; so even if there is no obvious issue there may well be a very low level one.

    As the transformer is no longer needed I would whip it out and put it away safely.


    Regards D S D L

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