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  1. #31
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    Don't give up yet, Hugo! I don't think that it's necessarily a cabinet size thing....

    Sounds like your Golds are a bit like mine were when I got them, before I upgraded the crossovers, which totally transformed them. There's no way I could've lived with them as standard, as they sounded rather 'tubby' and euphonically old-fashioned, so there's LOADS more to come yet!!

    I'd recommend using the circuit diagram I linked to earlier - I can advise on components if necessary.

    One other major sonic advantage I found, which can be done at the same time as a crossover upgrade, was removing the treble controls and hard-wiring the drive units directly in the 'flat' position, thereby doing away with not only the associated switches and extra contacts the audio signal has to navigate, but (in my experience) the sonically degrading plugs, connecting the crossovers to the drive units.

    You have to remove the gold back caps to get at the bits you need, in order to carry out this mod.

    Here's what my MGs look like, hard-wired with high quality VDH cable (CS-14 Hybrid):



    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

  2. #32
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    Hi Hugo, have you removed the panels that cover the ports? in my experience
    they Breathe better once this is done
    Paul

    Thorens TD 124, Thorens 12" Arm refurbished by Alfred, Shure M55, Denon 103r ,whest PS30R , Auditorium A23 Sony XA20 ES, Benchmark DAC 1 HDR, Elite Townsens 600c Pre,
    DPA Enlightenment DAC, , , Radford STA 25 Series 3, Aurex ST S80 , Tannoy Monitor Golds 15" Tannoy York Enclosures, TEAC DS H01, Isotek Substation, Abbey Road Reference Speaker Cables
    and some other stuff

  3. #33
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    Paul

    No, I haven't done anything yet, so I'll try that since it seems to be a matter of simply unscrewing the blanking panel covering the port. I want to take the drive units out for an inspection anyway.

    I've been looking at the various Monitor Gold web resources and a plan is coming together to make up some completely new crossovers, in order to leave the existing ones original and unmolested. I was pleased to see that Falcon Acoustics are very much still trading, and good quality inductors and capacitors need not cost the earth. Most of the crossover mods seem to retain the treble section transformer, but I see from Marco's picture that his bespoke crossovers have done away with it - if anyone can help with recommended component values for the treble section, I'd be grateful.

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    Hi Hugo,

    I didn't experiment with retaining the transformers, as when I heard the veritable 'night & day' difference between the bespoke crossovers I had made, compared to the original ones, I simply 'binned' the latter (returned them to Chris at Big Ears), transformers included.

    Therefore, there may be some mileage in retaining the transformers, and indeed possibly sonic advantages in doing so. Of course, the opposite could also be true - it's simply a matter of 'suck it and see'....

    Good luck, anyway! I shall follow your experiments with interest

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

  5. #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shuggie View Post
    Paul

    No, I haven't done anything yet, so I'll try that since it seems to be a matter of simply unscrewing the blanking panel covering the port. I want to take the drive units out for an inspection anyway.

    I've been looking at the various Monitor Gold web resources and a plan is coming together to make up some completely new crossovers, in order to leave the existing ones original and unmolested. I was pleased to see that Falcon Acoustics are very much still trading, and good quality inductors and capacitors need not cost the earth. Most of the crossover mods seem to retain the treble section transformer, but I see from Marco's picture that his bespoke crossovers have done away with it - if anyone can help with recommended component values for the treble section, I'd be grateful.
    Hello Shuggie,

    I would be very interested in your "experiments" as I might also decided to do some modifications if the difference is that big.
    I will follow this thread but I would be very grateful if you could inform me in a PM about anything you find out during your experiments.

    Thanks in advance!
    Vencel
    System

    Turntable: fully restored Sony PS-X9 with PUA-9 tonearm

    SUTs: Dynavector DV-6A, Nagatron, Cotter and 72Audio

    Cartridges: too many to list all... BARCO/EMT HSD6, ELAC EMC v.d.Hul (dual layer coil former), Onlife Research (Dynavector) OMC-22, Fidelity Research FR-1MK3F, Sony XL-55Pro

    Tape Deck: Denon DR-M44HX

    Reel to reel: Lyrec Frida mk1 and mk2

    Amps, Preamps, Power amps: Luxman L-570Z's, Luxkit A505, Elekit TU-8500, DIY Kondo M7, Sony TA-N7B, Audio Note kits EL84PP

    Cables: Auditorium A23 speaker cables, A23, Mogami and some DIY interconnects

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Warwick cabinets with modified crossovers

    Power: Accuphase PS-1200

  6. #36
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    Here are some pictures of the Monitor Gold drivers, which are in perfect nick:









    The bit of plywood blocking the aperiodic vent has been glued in place, so I cannot remove it, which is a shame. Similarly, the grille cloth cannot be removed without destroying it - I do reckon replacing it with something rather more acoustically transparent would be beneficial, but I'm not going to butcher the cabinets.

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    Hugo, the vent boards come off easily, just lever them off with a chisel or
    screwdriver, you wont be sorry
    Paul

    Thorens TD 124, Thorens 12" Arm refurbished by Alfred, Shure M55, Denon 103r ,whest PS30R , Auditorium A23 Sony XA20 ES, Benchmark DAC 1 HDR, Elite Townsens 600c Pre,
    DPA Enlightenment DAC, , , Radford STA 25 Series 3, Aurex ST S80 , Tannoy Monitor Golds 15" Tannoy York Enclosures, TEAC DS H01, Isotek Substation, Abbey Road Reference Speaker Cables
    and some other stuff

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    Nice speakers :-) I was shocked when I saw mine after getting them. I knew they are big but in reality they are bigger :-)

    I have to get a new went board because the original owner driller in them a hole for an additional tweeter. I don't know why, he must be some strange guy. He placed a Philips tweeter but did not connect it to the crossover. He connected it to the speaker terminals with a separate wire.

    May I ask how can anyone decide it the Golds have original cones or if they'd been reconed?

    Regards,
    Vencel
    System

    Turntable: fully restored Sony PS-X9 with PUA-9 tonearm

    SUTs: Dynavector DV-6A, Nagatron, Cotter and 72Audio

    Cartridges: too many to list all... BARCO/EMT HSD6, ELAC EMC v.d.Hul (dual layer coil former), Onlife Research (Dynavector) OMC-22, Fidelity Research FR-1MK3F, Sony XL-55Pro

    Tape Deck: Denon DR-M44HX

    Reel to reel: Lyrec Frida mk1 and mk2

    Amps, Preamps, Power amps: Luxman L-570Z's, Luxkit A505, Elekit TU-8500, DIY Kondo M7, Sony TA-N7B, Audio Note kits EL84PP

    Cables: Auditorium A23 speaker cables, A23, Mogami and some DIY interconnects

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Warwick cabinets with modified crossovers

    Power: Accuphase PS-1200

  9. #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by tannoy man View Post
    Hugo, the vent boards come off easily, just lever them off with a chisel or
    screwdriver, you wont be sorry
    I have removed the blanking boards, but they will be going straight back on! The bass is really soggy and bloated without them in place and the Lancasters are pretty much unlistenable in that state.

    For the last 2 days I've been listening to the Avalons and it's rather a shock to revisit the Tannoys whose top end is really rather splashy in comparison. I'm thinking that aged components in the crossover are probably to blame for the splashiness, since neither Marco's nor Tom's Tannoys can be described as splashy.

    I do wonder if there is too much damping in the Lancaster enclosure - the thick pillows of wool do take up quite a bit of cabinet volume, and I'm wondering if stiffening the cabinet with internal bracing and applying rather less overall damping would be beneficial. The Lancaster enclosure is probably just too small for 15" Monitor Golds, so liberating several litres of extra volume should be an improvement, methinks.

  10. #40
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    I have found that the Lancasters are not really good for the 15" golds. Apparently (and this is just what I've heard) the fitting of the 15" Golds to the Lancaster cabinets is what gave the Lancs a bad name. Tannoy then made the 12" Golds, fitted them in the Lancs and opened up the front as a reflex and bobs ya uncle, a wonderfully sounding speaker (I can vouch for this).

    So basically the 15 is too much of a bigger speaker for the Lancs cabs so they say.

    To brace up a Lancaster box I would have some granite cut and drilled, attach it to the bottom. Again a slab on the top. For the back I am struggling to think of what to do here because of the sheer size of the back board. No matter what you put here I think that it will still flex. Some more granite... YEAH! LOL...
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