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    Quote Originally Posted by electric beach View Post
    Just want to endorse Gazjam's enthusiasm for this mod and to thank you, Ed, for making the process available and for the simple instructions to apply it.

    The Sbooster makes a dramatic difference but much like the old X10D buffer, it seems to give with one hand and take with the other, so you have a different presentation that is not necessarily "better" overall but could still be preferred, depending on the rest of your system and personal flavour you prefer.

    This mod is fascinating in that you can adjust the settings to match your system, so I can see a lot more people being happy with the result. Being able to make the changes while listening is quite enlightening in terms of judging the effects and takes away the normal A/B comparison issues.

    I only applied it last night and I think you need to live with a given setting for a while to get an average, because it's easy to fine tune one album/ production then change to another and start tweaking again

    And the effect? Well, primarily think of it as a treble control or a sharpening tool in a photo manipulation program. It is possible to increase detail and leading edge definition to excess - beyond a balance with other frequencies or other considerations. Personally the greatest gain for me is the reduction in the graininess which the standard touch suffers from. The presentation is more refined and the soundstage cleaner (lower background noise?). I have some initial reservations about the effect on the bass but I need more time on this one. The increased inner detail highlights a musicians technique, the diction of a vocalist (Paulo Nutini sounded very Scottish and Melody Gardot had sticky lipgloss ) but I'm thinking this is at the expense of an holistic rightness; with Luis Salinas, before my attention seemed drawn to the tone of his solo acoustic guitar, the reverberation of the wooden body, the rattle of the obviously metal strings and the creaking of his leather guitar strap - all elements that were creating a quite solid illusion of a real person and a real instrument. Now I seem focused on the finger slides, the plectrum technique, the attack and decay of each note.

    Now if I can just find that magic number that balances the two.....

    Unreservedly recommended as worth the little time and effort to experiment.
    that "magic balance" you speak about seems to have been worked out by John Swenson over on the squeezebox forums - at least with his system/ears.

    He's took the mods one step further and tweaked additional system processes as well as SPDIF.
    When john suggests an impovement, I make a point to check it.
    Have a play with his settings, see what you think?

    http://forums.slimdevices.com/showth...t=89359&page=9

    I feel these mods are system dependant and subject to the usual "one mans meat.." caveat, but the mods DO work.
    Been on my hols, not home till Monday, will be having a go with them myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazjam View Post
    that "magic balance" you speak about seems to have been worked out by John Swenson over on the squeezebox forums - at least with his system/ears.

    He's took the mods one step further and tweaked additional system processes as well as SPDIF.
    When john suggests an impovement, I make a point to check it.
    Have a play with his settings, see what you think?

    http://forums.slimdevices.com/showth...t=89359&page=9

    I feel these mods are system dependant and subject to the usual "one mans meat.." caveat, but the mods DO work.
    Been on my hols, not home till Monday, will be having a go with them myself.

    G.
    I must be going deaf, because I played with spdif values (as well as with jive_alsa values) yesterday, and I could not, for the life of me, detect much (if any) difference. Regardless of whether I set it to 59, or to 41, or to any other value in between, everything continued to sound gorgeous. There were no detectable, audible differences.

    Am I going bonkers? Just for a lark, I reverted everything back to the way it was before I've applied dynaudio's mods, and sure enough, that extra high-end gorgeousness in sound was gone. Apply the mods again, and I'm back in business So while I'm capable of hearing the benefits of dynaudio's mods, I'm still a dullard when it comes to fine tuning these mods.

    Any suggestions? What am I missing here?
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    Alex, your systems maybe shit?

    The main thing is to get Jive_Alsa to a higher priority than the SPDIF process, which John Swenson suggested as a new twist on the mods.

    Previously, the tweaked SPDIF value as it approached the initially recommended 59 became quite "etched" in a lot of folks systems.
    John Swensons suggestion of raising Jive_Alsa process to 59 keeps the increased clarity from before, but without the edginess the higher up you went.
    In my own system (and ears!) the sweet spot is spdif at 48.
    Its system dependant though, so try diffrent values as you are doing.
    The audible difference in values between the low 40's (40 is the default=no higher priority) and the high 50's is quite obvious in my system, and its my ears and tastes (I guess) that picks the best value for me.

    As I said before, these mods work and the changes can be heard, even without a pair of Maggie's like yours Alex!

    Anyways, I'm off to swap out some whistling Murata's from my Dac...wish me luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazjam View Post
    Alex, your systems maybe shit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazjam View Post
    Alex, your systems maybe shit?
    Sadly, I'm coming to the same conclusion. There are so many people reporting very audible differences, and yet my shitty system cannot reveal any. Oh well, time to get out of this shitty hobby anyway... Fucking rat race! Perhaps my money would be better spent on the hungry mouths in Somalia?
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    Quote Originally Posted by magiccarpetride View Post
    Sadly, I'm coming to the same conclusion. There are so many people reporting very audible differences, and yet my shitty system cannot reveal any. Oh well, time to get out of this shitty hobby anyway... Fucking rat race! Perhaps my money would be better spent on the hungry mouths in Somalia?
    Well, the changes are not THAT big, and without any possibility to swap between the two configurations, you have only the long-time hearing memory to help you...

    Perhaps your system is not guilty, after all.
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    What's your dac? Assuming you run your Touch through one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themis View Post
    Well, the changes are not THAT big, and without any possibility to swap between the two configurations, you have only the long-time hearing memory to help you...

    Perhaps your system is not guilty, after all.
    No, the thing is that I'm sitting in front of my stereo and changing the spdif values in REAL TIME, on the spot! I have my laptop resting on me lap, I'm logged into my Touch via ssh, and I'm playing with the "chrt -f -p 51 367" command. I'm basically changing the next to the last value, say from 40 all the way up to 59. Every time I change it and press Return key, the change takes effect and the FIFO priorities on the Touch change. The wisdom of the crowds insists that as you go higher, the sound should become more etched, more 'trebly', and vice versa. By going down close to 40, the sound should become softer, rounder, with warmer bass.

    But the thing is, no matter what values I plug in, it all sounds the same to me. So if I can't hear any differences immediately, what are the odds I'll be hearing them eventually?

    I think I may be too old for this shit anyway...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali Tait View Post
    What's your dac? Assuming you run your Touch through one.
    How would spdif changes affect the sound if one is not using the spdif outs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by magiccarpetride View Post
    No, the thing is that I'm sitting in front of my stereo and changing the spdif values in REAL TIME, on the spot! I have my laptop resting on me lap, I'm logged into my Touch via ssh, and I'm playing with the "chrt -f -p 51 367" command. I'm basically changing the next to the last value, say from 40 all the way up to 59. Every time I change it and press Return key, the change takes effect and the FIFO priorities on the Touch change. The wisdom of the crowds insists that as you go higher, the sound should become more etched, more 'trebly', and vice versa. By going down close to 40, the sound should become softer, rounder, with warmer bass.

    But the thing is, no matter what values I plug in, it all sounds the same to me. So if I can't hear any differences immediately, what are the odds I'll be hearing them eventually?

    I think I may be too old for this shit anyway...
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