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    come on chaps ...thought you'd at least have the wit to accept what the original poster experienced.

    To just say can't happen its impossible or just take the proverbial ..shows a distinct lack of open mindedness with great dolops of ignorance ...

    I'm not going to say I've heard similar ..because I haven't but I can appreciate that there are some damn strange things out there.

    to those who say it can't effect the sound ..prove it !

    For those that have tried it ....just because it did not work for you does not mean that there is no effect , it just means you were unable to hear it ...nothing more [I fall into this catagory]

    for those who have had an effect from this sort of thing ..well done for being open minded enough to try it !

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanash View Post
    come on chaps ...thought you'd at least have the wit to accept what the original poster experienced.

    To just say can't happen its impossible or just take the proverbial ..shows a distinct lack of open mindedness with great dolops of ignorance ...

    I'm not going to say I've heard similar ..because I haven't but I can appreciate that there are some damn strange things out there.

    to those who say it can't effect the sound ..prove it !

    For those that have tried it ....just because it did not work for you does not mean that there is no effect , it just means you were unable to hear it ...nothing more [I fall into this catagory]

    for those who have had an effect from this sort of thing ..well done for being open minded enough to try it !
    No-one has said that crystals used in this way can't affect the sound.
    In fact I actually agreed with the OP over a possible scenario hypothesis that he came up with (a point lost on the OP, I must add).

    So please read things carefully before you accuse people of being ignorant.
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    I read 'crystals' and considering I was staring at a Geode whilst reading the post, the first image that came into my head was the one I posted. I thought it was very funny, but I don't think the OP saw it that way. I guess not everyone has my sense of humour, but hey ho...

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    I've seen photos where people had glues rose quartz crystals inside their amps for supposed benefits. It looks like madness to me but I don't like to completely discount things as nonsense until I've tried them so who knows, maybe this works.

    For people that don't know, a piezoelectric crystal is a crystal that when physically "excited" (hit with something) produces a voltages. Or when a voltage is applied to them they vibrate. They are used in various applications from cigarette lighters to cooling/heating plates.

    So it appears to me that if these rose quartz crystals are effecting the audio signals though a piezoelectric effect, then it should either be that the presence of a nearby electrical signal is causing the crystal to vibrate, or the presence of vibrations in the room/system are causing the crystal to produce a voltage. The latter seems very unlikely to me as I don't think the vibrations in the room would be strong enough to cause this effect but I'm no expert so who knows.

    If the effect is being caused by a piezoelectric effect then it would seem logical that the same effect or an even more pronounced one could be gained from the application of some proper piezoelectric crystals like those found in piezoelectric transducers, peltier coolers or in some fag lighters.

    I personally don't have time to strap fag lighters to my hi-fi so I'll leave that to someone else.

    Joking aside, that's about all I can hypothesise on the subject but I'd be interested to hear other peoples thoughts or experiences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratmangler View Post
    No-one has said that crystals used in this way can't affect the sound.
    In fact I actually agreed with the OP over a possible scenario hypothesis that he came up with (a point lost on the OP, I must add).

    So please read things carefully before you accuse people of being ignorant.
    I think he mistook our joviality as more than what it was, just a bit of AoS fun which I am sure Alex (OP) took in the spirit it was intended.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatGig View Post
    . . . what's a Vulva Uncle Alex?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulva
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    Quote Originally Posted by HighFidelityGuy View Post
    I've seen photos where people had glues rose quartz crystals inside their amps for supposed benefits. It looks like madness to me...
    If we care for the safety of our children, if we at all care for our jobs and for our country, we ought to coral these individuals who glue rose quartz crystals inside their amps and drag them to the court of law. They need a fair trial, to be found guilty as charged, and to be sentenced under the current law, as a telling example of what awaits those who dare do silly things such as these.

    Failing to do that would mean that the terrorists have already won.
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    I can reliably report that has been the unwitting victim of a brutal murder on this thread

    Adios amigos

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    Did I hear someone mention vulva? Now that reminds me of a terrible draught I once experienced.......



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    Quote Originally Posted by synsei View Post
    I read your post with interest Alex and it set me thinking...

    I hope you don't mind but I took your idea one step further and it was so successful I'm thinking of patenting the result...

    PREPARE TO BE AMAZED BY...


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    Brilliant :¬)

    Crystals do have some very interesting (and provable) properties. Can this effect audio clarity?

    No idea, but I'm open to the possibility.

    The fact you're not even 'physically' sitting at your PC, reading this right now, is enough to keep my mind open to anything :¬)

    Edit: LOL @ vulva antics!
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