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    Hi Guys,

    your advice please .........

    I only stream music from my computer an currently using a Standard Squeezebox 3/classic.

    And as ever looking for improvements.

    Should I upgrade to a Touch ????

    I currently use Squeezebox3 (Digital Out) via Mark Grant (Belden) digital Coax to a Beresford 7520 DAC via DNM Reson phono interconnects to a Quantum 102/207DA into Mission 753F speakers.
    I know; very old gear that probably all needs upgrading; but it don't sound half bad. In fact better than a relatively newish well known brand that I wont mention at this time cos it's goin on Ebay.

    Other than the fact that the Touch can deal with 24/96 files; which is something the 3 won't do, would I find any improvement in sound quality. If you have made a similar move please tell me your findings.

    Also if there is a better options please advise.

    Regards
    Tony

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    Hi Tony

    Depending on your computer and how you have it set up, the Touch may be a sonic upgrade if you plan on hi res files. At redbook standard, depending on your OS, a well set up laptop for example will perform on par with the Touch imo.
    As I understand it there are upgrades to Stans 7520 Dac and it must be worth getting in touch with Stan as he’s extremely helpful and seeing what can be done there.
    I do have a few mods done to my Quantum kit that have made some improvements but they require soldering skills and a willingness to make the units probably un-sellable if you decide to move them on.
    Single spur balanced Mains. Self built music server with 3 seperate linear PSU, Intel i5, 16 GB RAM no hard drive (various Linux OS). Benchmark Dac2 HGC, single ended XLR interconnects/Belkin cable. Exposure 21RC Pre, Super 18 Power (recap & modified). Modded World Audio HD83 HP amp. Hand built Monitors with external crossovers , Volt 250 bass & ABR, Scanspeak 13M8621 Mid & Scanspeak D2905/9300 Hi. HD595 & Beyer 880 (600 ohm) cans.

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    John.

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    Hi John

    I'd really interested in your Quantum mods. I've had the top off recently with a view to changing caps on PS. Unfortunately I can't entirely see what they are.
    Not totally convinced they're original either.Perhaps if I sent a picture you could advise.

    Beresford is fitted with 4562 and the ML5/6 mod has been done.
    Looking initially at the best source. Maybe the Duet is an option !

    Regards
    Tony

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    The PSU caps are 4700uF 63Volt at standard.
    Replacing these is a good idea and when my internet stops pissing about I’ll link up to what I bought to replace them
    Other things to look at; new volume pot, bypass the balance, hard wire a number of switches involved in bi amp set up, remove the DIN sockets and replace with XLR.
    Hard wire the AUX and TAPE selection sensitivity options.
    Just a few suggestions.
    Single spur balanced Mains. Self built music server with 3 seperate linear PSU, Intel i5, 16 GB RAM no hard drive (various Linux OS). Benchmark Dac2 HGC, single ended XLR interconnects/Belkin cable. Exposure 21RC Pre, Super 18 Power (recap & modified). Modded World Audio HD83 HP amp. Hand built Monitors with external crossovers , Volt 250 bass & ABR, Scanspeak 13M8621 Mid & Scanspeak D2905/9300 Hi. HD595 & Beyer 880 (600 ohm) cans.

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    The passive mod is well worth doing to the Beresford IMHO.

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    Hi Guys,
    Thanks for the info; keep it coming.

    John, heres a photo of my 207. Are these the original caps ? All I can make out without taking them out is L something R in large letters; the word RED, and the characters cw on them.



    Regards
    Tony
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleTone View Post
    Hi Guys,

    your advice please .........

    I only stream music from my computer an currently using a Standard Squeezebox 3/classic.

    And as ever looking for improvements.

    Should I upgrade to a Touch ????

    I currently use Squeezebox3 (Digital Out) via Mark Grant (Belden) digital Coax to a Beresford 7520 DAC via DNM Reson phono interconnects to a Quantum 102/207DA into Mission 753F speakers.
    I know; very old gear that probably all needs upgrading; but it don't sound half bad. In fact better than a relatively newish well known brand that I wont mention at this time cos it's goin on Ebay.

    Other than the fact that the Touch can deal with 24/96 files; which is something the 3 won't do, would I find any improvement in sound quality. If you have made a similar move please tell me your findings.

    Also if there is a better options please advise.

    Regards
    Tony
    Hi Tony,

    I've got some 753s, and an SB3 too...along with a couple of SB receivers

    I recently added some maplins linear power supplies to my receivers to great effect (9V for £13) a big improvement, but I can't find any at 5V to match the SB3 (or Touch for that matter)...if anyone knows of a reasonably cheap option out there please give me a shout.

    I've also replaced my 753 drivers with these to great effect...

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B...ef=oss_product

    ...they really tighten up the bass, much more 'punchy', originally I put them in to replace a blown driver, and was so impressed I did all 8. I've seen them cheaper elsewhere.

    It's given mine a new lease of life
    Cheers, Will

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    Hi Will

    Thanks for the input. Interesting drivers; I've only ever had to replace one unit and that came from Mission. Are these good at midrange too ? are they the same as the Mission ones ?
    I also can't find a PSU upgrade anywhere without spending a fortune.
    Anybody know otherwise; please advise.

    Regards
    Tony

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleTone View Post
    Hi Will

    Thanks for the input. Interesting drivers; I've only ever had to replace one unit and that came from Mission. Are these good at midrange too ? are they the same as the Mission ones ?
    I also can't find a PSU upgrade anywhere without spending a fortune.
    Anybody know otherwise; please advise.

    Regards
    Tony
    Hi Tony,

    The advice for the drivers came from 'Wilmslow Audio' (they have a web site) they're speaker specialists from nearby, they've been recommending that driver as a replacement for the 753s, and the 780SEs, however they charge a bit more, about £35 per driver, I've seen them for £28 elsewhere.

    They fit perfectly same bolt holes etc.

    The drivers on the 753's are all the same, the bottom 2 are in a bass reflex config, the top 2 are sealed, so they are bass/mid drivers

    I've replaced all of mine, 8 in the 753s, and another 6 for my 780s around the house, the driver is polypropylene with a carbon finish. So they are different to the missions, but do sound better IMHO Much faster, and punchier.

    R.E. The PSU, it's a nightmare, I got 2 variable voltage linear PSU's from maplins for my Receivers, they require 9V, and what an improvement, there's another thread where I suggested it to a fellow receiver user last week and he was similarly impressed. But they don't go to 5V only 4.5V (product code VN10L £18.99), although the maplins web site states 5V (unless they've changed the spec)!!!!

    So they don't work for the SB3 or the Touch, hence people asking silly money for a 5V supply.
    Last edited by WAD62; 16-03-2011 at 17:36.
    Cheers, Will

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    Thanks for that Will,

    The speaker units is an interesting idea.
    Do you think it would be alright to perhaps just do the Bass end first i.e. 4 units ? Would this completely unbalance them.
    How about the existing crossovers; the fact you haven't mentioned it I guess they don't need any attention.

    Regards
    Tony

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