Mike New platter, Oyaide MJ-12 mat & STB-MS stabiliser arrive at Marco Towers...

[chris@panteg]

Lol now that could work

i must apologise to everyone for lowering the tone , i hate myself sometimes

[Marco]

Yesh, you're a very bad boy - you never ever see me do things like that!

Marco.

[Spectral Morn]

Guys

Ummmmm any substance like vaseline etc will surely migrate across the surface of the platter (to the outside edges maybe ?) and into the electronics, through the holes ?

Spray mount might be an idea but applying it without getting it everywhere will require using masking tape to protect the parts you don't want it on....unless you spray the bottom of the mat. All a bit messy for my liking.

Marco have you tried your Herbies mat below the Oyaide or Copper mat instead of above ?


Regards D S D L

[Clive]

Spray mount might be an idea but applying it without getting it everywhere will require using masking tape to protect the parts you don't want it on....unless you spray the bottom of the mat. All a bit messy for my liking.
Regards D S D L

Spray mount is easy, I did indeed simply spray the back of the Achromat (for me 301), it degrades over time and is easy to shift. If double sided tape is used it's a pain to remove from the mat, it adhere's very well....

[Ammonite Audio]

I have tried spray mount and found it not so easy to remove from the underside of an Achromat. It is clear that the Achromat works far better when stuck to the platter - the same also applies to the SRM acrylic mat that I use on the Kenwood.

[Marco]

The SRM mat may be another option, Shuggie - thanks for reminding me of it

Neil,

Yes I've tried the Herbie's on top, but it adds a bit too much of its own signature, and thus to a degree dilutes the effectiveness of the bonded copper mat. I need something more sonically neutral to perform the job of the 'top mat'.

Also, my Herbie's mat is cut for the size of the Techie platter, which of course is too small now for the MN one.....

I've found an old thin version of the Techie rubber mat, which originally came with my deck from KAB in the US, and plan to try that later to see what happens - you never know!

I'll report back with the results

Marco.

[MartinT]

That reminds me, Marco, my Herbies is a standard 297mm diameter, 3.7mm thickness, rather than the smaller one for the Technics platter.

[Marco]

Yep, mate, I remember you ordered a standard sized one when you got your MN platter

Marco.

[Spectral Morn]

The SRM mat may be another option, Shuggie - thanks for reminding me of it

Neil,

Yes I've tried the Herbie's on top, but it adds a bit too much of its own signature, and thus to a degree dilutes the effectiveness of the bonded copper mat. I need something more sonically neutral to perform the job of the 'top mat'.

Also, my Herbie's mat is cut for the size of the Techie platter, which of course is too small now for the MN one.....

I've found an old thin version of the Techie rubber mat, which originally came with my deck from KAB in the US, and plan to try that later to see what happens - you never know!

I'll report back with the results

Marco.

Try it as the interface between the platter and the mat above be it copper, Oyaide or what ever. Its sticky therefore will hold in place whatever you put above/on it....that's what I was suggesting. Damping and grip.

Regards D S D L

[Marco]

Hi Neil,

I'm with you, and will give it a try, but I'd rather not use any more than one (very thin mat) on top of the bonded copper mat/plate of the MN platter, as I suspect that's the best way to go

Well..... I tried putting the thin rubber mat, which originally came with my Techie, on top of my MN platter - and then results were............very good!

First of all, there's something I have to mention about the bonded copper mat version of the MN platter that before now I hadn't realised or considered, and it's that Mike has obviously designed it to be used with some sort of mat on top, as unlike the Rubato copper mat, there is no centre recess for the record label...!

Therefore, this results in records not sitting flat against the surface of the copper mat/plate of the platter, which of course is far from ideal. I was wondering why some of my records that I thought were pretty flat seemed a little warped!!

Thing is, despite that, things sounded so bloody good, and until now I hadn't really given much thought to the lack of any centre recess cut into the copper plate/mat of my MN platter...

So, anyway, when the thin Techie rubber mat is used (which has a label recess), it therefore allows the record to sit flat on the platter, which of course makes a big difference - and I can clearly hear the sonic benefits of this (less noise, greater detail and clarity).

What I don't know is whether the rubber mat is removing any effect of 'chatter' between the record and the metal surface of the MN platter, and I doubt I'll ever find that out unless I can somehow get a label recess cut on the copper plate/mat of my MN platter and compare the difference between using it with another mat or not.

However, what I can say for sure is that anyone buying a Copper Composite platter from Mike will have to factor in the use of a thin mat to put on top, to allow the record to sit properly flat, unless Mike decides to incorporate a recess for the record label into his future platter designs.

The question is now, which mat is best for this purpose? Well, the thin rubber Techie one which came free with my T/T, is giving very good results, so we'll see if the Blue Horizon mat David's sending me does a better job, or perhaps the Origin Live......

Anyway, it's all interesting stuff, and of course I'll continue to keep everyone informed of my progress!

Marco.