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  1. #51
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    I think we have to define "significant" and "expectation bias" here Marco. I've been there, remember.
    And I haven't?

    When I had a P5 a few years back (before I got into Techies) I sent the RB700 arm to J7 to have it Cardas-rewired and stripped and polished, a la RB1000, and when it came back it was a totally different beast, visually and sonically, and it had f*ck all to do with "expectation bias", I can tell you....!!

    For me at any rate, setting up an RB300 on a Spacedeck was a revelation, the sound appearing to "free off" in a way that this arm on a Linn or Planar 3 never really achieved. An RB300 on a LPT and an SME V on a Pink Triangle Anniversary was sort of similar as well. Once heard, never forgotten and I can assure you this transformation is an order of magnitude above re-wiring. Different experiences and different feelings of "significant" I suppose
    Indeed, but it's a case of dotting ALL the I's and crossing ALL the T's, and realising that in order to achieve the best sound EVERYTHING makes a difference, and thus it all must be taken into consideration, not just simply targeting the procedures that pacify our belief sets.........

    Unquestionably, in my experience, rewiring Rega tonearms with high-quality cable transforms their performance - and significantly for the better, too!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

  2. #52
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    Then why does a company who created such a great range of products not do it? Surely it's not because of their blinkered minds?
    I can't go on and I can't go back, I don't feel so matter of fact,
    I tried and tried to make good sense, What's the good to try it all again?

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    I've no idea, mate (I can't read other people's minds) - all I know is it makes a bloody big difference to how their arms sound!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

  4. #54
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    Is that 'different' 'better'! or just ''different''. Another thing the cartridge mounting arrangement on a stock Rega is far from ideal and the tags break all too easily. The new Funk arm I see has at least tried to address this. The last Rega arm I owned was an RB700 but I just could not get on with it.

    John
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    SME Model 15/V tonearm, Sumiko Starling, Dynavector P75IV.

    Luxman 509X amp.

    PMC 25 23i speakers.

    Innuos/Roon/Qobuz/I-Pad. Oppo UDP-205.

    Cables by Kimber, Yannis and Audioquest.

    Audioquest Niagara. Tube Distinctions Mains power filter. Project RCM. Zerostat.


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    Hi John,

    Is that 'different' 'better'! or just ''different''.
    It's 'different' in terms of 'oh, bloody hell, I never realised there was a bass guitar on that track before', and 'different' in terms of 'oh, bloody hell, there's a real drum kit there, rather than a Fisher Price one' - and 'different' in terms of you'd need to be bloody deaf not to hear the freakin' difference, type difference, if you see what I mean!!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

  6. #56
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    Quote Originally Posted by prestonchipfryer View Post
    Is that 'different' 'better'! or just ''different''. Another thing the cartridge mounting arrangement on a stock Rega is far from ideal and the tags break all too easily. The new Funk arm I see has at least tried to address this. The last Rega arm I owned was an RB700 but I just could not get on with it.

    John
    Cartridge mounting on a stock Rega arm is fine if the nuts are on top and you use the small Allen key provided. The tags don't break if you use them properly I've set up loads, mostly in front of the clients who'd just bought them.

    I'll have to email the Rega Rep to get his views, to see if the party line on re-wiring has changed. I'll admit, a good few years ago, the only person properly trained *by Rega* to dismantle and service Rega tonearms was Mike Harris from Moth Marketing. He alone at the time had the tooling and jigs to be able to properly dismantle and re-build RB series tonearms outside of Rega themselves. This may have changed now though..
    I can't go on and I can't go back, I don't feel so matter of fact,
    I tried and tried to make good sense, What's the good to try it all again?

  7. #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by DSJR View Post
    Cartridge mounting on a stock Rega arm is fine if the nuts are on top and you use the small Allen key provided. The tags don't break if you use them properly I've set up loads, mostly in front of the clients who'd just bought them.
    Yes probably me being hamfisted and short-sighted maybe.
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    SME Model 15/V tonearm, Sumiko Starling, Dynavector P75IV.

    Luxman 509X amp.

    PMC 25 23i speakers.

    Innuos/Roon/Qobuz/I-Pad. Oppo UDP-205.

    Cables by Kimber, Yannis and Audioquest.

    Audioquest Niagara. Tube Distinctions Mains power filter. Project RCM. Zerostat.


  8. #58
    Join Date: Aug 2009

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    Default Marco's review - what he said!

    Spoke to Arthur yesterday evening and placed my order - my mat arrived today - pretty impressive

    I won't event attempt to make Jimmy Hughes type comments just to say on first hearing I echo everything Marco said in his review. This is way better than the Herbies Way Excellent I was using.

    I also listened to the Achromat with my Origin Live flexible upgrade mat on top and it made things worse - dulled the bass and transients so definitely better just on it's own in my system.

    Thanks for the tip Marco and thanks to Arthur for such a stunning service.

    Steve

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    You're very welcome, Stephen.

    This is for me what makes it all worthwhile - when I recommend something I think is good, someone else tries it and uses their own own ears to judge, and it results in their increased listening pleasure. Wonderful!

    It's NOT like some deluded and cynical people elsewhere think, and all this is simply 'egotistical Marco' shouting from the rooftops about how wonderful his system is (or the components it consists of)!!

    What's an audio forum for if you can't be passionate about what you believe in, and thus try and give others the benefits of your experience??

    Anyway, I digress.... Stephen, I'm glad you like the Achromat - it's a great bit of kit, designed by someone who knows exactly what he's doing

    Who's next to try one, then?

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Marco - I should receive my PH SR5-21 power supply soon. I'm going to let that settle in first, but I must admit I'm intrigued and may order an Achromat just for the punt. One question: since I don't have a lip I guess I can order the standard one, or are there any other differences?

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