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    So Teslas can only use dedicated chargers?

    Another reason why I wouldn't buy one, or anything else from Elon Musk.
    Barry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    So Teslas can only use dedicated chargers?

    Another reason why I wouldn't buy one, or anything else from Elon Musk.
    i think you can get adaptor to use other chargers
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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    i think you can get adaptor to use other chargers
    Why can things never be simple? Why not make chargers universal? Are Tesla not worried about becoming the Betamax of EVs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pigmy Pony View Post
    Why can things never be simple? Why not make chargers universal? Are Tesla not worried about becoming the Betamax of EVs?
    At least you can get one if you need it. Most will be happy with Tesla's super charging system which imo is much better than their cars
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    “Nothing discloses real character like the use of power. It is easy for the weak to be gentle. Most people can bear adversity. But if you wish to know what a man really is, give him power. This is the supreme test. It is the glory of Lincoln that, having almost absolute power, he never abused it, except on the side of mercy".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pigmy Pony View Post
    Why can things never be simple? Why not make chargers universal? Are Tesla not worried about becoming the Betamax of EVs?
    Maybe, but Betamax was superior to VHS, whereas if was interested in an EV (and I'm not) I would choose a Polestar anyday over a Tesla.
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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    i think you can get adaptor to use other chargers
    You can, we have lots of Teslas charging at work and the power points aren't Tesla's own.

    It's non-Teslas using Tesla chargers that doesn't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    You can, we have lots of Teslas charging at work and the power points aren't Tesla's own.

    It's non-Teslas using Tesla chargers that doesn't work.
    some do.. the v2 charger works with some cars apparently. v3 tesla are a bad mix tho
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    Oh my god! There's nothing wrong with the bidet is there?

    “Nothing discloses real character like the use of power. It is easy for the weak to be gentle. Most people can bear adversity. But if you wish to know what a man really is, give him power. This is the supreme test. It is the glory of Lincoln that, having almost absolute power, he never abused it, except on the side of mercy".

    “You see these dictators on their pedestals, surrounded by the bayonets of their soldiers and the truncheons of their police ... yet in their hearts there is unspoken fear. They are afraid of words and thoughts: words spoken abroad, thoughts stirring at home -- all the more powerful because forbidden -- terrify them. A little mouse of thought appears in the room, and even the mightiest potentates are thrown into panic.”

    "You don't have free will. You have the appearance of free will.”

    “There's a war out there, old friend. A world war. And it's not about who's got the most bullets. It's about who controls the information. What we see and hear, how we work, what we think... it's all about the information!”


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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    some do.. the v2 charger works with some cars apparently. v3 tesla are a bad mix tho
    They are compatible but I read that they use software to make them incompatible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Maybe, but Betamax was superior to VHS, whereas if was interested in an EV (and I'm not) I would choose a Polestar anyday over a Tesla.
    Me too. They look solid, chunky and purposeful. With hopefully some of the Volvoness I've come to know and love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    So Teslas can only use dedicated chargers?

    Another reason why I wouldn't buy one, or anything else from Elon Musk.
    No - that's not true. There are however several issues.

    First, the Tesla Superchargers are generally way faster than any other chargers. It may be possible to go from 30% to 80% charge in 20 or so minutes at a Supercharger. In contrast, at chargers like some of the Chargeplace Scotland chargers a similar period of time just about adds enough charge to go 5 miles or so - if you're lucky.

    There's nothing wrong with slow charging if you're not going anywhere long distance, and the prices of slow chargers are typically a bit lower - maybe 16-25p per kWh, versus 35-60p at a fast charger. Many of us do charge at home with rates of between 7p-20p per kWh - but that works overnight or in the daytime when the sun is out.

    So Teslas can charge up at non Tesla chargers - but it may take so long it's hardly worth the bother.

    Conversely non Teslas can charge up at some Tesla chargers, but there the catch is that there may be an extra charge per kWh for using a non Tesla car. Not all Tesla chargers will allow other cars.

    What about other charging networks? Trouble with those is there are so many, and they are diverse, and require different Apps and means of payment etc. I believe things are getting very slightly better - but one doesn't normally find out until actually trying to use any of these. That's usually exactly the time when you "just want the ***** thing to work", and quite often there are arcane reasons why these don't.
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