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    Quote Originally Posted by hifi_dave View Post
    The ones on the right look like Peerless or Audax.
    No the ones on the right are also Celestion tweeters..I'm sure it's 'HD-1000' as used in the '33'!
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    Well, if the '33' are good, I suppose that's a bonus!

    Dave, do you know anything about the respective mid and bass units on both models of Ditton, specifically if the ones on the XRs were considered as an upgrade?

    I'd have thought they were from your era, mate!

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    Marco:
    I know your eagar to know but only a obsessed nutter will know.. i think it's probably more to do with costing than anything if not a whole new Crossover/unit design to accomidate the new tweeter......The '33' has a nice 10'' bass unit which sound suprisingly tight, the '22' is simular looking but smaller speaker..

    I'm actually considering buying a pair of '33' i have for sometime as i really liked em. Some folk don't like the Tweeters in these they think they are sizzly, i never had a prob with that cos i never use bright sounding amps most probably..

    Dave: i don't remember Celestion ever using someone elses tweeters in the hifi range back then!

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    I know your eagar to know but only a obsessed nutter will know..
    ...which is why I asked DSJR

    Dave: i don't remember Celestion ever using someone elses tweeters in the hifi range back then!
    Good point; I suspect you're right, and also about the 15XRs sharing the same tweeter as the 33s. Looking at their respective tweeters side-by-side, I agree there is a significant resemblence.........


    Tweeter on the 15XRs:


    Tweeter on the 33s:



    Marco.
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    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    ...which is why I asked DSJR



    Looking at their respective tweeters side-by-side, I agree there is a significant resemblence.........

    As is

    The Ditton '11'/'15XR'/'22'/'33'/'UL6'/'UL-8' etc...

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    I dunno... I've been doing some *work* today (five hours no less...).......

    Right. it was my understanding that the Ditton 15XR had the HF1300's in 'em. It's so long ago and I'm sorry to say they sounded a bit horrid by this time, so I never bothered to lift the grilles off to see what was inside - sorry. When I've finished the school run I'll look up me HiFi Choice book and see what tweeters their review ones had..

    Marco, the tweeters in yours look to be the same as the ones in the "UL" series which came out at the same time. this has a wider bandwidth than the HF1300, which needs a high crossover point plus a "super-tweeter" to aid it above 14KHz. By the way, the BBC derived models with HF1300's had a version with a much larger magnet and 16 Ohm loading IIRC. These performed with rather more control apparently - there was a thread last year on the Yahoo Spendor group describing them.

    Seriously Marco, (the Ditton 25's were pants but) the 33 and 44 would be marvellous for the garden (12" bass driver in the 44) as they go loud, are efficient IIRC and sound very good if got off the floor (most of these were plonked on the carpet with the inevitable results)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamish View Post
    I been using my b&o system for the garden but have also been looking for something a bit better...one of the tweeters is died in one of the b&o's speakers

    Hamish:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Well, if the '33' are good, I suppose that's a bonus!

    Dave, do you know anything about the respective mid and bass units on both models of Ditton, specifically if the ones on the XRs were considered as an upgrade?

    I'd have thought they were from your era, mate!

    Marco.
    Sorry, I don't know much about them, I was more interested in the less commercial designs like Celef, Keesonic, Chartwell, Spendor, WAR, RAM, JBL etc. I did own a pair of Ditton 10's though - they had the HF1300.

    I do know that the HF1300 was an expensive unit to make and it would make sense for a commercial company to use an Audax or Peerless as, back then, a good HF would cost a fiver or so from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hifi_dave View Post
    Sorry, I don't know much about them, I was more interested in the less commercial designs like Celef, Keesonic, Chartwell, Spendor, WAR, RAM, JBL etc. I did own a pair of Ditton 10's though - they had the HF1300.

    I do know that the HF1300 was an expensive unit to make and it would make sense for a commercial company to use an Audax or Peerless as, back then, a good HF would cost a fiver or so from them.
    Yes Celestion 10 did have a 'HF1300' as did the old C: 'County'

    Agreed it would be a good idea to buy in tweeters but it's also easier to make a crossover to their own design unit..I can assure you they were Celestion tweeters.

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    Hi Dave,

    I dunno... I've been doing some *work* today (five hours no less...).......
    Work? How dare you - this is far more important!

    Right. it was my understanding that the Ditton 15XR had the HF1300's in 'em. It's so long ago and I'm sorry to say they sounded a bit horrid by this time, so I never bothered to lift the grilles off to see what was inside - sorry. When I've finished the school run I'll look up me HiFi Choice book and see what tweeters their review ones had..
    Cheers, please do.

    I'd be very surprised though if the XRs sound horrid on the end of good kit. In my view, some of the speakers from that era sounded that way more likely because of the quality of some of the partnering equipment, bell-wire used as speaker cable (and just as poor quality interconnects), lack of proper stands, and designs possibly using not the best of crossover components......

    I expect them to shine when nearly all of those variables are removed from the equation. The crossovers will be suitably modified in due course.

    Marco, the tweeters in yours look to be the same as the ones in the "UL" series which came out at the same time. this has a wider bandwidth than the HF1300, which needs a high crossover point plus a "super-tweeter" to aid it above 14KHz.
    Interesting. That's what I suspected and was hoping for. Since the inclusion of a Coles unit to partner with a HF1300 isn't an option, the current driver compliment used on the XRs will do nicely.

    Seriously Marco, (the Ditton 25's were pants but) the 33 and 44 would be marvellous for the garden (12" bass driver in the 44) as they go loud, are efficient IIRC and sound very good if got off the floor (most of these were plonked on the carpet with the inevitable results)
    No doubt you're right, but I was sold on the remarkable 'showroom' condition of the 15XRs, and also the fact that they're the right size. Eventually these will be living in our lounge (fed from my system upstairs), so even I must respect domestic harmony in this instance, and the XRs will fit in just fine.

    I'm already picturing sitting back during the winter months listening to great music whilst sipping a glass or three of St Émilion in front of the inglenook log fire we've just opened up in our lounge, which will end up looking something like this:



    Happy days!

    Marco.
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    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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