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[walpurgis]

Oh dear, I may have to re-think my position

I'm sure an equitable compromise can be reached once public floggings are re-introduced.

[Pigmy Pony]

I'm sure an equitable compromise can be reached once public floggings are re-introduced.

Wouldn't mind a bit of flogging as long as she's fit

[Marco]

So close to my views (obviously not a fascist then )- excellent post (and previous about politicians lying being a recent phenomenon )

So are you saying then we should simply assume that all politicians are lying disingenuous bastards, especially if they become PM? Probably so, certainly BJ-boy comes into that category.

God help us then... What happened to getting into politics for the RIGHT REASONS (to do good) and to fight for what is right; the values you believe in and stand for - do such noble traits no longer exist? Is the whole thing simply a seedy quagmire of selfishness and corruption?

No wonder I rarely vote these days.

Marco.

[Pigmy Pony]

So are you saying then we should simply assume that all politicians are lying disingenuous bastards, especially if they become PM? Probably so, certainly BJ-boy comes into that category.

God help us then... What happened to getting into politics for the RIGHT REASONS (to do good) and to fight for what is right; the values you believe in and stand for - do such noble traits no longer exist? Is the whole thing simply a seedy quagmire of selfishness and corruption?

No wonder I rarely vote these days.

Marco.

I thought you did. You voted in the last general election didn't you?

I'm sure most politicians get into it for the right reason, just that some lose their way at some point.

[Marco]

I thought you did. You voted in the last general election didn't you?

Only to try and keep BJ-boy out, as I knew he'd be a nightmare. So for the first time in my life I voted Labour, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered. Or if I had, my vote would've gone to Plaid Cymru. Or SNP, if I still lived in Scotland.

If what you say is true, then BJ has certainly 'lost his way', to put it politely.

Marco.

[Jac Hawk]

I think political lying has always been there and nowadays it's increasingly more difficult to get away with it so to speak as everything is recorded and available for playback at any given moment, politicians have realised that so don't bother trying to worm their way out of it anymore, they simply refuse to take accountability for what they've said or call it "fake news". BJ says whatever he thinks will improve his position regardless of it's truth, unfortunately telling the truth doesn't get you far in politics, people simply don't want to hear how shit it actually is and the establishment want to keep their dirty money making secrets that fuck the working man over on a daily basis out of the public eye for as long as possible.

Nowadays politics is sold to us like advertising on a TV and unfortunately people are buying it.

[struth]

Mostly it was the church or politics for the male kids of rich who were fairly useless at everything.. think its still that way today. a great way to earn decent money; good benefits, and scope to get to top if you show you can crawl, lie and cheat well.

[Marco]

BJ says whatever he thinks will improve his position regardless of it's truth, unfortunately telling the truth doesn't get you far in politics, people simply don't want to hear how shit it actually is and the establishment want to keep their dirty money making secrets that fuck the working man over on a daily basis out of the public eye for as long as possible.

And on that we wholeheartedly agree! It's one reason why I abhor the extremes of right-wing politics or capitalism.

What you describe needs exposed and eradicated, and the focus turned much more on what's good for the common man, so when this Covid shite is over, and BJ's time is up, we need to boot the Tories out and get things back on more even keel.

Marco [fiercely anti-establishment].

[Marco]

Mostly it was the church or politics for the male kids of rich who were fairly useless at everything.. think its still that way today. a great way to earn decent money; good benefits, and scope to get to top if you show you can crawl, lie and cheat well.

Well I guess that's why there are so many clueless balloons!

Marco.

[Macca]

So are you saying then we should simply assume that all politicians are lying disingenuous bastards, especially if they become PM? Probably so, certainly BJ-boy comes into that category.

God help us then... What happened to getting into politics for the RIGHT REASONS (to do good) and to fight for what is right; the values you believe in and stand for - do such noble traits no longer exist? Is the whole thing simply a seedy quagmire of selfishness and corruption?

No wonder I rarely vote these days.

Marco.

It's such a shame that you won't watch 'Yes Minister' and 'Yes Prime Minister' since the answers to all your questions are right there.

I think it's safe to say that no-one has ever gone into politics for 'the right reasons', in fact that's a tautology.

I love that you think Corbyn was a libertarian. Not sure exactly what he was but I would say pretty close to Marxist/Trotskyite which is pretty much diametrically opposed to libertarianism, and is all about controlling the minutiae of people's lives, not only what they are allowed do, but what they are allowed to say and think.