Supporting the SL-1210

[Marco]

Guys,

Support feet and mats are largely system-dependant, just like everything else - there is no one universally 'correct' solution, so you just have to 'suck it and see'

In the context of my system, Dave's mat and the Isonoes work best. I haven't tried the SRM acrylic mat on my 1210, so I can't comment on that (perhaps we could try that Shuggs next time you're up?), but the Sorbothane feet were truly dire - reducing dynamics, bloating the sound, and killing the music in the process. The Isonoes were just so much better in every way...

*But*, as I say, that's only in the context of my system - and of course my Techy sits on glass, not to mention many multiple layers of Mana supports!

Marco.

[chris@panteg]

Shuggie ' it must down to taste or whatever !

You see i had the SRM acrylic mat ' and i hated it , sounded hard ' bright and shiny to me.

[chris@panteg]

*But*, as I say, that's only in the context of my system - and of course my Techy sits on glass, not to mention many multiple layers of Mana supports!

Marco.

Hi Marco

Apparently glass is the optimum surface for the Isonoe's , which may explain at least partly why you prefer them ' though this can be argued i guess .

[MartinT]

I am very interested in exploring alternative ways of getting the Technics to work best for me, but please don't think that I am arrogantly assuming that you, Marco and others are wrong

Not at all and it's good to discuss these things. I am by no means close minded about the feet or anything else and I was asking Dave about his giant sorbothane feet at the show. I do hope you'll get something out of hearing my system but it really doesn't matter if you hate it - we'll have something to laugh about.

By the way, I'm not a Shoenberg fan and I absolutely loath Birtwhistle. I do love Glass and Ligeti, though. There's no logic to it at all.

[Ali Tait]

If we all liked the same things,forums would be pretty boring!

[Marco]

Hi Marco

Apparently glass is the optimum surface for the Isonoe's , which may explain at least partly why you prefer them ' though this can be argued i guess .

Hi Chris,

Yes I do think that is a factor, and there's also the matter of synergy... The Stillpoints supports Shuggie uses will undoubtedly impact differently on how a system reproduces music than Mana will - and so the effect of Sorbothane feet or Isonoes will synergise with the sonic signature of one support better than the other...

Quite simply, there are too many variables to consider for there ever be one 'perfect' solution

Marco.

P.S Ali, damn tootin'!

[jandl100]

A small experiment was undertaken at Jerry Mansions last night ....

I swapped my sorbothane hemisphere squishy footers on my Herbie Mat-ed Techie for rigid mounting via some aluminium and RDC1 cones ....



A fairly significant difference.

For those who prefer a somewhat diffuse and less-pinpoint presentation (I know some folks who do) then squishy is the way to go, but for those (like me) who prefer their music more precise and focused then the rigid support is better. I'm staying with the cones.

Curiously, with the cone support, my 250g record puck now improves the sound! ... with the squishy support it had made it worse. It's all about dynamic interactions, innit?!

[Ammonite Audio]

A small experiment was undertaken at Jerry Mansions last night ....

I swapped my sorbothane hemisphere squishy footers on my Herbie Mat-ed Techie for rigid mounting via some aluminium and RDC1 cones ....



A fairly significant difference.

For those who prefer a somewhat diffuse and less-pinpoint presentation (I know some folks who do) then squishy is the way to go, but for those (like me) who prefer their music more precise and focused then the rigid support is better. I'm staying with the cones.

Curiously, with the cone support, my 250g record puck now improves the sound! ... with the squishy support it had made it worse. It's all about dynamic interactions, innit?!

Hi Jerry

Thank you for being curious about my own musings on this subject

It looks like you have the RDC cones placed against the rubber base of the Technics - is that right; also how many did you use (eg 3 or 4)?

The large circle of small screws underneath the Technics provides direct access to the alloy chassis, bypassing the rubber. I removed three of these to allow the Stillpoints to contact the exposed chassis points, and I do prefer the results. Would you try the same with the RDC cones (I realise that they'd have to point the other way)?

Regards etc

[MartinT]

An interesting observation, Jerry, and exactly the difference I noticed when switching from Foculpod feet to Isonoes. Everything tightened up considerably, better focus, more midrange insight and no bass overhang. And my record weight improves the sound!

Of course, the surface the Techie is standing on must make a great difference to how it responds to feet. One thing I would expect with cones is poorer isolation but I await your further tests.

[The Vinyl Adventure]

this is certainly an interesting thread, it would seem as marco says their are a lot of variables and different methods for suporting a techie with a veriety of different result..
im slightly worried i have to say, since my techie was sounding good last time it was on a different stand in a different house!
good to see you are now having success with a weight jerry, my one is in the post to you so you can see if that is any better still