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    What is the reason for hi-fi? Well, the simple answer is to make the most of the music software that you have.

    In some ways this thread parallels a thread that I started:
    http://theartofsound.net/forum/showt...t%3F+expensive.

    Having posed this question, there has been some carefully thought out and worded responses, particularly those of Chris (TGW), Ralph (REM) and Martin (Macca). To my embarrassment, I realise that I have yet to reply. I’ll use this thread to both respond to Andre's question as well as reply to some of the posts on my thread.

    For me and I imagine those of us who can attend concerts, especially those that are un-amplified, I want my audio system to provide a believable facsimile of such concerts. From the many aspects that a system has to satisfy in order to achieve this ambition i.e. one of realism, I place tonal fidelity and image focus at the top of the list; I cannot stand colouration and like the sound stage to be well defined and fixed. Next I would place a good sense of dynamics and the achievement of realistic dynamic range. Along with this comes the whole issue of ‘pace, rhythm and timing’; depending on what is playing, I can tap my toe, snap my fingers or ever ‘boogie’ around the room. Lastly would come the ability to reproduce deep bass or ‘bat squeak’ treble.

    What I don’t want is the sense that anybody is playing in my listening room. I cannot understand those who say “it’s just like (insert artist) was playing in the room”. What I want, and this is a bit difficult to describe, is that beyond a plane, near to the plane of the speakers, the walls of my living room magically disappear and I hear the music and the environment in which it is being played. The thought of hearing the Vienna Philharmonic or the LSO (an orchestra with which I’m most familiar), as if they were all playing in my living room is frankly absurd. I want to ‘hear’ the walls of the acoustic in which the performance occurs, whether this is a simple folk guitarist, sat on a stool in a folk club, or a full-blown orchestra. Again what I don’t want is a sound that is ‘more exciting’ than the original – but unless you attend concerts this is difficult to assess.

    For those recordings that are studio recordings, for which there is no obvious reference, I would like to think that I am hearing what the mix-down engineer heard. But I can never know, so have to aspire to a ‘good sound’, whatever that may be.

    Finally there are those enthusiasts who rarely, if ever, attend live concerts, or enjoy the performance of those artists of whom they do not, or cannot, hear in concert. For these, I can only assume that the goal here is to provide the emotional response that these artists engender. Unfortunately, this is a purely subjective aspect, and often invokes the indefinable quantities of ‘musical engagement’ and ‘insight’. At times I’m moved to tears of joy or sadness when listening to some music, or the hairs on the back of neck stand on end, from the sheer thrill.

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    Barry

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    Quote Originally Posted by barry.d.hunt View Post

    What I don’t want is the sense that anybody is playing in my listening room. I cannot understand those who say “it’s just like (insert artist) was playing in the room”. What I want, and this is a bit difficult to describe, is that beyond a plane, near to the plane of the speakers, the walls of my living room magically disappear and I hear the music and the environment in which it is being played.
    Barry - that is it exactly for me. It's a truly magical experience - like 3 dimensional TV but without the picture to distract from the sound - if you get my drift
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    Virtual reality audio

    Once you hear your room size change to something else , you're hooked. Strangely enough , I heard this when I had my starter system and find it quite difficult to do it now I've improved the gear..

    Also I don't watch TV so music is on none stop all day I'm home (which is alot lately as I have man-flu!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali Tait View Post
    For me,music pure and simple.The kit is secondary.I have what I have because it gets me emotionally closer to the music.A friend put it very well-A hi-fi will let you stand outside the music,listenng in.A great hi-fi will put you inside the music,make you a part of it.That's what it's all about for me.
    I agree. My dealer and I have come up with the phrase 'music system' for what you call a 'great hi-fi'. It stops being hi-fi and starts approaching the state of music.

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    I don't think I can add to what I said in the Thread that Barry links to except to endorse what Barry says here:

    QUOTE: Barry - At times I’m moved to tears of joy or sadness when listening to some music, or the hairs on the back of neck stand on end, from the sheer thrill.
    ............those hairs on the back of the neck & shivers down the spine moments are why I made the investment in my hi-fi.
    Last edited by The Grand Wazoo; 15-02-2010 at 07:30.

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    I want to recreate the original performance and be there, wherever 'there' might be - either the live event or the performance in the mind of the recording engineer. My hi-fi system is a window to that event and should not get in the way.

    The actual demands made on the system in order to achieve the above are considerable and my engineer's mind appreciates the electronics and the ergonomics of the equipment itself. These are two distinct but mutually compatible pursuits for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc B View Post
    Virtual reality audio

    Once you hear your room size change to something else , you're hooked. Strangely enough , I heard this when I had my starter system and find it quite difficult to do it now I've improved the gear..

    Also I don't watch TV so music is on none stop all day I'm home (which is alot lately as I have man-flu!)
    'Virtual reality audio' sums it up exactly! My kit can do it but I've heard it done better. And the effect varies with the recording and with your own state of mind when listening.

    In theory any half-competent kit should be able to acheive the effect - it is the room and the 'speaker set up that are the real limiter. 'Speakers need to be a couple of feet out into the room as a minimum and with nothing in between the 'speakers - seating, equipment racks, bookcases or a chimney breast all detract from the effect.
    Current Lash Up:

    TEAC VRDS 701T > Sony TAE1000ESD > Krell KSA50S > Troels Gravesen Faital 3WC-15.

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    Short answer: "For fun."

    While many of you strive to recreate a live performance and get pleasure from both the end result but also the journey to your audio nirvana, for me much of the content of the music I listen to has never seen an analogue stage before hitting the output of the DAC. I get a great thrill from lots of different music, but there is an ineffable shiver that I get when the whole thing just "works".

    If you ain't enjoying it, you're doing it wrong.

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    I remember my parents Dansette Tempo when I was around five years old and the fact that I was never without music of one kind or another. The first seven inch single I was bought by my mother was 'Shapes of Things' by the Yardbirds. It was inevitable that I would develop a passion for music; in that respect I had no choice but it wasn't until I had a life changing accident that real Hi-Fi took over.

    I now find that music through my present sound system sends me into a near hypnotic trance of relaxation and for that I love CD. I love the fact that I can listen for seventy minutes and not have to turn the bloody thing over four times. I love the fact that my room has no real boundary as the stereo effect moves the walls backwards and sideways. I love the fact that there is just so much detail and precision. Most of all, I love the fact that I am transported away from reality.

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    The sister thread from when this forum started:

    http://www.theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20

    My answer is my opening post although I now realise that all four are possible provided you can live with a certain intensity of experience, which I can and want.

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