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  1. #51
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    IMO, every large company must produce a duff product occasionally but it's how they rectify the problem that really matters.

  2. #52
    Join Date: Jan 2008

    Location: Wrexham, North Wales, UK

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    I'm AudioAl'sArbiterForPISHANTO.

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    Hi guys,

    Thanks for your comments of concern about my cartridge and tonearm. They are much appreciated and show the true community spirit that we have created here on AoS

    IMO, every large company must produce a duff product occasionally but it's how they rectify the problem that really matters.
    I completely agree, Dave. Therefore at the moment I'm simply allowing Ortofon and/or Henley to resolve the situation to my satisfaction at their earliest possible opportunity.

    For reference, the sequence of events up until now has been as follows:

    23rd November 11: received faulty SPU cartridge from Ortofon, leading to mishap with tonearm. As directed by dealer, returned cartridge to Henley by Special Delivery. Spoke to dealer about him attempting to fix the arm. It was arranged that I would bring the tonearm to his shop the following day, which I did.

    24th November 11: Henley confirm receipt of the SPU, and acknowledge the fault. Went to dealer, as outlined above, but unfortunately he could not fix the arm. As it was late in the evening, near closing time, the tonearm was returned to Henley by the dealer the following day in order for it to be sent back to the manufacturer.

    25th November 11: Dealer confirms that the tonearm has been sent to Henley.

    {Weekend then follows}

    28th November 11: Dealer confirms that Henley have received the tonearm. No confirmation yet that it (and the SPU) have been returned to Ortofon.

    29th November 11: Informed by dealer that unfortunately he didn't have a chance to call Henley for an update.

    30th November 11: Dealer confirms that both the tonearm and SPU have been returned to Ortofon. I've asked dealer if I'm getting replacements or the original items repaired to the required 'as new' professional standard, and am told by him that he "presumes" that it will be the latter, in order to have the items returned to me in the quickest possible time; an arrangement which, should it be honoured as agreed, I would be happy with.

    Dealer promised to come back to me today (1/12/11) with an update from Henley, regarding the above, and whether Ortofon have now received both items, and if so, an approximate E.T.A (back to me) for both the repaired and/or replaced tonearm and cartridge.

    I am currently awaiting said update. Once given, I will report here, and from then will update the thread whenever I receive new information. This will therefore provide a written account, for reference, of how long it has taken Ortofon (and Henley) to resolve the matter to my satisfaction

    To date, it is 6 working days since the problem occurred and was reported. I am reasonably happy with progress so far.

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

  3. #53
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    We're watching this unfold with great interest, Marco. Here's hoping for a good result.

  4. #54
    Join Date: Jan 2008

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    Cheers, Martin!

    1st December 11: Advised by dealer (who had left a voicemail on my mobile, just after 3pm, which I've only now discovered because my phone had been switched off) that Ortofon now have both items in their possession and will be producing a report either tomorrow or Monday.

    After the report has been carried out, I will know whether my tonearm and cartridge will be repaired or replaced. It has been envisaged that I should have both items back to me by the end of next week at the latest.

    I'm happy with that for now

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

  5. #55
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    Well, to be honest, that's quicker than I expected - so that's good.
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  6. #56
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    We took this incredibly seriously and I have been personally communicating with the CEO of ortofon regarding this and would expect an answer by the end of play today. The cartridge was collected by us and DHL'd straight to Ortofon.

    For what it's worth, the failure rate with ortofon is less that 1/1000 as thier QC really is way above the norm. That's why we took this one so seriously.

    Let's face it, we all make mistakes and there isn't a manufacturer that never has a QC issue, despite what other posters think but it's how you resolve the mistake that matters, and I sincerely hope that the OP leaves this one smiling.

    Assuring you ALL of our best attention at all times.

    Laurence Armstrong
    Managing Director
    Henley Designs

  7. #57
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    Brilliant stuff, Lawrence... Nice to see you here, and much appreciated!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

  8. #58
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    I think this incident is going to end up very well in deed for you Marco. Big respect to Mr Armstrong to take his time and explain the situation on the forum, this kind of customer service is very rare now days unfortunately .


    Quote Originally Posted by henley View Post
    We took this incredibly seriously and I have been personally communicating with the CEO of ortofon regarding this and would expect an answer by the end of play today. The cartridge was collected by us and DHL'd straight to Ortofon.

    For what it's worth, the failure rate with ortofon is less that 1/1000 as thier QC really is way above the norm. That's why we took this one so seriously.

    Let's face it, we all make mistakes and there isn't a manufacturer that never has a QC issue, despite what other posters think but it's how you resolve the mistake that matters, and I sincerely hope that the OP leaves this one smiling.

    Assuring you ALL of our best attention at all times.

    Laurence Armstrong
    Managing Director
    Henley Designs
    My Gear

    Source components:
    Garrard 401 in a solid birch plywood plinth / Trans-Fi Terminator T3Pro / ESCo modified Denon DL-103
    Pioneer TX-9800 tuner
    Amplification:
    Art Audio Diavolo and Conductor, Pair of XTZ Sub Amp 1's, Nick G 'Dual Phono' phono stage
    Loudspeakers:
    Bastanis Mandala Atlas with 15" sealed woofers
    Cables:
    Analysis Plus: Big Silver Oval speaker cables and Silver Oval-in interconnects, Mark Grant DSP 2.5 Dual Screened power cables
    Record cleaning
    Nitty Gritty 1.5Fi MK II

  9. #59
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    Indeed, Juha, and not only that, Lawrence has kindly offered to send me a set of these rather nice LW-800S headshell cables, with his compliments, for my inconvenience:

    http://www.ortofon.com/index.php?opt...187&Itemid=181

    How many other importers/manufacturers would do that?

    That is what you call 'going the extra mile' for your customers, so hat's off to Henley (and Ortofon) for their superb customer service. I hope to have all three new items with me shortly. As they say, 'all's well that ends well'....

    Thanks again, Lawrence!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

  10. #60
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    First class service Marco. Not often seen in these days of mass consumerism.
    Best of luck.

    John
    Sent by me using an appendage



    SME Model 15/V tonearm, Sumiko Starling, Dynavector P75IV.

    Luxman 509X amp.

    PMC 25 23i speakers.

    Innuos/Roon/Qobuz/I-Pad. Oppo UDP-205.

    Cables by Kimber, Yannis and Audioquest.

    Audioquest Niagara. Tube Distinctions Mains power filter. Project RCM. Zerostat.


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