Hi all ya!

[Alex_UK]

separeted in time by fase shits and things..

I don't think that's even legal in the UK! If anyone even suggests shitting on my fase they are in big trouble!

I'm afraid I don't have an analytical ear enough to be able to recognise what you are describing, but I'm a bit worried you may be Head of Marketing for Linn... you're not, are you?

[Marco]

He's defo got it bad, Alex!

Marco.

[Steve Toy]

An opportunity has been missed on this thread, big time. Tunepirate is on the right lines but has much to learn. The tune dem is indeed the most effective method to evaluate hi-fi.

A transistor radio may allow you to follow one melodic thread at a time. A good hi-fi system will allow you to follow the melodies of backing instruments as well as enable you to hear their true purpose within the whole mix.

A Linn system is good in terms of musical involvement, I.e: allowing different melodic threads to be heard both separately and as a cohesive whole but they are not the very best even if you use their criteria.

Our AOS system at Scalford was described as being the most musical by someone who uses the tune dem method. Our system was up against some Linn/Naim systems and was still more tuneful.
Here at AOS the game is to out-tune Linn and out-PR&T Naim with added harmonic structure, texture, tonal colour and soundstage as the icing on the cake.

Welcome to the true Flat Earth where there is more to life than Linn and Naim.

Oh, horns can be incredibly phase coherent as can valves.

Right chaps we have a duty to wean this guy off Linn/Naim in his noble pursuit of fidelity to the music itself.

[Steve Toy]

PS: looking at your list of approved tune-dem brands I see one notable failure (imho). Musical Fidelity.

I also see one notable omission: Densen.

[The Grand Wazoo]

My earth's flatter than your earth?

Here at AOS the game is ...........

.............I thought there are a few folk here who are happy with at least a few gentle bumps.

[Alex_UK]

The problem though, is that for the vast majority of albums in my collection, the only point of reference I have is my own - that is, I have not heard the artist perform live, and I have not heard the work played on another system. So does that suddenly mean that albums I adore are trash if played on someone else's system, or rubbish (to me) albums spring to life played on a superior system? Sometimes I feel we think far too hard about all this, look for problems and theories where there aren't any, and generally don't spend enough time immersing ourselves in the emotional message from the music that any half-decent system should be able to communicate. Just my ramblings, after too much vino on a school night!

I guess I will always be a music over boxes kind of guy.

[Steve Toy]

Chris for bumps see "icing on the cake" above.

[The Grand Wazoo]

The problem though, is that for the vast majority of albums in my collection, the only point of reference I have is my own - that is, I have not heard the artist perform live

Well, I've never been at a gig & had it spoiled because I noticed the bassist had an amp that was 'lagging behind' the drummer.
I don't see any particular finesse in stage electronics or speakers.

[Spectral Morn]

PS: looking at your list of approved tune-dem brands I see one notable failure (imho). Musical Fidelity.

I also see one notable omission: Densen.

Agreed, at one time yes, but not for quite a few years. Not since Tri-Vista (some might say Nu-Vista. For me its Tri-Vista)...after that it all became about detail and vanishing distortion levels, and not imho/e musicality.

Regards D S D L

[Barry]

The problem though, is that for the vast majority of albums in my collection, the only point of reference I have is my own - that is, I have not heard the artist perform live, and I have not heard the work played on another system. So does that suddenly mean that albums I adore are trash if played on someone else's system, or rubbish (to me) albums spring to life played on a superior system? Sometimes I feel we think far too hard about all this, look for problems and theories where there aren't any, and generally don't spend enough time immersing ourselves in the emotional message from the music that any half-decent system should be able to communicate. Just my ramblings, after too much vino on a school night!

I guess I will always be a music over boxes kind of guy.

Well said Alex!

I've never fully understood the Linn 'tune' thing (Linn's test used to be: "can you hum or whistle along to the tune?") Yes of course you can, if the music permits it !

Neither have I understood the Naim PRAT thing, despite reading several lengthy web postings. Can someone explain? Again, the test used to be: "do you want to tap your toes, feet, snap your fingers or just generaly feel the urge to boogie round the room?" Music and mood permitting - yes of course.

Yours in confusion