Stands and sound quality

Here in the States (or at least with my group of friends) it's common for very high priced amps/preamps/CDPs to be plonked down on whatever furniture is available.

In reading a lot of the threads here it seems taken for granted that stands play a strong role in getting the best out of one's system.

I'm curious as to whether there are any UK listeners who think that an amplifier sounds just as good on a kitchen table as it does on a 500 GBP audio rack.

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Originally Posted by JJack

I'm curious as to whether there are any UK listeners who think that an amplifier sounds just as good on a kitchen table as it does on a 500 GBP audio rack.

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I should imagine that the only ones who do are the ones that have never tried anything except standard living room furniture to support stuff :eyebrows:

But you have aroused my curiousity to....

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Originally Posted by JJack

Here in the States (or at least with my group of friends) it's common for very high priced amps/preamps/CDPs to be plonked down on whatever furniture is available.

In reading a lot of the threads here it seems taken for granted that stands play a strong role in getting the best out of one's system.

I'm curious as to whether there are any UK listeners who think that an amplifier sounds just as good on a kitchen table as it does on a 500 GBP audio rack.

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The kitchen table would not suit feng shui at all..... Too close to the sink.... And wouldn't the crystals and magnetic pulse thingummyjig not interrupt dinner? :rolleyes:
IMHO there is a lot of claptrap talked about certain stands sounding better, both for equipment and speakers, without much engagement on why that should be the case. Having built many in both timber and steel, and examined the flimsy commercial offerings, perhaps I am too harsh, or pragmatic.
So long as the support is sturdy enough, the equipment is reasonably isolated from structural vibration, and not in an area where pressure waves will coincide, almost anything will do or can be rejigged to suit.
I should be interesting to see what comes out of this thread....

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Originally Posted by bobbasrah

The kitchen table would not suit feng shui at all..... Too close to the sink.... And wouldn't the crystals and magnetic pulse thingummyjig not interrupt dinner? :rolleyes:
IMHO there is a lot of claptrap talked about certain stands sounding better, both for equipment and speakers, without much engagement on why that should be the case. Having built many in both timber and steel, and examined the flimsy commercial offerings, perhaps I am too harsh, or pragmatic.
So long as the support is sturdy enough, the equipment is reasonably isolated from structural vibration, and not in an area where pressure waves will coincide, almost anything will do or can be rejigged to suit.
It should be interesting to see what comes out of this thread....

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Alas, this isn't one of the more active subforums.

I think that, like anything else in audio, you just have to try things and see what works (or doesn't) in your own environment, and with your own system. Quite simply, in any area of audio, there is no substitute for practical experience.

What I dislike are conclusive (rigid and inflexible) opinions being formed about stands (or anything else, for that matter), which are based merely on idle theory, scientific or otherwise, or plain bias, thorugh ignorance. You have to try things for yourself and listen. Then let your OWN ears be the judge. *That* is the only way which GENUINE learning and discoveries are possible. And if you can't trust your own ears, then take up a different hobby!

As far as my own experience is concerned, I've been experimenting with various specialist equipment stands, which have been designed to optimise the sonic performance of audio equipment, since around 1990, and over that time have learned much in this area; an example of such being that the effects of microphony in audio equipment are very real, and these are not addressed effectively by placing equipment on commercial furniture.

It is based on the considerable knowledge and experience I've gained from this experimentation that is the reason why I place all my equipment on Mana stands, to the substantial benefit of my appreciation of recorded music. Others here, with similar experience, have chosen the same or different paths, in terms of their choice of stands, but which have led to achieving the same result.

I can't put it any better than that :)

Marco.

I wish that equipment supports did not make a difference to musical reproduction, but they do and invariably cost money. Like Marco, I choose to trust my own ears and the best I've found is the Stillpoints ESS rack. Unfortunately it was expensive but I still consider it good value. To my ears, the effect of a good support system is not just the obvious bass/treble/imaging etc stuff: it's just as much to do with an almost indescribable feeling that the music is simply more enjoyable. I find it very difficult to articulate such feelings in words, but I do know when things are right, and often all the equipment needs to perform well is a suitable support system. That may for some people be something from Ikea, but I've not yet identified any such bargains.

I to have done the journey through the different makes/types of equipment Stands etc over the years, and have always used my ears as the deciding factor. Hence I'm now using Naim, for me this bettered everything I'd used in the past, Sound Org,Origin Live,Target,Atacama,Mana.
I'm not saying Naim is the be all and end because i know its not, something far superior will inevitably come along. As Marco said...EXPERIMENT.

I think that the key to building the best system is in having an inquisitive mind. And also in always striving for excellence, seeking to get closer to one's idea of 'perfection', whilst simultaneously expanding one's music collection, and so therefore always remaining focussed on what is the means to an end.

It's about dotting the I's and crossing the T's, attending to the (seemingly) small details, which often turn out to have a large sonic influence, adopting lateral thinking in the process and being willing to experiment, using the knowledge gained to form valid opinions, and not simply having the mindset of buying the best equipment one can afford and assuming that this alone will guarantee the best sound, which rarely proves to be the case.

I've always said that I'd rather have a £5000 system, where genuine sonic synergy has been achieved, through judicious equipment selection, and the optimal set-up of the equipment used, via the use of specialist cables (which need not be stupidly expensive), stands and power management (optimisation of how equipment is powered from the wall socket), than a £50,000 'badge-fi' system, simply plugged into a noisy house electrical ring-main (or whatever), connected together with bell-wire and plonked on an old coffee table.

And from experience, I can virtually guarantee that the former will sound much more enjoyable and musically convincing! ;)

Marco.

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What I dislike are conclusive (rigid and inflexible) opinions being formed about stands (or anything else, for that matter), which are based merely on idle theory, scientific or otherwise, or plain bias, thorugh ignorance. You have to try things for yourself and listen. Then let your OWN ears be the judge. *That* is the only way which GENUINE learning and discoveries are possible. And if you can't trust your own ears, then take up a different hobby!.

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Hmm...seems to me you are trying to make some sort of point Marco.

Lol - of course I am. Why else would I write that? It's a poke at the 'measurements first' objectivist brigade, who inhabit (some would say infect) forums elsewhere, but that I also know can't help reading this one ;)

Marco.

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Originally Posted by Marco

It is based on the knowledge and experience I've gained from the above experimentation that is the reason why I place all my equipment on Mana stands, to the substantial benefit of my appreciation of recorded music. Others here, with similar experience, have chosen the same or different paths, in terms of their choice of stands, but which have led to achieving the same result.

I can't put it any better than that :)

Marco.

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Accepted Marco, from your trial and error you deduce that Mana stands are the answer for your listening levels, environment and equipment, but that neither means that a specialist stand is essential nor that the "kitchen table" would not necessarily suit another situation.

One lad back home is using the same cut down oak dresser on castors (retrospective sacriledge) because it is vibration free on his carpeting almost 30 years after I cut off it's barley twist legs. Equipment, decorations and carpet have all changed, the customised dresser remains.

Perhaps in the transition from vinyl/valve to digital/ss, vibration has perhaps been too readily overlooked, as has been equipment placement and listening room dampening/attenuation. No two scenarios are ever the same, and neither are the solutions.

However, it is not beyond the wit or capability of anyone, to make their own custom stands to minimise vibration, and tweak the kit with replacement feet, glass coasters, or squash balls, etc to take out that nth effect. A well made stand is a joy, but not the sole preserve of mass manufacturers.

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Originally Posted by Marco

I think that, like anything else in audio, you just have to try things and see what works (or doesn't) in your own environment, and with your own system. Quite simply, in any area of audio, there is no substitute for practical experience.

What I dislike are conclusive (rigid and inflexible) opinions being formed about stands (or anything else, for that matter), which are based merely on idle theory, scientific or otherwise, or plain bias, thorugh ignorance. You have to try things for yourself and listen. Then let your OWN ears be the judge. *That* is the only way which GENUINE learning and discoveries are possible. And if you can't trust your own ears, then take up a different hobby!

As far as my own experience is concerned, I've been experimenting with various specialist equipment stands, which have been designed to optimise the sonic performance of audio equipment, since around 1990, and over that time have learned much in this area; an example of such being that the effects of microphony in audio equipment are very real, and these are not addressed effectively by placing equipment on commercial furniture.

It is based on the considerable knowledge and experience I've gained from this experimentation that is the reason why I place all my equipment on Mana stands, to the substantial benefit of my appreciation of recorded music. Others here, with similar experience, have chosen the same or different paths, in terms of their choice of stands, but which have led to achieving the same result.

I can't put it any better than that :)

Marco.

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I use good stands, but honestly I do it more to remove gross variables than because I can hear any difference (maybe all the stands I've tried are good?).

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Originally Posted by Marco

I think that the key to building the best system is in having an inquisitive mind. And also in always striving for excellence, seeking to get closer to one's idea of 'perfection', whilst simultaneously expanding one's music collection, and so therefore always remaining focussed on what is the means to an end.

It's about dotting the I's and crossing the T's, attending to the (seemingly) small details, which often turn out to have a large sonic influence, adopting lateral thinking in the process and being willing to experiment, using the knowledge gained to form valid opinions, and not simply having the mindset of buying the best equipment one can afford and assuming that this alone will guarantee the best sound, which rarely proves to be the case.

I've always said that I'd rather have a £5000 system, where genuine sonic synergy has been achieved, through judicious equipment selection, and the optimal set-up of the equipment used, via the use of specialist cables (which need not be stupidly expensive), stands and power management (optimisation of how equipment is powered from the wall socket), than a £50,000 'badge-fi' system, simply plugged into a noisy house electrical ring-main (or whatever), connected together with bell-wire and plonked on an old coffee table.

And from experience, I can virtually guarantee that the former will sound much more enjoyable and musically convincing! ;)

Marco.

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But that's a little like saying a good system is better than a bad system, notwithstanding price. No argument with you there.

Instead, let's assume the cables, power supply (I have a dedicated 20 amp line), system synergy, etc. are held constant ... if that's the case, how much more would I need to spend over your 5,000 to get your performance, assuming that I rest my amplifier on a bookcase and you have yours on a bespoke stand?

Is it like the difference between a Shure 97 and a Shelter 501?

I hope this isn't coming across as argumentative, but I find your 5,000 vs. 50,000 comment fascinating and I'm trying to quantify it in a way I understand.

Other than a good shelf for my tt i've found racks to make no difference.
Usually just gone for the one that looks the nicest.

Stands can make no difference or a huge difference.
If you are using book shelf monitors and want clean tight bass you had better have solid coupling to the floor or wall.
A 120 lb. stand filled 50/50 with very fine lead shot and white sand spiked to the floor will give you far better bass than a wooden stool.

If you are running tube gear or a turntable and unsheilded interconnects you need heavy stands that dampen micro phonics.

If you have a Bose system you got at Costco with your club card,aluminum patio furniture,cardboard boxes and folding TV trays are highly recommended.

The whole thing is not about price but need according to the physical weakness in the gear your using.
Some gear can with stand a good degree of vibration and even shock(consumer grade black plastic electronics).

Some gear is more sensitive and depending on environmental conditions my need a supportive foundation.

The thing is you could spend a pile of $$$$$$$ and buy the finest equipment in the world but unless you tune it to the environment (the room) and match for synergy with the music you like, spend some time sorting out little nodes and artifacts it's just a waste of money.

It's not unlike buying a E type Jag and driving it 12,000 ft. above sea level with out adjusting the air /fuel mixture, re syncing the carbs, adjusting the timing maybe even spark gap and expecting it to run like a Jaguar E type.

You just have to work it out for your self at the end of the day, that is what makes your system special and unique to you as it is more than just the sum total of it's parts.

Or this over size glass of crown Royal has screwed my brain and then ignore this post, Well let the moderators and members weigh in.

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Originally Posted by goraman

Stands can make no difference or a huge difference.
If you are using book shelf monitors and want clean tight bass you had better have solid coupling to the floor or wall.
A 120 lb. stand filled 50/50 with very fine lead shot and white sand spiked to the floor will give you far better bass than a wooden stool.

If you are running tube gear or a turntable and unsheilded interconnects you need heavy stands that dampen micro phonics.

If you have a Bose system you got at Costco with your club card,aluminum patio furniture,cardboard boxes and folding TV trays are highly recommended.

The whole thing is not about price but need according to the physical weakness in the gear your using.
Some gear can with stand a good degree of vibration and even shock(consumer grade black plastic electronics).

Some gear is more sensitive and depending on environmental conditions my need a supportive foundation.

The thing is you could spend a pile of $$$$$$$ and buy the finest equipment in the world but unless you tune it to the environment (the room) and match for synergy with the music you like, spend some time sorting out little nodes and artifacts it's just a waste of money.

It's not unlike buying a E type Jag and driving it 12,000 ft. above sea level with out adjusting the air /fuel mixture, re syncing the carbs, adjusting the timing maybe even spark gap and expecting it to run like a Jaguar E type.
You just have to work it out for your self at the end of the day, that is what makes your system special and unique to you as it is more than just the sum total of it's parts.

Or this over size glass of crown Royal has screwed my brain and then ignore this post, Well let the moderators and members weigh in.

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I think it's more like whether a black Jag drives better than a silver Jag.;)

As an eloquent bit of serendipity, the current audio buying spree I'm on is being funded by the sale of a silver Jag.

A black Jag absorbs more heat making the motor run hotter affecting performance,silver reflects heat also black paint is applied after a heavier coat of primer adding weight affecting the horse power to weight ratio.
Black cars attract more women so there is at least 110 extra pounds unless your into plus size gals then it's even worse,and you would need to add a turbo charger and heavy springs.

Did you sell an E type if so I'm sad for you,if you sold an S type (Ford Taurus) smart move.

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A black Jag absorbs more heat making the motor run hotter affecting performance,silver reflects heat also black paint is applied after a heavier coat of primer adding weight affecting the horse power to weight ratio.
Black cars attract more women so there is at least 110 extra pounds unless your into plus size gals then it's even worse,and you would need to add a turbo charger and heavy springs.

Did you sell an E type if so I'm sad for you,if you sold an S type (Ford Taurus) smart move.

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Excellent points all.:lol:

Place a couple of these under each amp they work wonders.
They weigh nearly 552 U.S. pounds each so get help from a friend and lift with your knees.

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Place a couple of these under each amp they work wonders.
They weigh nearly 552 U.S. pounds each so get help from a friend and lift with your knees.

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Everyone's struggling to get their breath back under 552 pounds of US bullshit :D

Lol - I've got more to say on this subject, and will do so, pending the time required to type it! ;)

Marco.

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Lol - I've got more to say on this subject, and will do so, pending the time required to type it! ;)

Marco.

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I look forward to it. I saw the photos of your stands on the other thread, so I know you've got experience in these matters.

Once I figure out how to post pics, I'll post one of my 110 pound sand-filled Sanus stand (spiked to the floor and spiked at the turntable) and my bespoke Harbeth stands.

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I look forward to it. I saw the photos of your stands on the other thread, so I know you've got experience in these matters.

Once I figure out how to post pics, I'll post one of my 110 pound sand-filled Sanus stand (spiked to the floor and spiked at the turntable) and my bespoke Harbeth stands.

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That's pretty hefty, at just under 50kg. Should be extremely stable.
Presumably this is a tubular steel stand, filled with sand to absorb resonance? Is that by design or a modification?
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Originally Posted by goraman

A black Jag absorbs more heat making the motor run hotter affecting performance,silver reflects heat also black paint is applied after a heavier coat of primer adding weight affecting the horse power to weight ratio.
Black cars attract more women so there is at least 110 extra pounds unless your into plus size gals then it's even worse,and you would need to add a turbo charger and heavy springs.

Did you sell an E type if so I'm sad for you,if you sold an S type (Ford Taurus) smart move.

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:lol: Brilliant !! :lol: :D

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That's pretty hefty, at just under 50kg. Should be extremely stable.
Presumably this is a tubular steel stand, filled with sand to absorb resonance? Is that by design or a modification?
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Good call. It is a giant Sanus stand that was given to me by an audio friend. He filled each post (5 feet high apiece) with sand. Unbelievably heavy.

Perhaps this is why I don't hear any difference with equipment stands: because I already have good equipment stands!

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Good call. It is a giant Sanus stand that was given to me by an audio friend. He filled each post (5 feet high apiece) with sand. Unbelievably heavy.

Perhaps this is why I don't hear any difference with equipment stands: because I already have good equipment stands!

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Sand is superb stuff for damping any resonances, because each partical can't really pass it on to it's neighbour any nasties are soon damped out.

Wharfedale (an old speaker manufacturer from the UK) used to make a sand filled baffle speaker, the same thing applies, the baffle was non resonant due to the sand filling :)

Try punching a bucket of sand & see how much it resonates :rfl:

I use a converted tea trolley for the electronics; got spikes instead of wheels mounted in poly suspension bushes let into the wooden legs..........feckin marvellous. :D

I do have serious heavyweight speaker stands though filled with sand in the base and top, expanding foam in the uprights :eyebrows:

So to summarise, we have mass, rigidity, anti-resonance measures, acoustic de-coupling, and permanence. Excepting John, who has to shift the gear and refit wheels when folks come round for tea..

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Originally Posted by Reid Malenfant

Sand is superb stuff for damping any resonances, because each partical can't really pass it on to it's neighbour any nasties are soon damped out.

Wharfedale (an old speaker manufacturer from the UK) used to make a sand filled baffle speaker, the same thing applies, the baffle was non resonant due to the sand filling :)

Try punching a bucket of sand & see how much it resonates :rfl:

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Now try punching a bucket of kiln dried fine white sand mixed 50/50 with number 12 lead shot!:mental:

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Sand is superb stuff for damping any resonances, because each partical can't really pass it on to it's neighbour any nasties are soon damped out.

Wharfedale (an old speaker manufacturer from the UK) used to make a sand filled baffle speaker, the same thing applies, the baffle was non resonant due to the sand filling :)

Try punching a bucket of sand & see how much it resonates :rfl:

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I guess it has to be white sand with lead shot to avoid colouration of the non resonance. :mental:

Still not convinced from previous messing around that lead shot adds anything (other than mass) to the behaviour, and in a resonating cabinet, particle separation and migration would be rapid. In a tubular metallic frame, such dampening would exhibit the same migration which could possibly cause localised ringing, only to be dampened by the sand.
Drop lead shot and sand mix onto a steel plate and listen for the sand hitting it or vibrate the mix in a glass to see the effect....:D
Even the best graded quartz sand will settle out leaving a fine dust on the top layer as it is effectively a range of particle sizes of unequal mass.

Pretty sure I came across a fairly recent design using the exact same sand technique for dual walls in a DIY speaker array, and yer another for a sub-bass. Also came across a turntable base that was so designed, which seemed a little extreme.:rolleyes:

Wouldn't siting a piece of kit on top of a sandbag give theoretically total isolation from structure borne vibration at a very low price - albeit with a low WAF rating also?

Not sure how level or stable it would be for long, though! ;)

Marco.

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Wouldn't siting a piece of kit on top of a sandbag give theoretically total isolation from structure borne vibration at a very low price - albeit with a low WAF rating also?

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Nope.....more likely to get a black eye for the leaking sand as a result of WAF. :lol:
If the sand is not incorporated in the structure it is not dampening any chassis vibrations.
A sandbag's contents would shift so would have no support stability.
It would however dampen sonics travelling through it down to a certain frequency. Such is the design of the TL's stand here, a box of sand on spikes, the speakers spaced off the timber box.
The sand however is not the support.:eyebrows:

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I guess it has to be white sand with lead shot to avoid colouration of the non resonance. :mental:

Still not convinced from previous messing around that lead shot adds anything (other than mass) to the behaviour, and in a resonating cabinet, particle separation and migration would be rapid. In a tubular metallic frame, such dampening would exhibit the same migration which could possibly cause localised ringing, only to be dampened by the sand.
Drop lead shot and sand mix onto a steel plate and listen for the sand hitting it or vibrate the mix in a glass to see the effect....:D
Even the best graded quartz sand will settle out leaving a fine dust on the top layer as it is effectively a range of particle sizes of unequal mass.

Pretty sure I came across a fairly recent design using the exact same sand technique for dual walls in a DIY speaker array, and yer another for a sub-bass. Also came across a turntable base that was so designed, which seemed a little extreme.:rolleyes:

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The lead sot only adds mass,and mass helps deaden vibration by it's very nature,Mass is your friend.

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The lead sot only adds mass,and mass helps deaden vibration by it's very nature,Mass is your friend.

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Unless you are in the sights of the shotgun :lol:

Personally I wouldn't add lead shot to the sand.

Speaking of migration you should have watched me make some sand filled speakers a while back, there is a way round it :eyebrows: What you have to do is fill the panel from one corner & then with a scrap piece of wood & a hammer you proceed to beat the crap out of the scrap wood while it sits against the centre of the sand filled panel. This soon settles the sand & you then add more via the gap in between the panels in the upper corner.

Having beaten it up enough a plug is then glued & hammered in to plug the gap :D

Take it from me that it works & works rather well :eyebrows:

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Wouldn't siting a piece of kit on top of a sandbag give theoretically total isolation from structure borne vibration at a very low price - albeit with a low WAF rating also?

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http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/sandblaster_e.html

Okay, as I promised (I'm the OP) here's a picture of my equipment stand.

It is spiked on the bottom, and the turntable base is spiked as well.

http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/...1/Harbeth1.jpg

I confess I didn't do ABX testing, and I don't know if it "sounds" any better, or indeed, if it "sounds" at all, but at the very least I removed the notion of poor eqiupment stands from the equation, and I think it looks nice as well. :)

Nice rack (arf arf).

What is it? I like the finish.

When I went from a manky old Ikea stand with a wobbly leg to something better, I didn't listen for a difference but I couldn't help notice everything sounded more coherent, atleast to me it does.

It's just MDF that's painted red, but well-done. I inherited it from an audio buddy who went to a high-end setup.

The upcoming issue of HiFi Critic will discuss this subject in detail. Written by Paul Messenger.

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Originally Posted by Marco

It's about dotting the I's and crossing the T's, attending to the (seemingly) small details, which often turn out to have a large sonic influence, adopting lateral thinking in the process and being willing to experiment, using the knowledge gained to form valid opinions, and not simply having the mindset of buying the best equipment one can afford and assuming that this alone will guarantee the best sound, which rarely proves to be the case.

Marco.

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So true. The issue for many I suspect is that this approach takes time and patience and does not suit the psyche of the "throw money at it and fit and forget brigade" who invariably haven't a clue about what they are trying to achieve (just my personal opponion of course). I have just spent many hours (I'm on leave) experimenting with stands and supports for my JR 149's - including making custom solid wood top plates and trying 3 different types/sizes/shapes of sorbothane - with and without top spikes etc etc. in all probably spent 7 or 8 hours but the changes all made a distinct difference to the sound - some good and some not so good. I've opted for 3 large sorbothane blocks placed on top of the Kan II stands with the JR 149's directly on top. This gives the cleanest bass and best PRaT - other combinations sounded muddy and veiled. So as Marco opines little things can and do have significant sonic effects but be prepared to spend time. Regarding supports best example of sonic effects was when I had an LP12 - Sound Advice my old dealer in Brum sourced a couple of solid wood open top tables based on the Linn jig - the deck sat in a shallow recess in the top - the entire base board was accessible from below - sounded better than anything else at any price but would probably make a Techy sound pants.
Steve

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So true. The issue for many I suspect is that this approach takes time and patience and does not suit the psyche of the "throw money at it and fit and forget brigade" who invariably haven't a clue about what they are trying to achieve (just my personal opponion of course). I have just spent many hours (I'm on leave) experimenting with stands and supports for my JR 149's - including making custom solid wood top plates and trying 3 different types/sizes/shapes of sorbothane - with and without top spikes etc etc. in all probably spent 7 or 8 hours but the changes all made a distinct difference to the sound - some good and some not so good. I've opted for 3 large sorbothane blocks placed on top of the Kan II stands with the JR 149's directly on top. This gives the cleanest bass and best PRaT - other combinations sounded muddy and veiled. So as Marco opines little things can and do have significant sonic effects but be prepared to spend time. Regarding supports best example of sonic effects was when I had an LP12 - Sound Advice my old dealer in Brum sourced a couple of solid wood open top tables based on the Linn jig - the deck sat in a shallow recess in the top - the entire base board was accessible from below - sounded better than anything else at any price but would probably make a Techy sound pants.
Steve

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Well, but let's be fair.

This isn't an issue of me "throwing money" at a system. I carefully auditioned my system and built it over the span of two months, as I've noted elsewhere.

Let's not assume that I "haven't a clue" or assume that I belong to one side of a debate or another.

Let's assume a different set of facts: assume I was quite careful in component matching. Assume further that that I have, from time to time, tried different (but competent) equipment stands, and have heard no difference whatsover.

Assume that I'm happy and that I'm happy that you're happy with the way you spend your time on this hobby:)

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Originally Posted by JJack

Well, but let's be fair.

This isn't an issue of me "throwing money" at a system. I carefully auditioned my system and built it over the span of two months, as I've noted elsewhere.

Let's not assume that I "haven't a clue" or assume that I belong to one side of a debate or another.

Let's assume a different set of facts: assume I was quite careful in component matching. Assume further that that I have, from time to time, tried different (but competent) equipment stands, and have heard no difference whatsover.

Assume that I'm happy and that I'm happy that you're happy with the way you spend your time on this hobby:)

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That's a candidate for 'reply of the week' right there, you should be a diplomat sir... :D

+1
And for almost ANY given subject......

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Originally Posted by JJack

Well, but let's be fair.

This isn't an issue of me "throwing money" at a system. I carefully auditioned my system and built it over the span of two months, as I've noted elsewhere.

Let's not assume that I "haven't a clue" or assume that I belong to one side of a debate or another.

Let's assume a different set of facts: assume I was quite careful in component matching. Assume further that that I have, from time to time, tried different (but competent) equipment stands, and have heard no difference whatsover.

Assume that I'm happy and that I'm happy that you're happy with the way you spend your time on this hobby:)

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Fair enough M8 but I refer you to the first line of my post - "the issue for MANY I suspect" etc etc. so safe to assume not targeted at any individual :D
I happen to think your speaker stands look the must nuts :) and I'm only to aware of the unintended consequences of my OCD :mental:

Steve

Easy to be diplomatic on AoS because people aren't angry about hi-fi, as on other boards.

Cheers,
JJ

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Easy to be diplomatic on AoS because people aren't angry about hi-fi, as on other boards.

Cheers,
JJ

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+1
It's only a hobby - people are dying in Homs!

Steve

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Originally Posted by worrasf

I happen to think your speaker stands look the must nuts :)

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Yes I just noticed them as well :stalks: :stalks: Very nice looking stands indeed :)

They look the business :cool: