Squeezebox Touch Powersupply

It was my birthday on Monday.... I dont want to talk about how old I am:(:cocktail::acid:

The only upside is that I've bought myself a Squeezebox touch and Im kind of excited about getting some good sounds from a few FLAC files. Im also planning some value for money upgrades just for fun:)

I have a couple of DACs a can use so no problem there. But Im also wondering about a low cost upgrade to the basic power supply. I aint springing for £200 of Teddy Touch supply so I had a google and found this from Russ Andrews:
[URL="http://www.russandrews.com/product-TouchPak-for-the-Logitech-Touch-1834.htm"]
But for what you get it too seems a bit steep. Has anyone any experience with alternatives?
Any suggestions valued and explored!
Thanks.
Darren

Have a look at the Squeezebox Touch forum Darren:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showth...pgrades&page=5

I have a home made supply based on the John Swenson design that does improve the performance of the Touch.

£93 for a bog standard switch mode PSU with one cap changed and some fancy cable?

Oh dear.

Make/buy a non rip off linear PSU.

Butuz

Happy (belated) Birthday, Darren!

:birthday:

Ha, ha!! Many thanks Alex thats very nice of you. :cheers:

Butuz - that was my own thought. its hard to see the value in that.

Hey Cov - thanks for the link....mmm: they dont seem to think that a new power supply will make any difference. Interesting.

Oh, but it does!

Hi Ali,
Even when I'm using an outboard DAC?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ali Tait

Oh, but it does!

---

Which PSU are you using with the Touch?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ali Tait

Oh, but it does!

---

Absolutely does.
I've heard the linear PSU Ali uses in my own system.
I was sceptical too...but it was an obvious improvement from the stock supply.

Honest. :)

I always trust my ears rather than what I read, and in this case the Touch can be made to sound better with a linear supply.
Theres more to it than just switching vs linear of course..but
it DOES respond well to a good PSU.

Honest :)

Well it's actually a switching supply, but a good one. I managed to liberate a few from my last place of work. They are nemic lambdas, and I got about half a dozen at various voltages, luckily two are what I need, one being 5v which runs the Touch, and another at 15v which runs my two Bantam Golds, which again was obviously better than the stock wallwart.

Ok! I'm convinced. Could anyone suggest an off the shelf item I could buy as construction is beyond my ability?

Keep checking ebay, various ones come up now and again. There are also bench supplies, but they can be a bit pricey.

To answer your earlier question, yes, even with an outboard dac it's an improvement. I use an Audionote dac.

I had an Audionote DAC 1.1 a few years ago. It was as sweet as a nut. Loved it.
I'll keep my eye out for a supply but if anyone knowsof anything do please give me a shout.

I've been using these with my SB receivers with great success...

http://www.maplin.co.uk/ac-dc-multi-...r-supply-32754

...it's a variable voltage linear PSU, with settings of 1.5,3,4.5,6,7.5,9 & 12 Vdc, the SB receiver is 9V so it's fine for them (N.B. the web site states 5V as an option, I believe this is in error).

I also have an SB3, which like the Touch requires 5V, so as an electronics numpty I'm wondering if I could use one of these with it, with a little alterartion :eyebrows:

The voltage selector is just a dial on the top, set with a screwdriver, could this be used to select any voltage in its capable range, or will it have specific spots associated with specified voltages? :scratch:

Time to call Maplins I think...

I followed wills advice and noticed an improvement over the origional.I paid about £18 at maplins.
TC.

I'd guess the Touch should work ok with 4.5v.

I've just been on the blower to maplins HQ;

There would appear to be some confusion at maplins about the VN10L...

They have 3 different suppliers and three different product codes (none of which are on the box), the ones I bought for my SB receivers (9V) about a month ago were discounted to £12.99, have a red maplins label on the device, and cover 1.5,3,4.5,6,7.5,9 & 12 v range.

The ones in the Coventry store are as above, but now at £18.99

The current one advertised on the web page has a blue maplins label and cover 5,6,7.5,9,12,13.2 v range. Perfect for my SB3 and for the touch too!

So the question is how can one acquire the updated one?

Maplins are apparently going to get in touch with me, I'll post their response if I get one :eyebrows:

Tony what does your recently bought VN10L look like, what voltage options does it offer, and is the maplins logo red?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ali Tait

I'd guess the Touch should work ok with 4.5v.

---

Wouldn't that cause some problems Ali? remember my numpty knowledge...

Also couldn't it be tweaked to give 5v as it's variable voltage anyway :scratch:

And even more hopefully, if the new one goes up to 13.2v could it be beefed up to 15v for a beresford DAC perhaps

Oh ho! Now we are talking. :)

I imported one of these and could hear an improvement

http://www.welbornelabs.com/squeeze.htm

they had 20% off when I bought mine and the pound was at over $2 to the pound so it was a good price then
may be a little much now

Clive

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by clive7164

I imported one of these and could hear an improvement

http://www.welbornelabs.com/squeeze.htm

they had 20% off when I bought mine and the pound was at over $2 to the pound so it was a good price then
may be a little much now

Clive

---

This was the (Touch) PSU that I mentioned and linked to in This thread, however, the one comment made about it was rather terse...

Just as a wee aside boys....
Which file format do you prefer: WAV or FLAC?
Space isnt really an issue so it's down to sound quality. Have you heard any difference?
Thanks in advance.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Darren

Just as a wee aside boys....
Which file format do you prefer: WAV or FLAC?
Space isnt really an issue so it's down to sound quality. Have you heard any difference?
Thanks in advance.

---

You shouldn't be able to hear a difference between FLAC & WAV and of all the testing I have done between the two I cannot tell the difference, so I only have FLAC for the reduced library size. There are members here who keep both, but play FLAC, with the WAV file is a backup. I guess at the end of the day, try them both and see, but I doubt you would be able to tell the difference in a blind test?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Darren

Just as a wee aside boys....
Which file format do you prefer: WAV or FLAC?
Space isnt really an issue so it's down to sound quality. Have you heard any difference?
Thanks in advance.

---

FLAC.
WAV is no good for tag support.
And I can't tell the difference between WAV and FLAC either ;)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by jbloggs

This was the (Touch) PSU that I mentioned and linked to in This thread, however, the one comment made about it was rather terse...

---

As Gary said, beware of Greeks bearing gifts.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Stratmangler

As Gary said, beware of Greeks bearing gifts.

---

clive7164 wrote in Post 20 of this thread:

Quote:

---

I imported one of these and could hear an improvement

---

I also know of at least one other person who has this PSU (for the Touch) and they also report and improvement in sound quality (even as I reported in the Here)...

Have you used this PSU, or do you have experience of it and if you haven't why are you knocking it, is a comment from a user (clive7164) that he found an improvement not enough for you?

I'm sure it sounds good, but a power supply that's more expensive than the device it powers, is a little excessive IMHO...;)

Oh and whilst I'm here FLAC, FLAC, FLAC, FLAC, etc...:)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by WAD62

I've just been on the blower to maplins HQ;

There would appear to be some confusion at maplins about the VN10L...

They have 3 different suppliers and three different product codes (none of which are on the box), the ones I bought for my SB receivers (9V) about a month ago were discounted to £12.99, have a red maplins label on the device, and cover 1.5,3,4.5,6,7.5,9 & 12 v range.

The ones in the Coventry store are as above, but now at £18.99

The current one advertised on the web page has a blue maplins label and cover 5,6,7.5,9,12,13.2 v range. Perfect for my SB3 and for the touch too!

So the question is how can one acquire the updated one?

Maplins are apparently going to get in touch with me, I'll post their response if I get one :eyebrows:

Tony what does your recently bought VN10L look like, what voltage options does it offer, and is the maplins logo red?

---

Ok Maplins have just got back to me about the VN10L.

As suspected they're changing their supplier the...

1.5,3,4.5,6,7.5,9 & 12 v range version is old stock and still in the stores.

Whereas if you order from the web site you will receive the new version which is the 5,6,7.5,9,12,13.2 v range version.

I've just ordered one for my SB3, 5V, it also may be OK for a Beresford as it now goes up to 13.2V :):):)

Happy days! :cool:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by WAD62

I'm sure it sounds good, but a power supply that's more expensive than the device it powers, is a little excessive IMHO...;)

---

I don't look at it that way...

My system cost me >£2000, so I look at what upgrades will improve the sound quality and at what cost, in the case of the Touch PSU it would appear that replacing the stock one yields a decent improvement, in my system I don't see how I would effect a better improvement for spending this money on the Touch PSU elsewhere.

I also note that spending £60 on a Mark Grant power cable is not frowned upon but looked upon as a sound investment here on AoS (which I agree with), however, persons could point out that spending £60 on a simple bit of cable is wildly excess and pointless!

Quote:

---

I've just ordered one for my SB3, 5V,

---

I will be interested to see what results this gives.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by jbloggs

I will be interested to see what results this gives.

---

I already have two of the original model for each of my SB receivers (@ 9V), and they give tremendous improvements for both the digital and analogue outputs.

As I mentioned in my original post :)

FYI Check out posts 14 & 15 & this thread http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10134

We'll see what happens with the SB3, fingers crossed :eyebrows:

I like the 'economy of scale' that maplins gives :cool:

P.S. We've all spent a lot of money on our systems here, it's just a question of what that money gets you, and for the £200 you've spent on a linear PSU for your touch, I've got 3 for my SB players, 2 more for my T-Amps, and have change left over for a Beresford DAC...Oh and a trip round t' world on't QE2 ;)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by jbloggs

clive7164 wrote in Post 20 of this thread:



I also know of at least one other person who has this PSU (for the Touch) and they also report and improvement in sound quality (even as I reported in the Here)...

Have you used this PSU, or do you have experience of it and if you haven't why are you knocking it, is a comment from a user (clive7164) that he found an improvement not enough for you?

---

It's not the present, it's the Greek.
If you do a search on DIY Audio you'll see what I mean.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by WAD62

I've just been on the blower to maplins HQ;

There would appear to be some confusion at maplins about the VN10L...

They have 3 different suppliers and three different product codes (none of which are on the box), the ones I bought for my SB receivers (9V) about a month ago were discounted to £12.99, have a red maplins label on the device, and cover 1.5,3,4.5,6,7.5,9 & 12 v range.

The ones in the Coventry store are as above, but now at £18.99

The current one advertised on the web page has a blue maplins label and cover 5,6,7.5,9,12,13.2 v range. Perfect for my SB3 and for the touch too!

So the question is how can one acquire the updated one?

Maplins are apparently going to get in touch with me, I'll post their response if I get one :eyebrows:

Tony what does your recently bought VN10L look like, what voltage options does it offer, and is the maplins logo red?

---

red logo and it goes up to 12v...sounds smashin.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by wee tee cee

red logo and it goes up to 12v...sounds smashin.

---

Just the job...:)

And the new one will do 5V too :eyebrows:

anyone has experience with teddy pardo TTouch? what's inside, is it a shunt reg or something else?

Hi Guys,

Came across this today; anybody tried one ?

http://www.squeeze-upgrade.com/squee...ch-p-1602.html


Regards
Tony

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by anubisgrau

anyone has experience with teddy pardo TTouch? what's inside, is it a shunt reg or something else?

---

The TTouch is based on the same TeddyCap power supplies for Naim equipment utilising the SuperTeddyReg.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Audiocom

The TTouch is based on the same TeddyCap power supplies for Naim equipment utilising the SuperTeddyReg.

---

So if it's the same as the SuperTeddy regulators i have seen it's a cascaded (2 section) series regulator. Shunt regulators are incredibly inefficient unless you are nearly drawing the full design current, requiring huge heatsinks ;)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LittleTone

Hi Guys,

Came across this today; anybody tried one ?

http://www.squeeze-upgrade.com/squee...ch-p-1602.html


Regards
Tony

---

No but I started a thread a while ago on the subject, and after some good input from more electronically minded people on AOS I moved towards the cheaper maplins offering...what is that filter thingy? Probably a ferric ring in a posh box...

Perhaps I'm just too cynical ;)

I this the one Will

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jonboy

I this the one Will

---

It is indeed Jon...one small downside, the one I ordered arrived very promptly, unfortunately it's the original spec not the web site one...i.e. it doesn't do 5v only 4.5v etc.

So 'buyer beware', fortunately I've blundered into success again, the beresford DAC I'd recently bought needs 12v (I thought it needed 15v), and the old one does that too, so I'll be keeping mine.:)

Ah good if i get 5 mins this week i will pop into my local Maplins and grap one to try out

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by anubisgrau

anyone has experience with teddy pardo TTouch? what's inside, is it a shunt reg or something else?

---

Here you go the teddy PS is the one on the right the other transformer on the left is for another power supply that I got built by some else to power the upgraded clock in my SB3. Some of the caps on the TPS have been upgraded to better ones which includes the bigger cap.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2784/dscf0091z.jpg

http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/6890/dscf0092.jpg

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/3479/dscf0093s.jpg

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by jbloggs

This was the (Touch) PSU that I mentioned and linked to in This thread, however, the one comment made about it was rather terse...

---

You've gone rather quiet about this item since my last post.
Here's the most recent post I've spotted about Welborne http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86415

I also happen to know someone who has been at the receiving end of Welborne's "customer service".

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Stratmangler

You've gone rather quiet about this item since my last post.
Here's the most recent post I've spotted about Welborne http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86415

I also happen to know someone who has been at the receiving end of Welborne's "customer service".

---

I read your reply to me in Post #31 which read:

Quote:

---

It's not the present, it's the Greek.
If you do a search on DIY Audio you'll see what I mean.

---

I am certainly not going to search around the DIY forum to find out what you mean't, if you can't answer a post in a non-cryptic manner, why bother answering!

The post you link to on the SqueezeBox forum is a thread about one person's experience with their customer service, not with the actual PSU itself...

You and Will (WAD62) just seem to enjoy rubbishing products you haven't any experience with.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by jbloggs

You and Will (WAD62) just seem to enjoy rubbishing products you haven't any experience with.

---

I don't recall rubbishing any product...only the price

Have you had any experience with the maplins PSU?

If yes then I bow to you sir

If No? then you're hardly in a position to make an objective judgement on their respective values and capabilities, and we're entering the world of hypocrisy...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by WAD62

I don't recall rubbishing any product...only the price

Have you had any experience with the maplins PSU?

If yes then I bow to you sir

If No? then you're hardly in a position to make an objective judgement on their respective values and capabilities, and we're entering the world of hypocrisy...

---

Yes, on reflection, it was only the price you rubbished, so apologies there:

Quote:

---

We've all spent a lot of money on our systems here, it's just a question of what that money gets you, and for the £200 you've spent on a linear PSU for your touch, I've got 3 for my SB players, 2 more for my T-Amps, and have change left over for a Beresford DAC...Oh and a trip round t' world on't QE2

---

However, this comment on the price is rather unnecessary!

I have absolutely no experience with Maplin's PSU and neither have I criticized it in any way, or offered any opinions on it at all, the only comment I offered was when you wrote:

Quote:

---

I've just ordered one for my SB3, 5V,

---

I replied:

Quote:

---

I will be interested to see what results this gives.

---

So not having passed judgement on its performance or price these comments:

Quote:

---

then you're hardly in a position to make an objective judgement on their respective values and capabilities, and we're entering the world of hypocrisy

---

Are completely wasted on me...especially the bit about hypocrisy! :ner:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by jbloggs

if you can't answer a post in a non-cryptic manner, why bother answering!

---

Well screw you !
If you have not got the intelligence to work out what's meant then it's your loss.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by jbloggs

The post you link to on the SqueezeBox forum is a thread about one person's experience with their customer service, not with the actual PSU itself...

You and Will (WAD62) just seem to enjoy rubbishing products you haven't any experience with.

---

If you took your head out from up your own backside, then you'd realise that I haven't rubbished the product either.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by jbloggs

However, this comment on the price is rather unnecessary!

---

Given that my criticism was based solely on price, how on earth can a comment about it's price be deemed unnecessary, I would have thought the word to use might be 'relevant', or even 'necessary' if you prefer.

I'm not quite sure which bit of the comment caused a problem for you...

Reviving this thread to ask about another Maplins PSU as a potential replacement for the 5V 3amp one supplied with the Touch.
http://www.maplin.co.uk/ac-dc-multi-...r-supply-48517

Can set it to run 5V DC at 5 amps and its a regulated supply, so should mean voltage pretty stable and is as stated?
Just curious to try it, as its sitting in a box doing nothing. It will also let me use my foo mains lead with my Touch, which may or may not make a difference :)
(Actually, the mains lead made an good improvement with my old amp, so suspect it wouldn't do any harm)

The Touch runs 5V and the supplied PSU is rated at 3 amps I think.
I'm assuming the Touch would only draw what it needs amp wise...no problem with the Maplins supply being 5amps?

Just curious if it will physically work and not blow up my Touch!
The numbers seem ok?

Just curious to try it, not expecting much.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Gazjam

Reviving this thread to ask about another Maplins PSU for my SB Touch.
http://www.maplin.co.uk/ac-dc-multi-...r-supply-48517

Can set it to run 5V DC at 4amps and its a regulated supply.
Just curious as its sitting in a box doing nothing. Was good upgrade for my 7510 BDac.

Just curious if it will physically work and not blow up my Touch!
The numbers seem ok?

Just curious to try it, not expecting much.

---

Hi Gaz I'm using one of those on an SB3 quite successfully, at 5V, and no smoke has eminated from it yet;)

However this linear one is even better IMHO, if it ever filters through to the shops...

http://www.maplin.co.uk/ac-dc-multi-...r-supply-32754

...I've got 3 of it's predecessor, which didn't do 5V (the closest was 4.5), but does the 9V requires for my SB receivers, and 12V for my TC-7510.

Check with the shop first as there seem to be a lot of the older spec out there in the stores, with the same model number :steam: