And these I drool over... the only speaker that I have heard that was truly amazing...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KLIPSCH-LA...QAAOSwCypWo4L0
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And these I drool over... the only speaker that I have heard that was truly amazing...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KLIPSCH-LA...QAAOSwCypWo4L0
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2916749082...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
These failed to sell at £49, so now relisted like this
Large Vintage Baker LoudSpeaker Speaker pair 20w 40-14-500 cps 3ft tall !
NOW: £75.00
Price reduced by: -£75.00
claiming half price when theyve actually nearly doubled
some folk have no shame
Well they ARE 3ft tall....... :wow: ...... :doh:Quote:
Originally Posted by struth
Is it only me or is there something strange about 'collectable vintage' speakers that have been rewired with modern two core lamp wire and a stray earth wire......
One for vintage buffs. Decca Deram ceramic cartridge. Elliptical stylus. New old stock! This is rare in unused condition.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Decca-New-...QAAOSwa-dWsN9V
Yes but won't work into a standard modern phono stage. Both impedance and gain will be mismatched.Quote:
Originally Posted by walpurgis
Interesting, Tom. In what way exactly? :)
Marco.
Yes it needs a pretty high impedance if I recall and RIAA equalisation will not apply.Quote:
Originally Posted by montesquieu
(I've still got one somewhere)
There's actually variability in how they work .. some (many) are self-equalising so you don't need a phono stage, but attenuation is needed as the signal is far too high for modern inputs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Other need EQ but the impedance is wrong and you still have the gain issue, will overload most phono stages.
Lots of info here http://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=60957
Interesting, and noted. It's the sort of info, however, which should be included in the seller's advert, in order to prevent folk, who don't know any better, buying it thinking that it's a 'normal' cartridge! :doh:
Didn't the BBC once use them for broadcasting (playing vinyl) in their radio stations?
Marco.
Yes. I believe the BBC did use them. Back in the late sixties and early seventies they had plenty of fans in radio studios and were also the mobile DJ's cartridge of choice, as they were tough reasonably cheap and sounded good. I was involved in the mobile DJ game back then and we used them exclusively. The Deram is possibly the best sounding mass produced ceramic cartridge, although I have come across Acos items that sounded decent too. The more common Sonotones did not compete in my view.
The Deram will actually work into an MM input and sound fine. However, when loaded like this it is incredibly microphonic and, of course, works best into a proper ceramic input.
I'm another big fan of the Deram and, must admit, I'm quite tempted by this one...
Well, then... This:
...rather contradicts this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beobloke
So, who's right?? And what exactly does "will actually work into an MM input and sound fine" mean? :hmm:Quote:
Originally Posted by montesquieu
Will it actually work and sound any good, in the same way as if one were to use an ordinary MM cartridge? And how can it "sound fine" if it's liable to overload a phono stage??
I have to say that conflicting/confusing information like that, posted here, is something that really roasts my dome! :doh:
Marco.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN PHONO CARTRIDGES?
Most common cartridge of the 50's and 60's was the ceramic phono cartridge. Typically, these were supplied as turnover cartridges in early (non Hi-Fi) tube and solid state stereo systems, record changers and children's players. Some were higher quality versions such as the Decca Deram. Ceramic cartridges are high impedance and high output voltage (200-1200mV) devices. Another feature of this type of cartridge is that its response is amplitude based pick-up instead of velocity based like magnetic cartridges. This means that phono equalization is not required. A record player with this type of cartridge may be plugged directly into an high impedance (tube) input. Today, this type of cartridge is best used with old 78rpm records.
from http://www.lh-electric.net/tutorials/phono.html
I can't claim to be an expert - my hifi experience dates from long after ceramic cartridges were mostly gone (ie, the 70s) but I did try out an old Decca once and the gain made it unusable. Most people playing with them seem to use vintage preamps made to accept them, or build their own 'phono stage'/input buffer. Which makes sense to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by montesquieu
Thanks for that, Tom. No offence, but I trust you can see where I'm coming from? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by montesquieu
It would really piss me off if I bought, say, the Decca Deram listed (were it still available), after being told that it will "work fine', and then finding out that it overloaded my phono stage and/or sounded shit for some other reason...!!
That's why, we try our best to ensure that whatever information is published on AoS is factual and accurate.
Now, could you (or anyone else) please explain what is meant by this:
Translate please into 'layman's language'.Quote:
Another feature of this type of cartridge is that its response is amplitude based pick-up instead of velocity based like magnetic cartridges.
Why?Quote:
This means that phono equalization is not required.
What exactly is one of those? Is it a phono input, line input or what? Where would I find such, for example, on my Croft preamp?Quote:
A record player with this type of cartridge may be plugged directly into an high impedance (tube) input.
My hi-fi experience really only dates from the early 80s, so ceramic cartridges, and their efficacy when used with modern equipment, is something I know zero about. However, I wish to ensure that any information posted here about the matter is both accurate and verifiable, for the benefit of all those who may be interested in learning about the subject.
Marco.
Easy tiger...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Basically, ceramic cartridges are very sensitive to input loading. If you plug them into a normal MM input which loads them with 47kOhm they behave very differently to when they are plugged into a dedicated ceramic input, which would load them with 1-2MOhm.
With the lower resistive loading, many (but not all!) generally behave more like an MM as their bass rolls off and the RIAA equalisation restores this. Once the loading is up to the recommended Meg or two they have a flat response and thus require no equalisation (ceramic inputs have no RIAA equalisation). Their output will still obviously be higher than the average MM and whether this overloads the phono stage depends on the design of the stage.
It's an inexact science and does not work for all cartridges. However, I know you're a fan of using one's own ears and I can thus confirm through extensive personal experience that a Deram does work into an MM input and it did not overload mine. It sounded lovely but, as I mentioned, was very microphonic - as soon as I touched the armtube or fingerlift, there was a load of thumping through the loudspeakers! This disappeared when I used it through the dedicated Ceramic Cartridge preamplifier that I built years ago and it sounded even better. If you're really interested in the results I'm happy to dig my Deram out when I get five minutes and plug it into an MM input to remind myself of how it fares!
As an aside, if you fancy having a play with some ceramics, I can let you have the circuit of this preamplifier, which then plugs straight into a line input. Sadly, mine disappeared in a house move years ago and I've never got round to building another one.
Now *that* is much more useful, Adam, so thanks for the info :thumbsup:
Gotcha now. Makes perfect sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beobloke
Ok noted. The latter, however, isn't something I'd put up with, nor indeed the cartridge concerned being used anything other than optimally. That would be my only interpretation of 'sounds fine'! ;) It's either right or it's not. In that respect, there is no 'grey area'.Quote:
It's an inexact science and does not work for all cartridges. However, I know you're a fan of using one's own ears and I can thus confirm through extensive personal experience that a Deram does work into an MM input and it did not overload mine. It sounded lovely but, as I mentioned, was very microphonic - as soon as I touched the armtube or fingerlift, there was a load of thumping through the loudspeakers!
Please do, as I'd find that most interesting. I'd certainly be in the market for such a cartridge, as long as I was able to use it, as it was intended to be used, and hear it properly, which brings us to this:Quote:
This disappeared when I used it through the dedicated Ceramic Cartridge preamplifier that I built years ago and it sounded even better. If you're really interested in the results I'm happy to dig my Deram out when I get five minutes and plug it into an MM input to remind myself of how it fares!
Please do (either send it via PM, or publish it on the new thread that you start in Strokes of Genius, when reviewing your Deram, and please also post some pics). I'd simply ask someone to build said 'preamplifier' for me :cool:Quote:
As an aside, if you fancy having a play with some ceramics, I can let you have the circuit of this preamplifier, which then plugs straight into a line input. Sadly, mine disappeared in a house move years ago and I've never got round to building another one.
Marco.
There was a very good article published in Wireless world in July 1971 about "Ceramic Pickup Equalization".
I'm currently using a Phillips (GP390) low output ceramic cartridge into a diy mm phono stage with additional passive eq to boost the 1.5db drop off below 500Hz.
If all goes well I'm planning to bring it to Scalford Hall mounted on a Thorens TD160 Super with RB300 arm.
Sharif.
What do you think of these Sennheiser HD-414
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cuffia-Sen...kAAOSwvUlWq3tV
Nice one... a member with the right name.... :D why didn't I think of that :doh:
It didn't have a cucumber in it? :eyebrows:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ninanina
Marco.
That will be it Marco... :doh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
:rfl:
Look like they have fallen on deaf ears. Good for an art installation perhaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheArtOfSound
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ONE-OFF-CU...3D252277240474
I wonder what the Jez, Alan, Ali etc make of this...
Blast from the past. The Kenwood XD-752 (midi?) system. Not high end at all. The sound was rather fun, in a big bass heavy kind of way.
S.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kenwood-mi...oAAOSwXshWrg2H
Rogers Cadet 2 valve amplifier anybody? Ludicrously overpriced at £600. I sold one about ten years ago on eBay for £60. They're nothing special, I've had a few.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rogers-Cad...4AAOSw4HVWFW4Z
Tannoy System 10 DMT II monitors. Extremely nice sounding speakers with plenty of punch. In North London.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tannoy-Sys...kAAOSwGotWteT~
Not sure if these are a bargain but DAMN!!!! theyre nice to look at
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RUARK-TEMP...0AAOSwJb9Wti0s
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Naim-Arriv...gAAOSwX~dWq7pU
sweet jesus......i need a proper listening room to put these in
The price is creeping up for Templars - I think they were around £650 new so that is over a grand in today's money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigman80
I like Ruarks. These look nice, decent price too. The seller Steve is a good bloke and excellent to deal with. Bought my big Tannoys from him. Very pleased with those.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigman80
very pretty those. fortunately im happy with mine:D
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Originally Posted by walpurgis
If i had somewhere to put them id have themQuote:
Originally Posted by struth
Moth Series 30 monoblocks with matching passive pre-amp. Look in very nice condition. Worth every penny of the £385 asking price. Good trustworthy seller too. These are fine sounding units, they'll be snapped up quickly!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2220169939...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
I don't know if anyone on here is interested in cassette but I've just listed this:
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...746303&alt=web
Seemed too good to chuck and I've no idea if it's worth anything to list as a classified. I might not even make the starting price for collection!
Tannoy Devon speakers looking a bit crap. What's even worse is the seller's asking price. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tannoy-Dev...YAAOSwB4NWtzFF
I don't want to live on this planet any more!!
S.
I don't use cassette any more,but that has me drooling.:stalks::stalks::stalks:
Denon PMA-350SE integrated amp with rare optional phono stage. Great sounding bit of kit!
Opening price £55, no bids yet, ends tomorrow. (half tempted myself, but do I need another?)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Denon-PMA-...sAAOSwL7VWmRzl
Quote:
Originally Posted by walpurgis
Yes!
S.
Quote:
Originally Posted by walpurgis
No you really don't - coz I want it! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by southall-1998
nah, its mine ;)
There's one for sale on here too if you want one: http://theartofsound.net/forum/showt...3067-Few-itemsQuote:
Originally Posted by guyhayton
Why the major love for a mid-fi old Denon amp - am I missing something? :scratch:
Marco.
Not a bad amp actually. one of their best efforts,and for the money, very hard to beat Marco. I'm not really needing one tbh, but hey, sometimes you just go with the horn:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Marco
I'd rather have the Katana cd player in PE
It's a remarkably good amp Marco.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Lol - ok, I'll take your word for it! Personally, I'd rather have this:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Denon-POA-...kAAOSwI-BWKPWv
Like Rotel, they made some pretty capable pre/power combos, back in the day, which went under the radar of your average 'Buy British' obsessed audiophile! ;)
Marco.
Yeah, but that's around ten times what the PMA-350SE goes for. Making it a total bargain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Lets put it this way. If you had one driving your Ditton 15XRs, you'd be astonished how good it was. :trust: :)
Because their excellent budget maybe superb yes.....They knock the giant A400's in the water....Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Using one currently sure is excellent and with gale speakers would you believe :wowzer:
Bit of fun my good man try one i dare you...:cool:
Lolz - ok, noted! ;)
Marco.