This is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by sondale
This is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by sondale
And besides its politically incorrect to discriminate between a black Rega belt and a white Rega belt :) innit?
Ron :argument:
Hi Ron,
Just a quickie... Did you notice this post of mine, regarding your query about SUTs:
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showt...909#post185909
:)
Marco.
I was a Sondek user for 26 years. My Sondek was Lingo/Cirkus/Ekos2/ArkivBoron. It now sits in a box. My Ekos and Arkiv are doing good service on a 1210. I listened to Radikal SE Sondeks on several occasions but decided that the money was better spent on other items as my Technics was preferable to the 15 grand Sondek. It simply holds a note better. And a tune. Nearly 30 years I've been going to dems. I'm not tone deaf, and the Technics has superb speed stability which keeps notes and tunes beautifully consistent in a way that many belt drive decks don't manage. To prefer a Rega (albeit an excellent deck for a belt drive) I infer that Marc is someone who is more interested in the 'sound' than in the tune or the rhythm.
Thanks Marco for the info, I did miss it (how, I don't know) and the advice is welcomed. Now well read and re-read. For cost sake I'll go with the onboard Naim S input (MM).Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Ron :)
Hope my quirky outlook and humour does not offend... Would you believe I'm a colonial boy who supports Celtic and Barcelona, dinkum mate :lol:
The more I read the email that Marco received from Marc "drama queen" Phillips, the more convinced I become that Phillips could very, very easily be a furry, because he suffers from the following diseases:
- USI (Unwarranted Self-Importance)
- FC (Fursecution Complex)
- SA (Self-Aggrandization)
- DQC (Drama Queen Complex)
Here's Marc's response to my offer him of joining AoS to put forward his views:
Guys, I think we'll just have to leave it there.Quote:
Hi Marco,
After perusing the responses in the thread (and congratulations for actually printing my email), I'll have to decline. I continue to see factual error after factual error in the responses to my email, and I don't have all day to address them. I'm an old veteran of Usenet and I know how flame wars can be utterly time consuming and if I joined your forum it would just be more of the same bullshit. I have a HUGE problem with people who act nasty on the Internet and then play the sympathy card when they encounter someone who can dish it right back at them. Your forum has several of those individuals on board, and I just don't respect them enough to give them my attention. I seriously considered your offer, however, so thanks for extending it.
I do suggest that your forum members read my other articles that addressed the SL1200 before they mouth off any more. I spent over two years investigating the 1200 and wrote several articles for TONEAudio, Perfect Sound Forever and AudioENZ, and I was offered unlimited resources to explore and find out the truth. After all was said and done, I still remain unimpressed with the sound of the SL1200. Unless your members do their homework, their responses to my original 2006 article seem woefully irrelevant and incorrect.
It all comes down to this: for every anonymous Internet jerk who took offense to what I said and tried to attack me on audio forums, there were at least three engineers or real audio guys in working in the industry who told me I was right on. I also had one of the leading engineers in the audio industry, a well-known guy with a Ph.D in electrical engineering, acting as my technical editor. The people who took issue to what I said seldom presented facts to support their view; more often than not they engaged in the same infantile insults and name-calling as your forum members. They would also refuse to identify themselves. Why should I take them seriously? But I do get it: people don't like to be told that they made a poor buying decision. It hurts their feelings and makes them feel stupid. So they lash out.
Thanks for your time. I won't be checking in periodically, so feel free to say whatever you will about me. Or, as one audio manufacturer told me, "Don't worry about slamming those fools on the Internet...none of them are actually buying audio gear anyway. Fire away."
Marc
The problem is that we base our opinions in audio on our experiences to date. This is natural, although the more open-minded amongst us will continually review our opinions, updating them as necessary, when new information is received which renders any previously held opinions obsolete. However some are more stubborn than most, and thus less willing to embrace change, remaining forever victims of their personal biases.
Others and my experiences to date here when comparing the modified SL-1200/1210 against unexceptional mid-market belt-drive turntables, like Regas, are totally at odds to those of Marc's, and so until we either experience what he's heard, or vice versa, it's a bit like the 'irresistible force vs. the immovable object', in that neither 'side' are going to concede their ground.
It's a pity that Marc's unfortunate way of expressing himself, portrayed in his style of writing, where he does come across as rather arrogant and condescending, caused the initial reaction it did when we were presented with the article he wrote in 2006. Had it been more considerately written, and less full of prejudice and dogma, then I feel sure that the outcome of any subsequent exchange with him would've been rather different.
Anyway, the invitation for Marc to join AoS remains, should he change his mind, so I guess we can now all return to listening to our crappy 'DJ decks', and try and console ourselves somehow from missing out in the sonic joys of a Rega or Mitchell.... ;)
Marco.
No, I'm not leaving it here.
He says, and I quote:
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there were at least three engineers or real audio guys in working in the industry who told me I was right on.
Why doesn't he identify his experts? I'm really sick of the "some argue" kind of thing. He doesn't cite sources, so his points are moot and worthless. He's a self-aggrandizing wannabe audio guru whose only claim to fame (or infamy) is his arrogance and USI (Unwarranted Self-Importance).Quote:
I also had one of the leading engineers in the audio industry, a well-known guy with a Ph.D in electrical engineering, acting as my technical editor.
Oh, he also said...
Hmmm... Was that audio manufacturer perhaps and by any chance the proprietor of Virtual Dynamics? If that's the case, then Marc Phillips is not just FAIL, but EPIC FAIL. As for the name-calling he started against you, kudos to you for not firing back at him on the spot - it seems our little drama queen Marc Phillips can't accept the mere existence of an opposite opinion and as for facts, I want to see them. With measurements and everything, NOT the hocus-pocus voodoo snake oil thing that saddles the audio community.Quote:
Or, as one audio manufacturer told me, "Don't worry about slamming those fools on the Internet...none of them are actually buying audio gear anyway. Fire away."
Fair enough, Konstantinos. I do agree in some ways with what you've written, although, sadly, I doubt we'll ever get an answer to your questions, unless Marc decides to respond further.
For reference, this is what I wrote to him:
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Hi Marc,
No problem. We're poles apart on this, so it's probably best now to leave it there. However, I would draw your attention to my lastest entry on AoS:
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showt...836#post186836
...noting this in particular:
"It's a pity that Marc's unfortunate way of expressing himself, portrayed in his style of writing, where he does come across as rather arrogant and condescending, caused the initial reaction it did when we were presented with the article he wrote in 2006. Had it been more considerately written, and less full of prejudice and dogma, then I feel sure that the outcome of any subsequent exchange with him would've been rather different."
You won't agree, of course, but for me, that's why you got the reaction you did. It's certainly why I initially responded so negatively to your article, and probably also why the author did.
May I may offer you some advice?
The best way, in any debate, of making one's arguments convincing, is not to ridicule the opposition, but rather to show understanding of their viewpoint, and then work on convincing them differently through mutual knowledge and respect.
You failed to do that, which is why I fear that a 'them and us' situation will always prevail between your 'adversaries' in audio and you. This is something you may wish to consider in future.
Anyway, I wish you well in whatever you do.
Best regards,
Marco.
Marco.
Also add documentation and justification of one's opinion through some things called facts and credible sources. That's what I learned during my years as a student, that's what I practice as an educator now, that's what I teach my students.
Without facts, credible sources and proper justification and documentation, I cannot take anyone's claims seriously; I stopped taking the most well-known Greek audio magazine seriously when a prominent reviewer said that the classic tone of a Fender Stratocaster's rear (bridge) pickup is that of a humbucker (dual coil design, both coils in phase and connected in series), whereas every electric guitarist knows that the Stratocaster has always been specified as a guitar with three single-coil pickups and that humbuckers in the bridge (initially) and neck (later) position started being installed in the late '70s by customizers like Schecter, Charvel, Mighty Mite, DiMarzio etc.
As a reader, I absolutely demand that the author/reviewer/journalist/whatever knows what he's talking about. And if an ignorant (and ill-mannered, like Phillips) author tries to ridicule those who demand a proper justification and documentation of what he says, he has to know that the Internet is an unforgiving, cruel bitch.