Richard's hi-fi ranting 'Room 101'

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Originally Posted by jcbrum

Gross salary, say 4k per month,- rent, heat, light, water, and rates, say 1k, - plant and equipment renewal and transport say 300pm,

Thats a total of £63k pa. / £180 = 350 units pa sold just to break even ! No chance !

That's more than one sale a day for every working day of the year without fail ! 2 a day shows a good profit. 1 a week is a horrendous loss.

There's no way that NVA is much more than an expensive hobby, but there's nothing wrong with that as long as you don't expect to operate to the same standards as a real manufacturer.

If it's a livelihood you're looking for, look elsewhere Chris, but I expect Richard knows all this.

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This is not a company, I do not pay myself a salary.

My living is my business and I am very happy with it. I work when I want, I play when I want. I have no debts, I pay for everything upfront, I owe no one and no one owes me. I am sitting on about £20k of component stocks and suppliers are bending over backwards to supply me. I work from home (with all the relevent permissions). I roll out of bed when I want, I work until I don't want to. My other job is a pleasure I would do even if I paid for the privilege and pleasure to do it.

My life couldn't be better apart from I have to move into a bigger house as I need more storage in order to relaunch the Statement Range and Cube and Cubix loudspeaker designs. Also sometime this summer I will have re-register for VAT which is something I didn't want to do, but I am right on the limit now, that is a pain in the arse and will put 17.5% on the price straight away.

I am so fit to weather this recession it is perfect. WHY mainly because I don't have retailers paying me late, if at all. I have the right potential customers and the right price. Plus I don't care how many sales happen, I don't have to chase them, I don't have to market myself.

Lets see who is still with us when this recession has run its course. Not many I will be bound, a good process, and natural selection will take its course in this process and no amount of marketing, amateur or professional, will stop the grim reaper taking his toll.

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Originally Posted by Marco

'Course he does. Didn't you know that Richard is a male stripper and provides much entertainment for the local nursing homes :eyebrows:

Earns a fortune so he does!

Marco.

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If someone would pay to see me take my clothes off they have a serious taste problem.

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Originally Posted by Shian7

Ding Ding!!!

Round, whatever! :lolsign:

Bring on the monkeys and exploding clown cars!... HONK HONK!

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I say I say I say, my dog has no nose

Really how does he smell?

Like a hi-fi retailer / marketing mans armpit at the start of a recession :lol::lol::lol::lolsign::ner::ner:

Feel the fear.

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Originally Posted by Richard

You see wrong idea, wrong concept, a marketing mans view on the world. "Unless you grow you die" "Quantity before quality" - tesco tomatoes v the ones my wife grow in her greenhouse. Radio 3 is now a business, it should have stayed a service. I am not in the slightest bit interested in seeing my audience grow unless it is because they find their way *up* to it, DEFINITELY not by me lowering my standards to meet them. The lowest common denominator is always the province of the marketing man as he always wants more. It is why the world is in the state that it is in. What the hell is wrong with wanting less, if that less means more quality. Less people, less raping the planet, less polution, less politics, less marketing, more quality v quantity, more satisfaction, more understanding, more reality. Keep living your marketing mans dreams and delusions Ashley, in the end you just might rule the world and grow to encompass everything. Me I am happy with what I am given.

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Excellent post, thank you. I like "quality-ist" too, superb :)

Richard - I think your argument is absurd as proved by Henry Ford in the desert in WWI. His model T's were just as reliable as Rolls-Royce Silver Ghosts, at their peak, Ford were making nearly as many in a day as their entire production too.

The idea of small volume production meaning better quality is arrant nonsense, Human Beings make mistakes, computer based assembly systems don't and are far more accurate.

The British Watch and Clock Industry was put out of business by the Americans and the Swiss too, because they failed to adopt volume production techniques that lowered the price and improved performance and reliability.

Pride comes from doing a proper job at a proper price and having real customer satisfaction and a verging on zero failure rate!

I love and admire craft skills, I even consult to several small engineering companies restoring Rolls-Royce and other valuable cars, but this is the past and it's rewarding in its own way, however one thing that it teaches me is that modern methods and the latest technology are best.

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Originally Posted by Ashley James

Richard - I think your argument is absurd as proved by Henry Ford in the desert in WWI. His model T's were just as reliable as Rolls-Royce Silver Ghosts, at their peak, Ford were making nearly as many in a day as their entire production too.

The idea of small volume production meaning better quality is arrant nonsense, Human Beings make mistakes, computer based assembly systems don't and are far more accurate.

The British Watch and Clock Industry was put out of business by the Americans and the Swiss too, because they failed to adopt volume production techniques that lowered the price and improved performance and reliability.

Pride comes from doing a proper job at a proper price and having real customer satisfaction and a verging on zero failure rate!

I love and admire craft skills, I even consult to several small engineering companies restoring Rolls-Royce and other valuable cars, but this is the past and it's rewarding in its own way, however one thing that it teaches me is that modern methods and the latest technology are best.

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I don't know why I bother it is a complete waste of time as you are just stuck in marketing speak. The Dinosaur who doesn't realise he is on the verge of extinction. The world is changing, you just haven't noticed yet. Everything is in place for the changes, Henry Ford and the USA in general has *had* its time. All it needs is the catalyst and it looks like it has arrived and appropriately on the back of and caused by US marketing speak in selling *concepts* and things that don't exist. Fundementals never change and bubbles always burst. The US housing sub prime market has pricked the bubble, the powers that be are fighting like mad to slow down its deflation. BUT like the Dutch kid with his finger in the Dyke the natural realm of reality will not be held back.

Who has caused it, fanancial markets marketing men, finding new delusions to foist on people. You are a dying breed Ashley start thinking of finding new skills. Growing real tomatoes in small quantity, that could be a way, enjoying them, and not looking for a way of marketing them into more sales, bigger profits, greater turnover, bigger marketing meetings and lunches, and more bullshit bullshit bullshit.

Bye bye dinosaur, I wish I could say it has been good talking to you.

Har Har Har, you mean like David Hembrow changing from a software person to a wicker basket maker, oh yeah sure, wotevvah, ammabovvered, lookamma faice, innitt !

When the chips are down about .0000001% can afford a £50 wicker basket, everyone else will buy a £2 polybin.

What modern hifi is about is excellent sound from downloads and cd's.

A Mac laptop and (good quality) digital active speakers is all you need.

Everything else is obsolete junk. (except TT's)

It's like when electronic calculators replaced slide rules, and I should think there's more demand world wide for gas-mantles than valve-amps.

Here's a free ad for you David.

Best wishes and good luck, we need all sorts, JC.

http://www.hembrow.eu/personal/eo.html

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Originally Posted by jcbrum

Har Har Har, you mean like David Hembrow changing from a software person to a wicker basket maker, oh yeah sure, wotevvah, ammabovvered, lookamma faice, innitt !

When the chips are down about .0000001% can afford a £50 wicker basket, everyone else will buy a £2 polybin.

What modern hifi is about is excellent sound from downloads and cd's.

A Mac laptop and (good quality) digital active speakers is all you need.

Everything else is obsolete junk. (except TT's)

It's like when electronic calculators replaced slide rules, and I should think there's more demand world wide for gas-mantles than valve-amps.

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Your talking bollocks per usual - the other half of the clown double act. NO RETAILERS - NO MARKETING MEN means better quality (cos you can afford to add extra) AND lower price.

Watch when Nokia and Apple etc go completely on line and cut all you hangers on out of your slurp. Prices will drop because of having to survive a recession.

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Originally Posted by jcbrum

Here's a free ad for you David.

Best wishes and good luck, we need all sorts, JC.

http://www.hembrow.eu/personal/eo.html

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Who is David? now you are even getting your threads mixed up - matches your muddled thinking perfectly.

I've moved this thread to the Blank Canvass where it deserves to be. We can have two Richard threads - a room 101 for non-hi-fi rants and a room 102 for this.

Richard, I find myself agreeing with pretty much everything you write. :)

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Originally Posted by Richard

NO RETAILERS - NO MARKETING MEN means better quality (cos you can afford to add extra) AND lower price.

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Then how do people find out about product? This goes for the wider world of electronics as well as HiFi.

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Originally Posted by Chris Frost

Then how do people find out about product? This goes for the wider world of electronics as well as HiFi.

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The web - forums - face book type things and community - you ain't seen nothing yet. In 10 years the world is a different place - shops are for cafes, restaurants and estate agents. AND hopefully not eatate agents. Tesco is starting to sell houses for you on line!!!!!!

How can I have only just discovered this thread?

Splendid stuff! Keep up the excellent work Richard.

JCB & Ashley, you just don't get it do you? :)

Richard,

Have you considered a career in Politics?
Some good points in there too.

Ashley and Jcb, sort of head/sand syndrome going on there!

Tut tut, whats wrong with you all?

AVI is the only game in town you know. The iPod and all it's associated excellent add-ons and sycophants will rule the world soon!


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Then how do people find out about product? This goes for the wider world of electronics as well as HiFi.

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Originally Posted by Richard

The web - forums - face book type things and community - you ain't seen nothing yet.

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Isn't that just marketing by a different name?

I don't think it's the 'marketing' part thats the problem. It's the 'men'!

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how so?

Richard is (largely) referring to a certain 'duo' of marketing men who are apparently trying to take over several threads in an attempt to promote a certain product!

As well as a tendency for such folk to add heaps onto the price of products in general.

I think!

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Originally Posted by Chris Frost

Isn't that just marketing by a different name?

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Nope it is community - people.

Example the number of students at facebook that has recently caused HBOS to change policy because the community got together and outed them over stitch up student loans.

Marketing is a "think" and the individuals are corporate shadows, no longer real people. Robots of the "never mind the taste sell the sizzle" culture. Image is more important than reality "think".

So HiFi and consumer electronics goods should be sold like value brand baked beans and bread is sold in supermarkets?

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Originally Posted by Shian7

Richard is (largely) referring to a certain 'duo' of marketing men who are apparently trying to take over several threads in an attempt to promote a certain product!

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I keep telling you JC is simply and enthusiastic customer and this is not the place to sell AVI, you lot are the very antithesis of our customers.

As for taking over any other threads, I've never been near Wigwam, not even registered, and they've been at it for a year, but I've done a month on PF and had enough. As I've already said, nothing on any of these forums has had a measurable effect on our business or the numbers visiting our site, which has remained at between 300 and 400 uniques a day.

It's fun to argue with people who are a total anathema to me but it's no help to my business whatsoever, so don't flatter yourselves.

I don't mind trying to put across a differing viewpoint but that's as far as it goes.

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Originally Posted by Ashley James

I keep telling you JC is simply and enthusiastic customer and this is not the place to sell AVI

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You have told me no such thing, actually.

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Originally Posted by Ashley James

so don't flatter yourselves.

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:scratch: Exactly how am I supposed to feel flattered? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Ashley James

I've never been near Wigwam, not even registered, and they've been at it for a year, but I've done a month on PF and had enough.

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I've never been on Wigwam either. I am a member on PF but have not posted there for a couple of years.

Ashley,

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I keep telling you JC is simply and enthusiastic customer and this is not the place to sell AVI, you lot are the very antithesis of our customers.

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I've got no doubt that's exactly what JC is because I wouldn't like to think you were a liar. I'm very glad that 'us lot' are the very antithesis of your customers - I wouldn't have it any other way! :)

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As for taking over any other threads, I've never been near Wigwam, not even registered, and they've been at it for a year, but I've done a month on PF and had enough.

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What's Wigwam got to do with it? I don't mind you "taking over" threads providing what you're discussing is relevant and not just blatant promoting of AVI. I've enjoyed our little 'spats' so far!

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As I've already said, nothing on any of these forums has had a measurable effect on our business or the numbers visiting our site, which has remained at between 300 and 400 uniques a day.

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That doesn't surprise me. Why should what's written on audio forums affect how many hits your website gets? I would have thought most of your customers don't go near audio forums. That's not necessarily a gauge though on how discerning they are.

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It's fun to argue with people who are a total anathema to me...

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That's funny. I was thinking the very same thing myself!

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I don't mind trying to put across a differing viewpoint but that's as far as it goes.

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And it's a pleasure to have you here offering your opinion - long may it continue.

Perhaps lay off championing the computer audio/ADM9 thing for a bit? I'd like to hear more about Ashley James the person, his audio history, and his views on other aspects of hi-fi and music than Ashley James boss of AVI promoting his latest products ;)

Perhaps you could oblige?

Marco.

Happily, I get fed up with defending them, but bloody furious when stupid and ill informed comments are made about them.

I notice comments about bigger speakers being better and having a greater scale than little ones and this is somewhere that I'm very well qualified to comment, having spent years selling and installing monsters in Studios and in homes including my own. I love them although with proper amplifiers controlling the bass properly, not wimpy little horrors. My speaker test amps here produce up to 1200 Watts and 100 Amps and still measure at least 20dB better than certain others.

I'm beginning to think there are too many problems in passive three-way speakers for them to fully better the best two-ways though, although they are obviously (proper ones properly designed) much louder, they are a bit harsher because it's impossible to stop the crossovers from being audible through the Mid.

B & W's Diamond Series is one possible solution, they've moved the top crossover up to 5kHz, I think they are relying on the natural roll-off of the Mid and a simple fliter on the Tweeter. This just leaves the Bass/Mid to bugger things up! I'm told it's much better than the previous models that did suffer from an irritating metal tweeter jangling in the Mid.

Hello chaps, at ease.

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Originally Posted by Chris Frost

So HiFi and consumer electronics goods should be sold like value brand baked beans and bread is sold in supermarkets?

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Don't be daft!

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Originally Posted by Mr. C

Richard,

Have you considered a career in Politics?

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If I ever do please shoot me.

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So HiFi and consumer electronics goods should be sold like value brand baked beans and bread is sold in supermarkets?

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Originally Posted by Richard

Don't be daft!

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I'm not being daft, and don't be so condescending. I'm simply trying to understand your vision of the new HiFi landscape. Fair enough?

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Originally Posted by Chris Frost

I'm not being daft, and don't be so condescending. I'm simply trying to understand your vision of the new HiFi landscape. Fair enough?

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I don't have (a) vision.

"who needs eyes when you have glasses" (Dr Bunsen Honeydew)

AND why should I repeat posts that are in the archive just because you cannot be arsed to go and look.

FYI, I did read through past posts. It's the reason why I'm asking questions. TBH, all the bickering over the AVI product made the thread quite tedious to read.

Perhaps you're not in the mood to discuss, or you've just got the hump, I don't know. :confused:

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Originally Posted by Chris Frost

FYI, I did read through past posts. It's the reason why I'm asking questions. TBH, all the bickering over the AVI product made the thread quite tedious to read.

Perhaps you're not in the mood to discuss, or you've just got the hump, I don't know. :confused:

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All together now - "kay sera sera, what ever will be will be, the futures not ours to see, kay sera sera"

Only one thing is for certain it *will* be different to what we predict. BUT also what is certain is that the status quo has run its course. Chaos theory will come up with an alternative. A butterfly flaps its wings at the wrong time in the Amazon rain forest and we all turn gay :lolsign::lol::lol:

err....riiight :scratch:

Chaos theory says 1 in 4 is already gay ! well if it's not me it must be one of you 3 shirtlifters ;)

My wife says thats offensive!

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Who needs chaos theory when it's not clear if it's Kay or Sarah that Richard is talking about! (Que sera, sera...Italian, I think!).

Previous subject matter seems to have moved on a bit. Must have lost the plot again. Ranting seems to have abated somewhat; is this the calm before the storm?

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Who needs chaos theory when it's not clear if it's Kay or Sarah that Richard is talking about! (Que sera, sera...Italian, I think!).

Previous subject matter seems to have moved on a bit. Must have lost the plot again. Ranting seems to have abated somewhat; is this the calm before the storm?

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I am sure you are right I just remember the song.

Its just another example of how the forum has been hi-jacked. I have lost the rant motivation as I just end up shaking my head in disbelief at every continuing post from Ashley and JC.

What would you like to happen then, Richard? Name it (within reason) and I'll do it :)

Marco.

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Originally Posted by Marco

What would you like to happen then, Richard? Name it (within reason) and I'll do it :)

Marco.

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Give me this thread like you offered to kick them out of.

And you can rename it the Ashley and JC free thread.

LOL, no probs. I'm right in the middle of something else at the moment, so bear with me :)

Marco.

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Originally Posted by Marco

LOL, no probs. I'm right in the middle of something else at the moment, so bear with me :)

Marco.

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Ready yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What do I do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

C'mon, c'mon, c'mon I NEEEEEEEED to rant in freedom from AVI.

Richard,

I've looked at the software and it seems there isn't the facility to allow a member to moderate one room only. You would have to become a moderator of the whole forum, and I'm not sure that's such a good idea ;)

The software on the previous forum I had allowed you to tailor a member's permissions in that way but not on VBulletin. Sorry about that :(

However, I'll be speaking to a VBulletin expert later today about another matter, and if there's a way round this I'll sort it out and let you know :)

In the meantime if you would like me to tell Ashley and jc not to post in 'your' room then I will do that.

Marco.

Surely a constructive debate with all comers would be most interesting to all.

I haven't kept up properly, what happened to room 101 ?

Guys,

Please see the latest message on the notice board.

Marco.

It's just a ban under another name.

not a good approach.

It leaves every one free to discuss to discuss Nene Valley Audio and Pure sound, as much as they like.

This places a label on the forum and it's members of the most offensive kind and suggests they are simply not prepared to debate on an equal footing, and are relegated to the fan club of a person like Richard.

I am afraid that I cannot be associated with such mentally unhealthy practices and would not wish anyone to regard me as associated with such actionor such a forum.

You got this one wrong Marco. Good bye.

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Originally Posted by jcbrum

I haven't kept up properly, what happened to room 101 ?

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So I HAVE lost the plot, AND have company to boot! Whoever mentioned chaos theory had their finger on the button for sure!!!

Likewise, J.C., I didn't detect the change from 101 to 102, but that's inflation for you!

RICHARD, Would you REALLY want to rant without incurring returning fire? A unilateral rant? This would almost become CANT (no, I haven't spelt that wrongly).

Keep up the good work, chaps. This thread may disappear into the wilderness in early course, but not before a few laughs have been had.

Now there's a thought; a ranting moderator. Throw convention to the wind, Marco!