It's Paul trying to look as happy as you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mains Cables R Us
The Furutech brush is a winner except the handle fell off and I haven't got any chewing gum.
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It's Paul trying to look as happy as you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mains Cables R Us
The Furutech brush is a winner except the handle fell off and I haven't got any chewing gum.
Paul's cleaning fluid is top notch.......but being a tight wad, I am now making my own :doh:
A rather ‘fanciful’ view of events, if ever there was one, so best not go there! Besides, you’re still here, so obviously you haven’t been ‘hounded off’ ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mains Cables R Us
Marco.
That's what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLS
Having just ordered an Okki Nokki, I found this thread really useful.
How effective is the Milty Zerostat in this process?
Is it worth the investment?
Static can be an issue and the Milty Zerostat does work.
It is a bit pricey.
This would be just as effective http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/stat_trap_e.html
Static guns are great. The one I have is old but still works but intend getting a zerostat next
They work quite well if you put one against somebody and pull the trigger. Zap! Ouch! :D
I sell about 10 a week and for the money they are a no brainer, £50 doesn't even buy a decent meal out these days! Or a decent bottle of vintage port! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by struth
I'll come to you then. Didn't know you sold em
After reading many threads and watching many YouTube vids, I've come to the conclusion that the below link seems to be both very effective and simple ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3WCUH9f-_g
- No RCM required.
- No vacuuming - what's left will evaporate
- No using the sink and running water.
- In fact no need for distilled water either (just the fluid).
- No risk of using anything home-brew.
What do you think?
I think, you'll improve the record, but it still wont measure up to the standard you'll reach with vacuuming off the excess fluids and dissolved grit.
Don't think it'll do any harm though...
And, i would prefer this method on an old turntable. It's a lot easier when the disc is turning by itself, or manually turned.
Theres often the argument of "i dont use a platter on a RCM as all the crud from the uncleaned side will infest the freshly cleaned siden on turning over".
Nahhh! The part of the disc that comes into contact with the occasional dust bug is not where the needle thrives.
Besides, just swipe the platter off with a moistured microfibre cloth or similar.
Mike
Not a very good method at all. In fact looking at some of the other 'cleaning' vids on utube there are an awful lot of people out there in denial about record cleaning.
All that method will do is move the crud around the record, the amount that will lift off with the brush will be minimal. Yes it will clean fingerprints and some surface dust away but these things make very little improvement to the sound since it is the debris in the grooves that causes clicks and pops and general background noise. I notice he doesn't give us a before and after listen to the record, unlike the bloke who uses a similar method but with window cleaning spray. (His record is improved but still unacceptably noisy after treatment).
To properly clean a record you need to suspend all the crud in solution and then vacuum it off. There is no more effective way of doing it apart from perhaps ultra sonic.
This is probably as good a place as any to publicly thank Ali tait for the tip-off about the phk rcm. Arrived today. Awesome. Maybe not a piece of furniture like a nitty-gritty but does the job at least as well as the moth I used before.
The big attraction, apart from the under $200 price tag, and fabulous customer service? It's so tiny. It just tucks out of sight in any cupboard. The moth is a big ugly lump to have in the house.
And combined with a Dyson hoover the record is dry in one revolution. Very impressed. :)
Very interesting Richard i may have to look into one. However having a big Record cleaning machine is all part of the Hi-Fi Enthusiast Equipment bragging Syndrome innit?
Only if you tell everyone you have one and how wonderful it is ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Barbarian
:sofa:
Timbo, since it's really good for removing (deeply-ingrained) ‘skidders' from adult nappies and/or puke stains from bibs and Baby-Gros [so I’m told], I’m surprised you don’t have one! :lol: :ner:
Marco.
Tis' on my shopping list for the future if I'm being honest ;)
:D :eyebrows:
Marco.
Actually bought two new LPs this week, still don't have anything to play them on though :scratch:
:lolsign:
It's not perfect I know - but it's the next best method without the need to vacuum. I personally would be happy to use this technique with collectable records. This method also looks better than using a spinclean contraption.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macca
What the hell does 4/5th's mean? :D Looks like 2/3rd's to me
What do you guys use to dispense the cleaning product?
Just a "squeezey" plastic bottle?
I use old caps from Fairy liquid washup bottles. They work perfect for me and fits just perfect on the 1/2 litre bottles of aqua purificata i buy from the pharmacy.
Have tried flower shower bottles and chemical laboratory dispenser bottles, both were worse than the flip top corks.
/M
i use a finger press atomiser bottle. works a treat. i just shield label with something as it rotates. easy and effective.
As said elsewhere i finally got round to making up my first small batch of my recipe record cleaning fluid. its expensive stuff so as i had most of the ingredients to hand thought i would try it.
I cleaned 2 records as a trial a few days ago and finally got round to playing them.
well, I can report that the discs sound great. especially the old bluegrass one. its an old 1963 monoaural recording on the Epic label. its never sounded better.
I'm a happy bunny:D
So how does it taste, then? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by struth
Marco.
I have at last made up my own mix to Paul's (ReffC) recipe or thereabouts. I made two mixes:
25/75 plus .5%
40/60 plus .5%
IPA / deionised & distilled / Ilfotol
I use .5% Ilfotol as this is the minimum recommended by the manufacturer, and it just starts to 'soap up' when the records are scrubbed.
I used this instead of my out of date l'Art du Son fluid in a big pump Loricraft. The l'AdS fluid had done alright, and was not evolving new life forms or growing filaments or anything of the kind, just a bottle of clear fluid beyond its best before date mixed and used as required.
Four observations: 1. The home brew fluid spreads much better across the surface and into the grooves with less 'dry grooves'. 2. There is much less fluid spilled off the side of the records. 3. The amount of fluid used per record is significantly higher, maybe becuase it stays on the records or maybe because it coats the surface so much more evenly. 4. The records come up much much quieter than with my l'AdS fluid.
Delighted, I shan't be going back. I have no beef with the l'AdS fluid, it did fine and it was beyond its best before date, but the home brew does so much better, the 25% mix is perfect for nice nick vinyl whilst the 40% helps enormously on those grimy treasures that my charity shop habit throws up.
It takes an hour of ones time to get the bits off amazon and then mix them up when they arrive. I have 5L of cleaning fluid, enough for an army of vinyl, and I'm about £40 down. Of that I will still have 95% of the Ilfotol left once the fluid is gone, so that's about 500 albums really clean for £31 I guesstimate, or 6p an album. Thanks all for the advice in this thread :)
Here's a snap of the fluid on the rcm to give an idea:
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/...-RCM-fluid.jpg
The dose of ilfatol should be about 5 mil max to a litre. that way it wont froth.its all you need to break surface tension.
its quite sharp...also takes hair off your chest:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Ah me thinks you following the London jazz club formula.Quote:
Originally Posted by struth
Nice one, dude… Does it keep your thingy ‘standing proud’ for longer, too? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by struth
Marco.
nope! ...but it sure is clean:eyebrows:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
its similar but not quite the same.:eyebrows:Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie123
Hehehehe… Now try it with those ingrained ‘skidders’, on your Shiatsu! You might have to leave the fluid ‘cooking’ for a while, though…. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by struth
Marco.
Remember getting my todge soaked in industrial grade acetone :stalks: was working on a pump and it still had some pressure in it. about 2 pints of the stuff siaked at pressure over the area ..I was in back of the truck at side of busy road...got some strange looks as i stripped off the dungerees right down to buff in record time...lol. it was swollen for a week...the wife did larf..
I recall similar situations at a place I worked at very many years ago, where the favourite nasty trick was to throw a bunch of rag soaked in Trichlorethylene at the front of a victim's trousers. They'd be hopping about in pain within seconds and rushing off to the changing rooms.
So, how do you shift stubborn dust bugs?
Ive never done anything daft at work. However i do remember a funny incident when i was at the Woodworking company. I worked with a bloke that was quite frankly a pig when he was eating his lunch, the food used to swill around his gob in the same manner you washing would in a washing machine! One Dinner time id had enough of his slopping. I made my self a cuppa Tea on the work bench, placed the red hot Tea bag on the spoon & launched it towards him, the idea was for it to splatter on the double doors at the side of him to temp stop him making his slopping sound go away but my shot was much better than i thought, it landed right in his chops :D
Any recommendations for a good cleaning brush please?Quote:
Originally Posted by CageyH
Is the MoFi one any good?
Since i am from Sweden and the Tarkett solution (mentioned earlier in this thread)that we use for cleaning vinyl floors is also from sweden.
Its organic just like Lart du son.I use both and i cant see any difference at all.
I mix tarkett just the same as Lart du son 10ml/500ml distilled water and use the Tarkett solution first and the L art du son as a second rinsing,as a third i use distilled water and 1ml/500ml ilfotol wetting agent,all these mixtures are pure organic.
This way i keep the cost down ,the L´art du son is quite expensive.
http://www.ilfordphoto.com/products/product.asp?n=44
http://www.bjoorn.se/p/Rengoring/879...oclean-1-liter
The bioclean cost about 10£ in sweden i guess it´s sold in UK as well,I think its just as good as L art du son and it will last a lifetime.
The best brushes you can use are found in stores where they sell paint and brushes,the pads for straight corner
This is what they look like.
http://www.anza.se/sortiment/rollers...hjuldyna~p8249
There are other makers as well,i guiess you have some in UK that look the same.
You just change the pads when they are too dirty or just rinse them with som cleaning detergent and water and let them dry they last a long time.
Much better than long hair vpi brushes and the likes.
Just soak them in the solution,you are about to use.
I use corks that you cand find on energy drink or sport bottles that you can pull up when you drink and then seal them by pushing it down.
(Since i am Swedeish I don´t know how to explain this but i think you know what i mean)
I have three of them for each of the three solutions i use.
I just hold them against the pads and rub them up and down and whip off the exess in the sink.
You dont have to doubt me i have done all of brushes mixed solutions that can be used.I have done it all during the last 30 years.
I use a VPI Machine and a homemade ultrasound cleaner.
Hope you can find all these things in UK or simular.
I dont use IPA or simular alcohol stuff.And i never will.
The stuff above is much better.
Regards Per Karlsson sweden
Sorry about no pictures i have to find out how to upload them.
Look at the
Yep I use 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by CageyH
A homemade ultrasonic cleaner sounds interesting, how was this made?
the bioclean is interesting. is it an enzyme cleaner?.I ve been using a us one but its expensiveQuote:
Originally Posted by doom2112
Yes the tarkett bioclean is biodegradeable (Hope thats right).
Acts just like the Lárt du son.
Smells not exactly like it but simular.
I have used it as a first rinse and the Lart du son as second tos ave the expensive hifi cleaner.
I cant tell any difference in sound between the two.
The smell is some sort of soap in both cases.
As i have said earlier the paintpads i use are very good much better than the expensive hifi stuff you can buy.
This is what i can find for UK
http://home.tarkett.co.uk/
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Solutioms-12.../dp/B002Q8HHZ0
You will have to call them and ask for the bioclean product.
Looking around for a good method to clean LP records, I found this bellow text coming from the famous Library of Congress.
Give a look, I think it worth's our attention and please let me know your opinion.
The link bellow:
http://www.loc.gov/preservation/care/record.html
"Cleaning Audio Visual Materials
Sound cleaning procedures for audio visual materials is different for each format. Cleaning of magnetic tape and of cylinders is a delicate undertaking and should be carried out only by a preservation specialist in these activities and is not covered here.
1. Pour 2 mL of Tergitol™ 15-S-7 Surfactant into a 4 L container (glass, stainless steel type 304 or 316, fiberglass-reinforced polyester, polyethylene, or polypropylene) and fill with deionized water, which results in a 0.05% solution.
2. Store the solution in a non-food refrigerator.
3. Store the pure Tergitol™ in its original container (preferably under nitrogen) in a non-food refrigerator.
4. Transfer only the amount of solution immediately needed to a spray bottle for manual cleaning or to the indicated container for mechanized cleaning.
5. To clean discs by hand: Spray the solution onto the surface of the grooved or optical disc; wipe off solution and surface contaminants with a non-abrasive, lint-free lens cloth; thoroughly rinse with deionized water; dry the disc with a dry, clean, nonabrasive, lint-free lens cloth.
5. To use the solution in a mechanized cleaner: Put just enough solution into the cleaner reservoir so that fresh solution is used each day or remove the solution every day and store in a non-food refrigerator; thoroughly rinse disc with deionized water (do not allow any cleaner solution to remain on disc); dry the disc with a dry, clean, nonabrasive, lint-free lens cloth.
Caution: Only persons trained in the safe handling and disposal of chemicals and hazardous wastes should prepare and use the Record Cleaning Solution. Personal protective equipment (PPE) should be worn during the preparation and use of the cleaning solution.
Safety Data Sheets (Material Safety Data Sheets) for Tergitol™ and for the Record Cleaning Solution. Because the Record Cleaning Solution contains less than 1% of Tergitol™, it does not have to be listed on the data sheet.
MSDS for Library of Congress Record Cleaning Solution [PDF: 65 KB / 4 p.]
DOW Surfactants: Tergitol™ 15-S Series External Link
Disclaimer:
The Library of Congress shares this information as a public service. The effectiveness of this cleaning solution has not been compared to commercial products and no guarantee is implied or intended that it will meet the needs of all users. Institutions or individuals who prepare or use the solution do so at their own risk. The Library of Congress will not be liable for any injury to any person, animal, or ecosystem, or for damage to any item resulting from the use of any of the materials, chemicals, or procedures described here".
Looking around for a good method to clean LP records, I found this bellow link,the famous Library of Congress.
Give a look, I think it worth's our attention and please let me know your opinion.
The link:
http://www.loc.gov/preservation/care/record.html
The problem is to find Tergitol™ 15-S-7 i have found it in USA but not in europe.
Mabye someone else can find it.