'Who cares? It's only thousands of years of our culture washed down the drain'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry
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'Who cares? It's only thousands of years of our culture washed down the drain'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry
Well it depends if you think its a good idea to invite people from a radically different culture to our lands, but why would you want that? This is the biggest issue of our times. It doesn't keep me up at night, but I worry for future generations. I mean how many terrorist incidents must it take for people to take action?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pigmy Pony
Utter nonsense - immigrants have enriched our culture for well over a thousand years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeandvan
Just look at our language, it is full of words derived from the French, German, Russian, Indian, and Arabic languages.
Immigrants have introduced a wealth of new ideas in cuisine; something up until the '70s, this country sorely needed.
Our state religion was introduced by an immigrant from North Africa, and advances in astronomy, mathematics and chemistry were thanks to Arab scholars.
If that's true then we're doing a lot better than any previous generation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeandvan
My teenage nieces and nephews are the next generation and they don't seem to have any issue with it at all. The difference is they've grown up with it being normal whereas for people our age it can seem a bit strange and disconcerting, I'll agree.
In the last 30 years my neighbourhood has gone from about 90 percent indigenous to about 50-50. It's actually a much more pleasant place to live than it was, although I'm not certain those two things are connected.
It was? I thought it was introduced by Henry VIII?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry
Christianity was introduced to Britain by saint Augustine. Maybe I should have said "originally".
Right - I thought by 'State Religion' you meant the Church Of England.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry
I mean Catholicism is Christian but it's not been the state religion for 400 years or so.
What's the other 50?Quote:
Originally Posted by Macca
You people have no foresight, if it's 50/50 now, what will it be in another 50 years? You may not notice these things causing issues in daily life, but there are undercurrents, like the introduction of blasphemy laws by the back door. The bending of our laws to suit some of these cultures, like having multiple wives (and yes they all get benefits!!). The re-introduction of religion into our society long after we're done with it, and not a nice 'soft' religion like the old CofE, but an intolerant and backwards one - Islam. This is nothing but cultural vandalism, by those old Marxists in power in Brussels and here in the UK.
Yes someone rolls out this old chestnut everytime the topic arises, I'm not saying we should be an ethno-nationalist state, what I am saying is we shouldn't be so ready to drown out our numbers with immigrants from what are radically, and i mean radically different cultures. This may sound racist, but its just true, that immigration from EU countries is far more beneficial to us than from teh W Indies, Asia or Africa (unless those immigrants are doctors), because face it they just fit in much better. My last girlfriend was Spanish, can you imagine her being a Muslim? I wouldn't even get past chatting to her if she was in burqa!Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry
Chestnuts they may be, but are germane to the discussion.
What you have now done, and I suspect you intended to do, is to raise the aspect of religion within a culture. That is a different discussion and one difficult to argue rationally and calmly.
All I can say is that if you think you love someone but can't accept their faith, then IMO you don't love them. So I can't imagine you falling for a devout Muslim woman who would be uncomfortable venturing out in public spaces without wearing, in her opinion, appropriate dress.
Exactly, radically different cultures, which goes beyond a lot more than just female attire. That attire represents something on the level of being a nun here in the West.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry
Unfortunately, in my experience ALL religions are to some extent misogynistic.
The Church of England has only permitted female bishops for the last ten years, but that does show that some change is possible. Though women cannot become catholic priests and I read that this is a matter of divine law and cannot be changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry
It is not just a matter of women not being able to officiate in religious ceremonies, they are treated differently in places of worship: where they sit; how close they are allowed to approach sacred objects, etc..
It is not only the Abrahamic religions that display this segregation, other world religions do so as well. Some of the reasons why are understandable, if unacceptable; others are just fundamentally dogmatic IMO, with no rational justification.
The Pope can change anything, but that's unlikely to happen. I don't know any Catholics, male or female, who want to see female priests.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pigmy Pony
I mean it's like a club, you don't like the rules, join a different club. It doesn't actually affect anyone in any way, except for a handful of women who for some reason I don't understand, want to be Catholic priests.
I do actually know one of the Cardinals although not seen him in decades, friend of the family. Was hoping he might have got bumped up to Pope, but it was a long shot.
No aware of any such segregation in Catholicism except for the officiating thing. Women can sit where they like and interact with the sacred objects where applicable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry
And C of E is pretty much anything goes, even in High Church. Nothing worse than going to christenings in C of E since they always have the beardy bloke with guitar and the happy clappy stuff.
Having said that it's all dying out in this country anyway. The church attached to the primary school I attended is now luxury apartments. There's now only one Catholic church in the whole district, there used to be five or six.
Not just the Catholics either. The local Synagogue got bulldozed and in its place - luxury apartments.
I didn't confine my remarks to Christianity alone. The treatment of women is different in all of the Abrahamic religions, as it is in Buddhism, Hinduism, Jainism etc.
I think some perspective is needed here. In a mosque men and women can't even attend together, and in some of their public gatherings they rarely mix, this is off the scale misogyny, something we left behind centuries ago, or we never even had. Immigration from Muslim countries is the biggest trojan horse ever, we've basically signed our own suicide note. Some of them are openly hostile too, admittedly those are probably a minority, but they're here, and they're angry.
If by "together", you mean in the same space, then you are right. But then the same applies to worshipers in Judaism: men sit downstairs and women sit upstairs in the synagogues.
Hence my grouping them under the heading 'Abrahamic'.
If you want criticise Islam, you could always point out in Sharia law, evidence provided by a woman is reckoned to be worth a third of that of a man.
I don't see Jews carrying out terrorist atrocities in Europe, or demanding we change our laws because of their religion. Besides Jews are a tiny fraction of the UK and European population compared to Musllims, are you getting it yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry
I'm certainly getting a sense of your paranoia.
Lineker is apparently resigning from the BBC - I'll be able to start watching Match Of The Day again. Good times.
He was already leaving MOTD apart from World Cup and FA Cup, but is apparently now completely leaving after posting something ill advised on social media, again...
I like watching Lineker, he makes me feel better about my own ears :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Macca
I've never known where my cat hails from, but now I suspect she might be Liverpudlian. I've just put her food in her dish, and I called her in by shouting "chicken!" with a scouse accent, and she flew into the kitchen like she'd been shot out of a cannon.
She might even be an Everton supporter, that would explain her beaten-down but hopeful resting face.
No, your cat's too normal to be an Evertonian.
Probably it has heard scousers saying chicken on the telly? They're showing 'Bread' again at the moment.
I’ve started suffering with an intermittent but really annoying “fluttering” in my right ear drum. Do It Yourself doctoring on the web (I’m a man, why would I go to a real GP?) suggests it might be a form of tinitus, which I am really hoping not but I suspect as a man of a certain age and having abused my hearing for decades is probably likely.
It could be muscle spasms, so the optimistic hope is that it will go away. Has anyone else had this, and did it sort itself out? It’s verging on painful at points with certain frequencies, but I guess I will get used to it or drag myself to the quack if it doesn’t go of its own accord.
My money is on it being a muscle spasm - I have the same kind of thing happening in my left ear occasionally, and it is quite distinct from the tinnitus which I also have. The tinnitus sound just seems to live in my head, while the muted 'thudding' is more localised. If you do see your doctor about it let us know how you went on - I'm curious, but not enough to pick up the phone and make an appointment :doh:
Might just need some irrigation (I don't think anyone does syringing any more).
Cheers Steve, I will see how it goes! Often these minor ailments do sort themselves out, and Dr. Google doesn’t suggest it will bring about my imminent demise. Unless of course I don’t hear the number 8 bus as I am crossing the road.
I've spent about 3 hours trawling the internet for a new pair of trainers. I want white with green accents. I found a pair I really like, but they had blue accents, but they beat all the others I had shortlisted. £79.00, ok, will go for it but did another quick search and found the exact same pair but with GREEN accents on TK Maxx - perfect! And guess what - £34.99! Little wins. :)
Which brand of trainers are they? My next ones will be Adidas Samba, there are a few colour combinations available. But last time I looked they're about 70 quid at Sports Direct. I should have a look at TK Max, though I know it's pot luck whether you can find what you're after. Last time I went in there (few years ago) all their clothing was either terrible colours or extreme sizes (too big or too small).
The right size and right colour for less than half price, well done you :)
Sergio Tacchini - (Macca will know!) What can I say, stuck in the 80's...
The blue ones... https://www.80scasualclassics.co.uk/trainers-c12/sergio-tacchini-taormina-leather-trainers-white-navy-p27192
The green ones... https://www.tkmaxx.com/uk/en/gifts/g...ers/p/27669644
I really like Samba, but my daughter has a pair, and she would cringe if I had the same! :lol: TK Maxx would never have occurred to me, if it wasn't for google.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pigmy Pony
Nice find.
I got a lot of Tacchini but never had the trainers.
Not so keen on Samba I usually get Dragon but last time out could not get my size for some reason. So ended up with Classic which are okay.
£35 is very tempting.
It looks like the green ones are synthetic materials and the navy version is leather, that could explain the price difference, might be worth checking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex_UK
Thanks, I did spot that, I suspect one or the other is an error (I would be surprised if they made versions of essentially the same shoe from different materials) but could be.
Trainers were miles better in the 80s when they were made in Europe and the US. Our nations have sold us out to Asia, and given us shoddy quality goods too, not what i call progress.
Pop/C&W music is officially the most irritating music on the planet. The cafe I was in today played one after another of the twangy tuneless crap for over an hour before I begged them to change to something less likely to make my teeth itch. They complied with some Led Zep, what a relief.
In the '80s I used to mostly wear Hi-Tech basketball boots. I don't remember them lasting any longer. Maybe go through a pair a year, I'd say its about the same now.
Nike were never that great for durability. Had a few pairs of Air and Air Max and they don't last six months.
Comfy though.
I honestly can’t say that trainers now are any worse than back in the 80s, never had any quality issues, but as Martin says, they wear out if worn regularly.
I try to keep one pair for good, another for general use and then a demoted pair for gardening, etc. I still keep a few older pairs in just about wearable condition, mainly because I’m a hoarder and don’t like to throw anything out! I can’t bring myself to throw away a pair of purple Puma Easy Rider - they lasted a good few years and the soles are threadbare but they were my favourites for a long time and not available again.
I used to get mine half price from the catalogue returns shop but they stopped doing catalogue returns and started selling tat instead.
Remember Gola trainers? Used to get them on the market in the 70s, cheap but crap. Still going but they're a pricey Adidas knock-off now.
I do remember Gola, never owned any back in the day but nearly bought a pair on my shopping expedition yesterday!
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I think I must be the only one here who does not, nor has ever owned a pair of trainers.
What I used to wear at school when in the gym were called plymsoles or tennis shoes.
Now, when I want to wear something informal, I wear deck shoes. I wear the same when flying, and if I intend to do some trekking, I will then wear walking boots.
It seems to me that trainers are an exercise in making a soft shoe using as many pieces of material as possible and to charge an absurd amount of money for their efforts. :lol:
You can buy cheap ones or expensive ones same as with deck shoes or walking boots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry
Trainers are comfy, and practical too, if you ever need to have it away on your toes you don't want to be wearing shoes.
I've only ever worn shoes for work or formal events. Even at work I would keep a pair there and just wear them round the office. Change back into trainers to go home.
Would not be seen dead in deck shoes, sandals, slippers, sliders, flip flops, crocs. Never worn any of them. Did have a pair of desert boots once but the soles are too thin for me. Probably be okay in an actual sandy desert. Not much good on concrete.
I like desert boots as well, and I have some moccasins to wear in lieu of slippers.
Agree, crocs are the spawn of the devil, and look to be the perfect footwear to give you the sweaty feet!
1 certainly won't argue on Crocs... :spew: Even worse, Crocs with Socks! :eek: (But both my kids and even my dad don't care and love them! :rolleyes: )
My Tacchin trainers arrived today (not sure how it takes a week in this day and age, but there you go...) Really pleased with them, they're definitely not leather, but after doing some further research I don't believe the blue ones would be, either. very happy at £35 notes and that saving enabled me to buy a pair of Skechers "Boat" shoes - never had either Skechers or boat shoes before, but fancied something a bit different to wear with shorts, and I have to say they are probably the most comfortable pair of shoes I have ever owned, memory foam insoles and very breathable.
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/..._AC_SX500_.jpg
Another vote for boat (aka deck) shoes. I'm wearing them all the time at the moment (usually without socks).
I have three pairs: black, blue and grey. Can anyone tell me if you can buy replacement leather laces?
Here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/116542704...3ABFBMrsrCmuZl