OK, thanks very much Stan - All understood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sensimilia
So it's not something to try after a few of these :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: ?
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OK, thanks very much Stan - All understood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sensimilia
So it's not something to try after a few of these :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: ?
I think 'The Wolf' is a great name...how about it Stan?
How about calling it the -----
WOLVERINE!
Call it what you like, but I won't be printing it on the case. The printers want $10 per case if it is just 50 pcs.
Stan
A bit tacky-makes me think of Marvel comics and second rate films. Any more suggestions?Quote:
Originally Posted by chrism
Stan has an ability to bring things down to earth with a bump......Quote:
Originally Posted by Sensimilia
Fly by surfers tend to read stuff on AoS and then take it as gospel. Up to not so long ago I was getting inquiries for the TC-7510+, even though that has been changed to the TC-7520...Quote:
Originally Posted by Covenant
Personally I like an easy to remember name rather that a string of numbers and letters. 7520SE sounds so 1980's. The decision is of course yours Stan but it would be a bit of fun to pick a catchy name, even if its just a nick-name. :)
What about AoS?
Yea not bad and it gives Art of Sound a bit of publicity.
Any more ideas anyone?
Hi,
i suppose this is a question for Stan.
If one was to do this DIY is the required part:
WM8716SEDS - Stereo DAC - 28 pin SSOP Package?
Thanks in advance,
Mark.
TC = Top Cat, doesn't it? (or maybe Top Cap if one is talking electrolitically!)
That's the one.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeTsuo36
SoH --- Sense of Humour!
Regards
I don't have the spare cash to buy another 7520, so I won't be part of the scrabble for any kind of limited/special edition of Mr.B's latest and greatest. It will be the "Out of Reach" DAC as far as I'm concerned :(
Dont forget the very good second hand values of Mr B's products.(Thats how I justified it my mind)Quote:
Originally Posted by Krisbee
Well, I won't be speculating with my 7520. It's in constant use, I'd miss it too much and so it's going nowhere.
If the dear old pound was still worth $2 then may be the TC-7520 would have been built with a wolfson chip and lm4562 op amps as standard. But then only Mr.B can tell us that.
Hi Guys,
Just fitted my new brown dogged dual opa627 into the TC7520. First impressions are the sound is rich and full bodied, but not as spine tingley clear as the THS4032. I've learned my lesson with newly fitted opamps though and intend to give it a couple of days to burn in before concluding.
Question for Stan - I assume that the 4562 will be just be fitted in the existing DIL socket in the 7520 Wolf? I'd still like to try out all the opamps I have purchased in the past few months with the Wolfson DAC....
Ade
Have you considered getting a Creek amp instead? I read on another thread that someone got an even greater level of improvement from their SB3 through a Creek than via the TC-7520:eyebrows:.Quote:
Originally Posted by apmusson
7520 SB Signature
(Stick some copper on it)
sell it for 300GBP
7520 Reference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gazjam
But dont stick copper on it and dont sell it for £300 'cos I want one!
Thanks for the support Covenant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Covenant
Yep Stan and I would suspect your rivals are surfing and reading too. I wouldn't be surprised if one of them using wolfson chips in their dacs gazumped you and used it on their models. Don't be so defensive Stan just trying to help you out with a good name for your excellent product. Its the least i can do after all the after sales support you give to the rest us. The name is well thought out as the beresford being such good value is like the wolf in the forest that no other animal likes (rivals) since it has the ability to survive the most challenging of environments bit like the beresford suviving the most challenging pieces of music!!Quote:
Fly by surfers tend to read stuff on AoS and then take it as gospel. Up to not so long ago I was getting inquiries for the TC-7510+, even though that has been changed to the TC-7520...
bigmac, hoover, merc, ,jumbo jet, Bic, shake,coke, T-shirt, are just a few examples of simple names that are easily identified with the product and have stood the test of time.
imagine in 30 years time a reviewer doing a retro article on the beresford. "Now lets take a look at the wolf in shadow of its time. The Wolf dac was an amazing dragon slayer in its hayday........ etc,etc." oh please tell me you would still like the article to start off with " The 7520SE was very impressive for the price bla..bla..bla.".and usual hifi babble
infact im gonna open a new thread on product names that have become well known all over the world and stood the test of time. !!
Err... I'm not sure I know what your mean? I am very happy with my TC7520 and the options that opamp swapping give me - as you know. I don't have a SB3 and don't want a separate amp... I'm confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sensimilia
Depends on what you call greater detail - if it's pronounced upper mid & hf then you can count me out.Quote:
Originally Posted by apmusson
I have a TC 7510 6/3 with the full Mod21 upgrades (self implemented - thanks Stan), and I am constantly impressed by the "rightness" of music played via SB3 etc.
If the 7250 performs better in stock form than the 7510 post mods then it is well worth having.
The Creek item could possibly be the OBH-14 DAC/Passive pre thing ?
Chris:)
7520 SE (Special Edition) could distinguish it from standard version
I think there may have been an element of sarcasm…….and I don’t think it was directed at you!Quote:
Originally Posted by apmusson
Ade I’ll be very interested in your updated experiences with the duel OPA627’s.
Also, have you tested to see if the duel OPA627’s and THS4032 will work together at the same time without causing technical issues?
Well unfortunately I'm afraid he is ironic about posts I made based on my listenings and tests in this threadQuote:
Originally Posted by apmusson
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2784
Especially the followings posts
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showp...27&postcount=6
http://theartofsound.net/forum/showp...7&postcount=12
I am really sorry about that, since I took the time to write that, hoping to contribute and give a fair idea of what I found with the TC-7520 and LM4562NA upgrade.
I really think it is a nice product, it is useful to say it, and it would also be stupid to claim everywhere that no dac can be better than this one, and that everything else is crap or too expensive.
Now, I'm still convinced it is useless to take care of a dac, if the setup room+speakers+amplifier is not optimized before.
Well that's just me, I trust my ears over anybody's advice, and everybody does what he want ...
Quote:
Originally Posted by nb2
Good Post.
I dont think though no-one is saying all other Dacs are crap, because plainly they are not.
The Beresford hits the "diminishing returns" spot in my opinion though, I think you'd have to spend a lot more to significantly better it.
I agree too about your general feeling about amp+speaker making a more significant difference. Speaker interaction with the room too is very significant I've found.
Just moving my speakers a couple of inches back from the wall and removing the large ammount of toe-in stopped me thinking about changing my speakers - a we bit of tweaking changed the sound a LOT.
If it sounds good to someone - it IS good.
Thats what I feel.
Once you get the amp and speaker combination sorted though..THATS when you can start differenciating betwen digital Sources.The clearer the window I guess the easier it is to tell how good/bad a Dac is? ;)
Please don't let us grumpy old lads put you off contributing!
Everyone has a right of an opinion and the fact that some may differ actually helps. We don't just want sheep do we?
Regards
Chris
Any filthy rich people on this forum? If so take a look at this op-amp: http://www.audioupgrades.co.uk/burson.shtml
Only £45 a go.
I doubt they are suitable in this dacQuote:
Originally Posted by Covenant
It does say that its a replacement for the stock op-amp the NE5532 but you know better than me. Very much an acedemic question as I dont think anyone will be buying.
Its the voltage requirement mate to power it:) +10v isn't enough, you want at least +/-10v (20v)Quote:
Originally Posted by Covenant
Thats a relief, I was just reaching for my credit card.....
Quote:
Originally Posted by Covenant
You must be gutted :lolsign:
I read this thread from the start through page 17 and then jumped to 72 and read on.
Ooomph, so many numbers.
But from what I gathered, for me as a complete novice, it would probably be best, to get some (how many?) LM4562NA, remove the existing pieces (which sit where?) and push in the new ones.
Correct? No soldering or mounting on carrier boards, etc?
Problem is that I have no idea what to take out. Does anyone have clear before-and-after pix and perhaps real simple instructions as to how to proceed, without ruining my brand new 7520?
This sounds like fun!
ciao for now
eckhard
345 onwards
ciao
That looks similar to these:Quote:
Originally Posted by Covenant
http://www.audio-gd.com/enweb/pro/diy/OPA.htm
$25USD each - I have 2 of these (Earth and Moon) and they are very nice sounding. Worth the money IMHO.
I read somewhere else that this guy helped design the first gen Burson ones. Don't know how true that is.
EDIT: Forgot to mention that I have not tried these in the Beresford DAC!
The 4562 is the one if you dont want it mounted on an adapter. If you dont use headphones only buy one and replace the lefthand op-amp (controls towards you). An anti-static wrist strap is reecommended.Quote:
Originally Posted by prenzlberger
@ Covenant
Thanks.
I use the fixed line-out for my STAX (which have their own amplification, of course) and the front-panel headphone jack for AKG701.
Furthermore, I might want a pair of powered monitors (for ambient background).
Should I get two then?
ciao for now
eckhard
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by prenzlberger
Stan
--- that encounter with your German quasi-distributors went really well.
They live in a nice country setting some 30kms south of Berlin and I believe, they do indeed represent your products well.
I am absolutely delighted with the 7520. It has been running on a loop of Mozart-Beethoven-Stravinsky for three days (might as well make it stretch a little) and its musicality is a perfect match with my STAX.
Plus, being able to run the fixed and headphone outputs in parallel is just super.
By the way, could I run a pair of small powered monitors off it for those quiet ambient moments? If so, which output would be best?
Anyway, this has been a very pleasant experience and I'd like to thank you for your patience with my newbie questions. ;)
ciao for now
eckhard
Of course you can. I have used both outputs witch satisfactory results.Quote:
Originally Posted by prenzlberger
Stan
Attach the monitors to the variable out, with the monitor's volume all the up*, controlling the volume now with the 7520
*maybe not at the very top.. sometime pots don't sound best at their limit. But basically the monitor would be turned way up.
Quote:
Originally Posted by prenzlberger
Thanks guys!
This forum is great!
I am so pleased that I stumbled in here and ended up with a super sounding piece of gear at a truly humane price.
ciao for now
eckhard
Finally home.
Turned on the Wolfsoned 7520 this morning.
First impressions:
Well it sounds different to the 7520 I remember. The vocals are certainly clearer. More detail. Maybe not as "rich" but I'll let it settle down for a day or two and get back to you.
BTW: Maplins said they would exchange the PSU but they don't have any in my local one at present. So I'm using the original wall wart for now.
Ok, I've had the Wolfson powered up for a day or so now.
It really is very, very good.
I've just hit one snag. On the optical I'm getting some random popping on the right channel. No idea why.
However, on the co-ax the sound is smooth, refined, detailed and very natural (and no popping). :cool:
So what are the big differences between the new Wolfson and the original chip? Was that the only component that was changed?
I'm all ears ;)
And the burning question is: Is the upgrade really worth the effort?Quote:
Originally Posted by trailer
I will admit to being a bit sceptical and that the Wolfson DAC sounds "different" but not "better". The temptation IMO is to think the swap "must" be an improvement because it involved a lot of work, and it's not easy to revert back.
The popping is a bit of a worry though...
Ken
Aye, it was the only component changed.
Sound wise I would say that it is a much refined sound in some ways but also a more ruthless/revealing sound. You hear a lot more of the recording, as in more realistic instruments and the vocals. The transients are enhanced and the clarity is much improved.
PS: It's been a couple of weeks since I last heard the original 7520 so I guess alot of this is from memory and comparing it to the modded 7510 I have been using in the mean time.