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Reread the last line of my last reply
He wants what’s under the ground in Ukraine.
Reread the last line of my last reply
That still doesn't follow. Certainly withdrawing or increasing the support is a hold he has over both Ukraine and Russia, if the war ends he no longer has that hold over either. But the war won't end unless Putin gets some concession and Ukraine agrees to that. If Ukraine is going to make concessions they will want a beneficial deal from the Americans as compensation.
Suspect everyone involved has by now worked out all the possible outcomes. Hard to predict how exactly it will pan out. But it will pan out.
He wants what’s under the ground in Ukraine.
100%, yes - and Ukraine will agree to this. And only sensible that they do - those resources are there, but Ukraine on its own doesn't have the ability to properly exploit them - US investment in the mining technology Ukraine doesn't have or can afford means those assets get realised - Ukraine will want (and will deserve) a US security "backstop" if they agree to what on the face of it is an exploitative deal by Trump, but in the end it's just sensible business. Sadly, so many young lives on both sides have been lost - anything that can be done to stop that continuing is a plus.
Mikeandvan
25-02-2025, 21:20
Yeah,
its a damn shame.
A glimmer of hope for the Russian people with Gorbachev, but the System beat him back.
Hopefully when Putin goes it will being about change again.
Speaking of Kompromat?
Trump now absolving Putin of responsibility for invading Ukraine (See what you made him do Ukraine? :steam:) and voted NO alongside Russia in UN Resolution condemning Russia for the invasion of Ukraine.
https://apnews.com/article/un-russia-ukraine-war-resolution-trump-zelenskyy-cde221e5850196776525403e788c272c
Happily the resolution went through, this is a first step to... something.
The US now stands beside Russia, Belarus and North Korea and Israel against Ukraine.
Europe and the UN are waking up to the danger Trump poses, wish America would do.
Signs are there though?
I'm not sure tbh whether Trump and his cronies stand against Ukraine, or its just a tactic to bring Russia on side. I've been reading on Twitter that they're trying to pull Russia out of China's orbit, the new administration is - apparently - back to the old school of int. relations that says big powers have their sphere of influence, and that should be respected. For me the Ukraine war was complex and I don't know whether the last administration's way of doing things would have worn Russia down, may be it would have, it's hard to tell, I don't know enough about it all to be confident of supporting either view. But here we are now, in the new reality. Next few months gonna be interesting, I do worry though that if a peace deal is reached, what that will look like for those Ukrainians left behind Russian lines, and whether Putin will seek to annex Ukraine completely, this ain't over yet, just cos orange man has made a deal.
Mikeandvan
25-02-2025, 21:28
One dimensional way to think.
Ok, I'll try to be clearer.
Some Historical context:
- In September 1938, Chamberlain met with Hitler in Munich.
The two leaders agreed that Germany would not make further demands for land in Europe in exchange for Hitler having the Sudetenland.
- Chamberlain returned to London and declared “Peace for our time”.
- However, Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia the next day.
- In March 1939, German troops took over the rest of Czechoslovakia.
- In September 1939, Chamberlain declared war on Germany after the invasion of Poland.
If Trump keeps appeasing Russia, Putin wont stop at Ukraine, next stop probably the Baltic States.
Like with Adolf Hitler at the time, Putin needs stopped, and appeasement is a terrible idea.
Putin cannot be trusted.
Or do you think He can be?
Whats happening here is very serious, and the guy with the biggest stick is a compromised Fool and will do anything to evade justice.
Anything. Including throwing the whole of Europe under the bus (and provoke more War)
But hey...
If you don’t see the parallels here and just think “Trump is funny… cool” I don’t know what to say man.
*EDIT*
And Trump has done eff all, except destabilise the American economy and bring grief to working Americans
AND
aided and abetted Russia's aims toward Ukraine.
He's a danger to security in Europe, but of course Putin wants that...
I don't think Putin will seek to annex any other states, though he could well try again to take over Ukraine, though likely in an underhand way, like seek to impose a puppet regime. It's hard to tell whether Trump is going full dictator, it depends on how much American resistance there is. It's hard to tell when he speaks such rubbish most of the time, what his intentions are.
Mikeandvan
25-02-2025, 21:34
Ok,
I'll call it misguided point of view then. :D
Russia have surprised everyone by how shit they are milliatarily, sure.
Watch what happens if America pulls their support though?
Russia will.advance, and Trump knows this.
He's got his eye on the Prize now, Ukraine's resources.
Yes good point, without US weapons, that weakens Ukraine considerably, don't know how much they can get from European states? And yes Putin could well seek to overtake Ukraine, with its raw materials, and munitions industry, would he go further though? And why?
. It's hard to tell when he speaks such rubbish most of the time, what his intentions are.
Probably what Putin and Zelensky are both saying too.
Trump Gaza:
For those on both sides who still don't get that Trump is mostly just taking the piss, try this on for size.
Yes, this is an official Trump video - it's not satire - or maybe it is?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5HlrkLQWnc
Taking the piss out of the American people, and thats maybe the problem.
Its a serious job.
Video is straight out of the Trump distraction platbook,
Not satire I think, more of an FU we can do what we want now.
(Not sure about the bearded belly dancers though!)
Meanwhile,
his Government is looking to cut $880 Billion from public spending mandatory cuts on programs overseen by the House Energy and Commerce Committee. That committee oversees Medicaid, which is expected to bear much of the cuts.
https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/02/20/nx-s1-5303475/republicans-medicaid-cuts-trump-hospitals
Not so funny should it get passed, people will only take so much before they snap.
As I predicted right from the off numerous Trump executive orders subject to legal challenges:
Ending birthright citizenship Immigrants' rights advocates, multiple states Temporarily blocked ❌
Making it easier to fire federal employees The National Treasury Employees Union, PEER Ongoing
Creating the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) Nonprofit groups, National Security Counselors Ongoing
Ending government DEI efforts Advocates, university professors, the city of Baltimore Partially temporarily blocked ❌
Ending federal support for gender-affirming care Advocates, transgender young adults, families with transgender youth, multiple states Temporarily blocked ❌
Suspending asylum Immigrants' rights advocates Temporarily blocked ❌
Reversing the offshore drilling ban Environmental groups Ongoing
Dismantling USAID Groups representing foreign aid workers Ongoing
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This why I keep saying talk of what he might do isn't relevant. What can he actually accomplish with so many legal challenges?
Only because they were illegal and unconstitutional in the first place, then challenged in Court.
Be interested in digging into the detail of these hearings, got some links?
Ta.
Temporarily blocked is good, permenantly blocked and thrown out of Court is better.
Things are not ok in the US, and its down to Trump.
He's revoking Security Clearances of those "political enemies" who historically went up against him,
thats Dictator behaviour.
Only because they were illegal and unconstitutional in the first place, then challenged in Court.
Be interested in digging into the detail of these hearings, got some links?
Ta.
Exactly what I said to you at the start - the President cannot just do anything he wants to. He can try, and Trump likes to try, but a lot of it won't fly.
It will take time before any are blocked permanently, nothing to do with courts of law happens fast.
I don't have any specific links but if you paste any of those lines in, stuff will come up.
Its fun to stay at the G.A.Z.A
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GktBZ79WMAEfj7I?format=png&name=small
Berni217
26-02-2025, 20:13
Even blocked, the courts have little leverage to enforce their decisions if Trump decides to ignore their orders. He has already started to do it. Therefore we need to see how far Trump will go.
Nice reads…
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/02/12/politics/what-federal-judges-could-do-if-theyre-ignored-by-trump
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/25/us/politics/judge-trump-foreign-aid.html
Mikeandvan
26-02-2025, 21:22
Really hope this one gets passes -
Ending federal support for gender-affirming care Advocates, transgender young adults, families with transgender youth, multiple states Temporarily blocked ❌
It's complete alice through the looking glass stuff!
Mikeandvan
26-02-2025, 21:26
Even blocked, the courts have little leverage to enforce their decisions if Trump decides to ignore their orders. He has already started to do it. Therefore we need to see how far Trump will go.
Nice reads…
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/02/12/politics/what-federal-judges-could-do-if-theyre-ignored-by-trump
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/25/us/politics/judge-trump-foreign-aid.html
All the way judging how he's got his loyalists into head of dep. positions, esp. that dufus wot wrote the book about 'King Trump' - Patel the new FBI chief!
Really hope this one gets passes -
Ending federal support for gender-affirming care Advocates, transgender young adults, families with transgender youth, multiple states Temporarily blocked ❌
It's complete alice through the looking glass stuff!
Certainly one of the reasons that Trump is in for another term.
Mikeandvan
26-02-2025, 23:07
Certainly one of the reasons that Trump is in for another term.
Ignoring the 22nd amendment? But I get your point, yep, us normies don't like 'alice through the looking glass' as a model for policy making.
Ignoring the 22nd amendment? But I get your point, yep, us normies don't like 'alice through the looking glass' as a model for policy making.
Not sure what you mean, the 22nd amendment limits to two terms and Trump is only just starting his second?
Mikeandvan
27-02-2025, 10:57
Not sure what you mean, the 22nd amendment limits to two terms and Trump is only just starting his second?
My bad, I read your post as saying Trump would try for a third term. But yeh, the Trans issue angers a lot of people because it's really a fringe belief that has been accepted by the mainstream parties, all over the West, not just the US. Why that is the case is another story. I mean men in women's sports/changing rooms/clothes, it's literally the definition of insanity.
Trump HAS floated the idea of a third term
In his usual 'what it, wouldn't it be beautiful?" nonsensical way, but the point was start the conversation.
Don't think it'll ever happen of course, but hey...
Trump is quite happy to float any crazy idea that drifts through his brain. That's almost all he actually does. He clearly enjoys it.
Yup.
If he gets 10% of his ideas done, its a good day.
But like all good mob bosses,
he puts the word out and others do it for him.
Easy to dismiss him as an idiot, but not a good idea to downplay him I feel?
In 6 weeks Trump has effectively:
Gutted the government
Threatened post WW2 World order
Threatened government workers
Risked plunging US into a recession with all the personnel cuts
Eliminated most of the regulations that kept the oligarchs in check.
so theres that.
I've never said he's an idiot. I've said before that's the mistake his opponents have consistently made. There's been some idiocy there. Not having Biden stand down earlier or not run at all. Colossal one right there. Trump campaign - no false moves.
Agree Biden should have stepped away sooner.
But what's happening now... isn't on anyone but Trump.
That's what we're talking about, right?
Trump also beat Hilliary Clinton, who's popularity as per polling was WAY bigger than Bidens when he left Office.
Tho James Comey kaiboshed Clinton's campaign with the timing of her email 'scandal', if not for that Trump would still be sniping at the sidelines from Mara Lago.
Is what it is now,
Happily Trump doesn't know when to stop, and people are pushing back.
The Russia / Europe thing is the hottest potato I think, nothing good will cone out of that.
Agree Biden should have stepped away sooner.
But what's happening now... isn't on anyone but Trump.
That's what we're talking about, right?
Trump also beat Hilliary Clinton, who's popularity as per polling was WAY bigger than Bidens when he left Office.
Tho James Comey kaiboshed Clinton's campaign with the timing of her email 'scandal', if not for that Trump would still be sniping at the sidelines from Mara Lago.
Is what it is now,
Happily Trump doesn't know when to stop, and people are pushing back.
The Russia / Europe thing is the hottest potato I think, nothing good will cone out of that.
True, but Trump did not make any secret of how he was going to approach things - and he got the votes.
He is testing the limits of what a POTUS can do - as I have been saying since the start he will find that is quite limited in the long run. He isn't the first President to come into office with his sleeves rolled up, only to be frustrated in his ambitions at almost every turn.
He's not a politician so he doesn't think or act like they do, that is his advantage. Nevertheless I still predict that we will see how the U.S system of government works in preventing any major change from happening. We have the same here, it just works a little differently and is more behind the scenes.
Have to say last time round I thought he was just a total arse but this time round it seems like he is enjoying it more. I'm sort of warming to him.
That 'Trump Gaza' thing still has me laughing. I never had him pegged as a situationist but how else would you categorise that?
Then there's this:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rdDuz9MLE8c
Lawrence001
28-02-2025, 11:58
Have to say last time round I thought he was just a total arse but this time round it seems like he is enjoying it more. I'm sort of warming to him.
That 'Trump Gaza' thing still has me laughing. I never had him pegged as a situationist but how else would you categorise that?
Then there's this:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rdDuz9MLE8cDo you think he didn't understand a word or he at least made out the word Afghan and decided to shut her down?
Do you think he didn't understand a word or he at least made out the word Afghan and decided to shut her down?
A little from column A, a little from column B.
Mikeandvan
28-02-2025, 13:38
True, but Trump did not make any secret of how he was going to approach things - and he got the votes.
He is testing the limits of what a POTUS can do - as I have been saying since the start he will find that is quite limited in the long run. He isn't the first President to come into office with his sleeves rolled up, only to be frustrated in his ambitions at almost every turn.
He's not a politician so he doesn't think or act like they do, that is his advantage. Nevertheless I still predict that we will see how the U.S system of government works in preventing any major change from happening. We have the same here, it just works a little differently and is more behind the scenes.
Sleeves rolled up? And wielding a sledgehammer I might add. All the signs are there for him to go full dictator, but at this moment it's difficult to see whether it's part cosplay (like Bannon and Musk with their Nazi salutes), or whether this will all end up in American civil war pt.11. Looking back at the events around the BLM protests a few years ago and all the defund the police bullshit this war was already in the offing. The culture wars have lit a powder keg, with the anti abortion laws being the first salvo fired by the right, turning back the march of progress by half a century, what else is to come? Who knows with such an erratic figure as Trump. This is absolutely unprecedented in US politics, including the choice of heads of dep. - have you ever seen such a bunch of goons? Hegseth, Patel as head of the FBI - the guy what wrote a freaking kids book about Trump 'the King', it's nauseating.
Theres never been a wrecking ball like Trump in the whitehouse, never.
Especially with the weaponisation of Social Media and the opportunists he has behind him.
He brings out the worse in people, gives them permission to say FU to those they dont like.
Equating him with anyone else is a mistake.
He shouldn't have gotten past THIS. But he did... at the point the rot had set in.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/nov/26/donald-trump-appears-to-mock-disabled-reporter-video
Zelensky currently in Washington,
Met with Trump and JD Vance to discuss terms of ceasefire, Trump acting as the intermediatary.
oh dear,
Zelensky cancelled press conference and is going back to Ukraine, no deal signed.
*EDIT*
Trump shown him the door and told him not to come back “until he was ready for Peace”
Can you figure out why?
The word ambushed comes to mind.
Pay attention to 6:20
Europe just had it confirmed I think, they really need to step up.
https://youtu.be/gA7lDqC-aa8?si=MOkBozxcVz07r1ic
Firebottle
28-02-2025, 19:40
Trump seems to be 'my way or the highway' and Zelensky chose the highway. Not unpredictable.
Trump seems to be 'my way or the highway' and Zelensky chose the highway. Not unpredictable.
Sadly true.
Just for additional info,
Reuters and the Asscociated Press weren’t allowed in to the meeting.
A reporter from Russian state media TASS
was.
Trump team chooses Russian state media over the American free press.
Who’da thunk it?
I think Trump has a point, Z isn't holding any cards.
Maybe the E.U deal is better for him but I don't see how that ends the war?
Amazing that they had that all out on TV. Trump seemed happy with how it went.
Mikeandvan
28-02-2025, 20:54
Zelensky currently in Washington,
Met with Trump and JD Vance to discuss terms of ceasefire, Trump acting as the intermediatary.
oh dear,
Zelensky cancelled press conference and is going back to Ukraine, no deal signed.
Can you figure out why?
The word ambushed comes to mind.
Pay attention to 6:20
Europe just had it confirmed I think, they really need to step up.
https://youtu.be/gA7lDqC-aa8?si=MOkBozxcVz07r1ic
Gosh that was incomfortable watching, Vance's tone was very bullying. Snyder's prediction seems the most convincing right now. No deal, Trump/Vance will blame Zelensky, they can wash their hands of it, then how much support will Europe show, how much can it give? By that I mean military support, will they be brave enough to supply Ukraine potentially without US backing?
Berni217
28-02-2025, 21:11
This was disgraceful! Trump & JD Vance acted like a mafia gang taking the Putin talking point and propaganda to humiliate an allie on TV.
I think that they humiliated themselves, USA and EU know now where they stand…
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I think Trump has a point, Z isn't holding any cards.
True, with regards the war with Russia, but he still hasn't signed the minerals deal...
I've been fairly ambivalent up until now about Trump, and don't really know much about J D Vance, but (pardon the language) in my opinion they came across as a pair of "See You Next Tuesday"s from that interview.
Yesterday's vomit inducing "Starmer show" yesterday. If his brief was to get as far up Trump's asshole as possible, he succeeded.
True, with regards the war with Russia, but he still hasn't signed the minerals deal...
He now supposedly has the EU mineral deal on the table, too. So maybe he feels he doesn't need the Trump deal?
He didn't seem at all keen on the idea of a ceasefire. 'Putin will just break it' is a pretty weak excuse.
Seems all he wants is a continual stream of cash and weapons so he can beat the Russians conclusively. Fair enough but can/will the EU offer that?
Maybe he could go and talk to the Chinese? Maybe he already did?
Berni217
28-02-2025, 21:45
He now supposedly has the EU mineral deal on the table, too. So maybe he feels he doesn't need the Trump deal?
He didn't seem at all keen on the idea of a ceasefire. 'Putin will just break it' is a pretty weak excuse.
Seems all he wants is a continual stream of cash and weapons so he can beat the Russians conclusively. Fair enough but can/will the EU offer that?
Maybe he could go and talk to the Chinese? Maybe he already did?
Your comments are a bit harsh. Z was just trying to get some commitments for the security of his country as Putin has broken his promises many times before. Therefore these are legitimate questions to ask before signing a transactional deal.
Maybe EU should have asked something back from USA before going to war for them after 9/11?!
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Patrick Dixon
28-02-2025, 22:21
I think Trump has a point, Z isn't holding any cards.
He's holding one very, very important card - he is the democratically elected President of a sovereign Country that has been invaded by Russia.
That was just the kind of bullying behaviour that is 'normal' in business, but is hardly 'diplomacy', and certainly not becoming of the President of the most powerful Country in the World.
Well,
Putin HAS already broken the previous ceasefire, so there’s that.
Why WOULDN’T he bring that up.
If someone invaded my Country and was bombing the schools and hospitals I’d want them GONE, with zero chance of them coming back to try again.
America had their back, along with all the other Nations, when Ukraine was invaded now Trump is reneging on that, in large part (and he said this) to make Biden look stupid for doing so.
”Billions and Billions of dollars many said we should not have gave….Hunter Bidens laptop, Russia Russia Russia hoax that Vladimir Putin had to endure…”
Trump is a piece of shit.
Happily,
He showed that in front of a (worldwide) live studio audience tonight.
Next few days will be interesting, and there’s a State visit to the UK in the offing for Trump.
Hmnn..
He now supposedly has the EU mineral deal on the table, too. So maybe he feels he doesn't need the Trump deal?
He didn't seem at all keen on the idea of a ceasefire. 'Putin will just break it' is a pretty weak excuse.
Seems all he wants is a continual stream of cash and weapons so he can beat the Russians conclusively. Fair enough but can/will the EU offer that?
Maybe he could go and talk to the Chinese? Maybe he already did?
Your comments are a bit harsh. Z was just trying to get some commitments for the security of his country as Putin has broken his promises many times before. Therefore these are legitimate questions to ask before signing a transactional deal.
Maybe EU should have asked something back from USA before going to war for them after 9/11?!
https://tenor.com/en-GB/view/leonardo-dicaprio-clapping-clap-applause-amazing-gif-16078907558888063471https://media1.tenor.com/m/iKrYU9i6IlYAAAAC/bravo.gif
Mikeandvan
28-02-2025, 23:40
Trumps ambassador to Finland (2017-21) on Newsnight just now spouting blatant Russian propaganda; 'Zelenksy bought a yacht with the aid money we sent him', or words to that effect, unbelievable, does she really think that? But now she's said it, she's planted another seed of doubt into people's minds. A British guy put her right on some Russian propaganda points, like the supposed kidnapping of men on the streets of Ukraine for military action, when in fact they were draft dodgers, that's one I wasn't aware of myself. People's worst fears about Trump/Vance, like that he's a Russian asset, now seem to be materialising.
Indeed...
"The perfect target’: Russia cultivated Trump as asset for 40 years – ex-KGB spy"
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book
He's holding one very, very important card - he is the democratically elected President of a sovereign Country that has been invaded by Russia.
That was just the kind of bullying behaviour that is 'normal' in business, but is hardly 'diplomacy', and certainly not becoming of the President of the most powerful Country in the World.
That on its own isn't any kind of leverage.
Your comments are a bit harsh. Z was just trying to get some commitments for the security of his country as Putin has broken his promises many times before. Therefore these are legitimate questions to ask before signing a transactional deal.
Maybe EU should have asked something back from USA before going to war for them after 9/11?!
Maybe EU already got something back from the Americans, like the trillions they spent defeating the Nazis, rebuilding Europe and defending it from the Soviets since 1945?
Look at it from the American perspective.
Berni217
01-03-2025, 07:43
Maybe EU already got something back from the Americans, like the trillions they spent defeating the Nazis, rebuilding Europe and defending it from the Soviets since 1945?
Look at it from the American perspective.
Like France helping the USA to be independent from Great Britain in 1782. How far do you want to go?
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Like France helping the USA to be independent from Great Britain in 1782. How far do you want to go?
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Hah! Fair point. But bear in mind almost all Americans think they did that on their own.
Yeah
https://i.imgur.com/VCnyGWK.jpeg
Berni217
01-03-2025, 09:34
What happen to Zelensky in the Oval Office was an ambush. All set up by Trump and JD. A Russian state media reporter was in the Oval Office and transmitted live all the Russian talking points coming out of Trump & his VP’s poisoned mouths ..
https://nypost.com/2025/02/28/us-news/russian-state-media-reporter-sneaks-into-oval-office/
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Yeah
https://i.imgur.com/VCnyGWK.jpeg
Freedom is the only way.
Quality film
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzLO6Fi1Z5g
Pigmy Pony
01-03-2025, 10:15
Trump repeatedly says they gave $350 billion of aid to Ukraine. Everyone outside of US thinks that figure is closer to $120 billion. And they want about $500 billion out of them in minerals? That's quite a mark up. Especially considering Starmer corrected Trump earlier this week saying our contribution was mostly gifted, and not a loan. What's the truth here?
Maybe Zelenskyy should consider out-trumping Trump in the outrageousness department, and see if China want to buy some minerals? ;)
Berni217
01-03-2025, 10:43
Trump repeatedly says they gave $350 billion of aid to Ukraine. Everyone outside of US thinks that figure is closer to $120 billion. And they want about $500 billion out of them in minerals? That's quite a mark up. Especially considering Starmer corrected Trump earlier this week saying our contribution was mostly gifted, and not a loan. What's the truth here?
Maybe Zelenskyy should consider out-trumping Trump in the outrageousness department, and see if China want to buy some minerals? ;)
The truth is as Starmer & Macron both corrected him in the Oval Office but a lie repeated many times is never big enough to become Trump’s alternate reality that he sells to his followers.
China has already a lot of rare earths, hence why they are leading the battery raw material economic war against everyone else.
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Has anybody “seen” the OP recently?
Yeah,
Trump is a lying piece of shit, and obviously under Putin’s control, given his actions.
The OP’s last post seems to be his Biblical word salad on page 21 of this thread here.
Some time away is probably healthy for him.
Dont wish the guy any bad vibes.
Dirka Dirka! :D
Wonder what Matt Damon thinks?
Freedom is the only way.
Quality film
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzLO6Fi1Z5g
Patrick Dixon
01-03-2025, 13:22
I think the OP has probably lost his job with the IRS and is moaning to everyone about how he thought it was 'other people' not him that would suffer as the orange mobster and his techbro billionaires plundered his country.
Pigmy Pony
01-03-2025, 15:59
I think the OP has probably lost his job with the IRS and is moaning to everyone about how he thought it was 'other people' not him that would suffer as the orange mobster and his techbro billionaires plundered his country.
Well he could always up sticks and move over to California's Central Valley (which provides about a quarter of the nation's food), where if Trump has his way will have around 330,000 vacancies pretty soon. And those sugar beets won't pick themselves.
I think the OP has probably lost his job with the IRS and is moaning to everyone about how he thought it was 'other people' not him that would suffer as the orange mobster and his techbro billionaires plundered his country.
he’s away to complain to the Manager
Lawrence001
01-03-2025, 17:56
I think he's busy writing his email to Elon Musk to say what he's been up to the last week. Probably quite tricky to come up with something when you spend most of your time watching you tube videos and posting on forums.
Pigmy Pony
01-03-2025, 18:09
I think he's busy writing his email to Elon Musk to say what he's been up to the last week. Probably quite tricky to come up with something when you spend most of your time watching you tube videos and posting on forums.
And when he tells them he's been busy online winding everybody up, he'll be told that's Musk's job.
Dirka Dirka! :D
Wonder what Matt Damon thinks?
Jihad, bakalah.
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Mikeandvan
02-03-2025, 19:25
This is an hilarious skit on the Trump/Vance/Zelensky interview in the oval room, Mike meyers as Elon is the best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUpOMSJ1MdU
Pigmy Pony
02-03-2025, 23:22
This is an hilarious skit on the Trump/Vance/Zelensky interview in the oval room, Mike meyers as Elon is the best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUpOMSJ1MdU
:lol: So there are a few sane people in America
:lol: So there are a few sane people in America
Yes - but sadly not nearly enough.
Trump now suspended all military aid to Ukraine.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/04/us-military-aid-ukraine-pause-trump-zelenskyy-updates
Yesterday,
Kier Starmer when asked by Scottish MP Stephen Flynn said that Trump told him he had “no intention” of stopping aid to Ukraine.
Trump is a lying piece of shit, still don’t know why people are surprised at this.
Also,
Trump halts all Cyber offensive work against Russia, Prntagon Head saying it no longer recognises Russia as a cyber threat. Of course they don’t.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2er34w0jgdo
Also,
As of yesterday, Trump has imposed 25% Tariffs on its neighbours Mexico and Canada, and 10% Tariffs on China.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2025/03/03/trump-confirms-25-tariffs-on-canada-and-mexico-will-start-tomorrow-heres-how-they-could-impact-prices/
Canada supplies a third of thenUS’s electricity, oil and gas, and they have said they will respond to Trumps tariffs in kind.
Things may be about to get tough for America.
See the pattern?
Putin is on the inside now, all over one man’s pettiness and nastiness.
EU could easily supply him with enough money and weapons instead. UK alone is giving Ukraine 3 billion a year plus favourable weapons deals.
The Russian army is rubbish and has had its arse kicked continually since the start. They would like nothing better than for it to end. But Putin knows he can't be seen to back down.
Won't get peace there until either Putin dies or Zelensky is willing to make some concessions to Russia.
Trump thinks he can force those concessions this way. I don't think that will happen, Zelensky/Ukraine would rather go down fighting to the last man than give the Russians 1 yard of their territory. That's their mentality, which is understandable.
Remains to be seen if EU will step up to the plate. I think they should, but I don't think they will. Even though the Ukraine war is much more their problem than it is America's.
https://i.imgur.com/6wyacZ2.jpeg
More seriously...
Things may be about to get interesting,
Unlike the US, Europe looks not to be capitulating
https://i.imgur.com/4wWC4Nz.jpeg
More seriously...
Things may be about to get interesting,
Unlike the US, Europe looks not to be capitulating
https://i.imgur.com/4wWC4Nz.jpeg
Still only at the 'talk' stage though. EU big problem is that they all have to agree. Obviously Poland and the Baltic states will be up for it - but since UK left, the only net contributor to the EU is Germany so it all depends on them really, as they'll be paying.
EU leaders met with Kier Starmer at Summit held in London a couple of days ago.
seems a pretty united front, see how this plays out.
Justin Trudeau was there too.
Talking and agreeing is a good first step, and sends a good message.
https://i.imgur.com/xwpscaQ.jpeg
https://www.youtube.com/live/F3zDoSef2so?si=u2dWPikPF3KoUx_t
EU leaders met with Kier Starmer at Summit held in London a couple of days ago.
seems a pretty united front, see how this plays out.
Justin Trudeau was there too.
Talking and agreeing is a good first step, and sends a good message.
https://i.imgur.com/xwpscaQ.jpeg
https://www.youtube.com/live/F3zDoSef2so?si=u2dWPikPF3KoUx_t
Agree it's a first step but there's no point sending messages as Putin won't be interested in that. He can't back down whatever the message.
All EU support will do is prolong the war. Now you may say that's better than giving any concession to Putin, and I'm inclined to agree. But we aren't on the front lines doing the fighting and the dying.
Neither are the people making the decisions, apart from Zelensky and Putin.
Zelensky's record is 100% so far - zero doubt of his integrity.
Bigger picture here:
and that is what Europe is factoring in.
Unlikely a now united Europe throws Zelensky under the bus to appease Trumps demands, now demanding Z resigns and someone else negotiate for Ukraine.
A line straight from Putin I'd say, he has form in mock Elections and installing puppet governments.
Trump may take the US out of NATO, he's mad enough to do it, and thats a big deal.
Trump may take the US out of NATO, he's mad enough to do it, and thats a big deal.
You're into 'What ifs' again now. Your prerogative of course but personally I'm only interested in what is actually happening or has happened.
Bullshit man..
I'm only saying what's happening.
And what may seem likely.
I think if his Mobster shake down of Zelensky doesn't work (a fair chance) then I think he's more than capable of thinking it's OK to take the US out of Nato.
He's getting more emboldened every.day as more opponents are removed (*) and more sycophants fall into line.
Nice that Europe isn't just sitting back waiting to see what happens?
With Trump changing everything so fast, they can't afford to.
(Head of the NY FBI office has now been forced to retire)
Bullshit man..
I'm only saying what's happening.
And what may seem likely.
I think if his Mobster shake down of Zelensky doesn't work (a fair chance) then I think he's more than capable of thinking it's OK to take the US out of Nato.
He's getting more emboldened every.day as more opponents are removed (*) and more sycophants fall into line.
Nice that Europe isn't just sitting back waiting to see what happens?
With Trump changing everything so fast, they can't afford to.
(Head of the NY FBI office has now been forced to retire)
You think USA dropping out of NATO is 'likely'?
What's interesting is Europe has done nothing about Ukraine for years and all of a sudden they're rallying round to do something.
What's the catalyst for that?
Trump.
Now if Europe has to bankroll Ukraine, and the USA contributes nothing further, hard to see that not being a win for Trump. Not saying he planned it that way, but....
Firebottle
04-03-2025, 15:12
I hope Canada do put 25% tarrifs on all the oil and gas, that should screw up the USA a bit.
Hoping that the major problem will be the White House and the arse that inhabits it atm.
Its "possible" as in my opinion Trump would consider taking the US out of NATO, no question.
That was what I said.
Whats Europe been doing?
Europe were directly involved in the 2014 Minsk Agreement, under the guidance of French President and the German Federal Chancellor, so not sure where your getting that Europe has been hands off.
Also,
When Putin's Russia invaded Ukraine for its "3 day Special Milliatary Operation" (now 3 years and counting) Europe stepped up and provided milliatary assistance and funding to Ukraine.
Europe and the UK has been instrumental in providing support to Ukraine.
What was the Catalyst?
PUTIN'S INVASION.
Despite some folks having a hard-on for Trump, and are normalising his behaviour over time,
you'd like to think even THEY know it was Putin's invasion that got Europe and the UK to Ukraine's side?
Given the current level of gaslighting and misinformation though,
(not to mention lack of critical thinking) you gotta wonder.
Agree it's a first step but there's no point sending messages as Putin won't be interested in that. He can't back down whatever the message.
All EU support will do is prolong the war. Now you may say that's better than giving any concession to Putin, and I'm inclined to agree. But we aren't on the front lines doing the fighting and the dying.
Who gives AF what Putin thinks
Who gives AF what Putin thinks
That wasn't my point.
That wasn't my point.
I dont care that Putin wont be interested in Europe sending a message, it has to be sent.
For Ukraine.
Fuck Putin..
In other news:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GlM9tFEXQAAh00o?format=jpg&name=medium
More batshit nuttery - This is not normal :eek:
Firebottle
04-03-2025, 19:48
'Normal' and Orange Idiot Trump do not go together.
The only normal trump is the fart that comes out of your arse.
Patrick Dixon
04-03-2025, 20:05
personally I'm only interested in what is actually happening or has happened.
I guess 'Climate Change' is going to be a big shock to you once you realise it's actually happening/happened then!
Sadly, it is/will be too late by then.
I guess 'Climate Change' is going to be a big shock to you once you realise it's actually happening/happened then!
Sadly, it is/will be too late by then.
Not sure what you want me to do about it? Or about Trump in general.
I suppose join in with the anger but I just can't muster it somehow.
Mikeandvan
04-03-2025, 21:43
Who knows wtf Trump will do next, it's very easy to infer that America has been 'captured' by Russia, I mean they voted for the UN res. that said Russia wasn't an aggressor in this conflict, alongside N Korea and all the other nutcases! It's early days yet, and remember the newly appointed head of the FBI wrote a book about Trump 'the king', alarm bells people! Twitter says a 'mineral deal' is close between Zel and Trump, but the same feed says it may not go ahead, on other words, nobody knows wtf is going on and anything could happen. Same with the tariffs - first they were being raised, then they weren't, or being suspended, now they're going ahead again, soon chaos could well come from all this.
Now Trump's saying protestors 'on campus'' will be imprisoned, once again, is he just clowning, who the f*** knows! And Vance the fat f***ing gerbil in Europe last week bitching about free speech, these nuts just say any old shit!
Some people say Europe doesn't stand a chance against Russia, other's say that's wrong, I'll be honest, I don't have a clue, I don't know the state of our militaries, may be we send over some men in dresses, so the Ruskies might die laughing?
Berni217
05-03-2025, 09:35
I think that EU can stand up to Putin with military aids now. They have enough funds and they have already given more than the US in this war, despite Trump lying about the $300B+ that he thinks that they gave when it’s around the $110B.
Besides, there are also the $300B of RU frozen assets that they could use to fund Ukraine or leverage in discussion with Putin.
However, EU is lacking in the Intel and it will take several years to get back on track here. Ukraine needs the US intel and Musk’s Starlink communication.
This is why I think that Zelenskyy went back to Trump, as he needs to buy time until there is a clear EU plan forward.
Will see if Trump unlocks the military aids as the rare earth deal could be signed as starting point. It will be back to Trump to get Russia to get to the negotiation table with Ukraine, EU and negotiate a cease fire.
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Stolen from hifisubjectivist.com
An intriguing analysis has been circulating online regarding the psychological aspects of Zelensky’s meeting with Trump and Vance, conducted using ChatGPT.
From this analysis, it becomes evident that we have witnessed a true masterclass in gaslighting, manipulation, and coercion on the part of Trump and his entourage. Let’s break down the key points:
1. Blaming the victim for their own situation
Trump explicitly tells Zelensky: “You have allowed yourself to be in a very bad position.” This is classic abuser rhetoric—blaming the victim for their suffering. The implication is that Ukraine itself is responsible for being occupied by Russia and for the deaths of its people.
2. Pressure and coercion into ‘gratitude’
Vance demands that Zelensky say “thank you.” This is an extremely toxic tactic—forcing the victim to express gratitude for the help they desperately need, only to later accuse them of ingratitude if they attempt to assert their rights.
3. Manipulating the concept of ‘peace’
Trump claims that Zelensky is “not ready for peace.” However, what he actually means is Ukraine’s capitulation. This is a classic manipulation technique—substituting the idea of a just peace with the notion of surrender.
4. Refusing to acknowledge the reality of war
Trump repeatedly insists that Zelensky has “no cards to play” and that “without us, you have nothing.” This is yet another abusive tactic—undermining the victim’s efforts by asserting that they are powerless without the mercy of their ‘saviour.’
5. Devaluing the victims of war
“If you get a ceasefire, you must accept it so that bullets stop flying and your people stop dying,” Trump says. Yet, he ignores the fact that a ceasefire without guarantees is merely an opportunity for Russia to regroup and strike again.
6. Dominance tactics
Trump constantly interrupts Zelensky, cutting him off: “No, no, you’ve already said enough,” and “You’re not in a position to dictate to us.” This is deliberate psychological pressure designed to establish a hierarchy in which Zelensky is the subordinate.
7. Forcing capitulation under the guise of ‘diplomacy’
Vance asserts that “the path to peace lies through diplomacy.” This is a classic strategy where the aggressor is given the opportunity to continue their aggression unchallenged.
8. Projection and distortion of reality
Trump declares: “You are playing with the lives of millions of people.” Yet, in reality, it is he who is doing exactly that—shifting responsibility onto Zelensky.
9. Creating the illusion that Ukraine ‘owes’ the US
Yes, the US is assisting Ukraine, but presenting this aid as “you must obey, or you will receive nothing” is not a partnership—it is financial and military coercion.
10. Undermining Ukraine’s resistance
Trump states that “if it weren’t for our weapons, this war would have ended in two weeks.” This is an attempt to erase Ukraine’s achievements and portray its efforts as entirely dependent on US support.
Conclusion
Trump and his team employed the full spectrum of abusive tactics: gaslighting, victim-blaming, coercion into gratitude, and manipulation of the concepts of peace and diplomacy. This was not a negotiation—it was an attempt to force Zelensky into accepting terms beneficial to the US but potentially fatal for Ukraine.
https://youtu.be/__k3Rl5vyDw?si=6HUiiMe5xOWrRuGi
WOStantonCS100
08-03-2025, 00:07
These quotes from the bible are all very interesting, but what are your personal thoughts?
Now I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that what has happened to me has actually served to advance the gospel. As a result, it has become clear throughout the whole palace guard and to everyone else that I am in chains for Christ. And because of my chains, most of the brothers and sisters have become confident in the Lord and dare all the more to proclaim the gospel without fear.
It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. The latter do so out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.
Yes, and I will continue to rejoice, for I know that through your prayers and God’s provision of the Spirit of Jesus Christ what has happened to me will turn out for my deliverance. I eagerly expect and hope that I will in no way be ashamed, but will have sufficient courage so that now as always Christ will be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death. For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body. Convinced of this, I know that I will remain, and I will continue with all of you for your progress and joy in the faith, so that through my being with you again your boasting in Christ Jesus will abound on account of me.
See now I'm thinking, maybe it means you're the evil man. And I'm the righteous man. And Mr. Nine Millimetre here, he's the shepherd protecting my righteous ass in the valley of darkness. Or it could mean you're the righteous man and I'm the shepherd and it's the world that's evil and selfish. Now I'd like that. But that shit ain't the truth. The truth is you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But I'm trying, Ringo. I'm trying real hard to be the shepherd.
What on earth are the two of you talking about?
What on earth are the two of you talking about?
Wostanton's post is from St Paul's letter to the Philippians, my post is from Jule's speech to Ringo in 'Pulp Fiction'. :D
Pigmy Pony
08-03-2025, 08:39
I got Martin's post right away. The other one, not so much.
https://img.ifunny.co/images/a8a4e75b32a7e042890c35d51678f38a0b6feb9ba9a2533e26 3c4e2ee820978a_1.webp
I think Wostantons posts are praying that Trump won’t F*** it up more than he already has.
Things are going to get interesting as far as the US economy goes.
Pigmy Pony
08-03-2025, 09:15
A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes beat him, and left him half dead. A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side.
So too, a Levite, when he came to the same place and saw him, passed by on the other side.
But a Samaritan, as he travelled, came where the man was, and when he saw him, he took pity on him. He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him. The next day he took out two denari and gave them to the innkeeper, whom he knew was actually one of the robbers, and said to him "Promise you won't bomb the shit out of him, and I see good things happening for the both of us."
Then turning to the man, he said "You owe me for the wine and the donkey".
I got Martin's post right away. The other one, not so much.
https://img.ifunny.co/images/a8a4e75b32a7e042890c35d51678f38a0b6feb9ba9a2533e26 3c4e2ee820978a_1.webp
Good for you: but as they were quotes they should have been bracketed by quotation marks.
Whilst I have seen Pulp Fiction several times I'm not really expected to remember all the lines: some do stick out but not that one.
Anyway why post all theses quotes from the Old Testament, surely any apposite quotes ought to be from the New Testament?
Good for you: but as they were quotes they should have been bracketed by quotation marks.
Whilst I have seen Pulp Fiction several times I'm not really expected to remember all the lines: some do stick out but not that one.
Anyway why post all theses quotes from the Old Testament, surely any apposite quotes ought to be from the New Testament?
Wostanton's quote is from the New Testament.
Not sure why it matters though?
Ezekiel is NT?
It matters because those purporting to be Christian ought to be quoting from the NT.
Ezekiel is NT?
It matters because those purporting to be Christian ought to be quoting from the NT.
No - Wostanton quoted Philippians which is New Testament. Ezekiel is Old Testament. It depends on which Christian sect you belong to but Roman Catholicism and CoE are both fine with the Old Testament, I think Methodists are too.
That it seems to be a different 'God' in each one (OT - vengeful and harsh, NT - loving and forgiving) just gets glossed over.
Pigmy Pony
08-03-2025, 15:07
No - Wostanton quoted Philippians which is New Testament. Ezekiel is Old Testament. It depends on which Christian sect you belong to but Roman Catholicism and CoE are both fine with the Old Testament, I think Methodists are too.
That it seems to be a different 'God' in each one (OT - vengeful and harsh, NT - loving and forgiving) just gets glossed over.
Going by certain posts elsewhere in this thread, the above is not so much glossed over, more like ignored completely. But as we're now onto religion (which is just as divisive as politics if not more so), I'll stop now.
Certainly the authors of Project 2025 claim to be Christian, but going by the proposed aims of the Project, are anything but.
WOStantonCS100
09-03-2025, 05:05
Jesus put before them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while everyone was asleep, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and slipped away. When the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the weeds also appeared.
The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’
‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.
So the servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’
‘No,’ he said, ‘if you pull the weeds now, you might uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat into my barn.’ ”
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Then Jesus dismissed the crowds and went into the house. His disciples came to Him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.”
He replied, “The One who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, and the good seed represents the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
As the weeds are collected and burned in the fire, so will it be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will weed out of His kingdom every cause of sin and all who practice lawlessness. And they will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father.
He who has ears, let him hear.
I have given up reading your replies.
There are no personal thoughts in there.
I ça only assume you are praying for help, as you now realise what a mistake it has been.
It's Matthew 13:24 - 30. Parables are essentially riddles. They are not analogies.
The parable of the wheat and the weeds is that there is good and bad in everyone: the proportion of each is constantly changing. So one shouldn't point the finger at anyone, as the accusers are themselves a mixture of good and bad. It is not until the end of ones life that the mixture will assessed.
It is not unique to Christianity: the ancient Egyptians believed that after death the soul would be weighed against a feather. If the feather was heavier than the soul, that person would go to paradise and vice versa.
I have given up reading your replies.
There are no personal thoughts in there.
I ça only assume you are praying for help, as you now realise what a mistake it has been.
I’m not sure the guy is ok.
It's Matthew 13:24 - 30. Parables are essentially riddles. They are not analogies.
The parable of the wheat and the weeds is that there is good and bad in everyone: the proportion of each is constantly changing. So one shouldn't point the finger at anyone, as the accusers are themselves a mixture of good and bad. It is not until the end of ones life that the mixture will assessed.
It is not unique to Christianity: the ancient Egyptians believed that after death the soul would be weighed against a feather. If the feather was heavier than the soul, that person would go to paradise and vice versa.
That's because a number of aspects of Christianity were borrowed from the Egyptians. The Eucharist ceremony is based on Egyptian ritual magic, and IIRC the concept of the Holy Trinity is also Egyptian.
Jesus allegedly spent the time between adolescence and becoming an activist in his early 30s, in Egypt.
It is thought by some that the whole of Judaism came out of Egypt. The Jews were expelled from Egypt as the pharaohs had reverted back to polytheistic beliefs. The monotheistic revolution of Arhkenaten and the worship of a single god, the Aten, as represented by the Sun, caused great resentment and anger amongst all the priests of the former religion.
Arkenaten's son was Tutankaten. After Arkenaten's death the priests revolted and convinced the boy pharaoh to support the former religion and to change his name to Tutankamen.
It is though that Moses was a high priest of the short-lived monotheistic religion and took it, along with the followers, into what would be eventually be known as Israel.
Berni217
11-03-2025, 08:08
After the mess that the Orange Jesus has done to the US economy, it looks like praying is the only thing that WOStantonCS100 can do!
Who said government’s policies had no impact on the economy?!
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Shouldn’t that be “Orange Antichrist?”
Patrick Dixon
11-03-2025, 13:42
It should be 'praying' for sure.
('Preying' is what Trump and his oligarch buddies are doing on the American people.)
Pigmy Pony
11-03-2025, 14:04
A little bit of good news...
https://www.carscoops.com/2025/03/tesla-sales-falling-off-a-cliff-globally-including-germany-australia-and-china/
Berni217
11-03-2025, 15:28
A little bit of good news...
https://www.carscoops.com/2025/03/tesla-sales-falling-off-a-cliff-globally-including-germany-australia-and-china/
I am getting rid of mine in a few weeks! I will then be cleared of anything related to this guy.
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Berni217
11-03-2025, 15:29
It should be 'praying' for sure.
('Preying' is what Trump and his oligarch buddies are doing on the American people.)
Sure. Typo …
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Pigmy Pony
11-03-2025, 18:21
I am getting rid of mine in a few weeks! I will then be cleared of anything related to this guy.
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Good stuff :) But The Trump is taking delivery of a Tesla later today, so that should keep the wolves from Herr Musk's door for a bit.
Time for the big balls orangutan to put his money where his mouth is now on Ukraine, as they say they will accept a 30-day ceasefire. My bet is they have accepted it as they feel there is no way in hell Putin will agree. Will be interesting to see what comes next.
Pigmy Pony
11-03-2025, 21:31
Time for the big balls orangutan to put his money where his mouth is now on Ukraine, as they say they will accept a 30-day ceasefire. My bet is they have accepted it as they feel there is no way in hell Putin will agree. Will be interesting to see what comes next.
I'm trying to picture (when Putin tells them to stick their ceasefire up their arse), Big Balls and his ventriloquist's dummy getting in Putin's face and telling him "You're playing with World War 3!" Then we'll see just how big his balls really are.
I think Putin might take the offer, gives him 30 days to refit and reorganise.
I think Putin might take the offer, gives him 30 days to refit and reorganise.
Yes, and that was the point I made a while back, as to why Zelensky was against the idea of a ceasefire, but I think the stakes change somewhat once the US are involved, regardless of Trump, they have a big red button too...
Mikeandvan
12-03-2025, 11:47
Foreign student arrest on ideological grounds, surely breaking his 1st amendment rights (he is a green card holder).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gp613029eo
I knew Trumps/Vances exhortations on free speech would only work one way.
Foreign student arrest on ideological grounds, surely breaking his 1st amendment rights (he is a green card holder).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gp613029eo
I knew Trumps/Vances exhortations on free speech would only work one way.
Green card just means the right to work it doesn't make you a U.S citizen so they can still deport you if you breach the terms of the visa.
They are saying he breached those terms during the protests by "locking down buildings and destroying property". Federal Court will ultimately decide if that's the case.
He is married and has first child on the way. Seems to me to be a very foolish young man to jeopardise his own and his family's future for some self-important 'protest'. But some people have to learn the hard way.
He has seen more resources up for grabs - https://bbc.com/news/articles/c74x4m71pmjo
Mikeandvan
12-03-2025, 18:54
Green card just means the right to work it doesn't make you a U.S citizen so they can still deport you if you breach the terms of the visa.
They are saying he breached those terms during the protests by "locking down buildings and destroying property". Federal Court will ultimately decide if that's the case.
He is married and has first child on the way. Seems to me to be a very foolish young man to jeopardise his own and his family's future for some self-important 'protest'. But some people have to learn the hard way.
So Trump pardons the captiol hill rioters but deports this guy? This is politically motivated punishment, and should serve as a warning as to what's to come, so much for Vances lecture to EUrope on free speech, not that i'm surprised in any way.
That’ll be a No then?
Colour me surprised…
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So Trump pardons the captiol hill rioters but deports this guy? This is politically motivated punishment, and should serve as a warning as to what's to come, so much for Vances lecture to EUrope on free speech, not that i'm surprised in any way.
It doesn't have anything to do with free speech. It's damaging property. Maybe he did not do that in which case they've no grounds to chuck him out. If he did then tough luck next time he'll know to exercise free speech without damaging property or committing some other crime.
It doesn't have anything to do with free speech. It's damaging property. Maybe he did not do that in which case they've no grounds to chuck him out. If he did then tough luck next time he'll know to exercise free speech without damaging property or committing some other crime.
What damage to property is this guy supposed to have done?
What damage to property is this guy supposed to have done?
From what I can gather he organised protests at Columbia and in the course of that, there was damage. Don't know if the damage bit is true but that's the grounds they're using to revoke his visa,
Did he personally do the damage,
or is the Deportation him Trump “sending a message” ?
TLDR
He has rights and they aren’t being given to him (surprise surprise)
Long Read:
https://www.justsecurity.org/109012/legal-issues-deportation-palestinian-student-activists/#:~:text=That%2520provision%252C%2520located%2520i n%2520section,consequences%2520for%2520the%2520Uni ted%2520States%E2%80%9D%2520(
Trumps already cast the net out on “unlawful” protests… whatever that means.
(though think most folk can put 2 and 2 together?)
Did he personally do the damage,
or is the Deportation him Trump “sending a message” ?
TLDR
He has rights and they aren’t being given to him (surprise surprise)
Long Read:
https://www.justsecurity.org/109012/legal-issues-deportation-palestinian-student-activists/#:~:text=That%2520provision%252C%2520located%2520i n%2520section,consequences%2520for%2520the%2520Uni ted%2520States%E2%80%9D%2520(
Interesting, thanks. So they aren't going with the damage to property but with the 'contrary to U.S interests' clause?
It still has to be decided by a court - article writer thinks that's a foregone conclusion, we'll have to see.
Personally I don't have any problem with them kicking him out under any pretext. Seems to me like he deserves it. The whole Palestine thing has been a great excuse for antisemites to get active with impunity.
:thumbsup:
Interesting, thanks. So they aren't going with the damage to property but with the 'contrary to U.S interests' clause?
It still has to be decided by a court - article writer thinks that's a foregone conclusion, we'll have to see.
Personally I don't have any problem with them kicking him out under any pretext. Seems to me like he deserves it. The whole Palestine thing has been a great excuse for antisemites to get active with impunity.
Mikeandvan
13-03-2025, 17:52
Interesting, thanks. So they aren't going with the damage to property but with the 'contrary to U.S interests' clause?
It still has to be decided by a court - article writer thinks that's a foregone conclusion, we'll have to see.
Personally I don't have any problem with them kicking him out under any pretext. Seems to me like he deserves it. The whole Palestine thing has been a great excuse for antisemites to get active with impunity.
Any pretext? That may of course set a pretext (uh huh) for future deportations 'under any pretext'. Rule of law not apply in America anymore?
Any pretext? That may of course set a pretext (uh huh) for future deportations 'under any pretext'. Rule of law not apply in America anymore?
Eggsarkly.
Nail... Head.
Trump's M.O. has always been to just throw it out there and see what he can get away with.
Fine if squatting on the gold seat at Mar-a-Lago on his phone, at the Resolute Desk - not so much.
Unfortunately in his second Term theres no one around him saying NO.
All the Crazytown stuff playing out now shows that I think.
Any pretext? That may of course set a pretext (uh huh) for future deportations 'under any pretext'. Rule of law not apply in America anymore?
Yes they have rule of law so it has still to be decided by a court as I stated earlier.
Gaz is right Trump will try anything but he doesn't expect to get away with even half of it. That's how he operates.
In any case there is previous form for Hamas sympathisers being deported as mentioned in the article Gaz linked to.
Mikeandvan
13-03-2025, 22:48
Yes they have rule of law so it has still to be decided by a court as I stated earlier.
Gaz is right Trump will try anything but he doesn't expect to get away with even half of it. That's how he operates.
In any case there is previous form for Hamas sympathisers being deported as mentioned in the article Gaz linked to.
Hamas sympathisers? The case referred to - Reno vs Americanarab anti discrimination committee, the 8 defendants were actual members of the PFLP, I'm also not sure they even had legal status to remain.
Hamas sympathisers? The case referred to - Reno vs Americanarab anti discrimination committee, the 8 defendants were actual members of the PFLP, I'm also not sure they even had legal status to remain.
6 were temporary residents, 2 were permanent residents.
BREAKING NEWS:
HMS Warboat to return Statue of Liberty to France under cover of darkness.
Super Boat Soldiers (Like SAS but boat) loaded the 800.85ft tall statue on to Warboat & used water cannons to fight off angry Americans as the statue was repossessed.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GmPg0JDaIAADXgs?format=jpg&name=small
Photographed from a Canberra
Pigmy Pony
17-03-2025, 22:48
Makes a nice change from the Trump and his cronies taking Liberties.
WOStantonCS100
17-03-2025, 23:01
Who owns the Central Bank of Yemen......................................
Are we enjoying the FO portion of FAFO?
Perhaps those living in what's left of a once wonderful city known as "London" should pray harder than I. Oh, wait. That could lead to an arrest..............
If only the UK had leaders who are UK First. Oh, well.
WOStantonCS100
17-03-2025, 23:09
BREAKING NEWS:
HMS Warboat to return Statue of Liberty to France under cover of darkness.
Super Boat Soldiers (Like SAS but boat) loaded the 800.85ft tall statue on to Warboat & used water cannons to fight off angry Americans as the statue was repossessed.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GmPg0JDaIAADXgs?format=jpg&name=small
Photographed from a Canberra
Perhaps they can fit the House of Saud, Rothschild and Soros on that boat, as well. Welcome to take them in broad daylight. :smoking:
WOStantonCS100
17-03-2025, 23:24
FIFTH CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES:
At the Second Session,
Begun and held at the city of Philadelphia, in the state of Pennsylvania, on Monday, the thirteenth of November, one thousand seven hundred and ninety-seven.
An Act Concerning Aliens.
SECTION 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and the House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That it shall be lawful for the President of the United States at any time during the continuance of this act, to order all such aliens as he shall judge dangerous to the peace and safety of the United States, or shall have reasonable grounds to suspect are concerned in any treasonable or secret machinations against the government thereof, to depart out of the territory of the United States, within such time as shall be expressed in such order, which order shall be served on such alien by delivering him a copy thereof, or leaving the same at his usual abode, and returned to the office of the Secretary of State, by the marshal or other person to whom the same shall be directed. And in case any alien, so ordered to depart, shall be found at large within the United States after the time limited in such order for his departure, and not having obtained a license from the President to reside therein, or having obtained such license shall not have conformed thereto, every such alien shall, on conviction thereof, be imprisoned for a term not exceeding three years, and shall never after be admitted to become a citizen of the United States. Provided always, and be it further enacted, that if any alien so ordered to depart shall prove to the satisfaction of the President, by evidence to be taken before such person or persons as the President shall direct, who are for that purpose hereby authorized to administer oaths, that no injury or danger to the United States will arise from suffering such alien to reside therein, the President may grant a license to such alien to remain within the United States for such time as he shall judge proper, and at such place as he may designate. And the President may also require of such alien to enter into a bond to the United States, in such penal sum as he may direct, with one or more sufficient sureties to the satisfaction of the per- son authorized by the President to take the same, conditioned for the good behavior of such alien during his residence in the United States, and not violating his license, which license the President may revoke, whenever he shall think proper.
SEC. 2. And be it further enacted, That it shall be lawful for the President of the United States, whenever he may deem it necessary (for the public safety, to order to be removed out of the territory thereof, any alien who mayor shall be in prison in pursuance of this act; and to cause to be arrested and sent out of the United States such of those aliens as shall have been ordered to depart therefrom and shall not have obtained a license as aforesaid, in all cases where, in the opinion of the President, the public safety requires a speedy removal. And if any alien so removed or sent out of the United States by the President shall voluntarily return thereto, unless by permission of the President of the United States, such alien on conviction thereof, shall be imprisoned so long as, in the opinion of the President, the public safety may require.
SEC. 3. And be it further enacted, That every master or commander of any ship or vessel which shall come into any port of the United States after the first day of July next, shall immediately on his arrival make report in writing to the collector or other chief officer of the customs of such port, of all aliens, if any, on board his vessel, specifying their names, age, the place of nativity, the country from which they shall have come, the nation to which they belong and owe allegiance, their occupation and a description of their persons, as far as he shall be informed thereof, and on failure, every such master and commander shall forfeit and pay three hundred dollars, for the payment whereof on default of such master or commander, such vessel shall also be holden, and may by such collector or other officer of the customs be detained. And it shall be the duty of such collector or other officer of the customs, forthwith to transmit to the office of the Department of State true copies of all such returns.
SEC. 4. And be it further enacted, That the circuit and district courts of the United States, shall respectively have cognizance of all crimes and offences against this act. And all marshals and other officers of the United States are required to execute all precepts and orders of the President of the United States issued in pursuance or by virtue of this act.
SEC. 5. And be it further enacted, That it shall be lawful for any alien who may be ordered to be removed from the United States, by virtue of this act, to take with him such part of his goods, chattels, or other property, as he may find convenient; and all property left in the United States by any alien, who may be removed, as aforesaid, shall be, and re- main subject to his order and disposal, in the same manner as if this act had not been passed.
SEC. 6. And be it further enacted, That this act shall continue and be in force for and during the term of two years from the passing thereof.
Jonathan Dayton, Speaker of the House of Representatives.
TH. Jefferson, Vice President of the United States and President of the Senate.
I Certify that this Act did originate in the Senate.
Attest, Sam. A. Otis, Secretary
APPROVED, June 25, 1798.
John Adams
President of the United States.
An Act Respecting Alien Enemies
SECTION 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That whenever there shall be a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion shall be perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States, by any foreign nation or government, and the President of the United States shall make public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being males of the age of fourteen years and upwards, who shall be within the United States, and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured and removed, as alien enemies. And the President of the United States shall be, and he is hereby authorized, in any event, as aforesaid, by his proclamation thereof, or other public act, to direct the conduct to be observed, on the part of the United States, towards the aliens who shall become liable, as aforesaid; the manner and degree of the restraint to which they shall be subject, and in what cases, and upon what security their residence shall be permitted, and to provide for the removal of those, who, not being permitted to reside within the United States, shall refuse or neglect to depart therefrom; and to establish any other regulations which shall be found necessary in the premises and for the public safety: Provided, that aliens resident within the United States, who shall become liable as enemies, in the manner aforesaid, and who shall not be chargeable with actual hostility, or other crime against the public safety, shall be allowed, for the recovery, disposal, and removal of their goods and effects, and for their departure, the full time which is, or shall be stipulated by any treaty, where any shall have been between the United States, and the hostile nation or government, of which they shall be natives, citizens, denizens or subjects: and where no such treaty shall have existed, the President of the United States may ascertain and declare such reasonable time as may be consistent with the public safety, and according to the dictates of humanity and national hospitality.
SEC. 2. And be it further enacted, That after any proclamation shall be made as aforesaid, it shall be the duty of the several courts of the United States, and of each state, having criminal jurisdiction, and of the several judges and justices of the courts of the United States, and they shall be, and are hereby respectively, authorized upon complaint, against any alien or alien enemies, as aforesaid, who shall be resident and at large within such jurisdiction or district, to the danger of the public peace or safety, and contrary to the tenor or intent of such proclamation, or other regulations which the President of the United States shall and may establish in the premises, to cause such alien or aliens to be duly apprehended and convened before such court, judge or justice; and after a full examination and hearing on such complaint. and sufficient cause therefor appearing, shall and may order such alien or aliens to be removed out of the territory of the United States, or to give sureties of their good behaviour, or to be otherwise restrained, conformably to the proclamation or regulations which shall and may be established as aforesaid, and may imprison, or otherwise secure such alien or aliens, until the order which shall and may be made, as aforesaid, shall be performed.
SEC. 3. And be it further enacted, That it shall be the duty of the marshal of the district in which any alien enemy shall be apprehended, who by the President of the United States, or by order of any court, judge or justice, as aforesaid, shall be required to depart, and to be removed, as aforesaid, to provide therefor, and to execute such order, by himself or his deputy, or other discreet person or persons to be employed by him, by causing a removal of such alien out of the territory of the United States; and for such removal the marshal shall have the warrant of the President of the United States, or of the court, judge or justice ordering the same, as the case may be.
APPROVED, July 6, 1798.
FIFTH CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES:
at the Second Session,
Begun and held at the city of Philadelphia, in the state of Pennsylvania, on Monday, the thirteenth of November, one thousand seven hundred and ninety-seven.
An Act in Addition to the Act, Entitled "An Act for the Punishment of Certain Crimes Against the United States."
SECTION 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That if any persons shall unlawfully combine or conspire together, with intent to oppose any measure or measures of the government of the United States, which are or shall be directed by proper authority, or to impede the operation of any law of the United States, or to intimidate or prevent any person holding a place or office in or under the government of the United States, from undertaking, performing or executing his trust or duty, and if any person or persons, with intent as aforesaid, shall counsel, advise or attempt to procure any insurrection, riot, unlawful assembly, or combination, whether such conspiracy, threatening, counsel, advice, or attempt shall have the proposed effect or not, he or they shall be deemed guilty of a high misdemeanor, and on conviction, before any court of the United States having jurisdiction thereof, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding five thousand dollars, and by imprisonment during a term not less than six months nor exceeding five years; and further, at the discretion of the court may be holden to find sureties for his good behaviour in such sum, and for such time, as the said court may direct.
SEC. 2. And be it farther enacted, That if any person shall write, print, utter or publish, or shall cause or procure to be written, printed, uttered or published, or shall knowingly and willingly assist or aid in writing, printing, uttering or publishing any false, scandalous and malicious writing or writings against the government of the United States, or either house of the Congress of the United States, or the President of the United States, with intent to defame the said government, or either house of the said Congress, or the said President, or to bring them, or either of them, into contempt or disrepute; or to excite against them, or either or any of them, the hatred of the good people of the United States, or to stir up sedition within the United States, or to excite any unlawful combinations therein, for opposing or resisting any law of the United States, or any act of the President of the United States, done in pursuance of any such law, or of the powers in him vested by the constitution of the United States, or to resist, oppose, or defeat any such law or act, or to aid, encourage or abet any hostile designs of any foreign nation against United States, their people or government, then such person, being thereof convicted before any court of the United States having jurisdiction thereof, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding two thousand dollars, and by imprisonment not exceeding two years.
SEC. 3. And be it further enacted and declared, That if any person shall be prosecuted under this act, for the writing or publishing any libel aforesaid, it shall be lawful for the defendant, upon the trial of the cause, to give in evidence in his defence, the truth of the matter contained in publication charged as a libel. And the jury who shall try the cause, shall have a right to determine the law and the fact, under the direction of the court, as in other cases.
SEC. 4. And be it further enacted, That this act shall continue and be in force until the third day of March, one thousand eight hundred and one, and no longer: Provided, that the expiration of the act shall not prevent or defeat a prosecution and punishment of any offence against the law, during the time it shall be in force.
Jonathan Dayton, Speaker of the House of Representatives.
Theodore Sedgwick, President of the Senate pro tempore.
I Certify that this Act did originate in the Senate.
Attest, Sam. A. Otis, Secretary
APPROVED, July 14, 1798
John Adams
President of the United States.
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Pigmy Pony
18-03-2025, 09:10
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He's got Marco Rubio's ears!
Pigmy Pony
18-03-2025, 09:17
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"I heard that!"
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"I heard that!"
He's not getting the 'live long and prosper' hand sign quite right though. Suspect Romulan in disguise. Set phasers to 'kill'.
Let's see it done properly
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WOStantonCS100
24-03-2025, 20:40
MEGA
Make Europe Great Again
No point stopping at America.
Berni217
24-03-2025, 21:39
MEGA
Make Europe Great Again
No point stopping at America.
Thanks but No Thank you!
You should try to fix your country which is going down hill … Shocking that war plans were mistakenly sent to a reporter! Incompetence?!
https://youtu.be/H1eFV_5XTWk?si=yQFTrxDvc-NsKVXJ
These are not serious People, and shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near power.
It’s your country America, your Whitehouse, but it’s being stolen from you by the people behind Trump, propped up by foreign adversaries.
White supremacy is gaining a foothold again too.
Dark times.
Time to wake dafuq up.
Thanks but No Thank you!
You should try to fix your country which is going down hill … Shocking that war plans were mistakenly sent to a reporter! Incompetence?!
https://youtu.be/H1eFV_5XTWk?si=yQFTrxDvc-NsKVXJ
WOStantonCS100
26-03-2025, 00:04
Thanks but No Thank you!
So, keep filling Europe with migrants, keep London crappy. Got it. You're good with Europe going down the crapper. Noted. 'Cause the rest of your post is just deflection.
psssst... There are scores of Europeans not on board with that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSnbmiGb5vY
Whether Sweden should be the poster child is up for debate; nevertheless, where are the Europe first leaders? UK first leaders? France first leaders? Who's fighting for you (and by "you", I do not mean "asylum seekers", "dreamers" or other such BS titles substituted for gate crashers who don't give two chips about the history or the people of the land they are invading, while you choke on your non-existent free speech and throw eye daggers at a leader who is decisively putting his house in order. Comical, if pathetic. Still good for a laugh.
Berni217
26-03-2025, 00:52
So, keep filling Europe with migrants, keep London crappy. Got it. You're good with Europe going down the crapper. Noted. 'Cause the rest of your post is just deflection.
psssst... There are scores of Europeans not on board with that.
Whether Sweden should be the poster child is up for debate; nevertheless, where are the Europe first leaders? UK first leaders? France first leaders? Who's fighting for you (and by "you", I do not mean "asylum seekers", "dreamers" or other such BS titles substituted for gate crashers who don't give two chips about the history or the people of the land they are invading, while you choke on your non-existent free speech and throw eye daggers at a leader who is decisively putting his house in order. Comical, if pathetic. Still good for a laugh.
Well …
(1) Unless you or your ancestors are Native Americans, you are all originally immigrants in USA. Actually, over 61% of the US population is of European descent. Were your ancestors as crappy as those you call crappy today?
(2) Mass deportation could have a long term cost to US of up to 6.8% in GDP due to labor shortages in vital industries like agriculture, housing, and health care, hence raising costs for all Americans.
(3) Added to the above are the immediate higher cost of living, and less government support, put upon you by your dear President (and his billionaire friends) through increased tariffs and the dismantlement of key agencies. I would not want to be in your shoes man.
MASA : Make America Stupid Again
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WOStantonCS100
26-03-2025, 05:08
Well …
(1) Unless you or your ancestors are Native Americans, you are all originally immigrants in USA. Actually, over 61% of the US population is of European descent. Were your ancestors as crappy as those you call crappy today?
(2) Mass deportation could have a long term cost to US of up to 6.8% in GDP due to labor shortages in vital industries like agriculture, housing, and health care, hence raising costs for all Americans.
(3) Added to the above are the immediate higher cost of living, and less government support, put upon you by your dear President (and his billionaire friends) through increased tariffs and the dismantlement of key agencies. I would not want to be in your shoes man.
MASA : Make America Stupid Again
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Back to hurling insults, are we?
(1) My paternal grandmother was "native American". If you feel a little stupid now, I understand. You don't know my ancestral make up. Don't pretend you do. Don't make yourself an ass. And, cut the bullshit sweet pants, I did not call anyone crappy and you know it. But, when one only has blind stupidity to rely on, twisting someone else's words to fit a losing narrative is common place. That's wanker level garbage right there. Read. The. Words. Try to understand.
(2) Thanks for the "what if" and debunked media talking points. Sure, don't deport... we need illegal aliens to do menial jobs, underpaid for crap money and no benefits... and the young kids and women to be sex slaves of pedophiles. No sir, your regurgitation of the MSM is just more agenda driven rubbish.
(3) I'm sorry, do you live here? Got boots on the ground here? Do you know anything about my status before or after the election? Didn't think so because if you did you'd realize the ignorance you're spewing. What's key about agencies that have been laundering money back to politicians and special interest groups? Do you really think I'm upset about the prospect of external revenue replacing, in part or completely, my paying of taxes that has funded stupid shit like both sides of a war?? That's daft. You can't fill my shoes, so no worries.
You can take your MASA and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
I'll stick with a desire and a wish for Europe to be Europe, the US to be the US and a return to the day when New Yorkers and Londoners could walk down streets admiring the architecture, observing the history and largely at peace with other residents.
If that's not something that's sensible to you (and I don't imagine it is) and, as I said, you'd rather see the UK continue a downward spiral, that's you. Make a banner. Add it to your others, like "Gays for Palestine". It'd fit right in and make about as much sense. FFS I'm talking to someone who prefers living in the toilet rather than cleaning it and sitting on top. Make that make sense. Nevermind. You can't.
Patrick Dixon
26-03-2025, 08:13
... where are the Europe first leaders? UK first leaders? France first leaders?
Yeah 'cos Nationalism is going to solve the World's problems. Seems odd, from a 'Christian', to divide human beings into 'us' and 'them' - I'm pretty sure that's not what Jesus taught.
Berni217
26-03-2025, 08:14
Back to hurling insults, are we?
(1) My paternal grandmother was "native American". If you feel a little stupid now, I understand. You don't know my ancestral make up. Don't pretend you do. Don't make yourself an ass. And, cut the bullshit sweet pants, I did not call anyone crappy and you know it. But, when one only has blind stupidity to rely on, twisting someone else's words to fit a losing narrative is common place. That's wanker level garbage right there. Read. The. Words. Try to understand.
(2) Thanks for the "what if" and debunked media talking points. Sure, don't deport... we need illegal aliens to do menial jobs, underpaid for crap money and no benefits... and the young kids and women to be sex slaves of pedophiles. No sir, your regurgitation of the MSM is just more agenda driven rubbish.
(3) I'm sorry, do you live here? Got boots on the ground here? Do you know anything about my status before or after the election? Didn't think so because if you did you'd realize the ignorance you're spewing. What's key about agencies that have been laundering money back to politicians and special interest groups? Do you really think I'm upset about the prospect of external revenue replacing, in part or completely, my paying of taxes that has funded stupid shit like both sides of a war?? That's daft. You can't fill my shoes, so no worries.
You can take your MASA and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
I'll stick with a desire and a wish for Europe to be Europe, the US to be the US and a return to the day when New Yorkers and Londoners could walk down streets admiring the architecture, observing the history and largely at peace with other residents.
If that's not something that's sensible to you (and I don't imagine it is) and, as I said, you'd rather see the UK continue a downward spiral, that's you. Make a banner. Add it to your others, like "Gays for Palestine". It'd fit right in and make about as much sense. FFS I'm talking to someone who prefers living in the toilet rather than cleaning it and sitting on top. Make that make sense. Nevermind. You can't.
Looks like I have hit a nerve here. To clarify:
- I have not misread you … In your message, you mentioned that Europe or London are crappy because of migrants.
- If you have Native American ancestors, where are exactly the insults in my comments? The fact remains that US was built by generations on immigrants coming from all over the world (Europe, Africa, Asia, …) thanks to whom it had become and remain this super power today!
- Your original message used the generic term of “migrants”, but in your most recent message you specifically referred to “illegal aliens”. What about legal migrants? My comment were aimed at them … dreamers who helped/are build(ing) your country.
Therefore your comments on “illegal aliens” are misplaced and insulting to the vast majority of migrants who came in the US legally! You should consider being more humble, changing your rhetoric and apologising to them!
- on your line … ”Your desire and a wish for Europe to be Europe, the US to be the US and a return to the day when New Yorkers and Londoners could walk down streets admiring the architecture, observing the history and largely at peace with other residents”
I don’t know in which world you live in … Today Londoners, Europeans and Canadians can admire their architectures, observe their rich histories and were largely at peace until your dear President decided to declare a commercial war to allies and strengthen his relationship with dictators like Putin. So you maybe partly correct but the migrants have nothing to do with this!
MAIA : Make America Insane Again
Mikeandvan
26-03-2025, 12:04
There are major problems in the West - most caused by the breakdown of authority, though an authoritarian like Trump is not the solution, as we've seen with the backtracking on free speech (that didn't take long). Putin watches with glee, as the west burns itself to the ground, and people point the finger and say he caused it all, what a joke, he merely exploits it. The same failure of authority which resists owning up to one's mistakes. The globalists thought they could rely on China to produce for the world's needs, forgetting all about their own people and the lack of meaningful work which results in hollowed out societies. So western societies with very low amounts of meaningful work for its citizens, further compounded by immigration from Asia/Africa, why do our leaders torture us like this? It's baffling.
There are major problems in the West - most caused by the breakdown of authority, though an authoritarian like Trump is not the solution, as we've seen with the backtracking on free speech (that didn't take long). Putin watches with glee, as the west burns itself to the ground, and people point the finger and say he caused it all, what a joke, he merely exploits it. The same failure of authority which resists owning up to one's mistakes. The globalists thought they could rely on China to produce for the world's needs, forgetting all about their own people and the lack of meaningful work which results in hollowed out societies. So western societies with very low amounts of meaningful work for its citizens, further compounded by immigration from Asia/Africa, why do our leaders torture us like this? It's baffling.
I don't think the west is 'burning itself to the ground' or that it has major problems. Problems, yes, but largely the same problems it always had. Most of which are insoluable.
Most people in the west live happy, productive lives - which is why most of the rest of the world want to come and live here too.
A better solution might be to take a firmer hand with the dysfunctional countries that they all want to leave - but this is now seen as 'neo colonialism'. So won't ever happen. Instead we just chuck money at them most of which goes right into some despot's Swiss bank account.
Mikeandvan
26-03-2025, 18:29
I don't think the west is 'burning itself to the ground' or that it has major problems. Problems, yes, but largely the same problems it always had. Most of which are insoluable.
Most people in the west live happy, productive lives - which is why most of the rest of the world want to come and live here too.
A better solution might be to take a firmer hand with the dysfunctional countries that they all want to leave - but this is now seen as 'neo colonialism'. So won't ever happen. Instead we just chuck money at them most of which goes right into some despot's Swiss bank account.
Are you kidding? Walk in any high street in the land, beggars, e-bikes, shoplifting tolerated, too many non indigenous, people badly dressed, bad manners, stupid chavs going to the school gates in their dressing gowns, any semblance of respect or protocol gone out the window. What the hell happened to civic pride? All our manufacturing base gone, these are new problems, society is profoundly changed, we don't act as a society anymore, Thatcher was right.
Are you kidding? Walk in any high street in the land, beggars, e-bikes, shoplifting tolerated, too many non indigenous, people badly dressed, bad manners, stupid chavs going to the school gates in their dressing gowns, any semblance of respect or protocol gone out the window. What the hell happened to civic pride? All our manufacturing base gone, these are new problems, society is profoundly changed, we don't act as a society anymore, Thatcher was right.
Of all those things you list only e-bikes and collecting your children in nightwear are fairly recent and if they're the only new things we have to worry about I'll take that :)
Manufacturing - we make more stuff here than we ever did in the past - it just employs a lot less people.
Society changes it always has done. Some things for the better, some for the worse. Was it better years ago? I think it was, at least in some respects, but that might just be nostalgia.
Mikeandvan
26-03-2025, 21:19
Of all those things you list only e-bikes and collecting your children in nightwear are fairly recent and if they're the only new things we have to worry about I'll take that :)
Manufacturing - we make more stuff here than we ever did in the past - it just employs a lot less people.
Society changes it always has done. Some things for the better, some for the worse. Was it better years ago? I think it was, at least in some respects, but that might just be nostalgia.
You're failing to notice the seismic changes in our towns and cities in the last 50 years. When I were a lad you wouldn't see grown men begging - not in the numbers you do now, you;d see the odd tramp may be, but all these drug addicts are a terrible indictment on our society. The welfare state has mushroomed out of control, so now there are as many unemployed in some shape or form than working, add to that all the home working bollocks, and as a society we;re rapidly dying. There's lots of new glass buildings, but that hardly improves things for the masses does it? In Brighton most of them are student accomodation for rich Arab and Chinese kids, it's a joke. We've gone from a productive industrious country to a nation of spivs or shirkers.
You're failing to notice the seismic changes in our towns and cities in the last 50 years. When I were a lad you wouldn't see grown men begging - not in the numbers you do now, you;d see the odd tramp may be, but all these drug addicts are a terrible indictment on our society. The welfare state has mushroomed out of control, so now there are as many unemployed in some shape or form than working, add to that all the home working bollocks, and as a society we;re rapidly dying. There's lots of new glass buildings, but that hardly improves things for the masses does it? In Brighton most of them are student accomodation for rich Arab and Chinese kids, it's a joke. We've gone from a productive industrious country to a nation of spivs or shirkers.
Maybe it's different where you are but I've lived round here 35 years, it was a poor area then, and it still is. Not much has changed except there's a lot more foreigners, many of them students, but I can't say I've personally seen a downside to that. It's actually quite a lot more peaceful than it was when it was all indigenous personnel.
I think we've always been a nation of two halves - one doing most of the running in science, engineering, medicine (which we still do) and one of the pirates, spivs and chancers who actually got out there and brought all the money in.
Same as lots of countries but we were better at it. Probably because of the bad weather. While the foreigners were on siesta we were doing gun drill.
WOStantonCS100
26-03-2025, 22:41
Yeah 'cos Nationalism is going to solve the World's problems. Seems odd, from a 'Christian', to divide human beings into 'us' and 'them' - I'm pretty sure that's not what Jesus taught.
Nationalism and humanitarianism are not mutually exclusive. Full stop.
Christianity is the poster child for "us" and "them" or do you not understand the difference between chaff and wheat or the criminal on the left vs the criminal on the right or two in the field but only one taken or the meaning in Matthew 10... I recommend you study more before tossing out social justice quips.
Pigmy Pony
26-03-2025, 22:52
Nationalism and humanitarianism are not mutually exclusive. Full stop.
Unnecessary. The sentence already ended with a full stop.
Are you kidding? Walk in any high street in the land, beggars, e-bikes, shoplifting tolerated, too many non indigenous, people badly dressed, bad manners, stupid chavs going to the school gates in their dressing gowns, any semblance of respect or protocol gone out the window. What the hell happened to civic pride? All our manufacturing base gone, these are new problems, society is profoundly changed, we don't act as a society anymore, Thatcher was right.
I would agree that these days there is far too much litter, graffiti and rough sleeping in our cities today. However I have seen no sign of 'chav' parents dropping their kids off at school whilst wearing dressing gowns.
I have noticed an increase of people of different colour and culture now living and working in the village: but I welcome such diversity.
As to bad manners, lack of respect - I have noticed the exact opposite: most people, regardless of age or background, are polite and helpful.
Pigmy Pony
26-03-2025, 23:36
I would agree that these days there is far too much litter, graffiti and rough sleeping in our cities today. However I have seen no sign of 'chav' parents dropping their kids off at school whilst wearing dressing gowns.
I have noticed an increase of people of different colour and culture now living and working in the village: but I welcome such diversity.
As to bad manners, lack of respect - I have noticed the exact opposite: most people, regardless of age or background, are polite and helpful.
Agree with all of this, though the scumbags on e-bikes are a pet hate of mine.
There seems to be no accountability, they cover their faces, ride at ridiculous speeds on the roads and pavements, even taunting the police, and are almost impossible to catch. I'd like to see plain-clothes coppers on the beat, armed with a stick they could chuck spear-style through the spokes as they pass, though no doubt that would be seen as 'excessive force' :(
Unnecessary. The sentence already ended with a full stop.
Shouldn't it be a period? :scratch:
WOStantonCS100
27-03-2025, 01:04
Unnecessary. The sentence already ended with a full stop.
Well... I guess if that's all the response you've got... that's all you've got. Moving on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlnCH2GcGQ0
Well... I guess if that's all the response you've got... that's all you've got. Moving on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlnCH2GcGQ0
Watching you tube videos is a good way to get the wrong impression about pretty much anything. In any case, London's not typical of the rest of the country, never has been.
Pigmy Pony
27-03-2025, 07:53
Well... I guess if that's all the response you've got... that's all you've got. Moving on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlnCH2GcGQ0
Again, unnecessarily wordy. At least I can keep my nonsense brief. No need to use the entire dictionary, less is more you know.
An 8 minute video about two incidents? In the first a foreign national is later referred to as an illegal immigrant without justification, and isn't it convenient that the person sitting to her left has their smartphone on video record?
The second clip concerns a woman who has a 'bee in her bonnet' about foreign immigrants and is making a lot of noise about it. It's called free speech: something which is still allowed in the UK, and something to be proud of.
Patrick Dixon
27-03-2025, 08:19
do you not understand the difference between chaff and wheat
LOL. I think I understand who is the 'chaff' and who is the 'wheat' here ... but I'm sure those of you from the 'master race' know better.
Pigmy Pony
27-03-2025, 08:39
An 8 minute video about two incidents? In the first a foreign national is later referred to as an illegal immigrant without justification, and isn't it convenient that the person sitting to her left has their smartphone on video record?
The second clip concerns a woman who has a 'bee in her bonnet' about foreign immigrants and is making a lot of noise about it. It's called free speech: something which is still allowed in the UK, and something to be proud of.
Yes, apart from a few Youtube clips and a handful of sensationalist headlines I do believe 'free speech' still exists here. Unlike over the pond, where free speech is only there for those who agree with The Trump. Anyone with an opposing view can expect their integrity and competence to be shot to bits. A tactic which by now should be familiar to anyone visiting this thread.
Mikeandvan
27-03-2025, 09:37
If this were a normal administration then Hegseth would resign, over the leaking of top-level security info, but of course it's a clown administration so he won't. America now at the level of a banana republic. 4 more years of this then a shitshow when it's time to go. Thing is politics does need change, but why anybody thought an opportunist like Trump was the answer is beyond me.
Pigmy Pony
27-03-2025, 09:42
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/25/trump-hegseth-hillary-clinton-security-breach/82650695007/
WOStantonCS100
27-03-2025, 15:03
Watching you tube videos is a good way to get the wrong impression about pretty much anything. In any case, London's not typical of the rest of the country, never has been.
Yes, yes, yes, yes!! One thousand percent agree, yes. (But, I expect that from a thinking and discerning man.) That's the entire point of this exercise. When someone is helplessly trapped in his own echo chamber (decrying all outside it as misinformation, disinformation, conspiracy theory, etc. etc.) you use his echo chamber (the fissures, cracks and breaks thereof) to expose him to reality. He will not consider other sources no matter how sensible. His cognitive dissonance will not allow him to accept that his "trusted sources" could be lying to him or, at least, presenting him with half truths and deceptions. You have to get him to look down, open his eyes and see that the foundation he is standing on is crumbling. That is the whole reason for posting youtube videos and content from mainstream media. That is the echo chamber; but, it is crumbling; truths are rearing their ugly head too quickly and too often. The censorship czars cannot control what is now a flood. All the independent sources on rumble.com, all the user eye-witness video and commentary... it's not going anywhere. There is only going to be more of it. Those who ignore it do so at their own peril, just ask the Washington swamp.
Yes, again, about London. I agree. Typical, no. Nevertheless, it is still very much a problem and should be of concern wherever such situations arise in the nation. Some here do not apply that same logic to American cities (NYC, Chicago, L.A., etc.). Instead, they swear that those cities are a true reflection of American values. Such a stance is nonsensical. They are not. "America" spoke that loudly and resolutely with the presidential election, each subsequent confirmation and speaks it with overwhelmingly with support of DOGE's work. That is why President Trump is in office again. MSM lied/lies to people here and abroad, BBC included. No, the unhinged liberal agenda was never the prevalent mindset but was/is propped up by special interest groups in cities that get the most recognition in the mainstream media that is owned by those same special interest groups with the intention of making people believe "the new normal" is normal. It was a nice try but, failed miserably and those special interest groups are pissed off about that foiled conquest, mad as hell actually. But, they and their "useful idiots" (their word) are not willing to let it go. More pain incoming.
Thank you for your comment.
No, the unhinged liberal agenda was never the prevalent mindset but was/is propped up by special interest groups in cities that get the most recognition in the mainstream media that is owned by those same special interest groups with the intention of making people believe "the new normal" is normal. It was a nice try but, failed miserably and those special interest groups are pissed off about that foiled conquest, mad as hell actually. But, they and their "useful idiots" (their word) are not willing to let it go. .
Well I totally agree with you there and of course that is exactly why people voted for Trump.
The Trump administration is a direct result of the progressive/liberal agenda being pushed way too far. 32 genders? They've only got themselves to blame.
I knew there was a good reason why I haven't looked at any of the YouTube clips posted here (apart from the last one since it concerned incidents in London, and which turned out to be 8 minutes of repetitive anti-immigrant diatribe.)
Mikeandvan
27-03-2025, 19:16
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/25/trump-hegseth-hillary-clinton-security-breach/82650695007/
lol, we can expect a resignation from America's top Christian thug then? Or he might even walk into a jail?
Well done Trump, well done.
https://youtu.be/dgjybooP-pA?si=sgq6oXG8C90hsNPn
https://youtu.be/dgjybooP-pA?si=sgq6oXG8C90hsNPn
Berni217
28-03-2025, 08:18
Well done Trump, well done.
https://youtu.be/dgjybooP-pA?si=sgq6oXG8C90hsNPn
https://youtu.be/dgjybooP-pA?si=sgq6oXG8C90hsNPn
I don’t see how Tariff on foreign goods would help improve US manufacturing industry if customers don’t buy the goods as too expensive + US companies being unable to sell theirs across the globe due to retaliations from foreign countries + long term negative impacts on US as these countries will find alternative routes. These will result in increased job losses across the US and reputations damages.
The common sense approach would have been to create tax incentives to bring targeted manufacturing capacity back to the US.
Unless I am missing something, is there any sense to Trump’s Tax policies?
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I don’t see how Tariff on foreign goods would help improve US manufacturing industry if customers don’t buy the goods as too expensive + US companies being unable to sell theirs across the globe due to retaliations from foreign countries + long term negative impacts on US as these countries will find alternative routes. These will result in increased job losses across the US and reputations damages.
The common sense approach would have been to create tax incentives to bring targeted manufacturing capacity back to the US.
Unless I am missing something, is there any sense to Trump’s Tax policies?
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USA has a big balance of trade deficit with Canada and Trump likes simple, crude solutions. IMO there's never a simple solution to an economic problem, but politics is all about being seen to do something whether it's effective or not.
I don’t see how Tariff on foreign goods would help improve US manufacturing industry if customers don’t buy the goods as too expensive + US companies being unable to sell theirs across the globe due to retaliations from foreign countries + long term negative impacts on US as these countries will find alternative routes. These will result in increased job losses across the US and reputations damages.
The common sense approach would have been to create tax incentives to bring targeted manufacturing capacity back to the US.
Unless I am missing something, is there any sense to Trump’s Tax policies?
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Yup,
Trump doesn't care.
He's getting his jollies from being "the guy in charge".
Upshot is that its a wake up call on the reality of trade relationships, and Countries being complacent relying on America "the Great".
In hindsight, it will be a good thing I think?
Becoming more obvious by the week that Trump is a Russian Asset.
Nice to see Europe recognising this and firming up.
Just need to get over these next couple of years till the Mid Terms.
Berni217
28-03-2025, 08:29
USA has a big balance of trade deficit with Canada and Trump likes simple, crude solutions. IMO there's never a simple solution to an economic problem, but politics is all about being seen to do something whether it's effective or not.
This is now beyond politics and simply insane as you cannot create more manufacturing capacity overnight. Ford, GM and others in the auto industry would need years to redesign their supply chain and create new production facilities.
Politic suicide surely!
MAIA: Make America Insane Again … Very appropriate!
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Berni217
28-03-2025, 08:46
Yup,
Trump doesn't care.
He's getting his jollies from being "the guy in charge".
Upshot is that its a wake up call on the reality of trade relationships, and Countries being complacent relying on America "the Great".
In hindsight, it will be a good thing I think?
Becoming more obvious by the week that Trump is a Russian Asset.
Nice to see Europe recognising this and firming up.
Just need to get over these next couple of years till the Mid Terms.
It will surely be a wake up call for allies around the world!
Hope there will be a fair mid terms as Trump recently signed an executive order on US election changes. This will impact voters in blue states under the cover of election integrity.
Check out this video:
https://youtu.be/WkVmXDt9mXE?si=iWQ15fSiPwl-4yMp
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This is now beyond politics and simply insane as you cannot create more manufacturing capacity overnight. Ford, GM and others in the auto industry would need years to redesign their supply chain and create new production facilities.
Politic suicide surely!
MAIA: Make America Insane Again … Very appropriate!
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I suspect they could take up the slack with their existing facilities - only figure I can find is 140,000 vehicles and parts imported from Canada in 2023
GM sold 6 million vehicles last year so 140K isn't a huge amount by comparison and that 140K includes parts not just completed vehicles.
Then there's Mexico as well - I think both Ford and GM manufacture in Mexico so vehicles made there for export into USA are also now subject to tariff. No idea about the numbers there. Obviously it's an incentive - or more of a stick - to get them to bring that production back home. There will be a lot of unintended consequences I think.
Berni217
28-03-2025, 14:15
I suspect they could take up the slack with their existing facilities - only figure I can find is 140,000 vehicles and parts imported from Canada in 2023
GM sold 6 million vehicles last year so 140K isn't a huge amount by comparison and that 140K includes parts not just completed vehicles.
Then there's Mexico as well - I think both Ford and GM manufacture in Mexico so vehicles made there for export into USA are also now subject to tariff. No idea about the numbers there. Obviously it's an incentive - or more of a stick - to get them to bring that production back home. There will be a lot of unintended consequences I think.
Here are the numbers:
- Total véhicules (cars and light trucks) sales in the US in 2024 was 15.9 million, which included 3 million cars
- 50% of the cars sold in US last year were imported
- GM sold 2.7 million vehicles; Ford sold 2.08 million véhicules
- GM imported over 46% of its car sales, 21% for Ford
- Both GM and Ford source many parts from outside the US, with a significant number from Mexico.
- Some parts included in the car production cross the border multiple times at different stage of the production process.
- Significant number of parts needed for after sales are also imported
- The supply chain process for those car manufacturers is highly complex and intertwined with those in Mexico and Canada, hence will take time to redesign.
- Even vehicles whose parts aren't subject to tariffs and that are assembled in the U.S. could face price hikes, as automakers attempt to spread new costs out across their lineups. While Cox Automotive expects price hikes of between 15%-20%
- Sub- $30,000 compact SUVs and crossovers that are the most popular are almost all foreign-made, with the exception of one or two, so they'd all be subjected to the 25% tariffs."
- 25% tariffs will push the average price of vehicles between $5k and $10k, which may cut US auto sales by 700k in 2025
Further reads:
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/whats-trumps-new-25-tariffs-us-auto-imports-2025-03-27/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/199974/us-car-sales-since-1951/#:~:text=U.S.%3A%20Annual%20car%20sales%201951%2D2 024&text=The%20U.S.%20auto%20industry%20sold,million%2 0in%20the%20United%20States.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-25-percent-car-tariffs-prices/
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Here are the numbers:
- Total véhicules (cars and light trucks) sales in the US in 2024 was 15.9 million, which included 3 million cars
- 50% of the cars sold in US last year were imported
- GM sold 2.7 million vehicles; Ford sold 2.08 million véhicules
- GM imported over 46% of its car sales, 21% for Ford
- Both GM and Ford source many parts from outside the US, with a significant number from Mexico.
- Some parts included in the car production cross the border multiple times at different stage of the production process.
- Significant number of parts needed for after sales are also imported
- The supply chain process for those car manufacturers is highly complex and intertwined with those in Mexico and Canada, hence will take time to redesign.
- Even vehicles whose parts aren't subject to tariffs and that are assembled in the U.S. could face price hikes, as automakers attempt to spread new costs out across their lineups. While Cox Automotive expects price hikes of between 15%-20%
- Sub- $30,000 compact SUVs and crossovers that are the most popular are almost all foreign-made, with the exception of one or two, so they'd all be subjected to the 25% tariffs."
- 25% tariffs will push the average price of vehicles between $5k and $10k, which may cut US auto sales by 700k in 2025
Further reads:
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/whats-trumps-new-25-tariffs-us-auto-imports-2025-03-27/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/199974/us-car-sales-since-1951/#:~:text=U.S.%3A%20Annual%20car%20sales%201951%2D2 024&text=The%20U.S.%20auto%20industry%20sold,million%2 0in%20the%20United%20States.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-25-percent-car-tariffs-prices/
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You have to balance that against potential long term gains though. You get jobs back in USA and your balance of payments improves. Most people don't buy a new car for fun they buy one because the need it (plus fleet sales) - and foreign cars will be even more expensive, so in theory at least, more will buy American.
Can't have your cake and eat it. If you want more stuff made in your own country instead of in countries where labour is cheaper, then you got to pay more for it. No way around that.
I can't help but think there's better ways to do that than tariffs but tariffs is certainly quick and easy.
Berni217
28-03-2025, 19:01
You have to balance that against potential long term gains though. You get jobs back in USA and your balance of payments improves. Most people don't buy a new car for fun they buy one because the need it (plus fleet sales) - and foreign cars will be even more expensive, so in theory at least, more will buy American.
Can't have your cake and eat it. If you want more stuff made in your own country instead of in countries where labour is cheaper, then you got to pay more for it. No way around that.
I can't help but think there's better ways to do that than tariffs but tariffs is certainly quick and easy.
Tariff maybe quick and easy but it’s definitely not the best way forward, unless you have reached the cliff.
All indicators show that US economy is deteriorating as prices are going up. US is about to have their worse quarter since the Covid pandemic …
Biden’s incentive through the Chips & Science Act was the way to go!
My career taught me that the best and lasting changes to any great businesses are those where people are part of the journey and when you create long & lasting relationships with strategic partners. US is far from being a failing nation, hence drastic measures (I.e Tariffs & Trade war) are completely unnecessary.
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Tariff maybe quick and easy but it’s definitely not the best way forward, unless you have reached the cliff.
All indicators show that US economy is deteriorating as prices are going up. US is about to have their worse quarter since the Covid pandemic …
Biden’s incentive through the Chips & Science Act was the way to go!
My career taught me that the best and lasting changes to any great businesses are those where people are part of the journey and when you create long & lasting relationships with strategic partners. US is far from being a failing nation, hence drastic measures (I.e Tariffs & Trade war) are completely unnecessary.
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Yes - like I said, there's more sophisticated alternatives but that's not the way of Trump.
I don't think it will last long as a policy myself. Face-saving 'deal' will happen down the line - give it six months.
I think everyone is underestimating the Canadians in this, which I think is the daftest of tariffs Trump is imposing on any country, perhaps because of his ambitions to make them part of the US? From what I see on Social Media (must be true, then...) Canada is boycotting American products in their droves - not just Tesla but groceries and other products. In reality though, can anyone boycott US companies without major inconvenience? - I'm not sure in this house we would survive more than a week without an Amazon order or a Netflix show...
WOStantonCS100
28-03-2025, 21:23
Thanks but No Thank you!
You should try to fix your country which is going down hill … Shocking that war plans were mistakenly sent to a reporter! Incompetence?!
https://youtu.be/H1eFV_5XTWk?si=yQFTrxDvc-NsKVXJ
Alex Wong
Checkmate.
It's okay that you still don't get it.
https://i.imgur.com/M6jR7V3.jpeg
WOStantonCS100
29-03-2025, 03:50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UScD3CkQMEY
WOStantonCS100
29-03-2025, 03:52
https://rumble.com/v6raqu4-ep-3606b-time-to-break-the-wheel-of-corruptionsignal-is-clearstealth-bomber.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp
WOStantonCS100
29-03-2025, 04:31
I still wonder about Marco. Silenced on purpose, censored, threatened...
https://rumble.com/v6rc1e8-dr.-simone-gold-the-medical-community-was-in-on-it-pandemic-was-a-plandemic.html
I still wonder about Marco. Silenced on purpose, censored, threatened...
Really?
Pigmy Pony
29-03-2025, 09:20
I can't imagine anyone succeeding in 'silencing' Marco, that's never going to happen. I just know he would be here posting if he was well enough. Get well soon Marco :)
I no longer wonder about the OP.
I think he has just confirmed my thoughts. :lol:
We are going to have to agree to disagree, or disagree to agree on this subject. Other Americans I have spoken to recently have different opinions, but as they say, opinions are like butt holes. Everyone has one.
Can we get back to HiFi now please?
I still wonder about Marco. Silenced on purpose, censored, threatened...
https://rumble.com/v6rc1e8-dr.-simone-gold-the-medical-community-was-in-on-it-pandemic-was-a-plandemic.html
https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/male-conspiracy-theorist-protective-foil-600nw-2335373279.jpg
I no longer wonder about the OP.
I think he has just confirmed my thoughts. :lol:
We are going to have to agree to disagree, or disagree to agree on this subject. Other Americans I have spoken to recently have different opinions, but as they say, opinions are like butt holes. Everyone has one.
Can we get back to HiFi now please?
I stopped wondering when I read this:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-shared-psychosis-of-donald-trump-and-his-loyalists/
Mikeandvan
29-03-2025, 20:27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UScD3CkQMEY
Nothing to see here, just a new FBI leader who also happens to have written a book about dear Leader Trump (King Trump suggesting a God given right to rule), a children's book nonetheless, chock full of Soviet levels of Newspeak. Nauseating.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54340616749_7162d5a12b_z.jpg
Nothing to see here, just a new FBI leader who also happens to have written a book about dear Leader Trump (King Trump suggesting a God given right to rule), a children's book nonetheless, chock full of Soviet levels of Newspeak. Nauseating.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54340616749_7162d5a12b_z.jpg
He has actually written three of them - ending with 'Return Of The King.'
File under 'You couldn't make it up.'
Ridicule is all they deserve.
I've zero fucks left to give for those folks than knowingly peddal their BS.
In the world of the Con man, they are the target.
and a lot of them choose to double down rather than admit they made a mistake and critically think about whats happening.
Till it hits them personally of course, I mean, to hell with those "others"... right?
As the poem says:
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
—Martin Niemöller
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/martin-niemoeller-first-they-came-for-the-socialists
I'd feel sorry for them, but they aren't stupid and do it deliberately.
Cult Deprogramming is whats needed, but its a hard thing to do when your neck deep in it.
Anyhoo...
Its gonna get worse before it gets better, then people wake up and do something about it, hopefully while they still can.
A fish rots from the head down, and thats whats happening in America.
You cant assume the old norms are going to hold any more.
I mean:
Who in the US voted for Oligarchs like Musk to run the US Government? NOBODY
Why do you think he bought Twitter - with the financial backing of those linked to Russian and Saudi Oligarchs?
Its all part of a plan, these guys dont do things by accident.
But hey...
Price of eggs, right?
:scratch:
America was founded by oligarchs, that's nothing new. Money talks bullshit walks.
The majority of voters thought the alternative to Trump was less palatable than Trump. Think about that. They're not all Trump fans by any stretch, but it was a binary choice.
If there had been an intelligent, considered, conservative option (Obama, for example) they would have voted for that instead. But there wasn't.
Insulting people and the choice they made will not make them reconsider, it only increases polarisation. Getting angry never solved any problem but it does make problems a lot more difficult to solve.
... but, but, both sides?
Naa.
Sometimes right is right and wrong is wrong.
IF YOU DONT STAND FOR SOMETHING, YOU WILL FALL FOR EVERYTHING.
And unfortunately they are.
You think of this:
Stating the Election results as a constant is assuming everything was above board and all votes were counted fairly.
Lots of evidence, physical and ancecdotal out there to say it wasn't.
You dont think this lot would try if they thought they would get away with it?
Trump even said he was.
Look at all the voter suppression, gutting of Independant government departments and Political potential opponents, as well as other flagrant attempts to breach the Constitution this Administration is trying.
Its not by accident.
There are always those that keep making excuses for wrongdoing,
and thats how things end up bad.
Agree. Far too many Trump appeasers and apologists. History will not judge them kindly.
... but, but, both sides?
Naa.
Sometimes right is right and wrong is wrong.
IF YOU DONT STAND FOR SOMETHING, YOU WILL FALL FOR EVERYTHING.
And unfortunately they are.
You think of this:
Stating the Election results as a constant is assuming everything was above board and all votes were counted fairly.
Lots of evidence, physical and ancecdotal out there to say it wasn't.
You dont think this lot would try if they thought they would get away with it?
Trump even said he was.
Look at all the voter suppression, gutting of Independant government departments and Political potential opponents, as well as other flagrant attempts to breach the Constitution this Administration is trying.
Its not by accident.
There are always those that keep making excuses for wrongdoing,
and thats how things end up bad.
So when Trump says the 2020 election was rigged against him that's fake news but when he gets elected in '24 that's got to be voter fraud? If you're going to keep denying that there was a big problem with the opposition to Trump then all you can expect in the future is another one - or worse.
Right and wrong is rarely a black and white issue, usually it's just subjective. I've read interviews with ex-Waffen SS officers who were still convinced they were absolutely right up to the day they died. Their wives too.
Of course no-one thinks the Holocaust was right but in their case they just denied it ever happened and saw themselves as fighting for civilisation against the eastern barbarians and they could never understand why the British and Americans wouldn't join them in that.
Everyone is confident they are on the right side of history - it's just a question of perspective. Assuming you have the moral high ground is the worst thing of all - the most terrible atrocities have always been carried out by people who were convinced that what they were doing was morally right. That's how they were able to do such terrible things and still sleep at night.
Trump is a proven liar and convicted Felon.
Nothing subjective about that.
FACT
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_or_misleading_statements_by_Donald_Tru
Your conflating Trumps "Fake News" stuff with proven empirical data, and putting your point of view on me as the reason I said it.
Not the case, not at all.
In case you missed it, Trump and his ilk are the bad guys here, zero question.
Think the poem I alluded to may still be relevant, it doesnt affect some folks, so why should they care.
Ah well, never mind.
Trump is a proven liar and convicted Felon.
Nothing subjective about that.
FACT
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_or_misleading_statements_by_Donald_Tru
Your conflating Trumps "Fake News" stuff with proven empirical data, and putting your point of view on me as the reason I said it.
Not the case, not at all.
In case you missed it, Trump and his ilk are the bad guys here, zero question.
Think the poem I alluded to may still be relevant, it doesnt affect some folks, so why should they care.
Ah well, never mind.
My point was that there's no evidence 2020 was fixed against Trump and as far as I know there is none showing 2024 was fixed in his favour. This came up before and no evidence was presented then either.
The poem I beleive is about Nazi Germany? As a student of that period I think such comparisons are substantially overwrought. Time may prove me wrong, I suppose, but we'll see.
Pigmy Pony
30-03-2025, 22:10
A bit sad I know, but my morning routine consists of:
1. Eat breakfast.
2. Take a dump.
3. Make posh coffee.
4. Switch on Sky News to see what fresh hell Team Trump is considering.
Last couple of days it's been all about Prince Andrew bullying allegations. Not interested, I need my fix of car-crash TV... Though there has been a bit about Trump's buddy Conor McGregor, who would like to be Ireland's next president. General consensus among the Irish people seems to be that the man is (and I quote) "a weapons-grade bellend". So there's still a bit of common sense around.
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/ac80098f3afb5f111f7c21d1a8e3f1815f1ee913/0_79_6777_4066/master/6777.jpg?width=620&dpr=1&s=none&crop=none
Ms. Leavitt gazes longingly at a bellend yesterday
WOStantonCS100
31-03-2025, 04:47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-YBKr40feg
And how much reach and influence on what people see and hear does Musk have as owner of X? If you want balanced content, maybe start there, and then move on to dismantling the Murdoch press empire which helped spread Trumps election lies. Then maybe remove Bezos from The Washington Post.
And how much reach and influence on what people see and hear does Musk have as owner of X? If you want balanced content, maybe start there, and then move on to dismantling the Murdoch press empire which helped spread Trumps election lies. Then maybe remove Bezos from The Washington Post.
I think the argument is that PBS and NPR are partially funded by the taxpayer and therefore should not be partisan.
Privately owned media has always had the bias of its owner(s) going back to the invention of the printing press.
I watch a lot of shows on PBS as the standard is quite high but with their more recent documentaries their left/liberal bias is very obvious.
The BBC gets attacked for bias by both sides, indicating that they probably get it about right - but the standard of their content has been falling since the 1980s.
Mikeandvan
31-03-2025, 21:45
I think the argument is that PBS and NPR are partially funded by the taxpayer and therefore should not be partisan.
Privately owned media has always had the bias of its owner(s) going back to the invention of the printing press.
I watch a lot of shows on PBS as the standard is quite high but with their more recent documentaries their left/liberal bias is very obvious.
The BBC gets attacked for bias by both sides, indicating that they probably get it about right - but the standard of their content has been falling since the 1980s.
PBS is good, watched quite a few biographies of presidents, gives a good overview of different eras, Kennedy/Nixon, Reagan/Bush etc. It's hilarious watching the 2 sides of Israel/Palestine culture war both having a good at the BBC, they literally both think it's a 'mouth piece' for either side, with no question of any leeway for interpretation!
Mikeandvan
31-03-2025, 21:47
I see Trump/Vance are banging on about Greenland again, which they can 'have' without 'the need for military force', still don't know what is going on here, and why Greenland matters to the US! Or whether both Trump and Vance are just blathering idiots.
Pigmy Pony
31-03-2025, 22:20
Greenland's couple of trillion dollars worth of minerals won't have occurred to them. Apparently Putin is OK with this - Sky News suggested it might be a case of "You do what you want with Greenland, just look the other way with what we're doing with Ukraine".
Or whether both Trump and Vance are just blathering idiots.
I think the vast majority of us would agree with that...
Pigmy Pony
01-04-2025, 06:29
I think the vast majority of us would agree with that...
I suspect the majority in this country is beyond vast. Though there may be some who do think they're right, I would call them 'Silent Trumpers'.
I suspect the majority in this country is beyond vast. Though there may be some who do think they're right, I would call them 'Silent Trumpers'.
They are the kind of people who fart quietly when in a lift with other people.
Greenland's couple of trillion dollars worth of minerals won't have occurred to them.
I suppose that's the attraction of Canada too. Otherwise can't see why he would want it. Freezing cold and bigfoot roaming round and going through your bins of a night.
Pigmy Pony
01-04-2025, 07:26
I suppose that's the attraction of Canada too. Otherwise can't see why he would want it. Freezing cold and bigfoot roaming round and going through your bins of a night.
And their TV is awful! Remember "Beachcombers", and "Police Surgeon"? Thought not. Anyhoo, I'm told the regular folk are super-nice. And America could do with a bit of that.
And their TV is awful! Remember "Beachcombers", and "Police Surgeon"? Thought not. Anyhoo, I'm told the regular folk are super-nice. And America could do with a bit of that.
When 'The Beachcombers' came on that was always the signal to go and do something else with what remained of your Saturday morning.
'The Kids In The Hall' was good, that's about the only other Canadian show I can think of.
He'd be better off going after Australia - lots of minerals, warmer, better telly ('Bluey', 'Chopper Squad') - and Kylie.
Pigmy Pony
01-04-2025, 08:24
And of course Prisoner Cell Block H, I'm surprised you forgot that one.
And of course Prisoner Cell Block H, I'm surprised you forgot that one.
Yes, and 'The Sullivans' too.
Seems that descendants of convicts make better telly than descendants of fur trappers and religious extremists. Got to be a PhD in there for someone.
Jeezus! With The Sullivans, Beachcombers and Prisoner, I think you’ve managed to find three things more repellant than Trump :lol:
…But I think I can top them:
https://i.ibb.co/B20PtHK2/IMG-8687.webp (https://ibb.co/4Rhf7wgR)
Pigmy Pony
01-04-2025, 09:30
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ8ItsUU1Hm2cAleCGs_PSx2EFsHbRzO 9yywBcNM4wI7UFVHEe6
What's that, Skip? Trump's trapped down a well? Best place for him, the big galah...
Jeezus! With The Sullivans, Beachcombers and Prisoner, I think you’ve managed to find three things more repellant than Trump :lol:
'Prisoner' was classic 'after the pub' viewing. It's crapness was part of the appeal. Some parallel with Trump there.
'The Beachcombers' was dull but I was never repelled by it.
…But I think I can top them:
https://i.ibb.co/B20PtHK2/IMG-8687.webp (https://ibb.co/4Rhf7wgR)
Agreed! (Clever piece of image manipulation there!)
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ8ItsUU1Hm2cAleCGs_PSx2EFsHbRzO 9yywBcNM4wI7UFVHEe6
What's that, Skip? Trump's trapped down a well? Best place for him, the big galah...
Haha too right! Now, Skippy was more my kind of programme, and the star of the show was damn cute.
Pieoftheday
01-04-2025, 18:45
And of course Prisoner Cell Block H, I'm surprised you forgot that one.
That was Australian?
Pigmy Pony
01-04-2025, 20:13
How could they not be Australian, looking like that?
https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/SEI_136152379-caab-e1693558900430.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=646
I suppose that's the attraction of Canada too. Otherwise can't see why he would want it. Freezing cold and bigfoot roaming round and going through your bins of a night.
100%
Fuck that Guy :D
I suppose that's the attraction of Canada too. Otherwise can't see why he would want it. Freezing cold and bigfoot roaming round and going through your bins of a night.
No Rush to talk about how bad their music is either...
Why Ambassador with these chocolates you are spoiling Us...
How could they not be Australian, looking like that?
https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/SEI_136152379-caab-e1693558900430.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=646
Pigmy Pony
02-04-2025, 06:01
No Rush to talk about how bad their music is either...
They did give us Neil Young, but then there's Justin Bieber, Celine Dione and Drake. Like Meatloaf used to say, One out of four ain't good.
Pigmy Pony
02-04-2025, 06:31
[Telephone ringing at the Kremlin]
"Comrade Trump! What can I do for you?"
"Well for a start you can FedEx my Taylor Swift CDs back to me. I'm cancelling our sleepover, and I don't want to braid your hair no more."
I knew he'd have to get tough at some point.
Firebottle
02-04-2025, 06:44
:lol:
Mikeandvan
02-04-2025, 08:33
BBC Russia correspondent Steve Rosenberg on X -
'One Russian newspaper today accuses the Trump administration of “administrative insanity, inexperience, immaturity…(of) bragging and arrogance…” Another paper: “On Ukraine talks, Donald’s mood changes as often as the wind.”'
https://x.com/BBCSteveR/status/1907318141748674924
BBC Russia correspondent Steve Rosenberg on X -
'One Russian newspaper today accuses the Trump administration of “administrative insanity, inexperience, immaturity…(of) bragging and arrogance…” Another paper: “On Ukraine talks, Donald’s mood changes as often as the wind.”'
https://x.com/BBCSteveR/status/1907318141748674924
Donald likes to trash talk in fact that's really 95 percent of what he does. Trash talk does have the advantage that it can put the other guy off balance, but if you do it all the time eventually he'll switch off from it and it loses any effectiveness.
All the crazy stuff he says gets reported as though it matters, because he's the POTUS and it's commonly accepted that anything the POTUS says is important. But that can only last so long if there's a continual stream of bullshit. Eventually everyone is going to switch off from it if he continues it at his current rate. Like the nutter in the pub, in the end all the regulars learn to just ignore him.
100%
:thumbsup:
Donald likes to trash talk in fact that's really 95 percent of what he does. Trash talk does have the advantage that it can put the other guy off balance, but if you do it all the time eventually he'll switch off from it and it loses any effectiveness.
All the crazy stuff he says gets reported as though it matters, because he's the POTUS and it's commonly accepted that anything the POTUS says is important. But that can only last so long if there's a continual stream of bullshit. Eventually everyone is going to switch off from it if he continues it at his current rate. Like the nutter in the pub, in the end all the regulars learn to just ignore him.
Mikeandvan
02-04-2025, 12:41
Donald likes to trash talk in fact that's really 95 percent of what he does. Trash talk does have the advantage that it can put the other guy off balance, but if you do it all the time eventually he'll switch off from it and it loses any effectiveness.
All the crazy stuff he says gets reported as though it matters, because he's the POTUS and it's commonly accepted that anything the POTUS says is important. But that can only last so long if there's a continual stream of bullshit. Eventually everyone is going to switch off from it if he continues it at his current rate. Like the nutter in the pub, in the end all the regulars learn to just ignore him.
Yeah, it'll become as predictable as Putin's nuclear threats.
Mikeandvan
02-04-2025, 12:46
Trump is 100% bullshit through and through, a little rich kid pretending to be a self made man, a failed businessman bought out by stolen Russian cash, and now a Trump meme coin to top off all the bullshit, the most bullshit of things ever created - Crypto currency, a completely valueless ghost currency, so valueless that they have to make out its 'mined' from having 1000s of computers linked up or some such bullshit, 'mining' the crypto.
https://news.bitcoin.com/trump-and-melania-tokens-2-months-later-a-presidential-meme-coin-experiment/
Yeah, it'll become as predictable as Putin's nuclear threats.
Already is IMV.
Pigmy Pony
02-04-2025, 17:00
Donald likes to trash talk in fact that's really 95 percent of what he does. Trash talk does have the advantage that it can put the other guy off balance, but if you do it all the time eventually he'll switch off from it and it loses any effectiveness.
All the crazy stuff he says gets reported as though it matters, because he's the POTUS and it's commonly accepted that anything the POTUS says is important. But that can only last so long if there's a continual stream of bullshit. Eventually everyone is going to switch off from it if he continues it at his current rate. Like the nutter in the pub, in the end all the regulars learn to just ignore him.
But then the nutter in the pub trashes the place and the regulars have to cough up more for their beer to pay for the damage.
Berni217
03-04-2025, 07:53
US Tariffs applied to even uninhabited islands … Such a great job Trump!
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250402-us-tariffs-take-aim-everywhere-including-uninhabited-islands
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