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Spectral Morn
29-11-2019, 22:28
Good for you, dude, and knowing you I'd expect nothing less! My comments were aimed at the Dan/Eagles/Mac fans who rarely if ever listen to any new music or go to gigs, and simply wallow in the 'joys' of their [rather limiting] CD or vinyl collection;)
You often meet them at hi-fi shows, either as demonstrators or punters - in fact music sellers, such as Diverse Vinyl, who sell LPs and CDs at such events, deliberately tailor their stock to satisfy the demands of said, stuck-in-a-rut dinosaurs, and buyers solely of stuff that's well-produced and 'sounds good' - I know because I've spoken to Paul, the owner, and we often have a giggle about it!:eyebrows:
Marco.
He is certainly happy to fleece said buyers as well, but taking the piss of them, well maybe they might do better buying their choice of music elsewhere.
Ok MR smarty pants try this
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191129/b65eaafabb3b122446ce60dcd2c5bbf0.jpg
Rival Sons - Feral Roots
Interesting, and more than decent... Ok, try some Gloo:
https://youtu.be/RCsiFHleM1M
Play LOUD!! :hairmetal::hairmetal:
More info here: http://www.glooband.com/#
Marco.
Spectral Morn
29-11-2019, 22:31
Its not a great thing to be elitist or snobby about peoples music and listening habits or what and how they listen. If they get pleasure from it, thats all that matters.
He is certainly happy to fleece said buyers as well, but taking the piss of them, well maybe they might do better buying their choice of music elsewhere.
Lol - don't know about "fleece"; he's catering for a captive audience at shows, so I guess there's a going rate. Never had a problem getting a reasonable discount though, for bulk purchases!;)
Marco.
Spectral Morn
29-11-2019, 22:35
Lol - don't know about "fleece"; he's catering for a captive audience at shows, so I guess there's a going rate. Never had a problem getting a reasonable discount though, for bulk purchases!;)
Marco.
I have seen him say no to all sorts of people, including myself. I would buy elsewhere, and for less money.
Its not a great thing to be elitist or snobby about peoples music and listening habits or what and how they listen. If they get pleasure from it, thats all that matters.
Stop being so serious, Mr Serious!!:ner:
Marco.
I have seen him say no to all sorts of people, including myself. I would buy elsewhere, and for less money.
He must just like me then:D
Marco.
Ok, back to new music... If the full-on angsty punk of Gloo was a bit too much for yer delicate lugholes (lol), then chillax to the smooth, mellow electronic vibes of Seb Wildblood:
https://youtu.be/DFQST83B20Q
Moby, eat ya heart out!:eyebrows:
Or from his new album Sketches of Transition, the stunningly melodic 'Amelia':
https://youtu.be/yX4bhdx8U4k
Great one for playing at night in the car, driving fast along, quiet winding country roads...Yeah man, kiss-ass groovy!:hotrod:
Check out the dude performing a live set, he's super talented:
https://youtu.be/3sbYcP9Ko1k
:rave::rave:
Feck yer Steely Dan;)
Marco.
Reminds me - I was listening to the Eagles the other night (no Lebowski quotes please!) - the album 'One Of These Nights', and although I've owned it for 30 odd years and played it a million times I was struck by just how good it is. Not just the production, but the lyrics, the song structures, and the musicianship. In pretty much every respect it is so much more accomplished than the utter shit that passes for music these days that there really can be no comparison.
So I'll happily stay stuck in the past and just thank god that there was so much music made back then when people actually understood what music is.
This is something which not only validates much art from a while ago, but deals with what makes really good art - its composition.
A friend ahs just bought me the CD containing Steve Miller's Return to Eden, a brilliant track from '72, and one which is well written, and still valid in every way. (And of course quite subtle).
Not exactly new, but one of my favourite 'out there' ambient bands, Nurse with Wound (a classic album from 1997):
https://youtu.be/UTXnju3lEIA
Subtle but sheer genius! One to listen to alone, with the lights out, whilst toking on the finest ganja....:eyebrows:
Marco.
Or again, not exactly new, but for some cool rocky blues, with a bit of 'edge', here's Ledfoot (Tim Scott McConnell):
https://youtu.be/89Ub_Fjf1ys
Check out his new album White Crow, it's tops: https://play.google.com/music/preview/Bopoh4bgwqi3p6556bz5mm72v7u?play=1
Marco.
AJSki2fly
30-11-2019, 06:39
Cheers Marco, I will check them all out as I know you have impeccable taste, apart from your Steely Dan issues. [emoji23][emoji8]
Lol - I don't hate SD, or even remotely dislike them.
I fully 'get' why they're hugely popular, and they've rightly earned their reputation as one of the best American rock bands of all time, and I have all of their albums on vinyl, plus some duplicates on CD... *But* whilst I've always liked their music, I've never been a big fan - and that's the difference. I also haven't played any of their stuff for years.
Plus, and don't get me wrong this doesn't apply to every SD fan, as I know there are plenty of exceptions, but in general (based on my experience) they tend to be rather stuck in their ways, and their musical choices 'safe'/samey, not very experimental, and rather boring, so if they're not listening to their Dan albums, it'll be something else of a similar ilk, or of the same genre/era.
The other thing that pisses me off is how 'audiophiles' have adopted their music, as in general it's well produced and therefore been played to death at hi-fi shows, or before then during 'tune dems' I've attended back in the day, where the LP12 turntable was demonstrated by Linn representatives, and all of that nerdy sadness for me has eroded much of SD's musical merit.
As you can see from the stuff I've just posted videos of, my musical tastes are VERY wide and varied(!) and therefore not easily pigeonholed into any one category, plus this bit is crucial:
I don't (or very rarely) listen to the same music/play the same albums I grew up with [although I was mostly into pop and electronic music when I was a teenager], which many people around my age tend to do/have those habits, and be rather stuck in their ways.
Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt - and moved on! So these days I like finding new stuff and pushing my musical boundaries, and even listening to types of music that at one time I'd *never* have entertained in a month of Sundays, such as jazz and classical, and which I now love!
I guess it's part of my experimental nature and desire to be different, and not make the same old predictable choices. I'm exactly the same with food, drink, cars, travel, interior design - you name it! A creature of habit or a 'mainstream monkey' I am not!:)
Marco.
youve got a habit of saying that :ner:
walpurgis
30-11-2019, 09:55
youve got a habit of saying that :ner:
Ha Ha, you beat me to it Grant! :D
:lolsign:
Anyway, hopefully I've successfully made my point.
Marco.
I like the ‘Gloo’ record.
RobbieGong
30-11-2019, 10:49
Lol - I don't hate SD, or even remotely dislike them.
I fully 'get' why they're hugely popular, and they've rightly earned their reputation as one of the best American rock bands of all time, and I have all of their albums on vinyl, plus some duplicates on CD... *But* whilst I've always liked their music, I've never been a big fan - and that's the difference. I also haven't played any of their stuff for years.
Plus, and don't get me wrong this doesn't apply to every SD fan, as I know there are plenty of exceptions, but in general (based on my experience) they tend to be rather stuck in their ways, and their musical choices 'safe'/samey, not very experimental, and rather boring, so if they're not listening to their Dan albums, it'll be something else of a similar ilk or of the same genre and era.
The other thing that pisses me off is how 'audiophiles' have adopted their music, as in general it's well produced and therefore been played to death at hi-fi shows, or before then during 'tune dems' I've attended back in the day, where the LP12 turntable was demonstrated by Linn representatives, and all of that nerdy sadness for me has eroded much of SD's musical merit.
As you can see from the stuff I've just posted videos of, my musical tastes are VERY wide and varied(!) and therefore not easily pigeonholed into any one category, plus this bit is crucial:
I don't (or very rarely) listen to the same music/play the same albums I grew up with [although I was mostly into pop and electronic music when I was a teenager], which many people around my age tend to do, and be rather stuck in their ways.
Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt - and moved on! So these days I like finding new stuff and pushing my musical boundaries, and even listening to types of music at one time I'd *never* have entertained in a month of Sundays, such as jazz and classical, and which I now love!
I guess it's part of my experimental nature and desire to be different, and not make the same old predictable choices. I'm exactly the same with food, drink, cars, travel, interior design - you name it! A creature of habit or a 'mainstream monkey' I am not!:)
Marco.
Thou art God and perfection itself .... :eyebrows: :D
Plus, and don't get me wrong this doesn't apply to every SD fan, as I know there are plenty of exceptions, but in general (based on my experience) they tend to be rather stuck in their ways, and their musical choices 'safe'/samey, not very experimental, and rather boring, so if they're not listening to their Dan albums, it'll be something else of a similar ilk or of the same genre and era.
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Name just one then. This is the same bollocks as the myth that there are people with massively expensive systems but who only own a handful of recordings. They don't exist. The reality is the people with massively expensive systems also have huge collections of vinyl and CD, more than they could ever have the time to listen to.
The reason people still listen to - and bang on about - The Eagles, Steely Dan, Led Zep and so on is because they were brilliant, a cut way above the average. So their music remains popular and timeless. Funnily enough you could say the same about The Beatles, but Beatles fans never get accused of living in the past, or having limited taste or any of that nonsense. There's more content on this site about the Beatles, and the zillion re-issues of the Beatles, than about any other band put together.
Likewise people listening to classical like Bach, Beethoven, Mozart also never get any of this sort of grief, and yet that music has been around for hundreds of years. Talk about living in the past! Once again, the continuing popularity of their compositions is down to their genius. No doubt there were a thousand other composers running around at the same time as they were and who have disappeared into obscurity. The cream always rises to the top and stays there forever. Mediocrity gets forgotten.
I have a few Eagles's recordings (on both vinyl and CD) - and I enjoy them. They are, to me, the perfect example of AOR. :sofa:
I also have most of Steely Dan's output (on vinyl), I don't know why, because I'm not sure if I like them and only play them sporadically. :scratch:
I fucking hate the Eagles, man. As far as Steely Dan is concerned, the first five albums are essential and I often play them, the later ones less so. Once they become more jazz than rock I kind of lost interest.
Name just one then. This is the same bollocks as the myth that there are people with massively expensive systems but who only own a handful of recordings. They don't exist. The reality is the people with massively expensive systems also have huge collections of vinyl and CD, more than they could ever have the time to listen to.
The reason people still listen to - and bang on about - The Eagles, Steely Dan, Led Zep and so on is because they were brilliant, a cut way above the average. So their music remains popular and timeless. Funnily enough you could say the same about The Beatles, but Beatles fans never get accused of living in the past, or having limited taste or any of that nonsense. There's more content on this site about the Beatles, and the zillion re-issues of the Beatles, than about any other band put together.
Likewise people listening to classical like Bach, Beethoven, Mozart also never get any of this sort of grief, and yet that music has been around for hundreds of years. Talk about living in the past! Once again, the continuing popularity of their compositions is down to their genius. No doubt there were a thousand other composers running around at the same time as they were and who have disappeared into obscurity. The cream always rises to the top and stays there forever. Mediocrity gets forgotten.
Lol - name just one? You wouldn't know them... Some friends, folks I've met over the years, in various places, but especially at places such as Scalford, where I've demo'd numerous AoS systems, and used to get 'looks' from folk when I veered away from mainstream fayre/golden oldies/audiophile pap, and played anything a bit challenging or 'out there'.
They weren't just SD fans, but fans of other bands of the same ilk, all the stuff you've mentioned, as I talked to them about it, and in general I find that those types of people tend to stick to what they know, music wise, and rarely step out of their comfort zones. You seem to be a bit like that too, no? There's nothing wrong with it, as you like what you like, but I'm fundamentally not wired that way!:)
Plus, and I can tell you this as fact, based on the years when I worked in hi-fi shops (particularly during my time at Acoustica, in Chester), that there are plenty of folks with hugely expensive hi-fi systems and painfully small music collections - I've MET and KNOWN them, been to their homes and seen it first hand for myself. One guy I knew, used to spend tens of thousands of pounds on equipment, cables all sorts (box-swapping all the time), simply to play his 20 or so Acoustic Alchemy and Antonio Forcione CDs!:doh::D And no, he wasn't a Steely Dan fan...
You should know me by now - I *always* speak from experience! In any case though, there's no need to take umbrage about what I've said; it's only an opinion, based on what I've observed first-hand over the years, and why when folks go on about the classic old bands, my eyes sometimes glaze over, even though, as I've said, I can fully appreciate why they've been so successful and their music has stood the test of time.
However, that doesn't mean there isn't a shedload of great music out there, and many talented musicians today, if you take the blinkers off and make some effort to find it!;)
Marco.
anthonyTD
30-11-2019, 11:24
:exactly::clapclapclap:
Name just one then. This is the same bollocks as the myth that there are people with massively expensive systems but who only own a handful of recordings. They don't exist. The reality is the people with massively expensive systems also have huge collections of vinyl and CD, more than they could ever have the time to listen to.
The reason people still listen to - and bang on about - The Eagles, Steely Dan, Led Zep and so on is because they were brilliant, a cut way above the average. So their music remains popular and timeless. Funnily enough you could say the same about The Beatles, but Beatles fans never get accused of living in the past, or having limited taste or any of that nonsense. There's more content on this site about the Beatles, and the zillion re-issues of the Beatles, than about any other band put together.
Likewise people listening to classical like Bach, Beethoven, Mozart also never get any of this sort of grief, and yet that music has been around for hundreds of years. Talk about living in the past! Once again, the continuing popularity of their compositions is down to their genius. No doubt there were a thousand other composers running around at the same time as they were and who have disappeared into obscurity. The cream always rises to the top and stays there forever. Mediocrity gets forgotten.
I'm a bit like Marco, where as I get the most pleasure from hearing new sounds from unknown to me artists, they don't need to be young and energetic with careers to build, they just need to present in away, that makes one reach for the volume control, or to latch onto a lyric to search out on the net at a later time.
Now here's a plug for Cam FM 97.2, run by a Cambridge University, its first strength was it had hardly any DJ interaction, then the appeal of listening to loads of unknown music took hold , then the follow up searchs to discover the artists and introduce my partner to the artists.
There is also a live show with invited in Artists, that is special.
I'm even buying a micro recorder to save the replays when I'm driving, to make the later searches easier.
I've got a ditty written somewhere,I have to find where it is left, I believe it is 'City in Colour'.
a Acoustic Band.
If I have called it right or wrong, worth a search to have a listen.
Yes Anthony, but the point it there's LOADS of great music produced today, some of which I've posted videos of, which is far from being mediocre. You just have to be willing to widen your horizons a bit and not get stuck in a rut.
Marco.
anthonyTD
30-11-2019, 11:26
:exactly:
However, that doesn't mean there isn't a shedload of great music out there, and many talented musicians today, if you take the blinkers off and make some effort to find it!;)
Marco.
Last night I was mostly listening to William Byrd (1543–1623) and Johann Nepomuk Hummel (1778–1837). On vinyl. There's living in the past for you.
anthonyTD
30-11-2019, 11:35
The Allman Brothers.
Another one of my favorites from the day!
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They weren't just SD fans, but fans of other bands of the same ilk, all the stuff you've mentioned, as I talked to them about it, and in general I find that those types of people tend to stick to what they know and rarely step out of their comfort zones. You seem to be a bit like that too, no?
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I do give that impression I suppose but it's mainly to wind people up. :D
About the only genres I don't listen to are country/western, classical, acoustic folk and World. I've got a fairly extensive collection of rap and hip hop, that seems to be a pretty rare thing - on this site anyway. And it only scratches the surface of what is out there in that genre. Same with jazz. There isn't enough time to listen to all the really good stuff that has already been done, let alone spend it seeking out new bands who are really just re-hashing what has been done before. Sometimes I think people just do that for the sake of it, or so they can say that they do it as some sort of musical taste virtue signalling. Music for me is not a commodity to be consumed, and I don't want to accumulate shelves full of obscure music by obscure artists that I'm never going to play again once the novelty has worn off because, frankly, it wasn't much cop to begin with.
There are bands/artists I really like from years ago and I haven't got anything like all the stuff they ever did yet. Curtis Mayfield for example. I'd rather spend my time exploring what remains to be got at there than chase about looking for something new that might be worth bothering with. The way I see it, if a new band/artist is really good, and genuinely creating new and exciting sounds, I'll hear about them anyway. The cream rises to the top. I won't need to seek them out.
mightymonoped
30-11-2019, 12:10
I tend to switch off whenever anyone starts talking about music they don’t like, to be honest.
It’s such a changeable thing, for me at least. My preferences change with age, with mood, with environment, with weather....whatever!
If you’re going to talk about music, tell me what you like now with passion, not about what you don’t like.
Life’s too short for that shit.
There’s too much good stuff (past, present and future) for any one human to listen to in a single lifetime, so I only want to hear what you think is worth listening to, not reasons why it’s not.
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AJSki2fly
30-11-2019, 12:26
Lol - I don't hate SD, or even remotely dislike them.
I fully 'get' why they're hugely popular, and they've rightly earned their reputation as one of the best American rock bands of all time, and I have all of their albums on vinyl, plus some duplicates on CD... *But* whilst I've always liked their music, I've never been a big fan - and that's the difference. I also haven't played any of their stuff for years.
Plus, and don't get me wrong this doesn't apply to every SD fan, as I know there are plenty of exceptions, but in general (based on my experience) they tend to be rather stuck in their ways, and their musical choices 'safe'/samey, not very experimental, and rather boring, so if they're not listening to their Dan albums, it'll be something else of a similar ilk or of the same genre and era.
The other thing that pisses me off is how 'audiophiles' have adopted their music, as in general it's well produced and therefore been played to death at hi-fi shows, or before then during 'tune dems' I've attended back in the day, where the LP12 turntable was demonstrated by Linn representatives, and all of that nerdy sadness for me has eroded much of SD's musical merit.
As you can see from the stuff I've just posted videos of, my musical tastes are VERY wide and varied(!) and therefore not easily pigeonholed into any one category, plus this bit is crucial:
I don't (or very rarely) listen to the same music/play the same albums I grew up with [although I was mostly into pop and electronic music when I was a teenager], which many people around my age tend to do/have those habits, and be rather stuck in their ways.
Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt - and moved on! So these days I like finding new stuff and pushing my musical boundaries, and even listening to types of music at one time I'd *never* have entertained in a month of Sundays, such as jazz and classical, and which I now love!
I guess it's part of my experimental nature and desire to be different, and not make the same old predictable choices. I'm exactly the same with food, drink, cars, travel, interior design - you name it! A creature of habit or a 'mainstream monkey' I am not!:)
Marco.
Thou art God and perfection itself .... :eyebrows: :D
OMG don't say that we will never here the end of it, his ego is only just under control as its is:sofa::eyebrows::lol:
anthonyTD
30-11-2019, 14:26
Indeed! :)
I tend to switch off whenever anyone starts talking about music they don’t like, to be honest.
It’s such a changeable thing, for me at least. My preferences change with age, with mood, with environment, with weather....whatever!
If you’re going to talk about music, tell me what you like now with passion, not about what you don’t like.
Life’s too short for that shit.
There’s too much good stuff (past, present and future) for any one human to listen to in a single lifetime, so I only want to hear what you think is worth listening to, not reasons why it’s not.
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Name just one then. This is the same bollocks as the myth that there are people with massively expensive systems but who only own a handful of recordings. They don't exist. The reality is the people with massively expensive systems also have huge collections of vinyl and CD, more than they could ever have the time to listen to.
The reason people still listen to - and bang on about - The Eagles, Steely Dan, Led Zep and so on is because they were brilliant, a cut way above the average. So their music remains popular and timeless. Funnily enough you could say the same about The Beatles, but Beatles fans never get accused of living in the past, or having limited taste or any of that nonsense. There's more content on this site about the Beatles, and the zillion re-issues of the Beatles, than about any other band put together.
Likewise people listening to classical like Bach, Beethoven, Mozart also never get any of this sort of grief, and yet that music has been around for hundreds of years. Talk about living in the past! Once again, the continuing popularity of their compositions is down to their genius. No doubt there were a thousand other composers running around at the same time as they were and who have disappeared into obscurity. The cream always rises to the top and stays there forever. Mediocrity gets forgotten.
I disagree with the last point, much mediocrity gets loved and cherished for all sorts of reasons.
Taste in music provides a sociological insight into the aficionado.
Yes Anthony, but the point it there's LOADS of great music produced today, some of which I've posted videos of, which is far from being mediocre. You just have to be willing to widen your horizons a bit and not get stuck in a rut.
Marco.
I think what made much music great, at least initially, was that it did widen our experience by revealing new concepts.
I tend to switch off whenever anyone starts talking about music they don’t like, to be honest.
It’s such a changeable thing, for me at least. My preferences change with age, with mood, with environment, with weather....whatever!
If you’re going to talk about music, tell me what you like now with passion, not about what you don’t like.
Life’s too short for that shit.
There’s too much good stuff (past, present and future) for any one human to listen to in a single lifetime, so I only want to hear what you think is worth listening to, not reasons why it’s not.
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Yes, we change and grow, and so music's relationship with us changes.
Is there a list somewhere that I can check my music collection against to ascertain which of it is great, good, mediocre or shite?
anthonyTD
30-11-2019, 16:33
Just list it all here, and i am sure someone will tell you what's what! :eek::D
Is there a list somewhere that I can check my music collection against to ascertain which of it is great, good, mediocre or shite?
mightymonoped
30-11-2019, 16:43
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I do give that impression I suppose but it's mainly to wind people up. :D
About the only genres I don't listen to are country/western, classical, acoustic folk and World. I've got a fairly extensive collection of rap and hip hop, that seems to be a pretty rare thing - on this site anyway. And it only scratches the surface of what is out there in that genre. Same with jazz. There isn't enough time to listen to all the really good stuff that has already been done, let alone spend it seeking out new bands who are really just re-hashing what has been done before. Sometimes I think people just do that for the sake of it, or so they can say that they do it as some sort of musical taste virtue signalling. Music for me is not a commodity to be consumed, and I don't want to accumulate shelves full of obscure music by obscure artists that I'm never going to play again once the novelty has worn off because, frankly, it wasn't much cop to begin with.
There are bands/artists I really like from years ago and I haven't got anything like all the stuff they ever did yet. Curtis Mayfield for example. I'd rather spend my time exploring what remains to be got at there than chase about looking for something new that might be worth bothering with. The way I see it, if a new band/artist is really good, and genuinely creating new and exciting sounds, I'll hear about them anyway. The cream rises to the top. I won't need to seek them out.
Lol... Well, I don't think you're really winding anyone up, certainly not me, but for what purpose would you portray an image of yourself that's false?:hmm:
I don't do 'yee-hah' country and western, but quite enjoy the likes of Johnny Cash, and wouldn't really rule out anything on the basis that it was classed as 'country'. I certainly listen to 'acoustic folk' and love lots of world music. However your complete ruling out of classical music does surprise me, as aside from anything else, so much other great music and film scores have been inspired by it.
So what's the deal then with you not liking classical - what is it about it that doesn't float your boat?
Rap and hip-hop was a genre I wasn't much into until recently. I've always liked some of it, but never really explored it properly, but that changed when I installed the car system, with a 12" sub in the boot, which pumps out levels of bass that can make you feel queasy!:D For me, you need a system that can genuinely shift air and deliver huge dollops of sphincter-tight, controlled and extended low-frequencies, in order to properly appreciate the likes of rap, hip-hop and reggae.
In that respect, all three genres are what I reach for first when playing music in the car, as it's just a riot!!:eyebrows:
In terms of time for listening to all the good music that's out there, well when you're retired you'll have all the time in the world, so why not use some of it to discover some new music you might really like?
I certainly do, and it can be a very rewarding experience. I spend around half my time listening to the great music I've got (on various formats), and the other discovering new stuff. I just get a buzz out of finding new music that hits the spot, sometimes from the unlikeliest of places, especially if I've heard it live, which otherwise I may never have known existed.
For me it's not about 'accumulating shelves full of obscure music', just to be 'different', trendy or whatever, but rather expanding my musical horizons and broadening my 'palate', much in the same way as I do with food or wine, and so would no sooner stick to eating chargrilled steak and chips, because I liked it, and not experiment with tasting other types of food/flavours, than I would listening to <insert your favourite band here> all the time, because I like them. Variety is the spice of life!!
And in terms of this bit, I completely disagree:
The way I see it, if a new band/artist is really good, and genuinely creating new and exciting sounds, I'll hear about them anyway. The cream rises to the top. I won't need to seek them out.
In reality, that's not often the case, as whether the music of any talented musician(s) becomes well-known or not, depends on a number of factors, not least of all luck and also how good your promoter is... There are 1000s of very talented bands/artists out there who have never became 'famous', and aren't likely to either, simply because the music that they produce doesn't really appeal to mainstream audiences, but if I liked it, I'd still rather own their output, or take active steps to discover them in the first place, than wait until they (if ever) made it big.
So quite simply, by not seeking out such music you're potentially depriving yourself of discovering stuff that you might absolutely love, or grow to do so, more than anything else you've EVER heard before - yes even Steely Dan!:D
No, much like the food I eat, my musical diet *must* be suitably rewarding and diverse, as otherwise I'd get bored, and listening to music would not be the emotionally rewarding and special experience it can often be.
Marco.
anthonyTD
30-11-2019, 18:08
:)
In reality, that's not often the case, as whether the music of any talented musician(s) becomes well-known or not, depends on a number of factors, not least of all luck and also how good your promoter is... There are 1000s of very talented bands/artists out there who have never became 'famous', and aren't likely to either, simply because the music that they produce doesn't really appeal to mainstream audiences, but if I liked it, I'd still rather own their output, or take active steps to discover them in the first place, than wait until they (if ever) made it big.
So quite simply, by not seeking out such music you're potentially depriving yourself of discovering stuff that you might absolutely love, or grow to do so, more than anything else you've EVER heard before - yes even Steely Dan!:D
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
30-11-2019, 18:08
Is there a list somewhere that I can check my music collection against to ascertain which of it is great, good, mediocre or shite?
No need - if it's in your collection, and you like it and play it, then it IS great. Easy to discern which is the shite, it's the stuff you can't be bothered with. And sod everyone else :)
I don't do 'yee-hah' country and western, but quite enjoy the likes of Johnny Cash, and wouldn't really rule out anything on the basis that it was classed as 'country'. I certainly listen to 'acoustic folk' and love lots of world music. However your complete ruling out of classical music does surprise me, as aside from anything else, so much other great music and film scores have been inspired by it.
So what's the deal then with you not liking classical - what is it about it that doesn't float your boat?
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No idea and I have tried more than once to get into it but it just doesn't do it for me. We don't get to decide what we like or don't like. Nothing I can do about it.
No need - if it's in your collection, and you like it and play it, then it IS great. Easy to discern which is the shite, it's the stuff you can't be bothered with.
That would be Wagner's 'Ring' cycle, plus any other opera in my collection. But I wouldn't call it 'shite', just music I don't 'get'.
Quite liked the ring when young. Not sure why tho. Prefer Mendelson
No idea and I have tried more than once to get into it but it just doesn't do it for me. We don't get to decide what we like or don't like. Nothing I can do about it.
No worries... Just wondered if there was something you didn't like that you could put your finger on. When I didn't like classical music during my teens and twenties, it was because I considered it as boring 'old man's music'. I had a different perspective on that kind of thing back then, and your attitude and tastes change when you get older.
Marco.
No worries... Just wondered if there was something you didn't like that you could put your finger on. When I didn't like classical music during my teens and twenties, it was because I considered it as boring 'old man's music'. I had a different perspective on that kind of thing back then, and your attitude and tastes change when you get older.
Marco.
It's not that I dislike it, I don't object to it at all. Except for the modern, discordant stuff. But emotionally there is no connection for me. So I wouldn't ever listen to it out of choice. Films are different. A lot of my favourite films are classically scored. There it works for me.
dave2010
30-11-2019, 22:47
That would be Wagner's 'Ring' cycle, plus any other opera in my collection. But I wouldn't call it 'shite', just music I don't 'get'.
Do you ever go to opera (or to the cinema screenings, which are generally a lot cheaper)? Some really do work for me, but maybe not too many. Tosca and Madam Butterfly are two of my favourites, and the Met Turandot a few weeks back was terrific. Gounod’s Faust was a great surprise, bits blew me away. Trouble is you may have to go to a lot of ones which don’t really work for you in order to get a result. The same is true for lots of things. Oddly Wozzeck which I saw live years ago (discordant nonsense ... from up-thread) was really strange - absolutely horrendous to even try to listen to it on the radio or CD, but live it was just a fantastic experience - hard to explain why. It wasn’t just wondering if the main character was going to drown with his head in a fish tank - spoiler : he didn’t.
No, I'm way too stingy to do that. I've watched some opera on TV, but just got bored.
Our tastes change as we age.
In my teens I was only interested in British pop music - the stuff of the Top 10. Later, I discovered the Blues, Rhythm & Blues, The Kinks, The Who and so-called Progressive Pop. Through a seminal sampler LP called 'The Rock Machine Turns You On', I heard Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan and some 'Americana': The Doors; The Byrds; The Great Society etc.
Later at University I became interested in groups who were influenced by the Classical composers: Soft Machine and The Nice, and I started to dabble with Jazz: Charles Mingus; John Handy; John Coltrane, as well as folk music.
Originally I loathed Soul, Motown and much of the Atlantic label, as well as 'Rock Steady'. Then some twenty years ago I had a complete change and now love it all, as well as reggae'.
A love of so-called World music came when I started to travel seriously.
When asked what sort of music I liked I would usually reply "Everything, except Country & Western and Big Band Jazz". Sadly I would have to add Rap, Hip Hop and current R&B to the list.
Next time you're in the Brabster I'll play you some Snoop Dogg, daddy-o, and you'll be hooked!:eyebrows:
Marco.
walpurgis
30-11-2019, 23:24
When asked what sort of music I liked I would usually reply "Everything, except Country & Western and Big Band Jazz". Sadly I would have to add Rap, Hip Hop and current R&B to the list.
I can echo that. Otherwise I have time for some of everything else.
RobbieGong
30-11-2019, 23:33
Next time you're in the Brabster I'll play you some Snoop Dogg, daddy-o, and you'll be hooked!:eyebrows:
Marco.
Cant deny although I dont have a large rap collection and often not too fussed about the lyrical content, there are one or two that have a groove that is as infection as heck, Here's case in point from 2006, phat ole b line that would pump like crazy on da Brabster system
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLf6a0t2BC4
Pigmy Pony
01-12-2019, 08:30
I do have an amount of early hip hop recordings, Public Enemy, Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, but I don't play them very often. I sometimes like rappers' contributions on music of other genres, Like Q-Tip (never get bored with his voice)appearing on a couple of Chemical Brothers tunes, and Snoop with Gorillaz (Plastic Beach). "Gangsta Rap" generally has me running for the hills.
Perhaps some of these hip hop/R'n'B artists would be more palatable if they moved to a different genre, where their talent could be better appreciated, without all that "Look at me, I've got all this money and all these cars and I'm totally badass" crap. An example would be Mary J. Blige, one of my favourite female vocalists, who made U2's "One" worth listening to, while I can't be doing with her singing on her 'home turf'. Exception being her Jools Holland performance of "No Drama", which for me was just brilliant.
Cant deny although I dont have a large rap collection and often not too fussed about the lyrical content, there are one or two that have a groove that is as infection as heck, Here's case in point from 2006, phat ole b line that would pump like crazy on da Brabster system
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLf6a0t2BC4
Coolio, dude... One of my favourite tracks at the moment for its cool groove, and just INSANE bass is this from Drake:
https://youtu.be/XNpGNykVZ6U
Honestly, crank that track right up - it's a pure low-frequency riot... In the car, I can get the glass on back window flexing like an accordion, just above the sub, and almost feel ill with the bass!!!
BOOYAKASHA!!
:gig:
:lol::lol:
Marco.
dave2010
01-12-2019, 09:21
In terms of time for listening to all the good music that's out there, well when you're retired you'll have all the time in the world, so why not use some of it to discover some new music you might really like?
Nice idea, but probably wrong for so many people. I'm retired, and I know many others too. They're not all like me/us. Many have grandchildren who take up a lot of their time, for many reasons. Some still have aged relatives to look after. Some are ill, or have partners who are not so well, and spend their time going to doctors and medical appointments. Then there are funerals to go to - which some people do a lot. Very oddly, I discovered a few years ago that there seem to be some "professional" funeral attendees in some areas.
Then there are the ones who have time, but then fill it up with going on holiday every few weeks. :)
There are, I'm sure, many reasons why retired people just don't have enough time. As with trying to get a work life balance if one is working, there will continue to be a balancing act between different activities even for retired people. Listening to music may still have to be scheduled into the overall time plan, unless of course one really has nothing much else to do - ever. I think for many people that's unlikely.
Dis dude's DA MAN of da moment, tho....
https://youtu.be/5ju4JoN3ZKc
And EXACTLY what Piggurs hates!:D
Marco.
Nice idea, but probably wrong for so many people. I'm retired, and I know many others too. They're not all like me/us. Many have grandchildren who take up a lot of their time, for many reasons. Some still have aged relatives to look after. Some are ill, or have partners who are not so well, and spend their time going to doctors and medical appointments. Then there are funerals to go to - which some people do a lot. Very oddly, I discovered a few years ago that there seem to be some "professional" funeral attendees in some areas.
Then there are the ones who have time, but then fill it up with going on holiday every few weeks. :)
There are, I'm sure, many reasons why retired people just don't have enough time. As with trying to get a work life balance if one is working, there will continue to be a balancing act between different activities even for retired people. Listening to music may still have to be scheduled into the overall time plan, unless of course one really has nothing much else to do - ever. I think for many people that's unlikely.
Absolutely Dave, but none of that applies to Macca, whom my comments were aimed at. When he retires, he'll have fuck all to do all but sleep, eat and watch porn > REPEAT > sleep, eat and watch porn > REPEAT > Sleep...:lol:;)
Marco.
walpurgis
01-12-2019, 09:28
Yeah. Since I retired, I wonder where I found the time for a job. There's always something I have to be involved in.
Yeah. Since I retired, I wonder where I found the time for a job. There's always something I have to be involved in.
i do f*** all:D
Beobloke
01-12-2019, 09:41
I sometimes like rappers' contributions on music of other genres,
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Whereas I tend to agree with a comment I read on another forum years ago - “music is like sweets - much better when you remove the (w)rappers”
:)
Perhaps some of these hip hop/R'n'B artists would be more palatable if they moved to a different genre, where their talent could be better appreciated, without all that "Look at me, I've got all this money and all these cars and I'm totally badass" crap.
It's interesting that Marco enjoys rap music, given how much he dislikes ostentatious displays of/boasting about material possessions, and criminal/anti-social behaviour.
I have exactly two tracks in this genre, both on compilation CDs. One is 'Regulate' by Kenny G, the other is 'What What' by Public Enemy.
Our tastes change as we age.
Actually, the only music I've grown out of is prog, not that I was ever a huge fan of the genre.
Pigmy Pony
01-12-2019, 10:14
https://youtu.be/XNpGNykVZ6U
BOOYAKASHA!!
I see he's wrapped up warm, like his mum told him to :)
It's interesting that Marco enjoys rap music, given how much he dislikes ostentatious displays of/boasting about material possessions, and criminal/anti-social behaviour.
Lol... It's all about the BASS, bro, da BASS...Bout that bass, no treble...'
https://youtu.be/7PCkvCPvDXk
;)
Seriously, I couldn't give a fuck about the lyrics, indeed like Rob, find much of them distasteful [especially how they often demean women], *but* some of those tracks have KILLER basslines - and DAT is what turns me on! Therefore, I'm quite selective about what rap/hip-hop I listen to. It MUST deliver the goods, bass-wise.
However, lyrically, I enjoy and relate to some of the political rants rappers make against 'the system', which given my proclivities in that area, you will understand - indeed many of these dudes have their fingers of the pulse, as it were, in terms of that kind of stuff, and aren't blinded by all the bullshit that's going on in today's world, like many 'normal folk'...;)
Marco.
Clive197
01-12-2019, 11:04
Sorry, didn’t match my thumbs up to the correct post. Please delete.
Beobloke
01-12-2019, 11:05
It's interesting that Marco enjoys rap music, given how much he dislikes ostentatious displays of/boasting about material possessions, and criminal/anti-social behaviour.
I have exactly two tracks in this genre, both on compilation CDs. One is 'Regulate' by Kenny G, the other is 'What What' by Public Enemy.
Er.... I think you’ll find that’s Warren G, not Kenny G!!
Lol - yes I noticed that, but didn't want to embarrass him;)
Marco.
Sorry, didn’t match my thumbs up to the correct post. Please delete.
Which post (number) did you intend to 'thumbsup', Clive? I'll sort it for you:)
Marco.
Actually, for more subtle, 'serious' rap, I'm big into Cypress Hill. Their current album, Elephants on Acid' is a masterpiece:
https://youtu.be/ChE-oN-u5BY
Marco.
Lol... It's all about the BASS, bro, da BASS...Bout that bass, no treble...'
https://youtu.be/7PCkvCPvDXk
;)
Seriously, I couldn't give a fuck about the lyrics, indeed like Rob, find much of them distasteful [especially how they often demean women], *but* some of those tracks have KILLER basslines - and DAT is what turns me on! Therefore, I'm quite selective about what rap/hip-hop I listen to. It MUST deliver the goods, bass-wise.
However, lyrically, I enjoy and relate to some of the political rants rappers make against 'the system', which given my proclivities in that area, you will understand - indeed many of these dudes have their fingers of the pulse, as it were, in terms of that kind of stuff, and aren't blinded by all the bullshit that's going on, like many 'normal folk'...;)
Marco.
My not only indifference to most rap, but actual dislike of it raises questions in my mind about my intelligence/ability.
As a moral person, my concerns follow from that, and my stance has always been to identify and empathise with the underdog. The result of this position is that I like blues, country and some soul, much of which states the plaintiff position verbally, and if written well, uses chords and melody congruously and expressively consistent with that.
I cannot think that profoundly loud bass lines are anything other than an aggressive, lowest common denominator, rather like war drums, and although I do not doubt that there are some genuine gripes being angrily talked about, most of the words are unintelligible to me. Subtle it aint.
It is tendentiously partial, and seemingly addresses only the gripes of the individual re his id needs and personal feelings of injustice, and this tends to further perpetrate the polarised preoccupation which our society has with self interest, rather than expressions about injustice which we all may share, empathise with and form a consensus about.
never heard a rap track i can stand personally.. to me its guff, and not music, but each to their own:)
Lol... It's all about the BASS, bro, da BASS...Bout that bass, no treble...'
https://youtu.be/7PCkvCPvDXk
;)
Seriously, I couldn't give a fuck about the lyrics, indeed like Rob, find much of them distasteful [especially how they often demean women], *but* some of those tracks have KILLER basslines - and DAT is what turns me on! Therefore, I'm quite selective about what rap/hip-hop I listen to. It MUST deliver the goods, bass-wise.
However, lyrically, I enjoy and relate to some of the political rants rappers make against 'the system', which given my proclivities in that area, you will understand - indeed many of these dudes have their fingers of the pulse, as it were, in terms of that kind of stuff, and aren't blinded by all the bullshit that's going on, like many 'normal folk'...;)
Marco.
My not only indifference to most rap, but actual dislike of it raises questions in my mind about my intelligence/ ability.
As a moral person, my concerns follow from that, and my stance has always been to identify and empathise with the underdog. The result of this position is that I like blues, country and some soul, much of which states the plaintiff position verbally, and if written well, uses chords and melody congruously and expressively consistent with that.
I cannot think that profoundly loud bass lines are anything other than an aggressive, lowest common denominator, rather like war drums, and although I do not doubt that there are some genuine gripes being angrily talked about, most of the words are unintelligible to me. Subtle it aint.
It is tendentiously partial, and seemingly addresses only the gripes of the individual re his id needs and personal feelings of injustice, and this tends to further perpetrate the polarised preoccupation which our society has with self interest, rather than expressions about injustice which we all may share, empathise with and form a consensus about.
never heard a rap track i can stand personally.. to me its guff, and not music, but each to their own:)
:lolsign:
Guff! Yer past it now, auld yin...
;)
Marco.
My not only indifference to most rap, but actual dislike of it raises questions in my mind about my intelligence/ ability.
As a moral person, my concerns follow from that, and my stance has always been to identify and empathise with the underdog. The result of this position is that I like blues, country and some soul, much of which states the plaintiff position verbally, and if written well, uses chords and melody congruously and expressively consistent with that.
I cannot think that profoundly loud bass lines are anything other than an aggressive, lowest common denominator, rather like war drums, and although I do not doubt that there are some genuine gripes being angrily talked about, most of the words are unintelligible to me. Subtle it aint.
It is tendentiously partial, and seemingly addresses only the gripes of the individual re his id needs and personal feelings of injustice, and this tends to further perpetrate the polarised preoccupation which our society has with self interest, rather than expressions about injustice which we all may share, empathise with and form a consensus about.
Interesting insight as usual, Dennis, but on this occasion you're overthinking it. It's just a cool vibe to have going on, when you're driving along in a 'bad-ass' car...
However, based on what I know of you, I couldn't imaging you listening to rap music, let alone driving a bad-ass car;)
Marco.
Lol - yes I noticed that, but didn't want to embarrass him;)
Marco.
That'll be the day!
The only possible failure of 'overthinking', is to waste energy and time producing superfluous and hence unnecessary truths, and so it may be energetically unfavourable. How can we have too much truth? Surely it will all be useful as we develop and progress in sophistication, at least at some time in the future.
Bad-ass car? What is a bad-ass car? I do like naughty speed, at least on motorcycles, before the ubiquity of cameras which prevent us using what they can do.
Try this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJALQcCHuF0
The only possible failure of 'overthinking', is to waste energy and time producing superfluous and hence unnecessary truths, and so it may be energetically unfavourable. How can we have too much truth? Surely it will all be useful as we develop and progress in sophistication, at least at some time in the future.
I guess it's like when Freud said 'Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar', or when someone tries to 'explain' a joke and ruins it in the process. Some things, such as certain types of humour, don't require conscious thought at all; you either 'get' them, or you don't.
Lol... It's all about the BASS, bro, da BASS...Bout that bass, no treble...'
https://youtu.be/7PCkvCPvDXk
;)
Seriously, I couldn't give a fuck about the lyrics, indeed like Rob, find much of them distasteful [especially how they often demean women], *but* some of those tracks have KILLER basslines - and DAT is what turns me on! Therefore, I'm quite selective about what rap/hip-hop I listen to. It MUST deliver the goods, bass-wise.
However, lyrically, I enjoy and relate to some of the political rants rappers make against 'the system', which given my proclivities in that area, you will understand - indeed many of these dudes have their fingers of the pulse, as it were, in terms of that kind of stuff, and aren't blinded by all the bullshit that's going on in today's world, like many 'normal folk'...;)
Marco.
So the lyrics don't matter, unless they do. Hmm.
That'll be the day!
Lol - so you admit your mistake then? I guess a little confusion is to be expected at your age!:D
Marco.
So the lyrics don't matter, unless they do. Hmm.
They matter when I can relate to them and the theme is of interest to me. Not a difficult concept to grasp, I shouldn't have thought;)
Marco.
The only possible failure of 'overthinking', is to waste energy and time producing superfluous and hence unnecessary truths, and so it may be energetically unfavourable. How can we have too much truth? Surely it will all be useful as we develop and progress in sophistication, at least at some time in the future.
Bad-ass car? What is a bad-ass car? I do like naughty speed, at least on motorcycles, before the ubiquity of cameras which prevent us using what they can do.
Try this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJALQcCHuF0
Great track! Bad-ass car? Use your imagination... ;)
Marco.
hornucopia
01-12-2019, 15:42
Steve Miller! Thanks; I'd forgotten his early (atmospheric) stuff.
As to bad-ass cars. superflous in our crowded island? cruise in a nice old Citroen DS or CX! Or even A Lexus LS400?
As to bad-ass cars. superflous in our crowded island?
Not if you live in North or West Wales... Or in Scotland, out with of the areas surrounding Glasgow and Edinburgh... Or In many parts of Ireland. And in terms of England, perhaps in some parts of Suffolk or East Anglia. You need to be well away from the 'rat race' or where it's popular to live;)
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
01-12-2019, 17:21
Er.... I think you’ll find that’s Warren G, not Kenny G!!
Nah, Kenny G did that "F**k da scented candles bro, innit" 12 incher, unless I'm mistaken
Pigmy Pony
01-12-2019, 17:25
Lol... It's all about the BASS, bro, da BASS...Bout that bass, no treble...'
Seriously, I couldn't give a fuck about the lyrics, indeed like Rob, find much of them distasteful [especially how they often demean women], *but* some of those tracks have KILLER basslines - and DAT is what turns me on! Therefore, I'm quite selective about what rap/hip-hop I listen to. It MUST deliver the goods, bass-wise.
Is this for the same reason some women like to sit on washing machines?
I guess it's like when Freud said 'Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar', or when someone tries to 'explain' a joke and ruins it in the process. Some things, such as certain types of humour, don't require conscious thought at all; you either 'get' them, or you don't.
Not to me, and I find this obscure and elusive.
Pigmy Pony
01-12-2019, 17:31
:lolsign:
Guff! Yer past it now, auld yin...
;)
Marco.
Every time I try to get past it, the bloody sod speeds up :steam:
Not to me, and I find this obscure and elusive.
Maybe you don't have a sense of humour? Not that's there's anything wrong with that! .
I don't really understand the concept of bad-ass cars.
Cars with guns or drugs in? Cars used to run people over? Street mean looking with 'boy-racerish' tendencies?
It seems that what we were doing in the 60s and 70s, tuning things to extreme, has been adopted by the manufacturers since about '70 and they have also bee made much more fuel efficient. Resultantly the margin left for the amateur to enhance a performance is really reduced.
I well remember a fellow apprentice's mini 850, tuned to stage four+, with twin choke Weber downdraught and %I Cinturatos.
With four of us inside it we did speedo needle round to the 'E' of the fuel gauge, must have been around 110 mph. Greta times.
Actually I am noted for a deep one, but rather dry and satirical.
Beobloke
01-12-2019, 17:42
The thing that puzzles me about rappers is that they’re always banging on about turning up the bass and treble. What do they have against midrange?
And Marco’s car is definitely ‘bad-ass’. Mainly on account of the diesel fumes emanating from its bottom...
;) :) :)
:D:D
Oi - behave!:spank:
Marco.
Actually I am noted for a deep one, but rather dry and satirical.
I'm making no comment on that!:eek:
Marco.
Actually I am noted for a deep one, but rather dry and satirical.
Ah, just like me then.
I don't really understand the concept of bad-ass cars.
Cars with guns or drugs in? Cars used to run people over? Street mean looking with 'boy-racerish' tendencies?
It seems that what we were doing in the 60s and 70s, tuning things to extreme, has been adopted by the manufacturers since about '70 and they have also bee made much more fuel efficient. Resultantly the margin left for the amateur to enhance a performance is really reduced.
I well remember a fellow apprentice's mini 850, tuned to stage four+, with twin choke Weber downdraught and %I Cinturatos.
With four of us inside it we did speedo needle round to the 'E' of the fuel gauge, must have been around 110 mph. Greta times.
Well, this is my 'bad-ass' car:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/LG2A6H.jpg
Mapped (with specialist software, used by NASCAR) to 320bhp, with 510Nm of torque (as measured on dyno) - after remap, full turbo refurb and DPF/EGR delete. Fitted with lowered sports suspension, uprated brakes and 19" alloys with low-profile tyres, plus quad sports exhaust. Oh, and it also has this in the boot, to give me some KICKASS bass with all that 'naughty' rap music [12" 'competition' sub, driven by 650w of monoblock power amp]:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/EcHW3n.jpg
Adam doesn't approve!:D
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
01-12-2019, 18:23
What's going on with the bonnet? I'm trying to make sense of what I'm seeing...Agree it does look like a fun car to be in, but would draw the wrong kind of attention round here. Your neighbours must love you, although I hear the pub next door has had its juke box taken out - people just go into the beer garden for a boogie :D
What's going on with the bonnet? I'm trying to make sense of what I'm seeing...Agree it does look like a fun car to be in, but would draw the wrong kind of attention round here. Your neighbours must love you, although I hear the pub next door has had its juke box taken out - people just go into the beer garden for a boogie :D
Lol... The pic's taken from a company ad for Brabus-modified Mercedes cars, which shows a transparent image of what lurks 'under the hood'. That specific car isn't mine, and neither is the Reg plate!;)
But my car looks near-identical.
In terms of the sound system, you can't hear much from the outside (providing all the windows and doors are closed in the car), even with it playing at full-pelt [which your ears can only stand for a few mins, such are the crazy SPLs generated inside the cabin], because the car has been so well-damped throughout. That was a BIG part of the cost of the install, and why it sounds so good!
Therefore, no neighbours (even if we had some in the immediate vicinity, as remember our property is detached) are ever disturbed. Now, if you were to open the doors and windows (and boot), while music was playing at those levels, well let's just say it would be party time on the pub's lawn!:D:D
Marco.
AJSki2fly
01-12-2019, 21:23
Lol... The pic's taken from a company ad for Brabus-modified Mercedes cars, which shows a transparent image of what lurks 'under the hood'. That specific car isn't mine, and neither is the Reg plate!;)
But my car looks near-identical.
In terms of the sound system, you can't hear much from the outside (providing all the windows and doors are closed in the car), even with it playing at full-pelt [which your ears can only stand for a few mins, such are the crazy SPLs generated inside the cabin], because the car has been so well-damped throughout. That was a BIG part of the cost of the install, and why it sounds so good!
Therefore, no neighbours (even if we had some in the immediate vicinity, as remember our property is detached) are ever disturbed. Now, if you were to open the doors and windows (and boot), while music was playing at those levels, well let's just say it would be party time on the pub's lawn!:D:D
Marco.
Sounds like a mobile microwave to me. [emoji33]
Microwave? :scratch:
Sorry, you've lost me.....
Marco.
AJSki2fly
01-12-2019, 21:26
High intensity sound wave reverberating around inside a tin can[emoji2]
Lol - I see... Well, whatever it is, it sounds bloody awesome!:D
As I said, one of the most important things to get right when putting a quality sound system into a car is dampening resonance, and ensuring good isolation, especially around where the speakers are. The total install, excluding equipment and cables, cost £3k, so that'll give you an idea of how much attention to detail was paid in terms of negating the "tin can" effect;)
You can tap or knock pretty much anywhere on the body of the car (especially the boot where the sub is), and all you'll hear is a dull thud! As the old saying goes: if a job's worth doing, it's worth doing right.
Marco.
I like the ‘Gloo’ record.
I've always known you had taste;)
They remind me a bit of The Ramones.
Marco.
Is this for the same reason some women like to sit on washing machines?
Well, the female hairdresser, who calls at the house, seemed to get a little 'excited' with the vibrations when I played her some Ice Cube, while she was sat on the back seat, near the sub... "Ooh, I can feel it going right through me bum" (her words).
Of course, I said nothing...;)
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
01-12-2019, 22:44
Well, the female hairdresser, who calls at the house, seemed to get a little 'excited' with the vibrations when I played her some Ice Cube, while she was sat on the back seat, near the sub... "Ooh, I can feel it going right through me bum" (her words).
Of course, I said nothing...;)
Marco.
No, you just turned up the wick then left her to enjoy a bit of 'me time' :eyebrows:
How on earth did you get onto the subject of your car stereo with your hairdresser? Is this the modern version of coming up to see your etchings? Had you run out of things to talk about? Were you not going anywhere nice for your holidays? Were you not requiring 'something for the weekend'?
Hahaha... No, there was no damp patch on the seat afterwards [deduced after careful examination]:D;)
I've known her for more than 20 years, as has Del! She's a good laugh and loves music and nice cars, plus she's a bit of a bass head. Thus, after having had the new system installed in the car, and armed with said info, I asked if she'd like to hear it - and of course she did!
She also likes fast acceleration (given her a lift in the car sometimes), and when I 'blip' the Brabster [kick down on the accelerator pedal], and she gets throw back in the seat by the 'shove' of all that torque, she giggles like a hyena!!:lol:
Yes, simple minds are amused by simple things.
Marco.
I guess it's like when Freud said 'Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar', or when someone tries to 'explain' a joke and ruins it in the process. Some things, such as certain types of humour, don't require conscious thought at all; you either 'get' them, or you don't.
+1 Good post.
Pigmy Pony
03-12-2019, 07:29
Hahaha... No, there was no damp patch on the seat afterwards [deduced after careful examination]:D;)
I've known her for more than 20 years, as has Del! She's a good laugh and loves music and nice cars, plus she's a bit of a bass head. Thus, after having had the new system installed in the car, and armed with said info, I asked if she'd like to hear it - and of course she did!
She also likes fast acceleration (given her a lift in the car sometimes), and when I 'blip' the Brabster [kick down on the accelerator pedal], and she gets throw back in the seat by the 'shove' of all that torque, she giggles like a hyena!!:lol:
Yes, simple minds are amused by simple things.
Marco.
Clearly the 'Tena' pants you gave her to try out are working a treat then. A music loving bass-head hairdresser? She sounds like a keeper, and judging by that picture you posted of yourself in that Italian prison, she clearly has a sense of humour :ner: Only kidding mate, more hair than I've got
:lol::D
When your hair's receding, it's important to keep it super-short, especially at the sides and back, as there's nothing worse than the 'Friar Tuck' look!! Or the unruly mop that Chris has from "Eggheads':
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/PpsXCu.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/hRi1es.jpg
:eek::doh:
That's just *so wrong*, on all levels.... If he lopped all that 'grey tuft' off, he'd look at least ten years younger!! And that dude on the right, well... One word: FANNY...!! :wanker:
Anyway, Elaine calls every two weeks to cut my hair, as what's left grows very quickly. She lives locally, so it's no bother to her, and she's also friends with Del.
In any case, I only associate with folk who have something going for them and don't bore me, so even my hairdresser has to be 'special'...:D;)
Marco.
:lol::D
When your hair's receding, it's important to keep it super-short, especially at the sides and back, as there's nothing worse than the 'Friar Tuck' look!! Or the unruly mop that Chris has from "Eggheads':
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/PpsXCu.jpg
:eek::doh:
That's just *so wrong*, on all levels.... If he lopped all that 'grey tuft' off, he'd look at least ten years younger!!
Anyway, Elaine calls every two weeks to cut my hair, as what's left grows very quickly. She lives locally, so it's no bother to her, and she's also friends with Del.
In any case, I only associate with folk who have something going for them and don't bore me, so even my hairdresser needs to be 'special'...:D;)
Marco.
Yup, thats why I cut my own:eyebrows:
Aye, but I like the job done properly!:lol:;)
And she also cuts Del's hair, which is just a tad longer than mine, lol (down to her waist)...
But yes, with balding folks like Chris, it's as if they're determined to hold onto every last hair on their head, and so resolutely refuse to cut it, no matter how unruly it gets and how silly they look! And there are TONS of these daftees wandering around. You wonder if they own a mirror:doh:
Probably in denial...
Marco.
I cannot criticise anyone for genetically determined traits, and although to me it looks bizarre, have to admire those who refuse to be intimidated by others' opinions.
We are all going to suffer not only loss of pristine youth and handsomeness, to some extent, but also tend to look ridiculous for numerous reasons.
One of the contrasts which I find laughable, is old men of my age, obviously physically compromised, but with immaculate new gym kit on, especially expensive trainers.
i was always told trainers were bad for your feet, so rarely wore them. i did have a couple of pairs of american baseball shoes, that were similar i guess but had flat soles. they were quite rare at time and ok, but i preferred shoes like dm's or a nice pair of brown/black semi formals. Only track suit i had was when I played badminton
walpurgis
03-12-2019, 17:15
Yes, some folk have difficulty with 'self image' and just don't understand how others see them.
https://i.imgur.com/6wULYAs.jpg?1 https://i.imgur.com/R8n9IoD.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/7sSt9bK.jpg?1 https://i.imgur.com/CGeawxr.png?1
Geoff,how the hell did you get access to my school photos album?
You went to Bash Street School then?
walpurgis
03-12-2019, 19:17
:lolsign:
Could be seen as Da-Da ism.
Pigmy Pony
04-12-2019, 06:59
i was always told trainers were bad for your feet, so rarely wore them. i did have a couple of pairs of american baseball shoes, that were similar i guess but had flat soles. they were quite rare at time and ok, but i preferred shoes like dm's or a nice pair of brown/black semi formals. Only track suit i had was when I played badminton
Your baseball shoes were probably Converse 'Chuck Taylor' All Stars. I had a couple of pairs in the late seventies. Not especially cheap, about £30 a pair, which was probably £100+ in today's money. Still quite popular today, but a bit more of a budget brand, and can be had for about £40.
Agree about trainers, don't own any, but have had 'skate' shoes which also have flat soles (usually Vans) for the last 30 years. Always have a couple of pairs on the go
Agree about trainers, don't own any, but have had 'skate' shoes which also have flat soles (usually Vans) for the last 30 years. Always have a couple of pairs on the go
You have four feet?
Personally, I wear whatever I want and couldn't give a toss what anyone else thinks about it. (Note to self: must book in my second haircut of the year).
That's fine, but surely you'd have to concede that the hairstyles illustrated all look ridiculous? If you've got a large bald patch in the middle of your head, then the last thing you want to do is accentuate it, by allowing the hair around about it to grow long?:doh:
That would be akin to a big bald patch being in the centre of your lawn, and just ignoring it, allowing the grass to grow long all around it, which would be just as unsightly.
*You* might not care how you look, but your wife or partner might think that you look like a right tit, but are too kind to say, so consider them!:D;)
Marco.
All this is a perfect example of the notorious AoS thread drift! :lol:
That's fine, but surely you'd have to concede that the hairstyles illustrated all look ridiculous? If you've got a large bald patch in the middle of your head, then the last thing you want to do is accentuate it, by allowing the hair around about it to grow long?:doh:
[...]
*You* might not care how you look, but your wife or partner might think that you look like a right tit, but are too kind to say, so consider them!:D;)
Marco.
Actually I have a full head of hair, and my wife would be the first to tell me if I looked a right tit! When I start to look like Michael Heseltine, I know it's time for a trim.
I know, I've seen the pic you posted... And I'm glad you've got an honest wife. Mine would do the same, and frequently does!:D
I just don't know how some folk can go around looking so ridiculous, with laugh-out-loud hairstyles, especially when they're on TV! I'd rather be completely bald than look like a tool. Mind you, I've often found that 'boffins' display little concern for their personal appearance.
Science teachers at schools were notoriously always the worst dressers!
Marco.
The 'long-haired genius' look probably started with Einstein. Genius and eccentricity often go hand-in-hand; so that some are so preoccupied with their mental activities they pay no regard to their appearance, or have no real interest in what they eat of drink. Scientists tend to be the worse in that regard, but some philosophers can be just as bad.
....and often tend to be single - that's the other crucial factor!
IME, many single men 'of a certain age', regardless of being 'boffins' or not, care little about their appearance, almost as if they've lost their self-esteem/self-respect. You always dressed well and took care of your appearance even when you were single, but I bet you'd agree that Happy has still been influential now in how you look;)
In terms of long hair, some guys can carry it off really well (in a ponytail) *IF*, and it's a BIG IF, they have thick, clean, shiny hair, and are under the age of 40. If those crucial boxes aren't ticked, however, then they can end up looking as stupid as the 'Friar Tuck' brigade!
Marco.
The 'long-haired genius' look probably started with Einstein. Genius and eccentricity often go hand-in-hand; so that some are so preoccupied with their mental activities they pay no regard to their appearance, or have no real interest in what they eat of drink. Scientists tend to be the worse in that regard, but some philosophers can be just as bad.
I think it pre-dated Einstein by several decades. 'Long-haired' musicians, for example Liszt, and artists, were a staple joke of Punch cartoons in the 1880s/1890s. See, for example:
http://www.victorianweb.org/art/illustration/dumaurier/88.html
https://punch.photoshelter.com/image/I0000SioAnNExd1k
Academics often dress scruffily so that no-one can mistake them for administrators.
....and often tend to be single - that's the other crucial factor!
IME, many single men 'of a certain age', regardless of being 'boffins' or not, care little about their appearance, almost as if they've lost their self-esteem/self-respect.
Maybe they have enough self-esteem/self respect not to care what anyone thinks about their appearance?
The 'long-haired genius' look probably started with Einstein.
What about Isaac Newton?
walpurgis
04-12-2019, 13:09
What about Isaac Newton?
I think he's dead. :)
....and often tend to be single - that's the other crucial factor!
.
Einstein was married twice.
Einstein was married twice.
And Pablo Picasso never got called an asshole.
walpurgis
04-12-2019, 13:16
And Pablo Picasso never got called an asshole.
That's quite true actually. I remember he and I lunching with Dali in 1953 and he said as much. :)
Maybe they have enough self-esteem/self respect not to care what anyone thinks about their appearance?
Possibly, but I doubt that would apply to the folks I'm thinking of, and of course they may find it difficult attracting a partner, unless he/she is as slovenly as them!;)
Marco.
Einstein was married twice.
Sure, but I said "often tend to be", not 'always'.
Marco.
That's quite true actually. I remember he and I lunching with Dali in 1953 and he said as much. :)
i called him an asshole;)
walpurgis
04-12-2019, 13:37
:D
AJSki2fly
04-12-2019, 13:47
i called him an asshole;)
https://youtu.be/AXtBsikiY50:)
i called him an asshole;)
I thought it was a wee jobby?
Marco.
I thought it was a wee jobby?
Marco.
That was Gauguin... :D
Oh yeah, it was at *that* wife-swapping party, wasn't it? How could I forget:doh:
Marco.
Beobloke
04-12-2019, 15:23
In terms of long hair, some guys can carry it off really well (in a ponytail).
I always understood that the ‘pony tail’ took its name literally from the appendage of the same name on the animal.
The reason being that, if you lift either one up, there’s an arsehole underneath...
the greeks wore them:eyebrows:
AJSki2fly
04-12-2019, 15:44
the greeks wore them:eyebrows:
So do Ponies:lol:
hornucopia
04-12-2019, 15:49
I had to (pony tail) when doing food prep in my cafe.
I wonder if it affected my listening.... like room dampeners etc.?(When not tied back)
....and often tend to be single - that's the other crucial factor!
IME, many single men 'of a certain age', regardless of being 'boffins' or not, care little about their appearance, almost as if they've lost their self-esteem/self-respect. You always dressed well and took care of your appearance even when you were single, but I bet you'd agree that Happy has still been influential now in how you look;)
In terms of long hair, some guys can carry it off really well (in a ponytail) *IF*, and it's a BIG IF, they have thick, clean, shiny hair, and are under the age of 40. If those crucial boxes aren't ticked, however, then they can end up looking as stupid as the 'Friar Tuck' brigade!
Marco.
I don't think it is fair to criticise the personal aesthetic choices of others, and not all seemingly poor presentations are a result of conscious choice, as alluded to re scientists. Surely it is wrong to value judge others' choices when they do not affect us in any way other than by infringing our personal aesthetic.
Dr Malcom Hawksford had a grey pony tail in '97 at the Ramada show, I thought he looked like a drug baron.
It is apparent to me that many people of my age and even younger seem to have lost self esteem and or self respect. I find it hard as a loner now, that I am older, and even more undesirable to the opposite sex, to not fall into the trap of resignation, and resultant relinquishing of control to the inevitable.
I have cut my own hair since '70, and remember well being in pubs in the 70s and having very negative comments about it, one girl saying that she would not be seem dead in it.
(It looked like David Bowie's at the time of 'Z' on the face, and I even said to my girlfriend in '75 that I thought Bowie had copied it.)
It could be argued that a concern with appearance is superficial, and that people are liked for their underlying qualities. However I realise just how superficial many people are now that I'm even less interesting to the opposite sex; they don't seem to care about all the work one may have done developing oneself in many areas to be as good a person as possible. But they do express interest in inheriting my house.
Pigmy Pony
04-12-2019, 18:24
I'd rather be completely bald than look like a tool.
Marco.
With the exception of sweeping brushes, most tools are completely bald :)
Pigmy Pony
04-12-2019, 18:28
Maybe they have enough self-esteem/self respect not to care what anyone thinks about their appearance?
Good point, I think I'll use that one :)
Bring liked by either sex is not really about dress/grooming , although it can help a lot. No, it's about personable charisma, charm and enough confidence not to look desparate
Simple
Pigmy Pony
04-12-2019, 18:37
I don't think it is fair to criticise the personal aesthetic choices of others, and not all seemingly poor presentations are a result of conscious choice, as alluded to re scientists. Surely it is wrong to value judge others' choices when they do not affect us in any way other than by infringing our personal aesthetic.
Dr Malcom Hawksford had a grey pony tail in '97 at the Ramada show, I thought he looked like a drug baron.
It is apparent to me that many people of my age and even younger seem to have lost self esteem and or self respect. I find it hard as a loner now, that I am older, and even more undesirable to the opposite sex, to not fall into the trap of resignation, and resultant relinquishing of control to the inevitable.
I have cut my own hair since '70, and remember well being in pubs in the 70s and having very negative comments about it, one girl saying that she would not be seem dead in it.
(It looked like David Bowie's at the time of 'Z' on the face, and I even said to my girlfriend in '75 that I thought Bowie had copied it.)
It could be argued that a concern with appearance is superficial, and that people are liked for their underlying qualities. However I realise just how superficial many people are now that I'm even less interesting to the opposite sex; they don't seem to care about all the work one may have done developing oneself in many areas to be as good a person as possible. But they do express interest in inheriting my house.
I wonder what Michael Fremer had to say on the subject?
walpurgis
04-12-2019, 18:56
Bring liked by either sex is not really about dress/grooming , although it can help a lot. No, it's about personable charisma, charm and enough confidence not to look desparate
Simple
I just don't seem to get it right with women. Only the other day, I went into the mobile phone shop and asked the nice young lady to show me her Nokias and promptly got thrown out! :eek:
Bring liked by either sex is not really about dress/grooming , although it can help a lot. No, it's about personable charisma, charm and enough confidence not to look desparate
Simple
Yesh shexy, and it also helps to have the occasional bath.
Marco.
I wonder what Michael Fremer had to say on the subject?
Did you not notice the self-portrait and mirrored ceiling in his listening room?
Marco.
Pigmy Pony
04-12-2019, 19:14
Bring liked by either sex is not really about dress/grooming , although it can help a lot. No, it's about personable charisma, charm and enough confidence not to look desparate
Simple
Well that's me screwed then. Will having a big record collection not help?
Pigmy Pony
04-12-2019, 19:17
I just don't seem to get it right with women. Only the other day, I went into the mobile phone shop and asked the nice young lady to show me her Nokias and promptly got thrown out! :eek:
It's not what you said - it was the gawping at her chest that did it :eyebrows:
I just don't seem to get it right with women. Only the other day, I went into the mobile phone shop and asked the nice young lady to show me her Nokias and promptly got thrown out! :eek:
:lol: That should be in the Jokes and Funnies section! Best thing I've heard alll day.
walpurgis
04-12-2019, 22:07
Same thing happened when I went in the baker's and asked the lady if she had crusty bloomers. :)
It could be argued that a concern with appearance is superficial, and that people are liked for their underlying qualities. However I realise just how superficial many people are now that I'm even less interesting to the opposite sex; they don't seem to care about all the work one may have done developing oneself in many areas to be as good a person as possible. But they do express interest in inheriting my house.
I find having a great sense of humour and a winning smile helps a lot. Most people like to talk about themselves, so being a good listener is another advantage. They're not really interested in how much work you've done on developing yourself. (I haven't done any, myself).
Same thing happened when I went in the baker's and asked the lady if she had crusty bloomers. :)
Or floury baps.
loheswaran
01-07-2020, 21:28
Fremer really is the jeremy clarkson of audio. In his defence I met him in 2006 (I think) at Heathrow. He was very affable and interested in what people had to say to him. He was accompanied with Ken Kessler who was equally enthusiastic and charming. It's easy to be snide and critical, but remember, this is his job - he has created his name and brand and he must live up to it. I said to his face that his review of the Whest phono stage was a nonsense when he did an about turn to re-approve his beloved Manley - he tried to explain himself although it was a tad wittering. My point to you guys is take the man with a pinch/handful of salt - use it as a pointer - learn what's on the market. Not many people really get to listen and test back to back the amount that reviewers do. You are all smart enough to take things with a pinch of salt. Fremer does get an awful lot of stick.
walpurgis
01-07-2020, 21:40
I generally enjoy reading what Fremer has to say. A good while since I did so though.
Floyddroid
02-07-2020, 10:24
I had a friend who loaned me a Krell CDP that he bought after reading Fremers article or video on it. I nearlt broke me back putting it in me rack. I listened to three or four discs on it and lifted my antique Arcam CD23FMJ back in much to my delight. Watched a few of Fremers productions and thought WTF are people hanging off this guys words for?
Hi Steve,
Far be it for me to recommend that anyone should 'hang off of' anyone else's words, but where Fremer's worth listening to, IMO, is when it comes to setting up and optimising the performance of turntables [getting them to 'sing'], which in many ways is somewhat of a black art.
In that area, his views are worth listening to, IMO, and in the book he's written on the subject, I'm therefore confident that most people would pick up some great (often free) tips!
Nothing amazes me more, when I attend shows or bake-offs (such as NEBO and others), or when I visit people's homes, how few folks *genuinely know* how to get the most from their T/T, and with it, their vinyl collection - no matter how long they've been in this game for.
Subsequently, I'm usually always able to make some sort of fairly significant improvement, to the delight of the owner! But I always say to myself 'Why didn't *they* know that?':hmm:
And I think it's a bit like that with Fremer. He's got a good ear for that type of thing, and most importantly isn't afraid to follow his gut instincts and fly in the face of so-called 'scientific facts', when it comes to audio, and go with what his EARS tell him, no matter what measurements say - a fundamental error, IMO, with a large percentage of audiophiles, who trust their text books (or test apparatus) more than their ears.
Therefore, despite what I may think of folk in general (and Fremer can be a bit of an arse), I'll always be more predisposed to listening to what someone who's confident in their own judgement and hearing acuity has to say on the subject of audio, and isn't afraid of being controversial. than someone else who shuns the validity of their instincts and senses, and needs guiding rigidly by the contents of text books and measurements - indeed more often than not, IME, the former tend to have the better sounding systems, and so ultimately give advice that is worthwhile listening to!:cool:
Marco.
Fremer really is the jeremy clarkson of audio. In his defence I met him in 2006 (I think) at Heathrow. He was very affable and interested in what people had to say to him. He was accompanied with Ken Kessler who was equally enthusiastic and charming. It's easy to be snide and critical, but remember, this is his job - he has created his name and brand and he must live up to it. I said to his face that his review of the Whest phono stage was a nonsense when he did an about turn to re-approve his beloved Manley - he tried to explain himself although it was a tad wittering. My point to you guys is take the man with a pinch/handful of salt - use it as a pointer - learn what's on the market. Not many people really get to listen and test back to back the amount that reviewers do. You are all smart enough to take things with a pinch of salt. Fremer does get an awful lot of stick.
Good post "loheswaran"; I completely concur:thumbsup:
However, what's your real first name? It's mandatory here for all users to put their real first names on their profiles, so please do so at your earliest convenience. Ta!:)
Marco.
chris@panteg
02-07-2020, 18:47
Watched the video again and he's always good fun and I love his mimicking and sly little jokes.
southall-1998_mk2
02-07-2020, 22:43
He's a slightly odd cantankerous bugger, that Fremer chap. To a degree I like him.
S.
Good post "loheswaran"; I completely concur:thumbsup:
However, what's your real first name? It's mandatory here for all users to put their real first names on their profiles, so please do so at your earliest convenience. Ta!:)
Marco.. Maybe that is his first name ? Interesting being called out by teacher every 5 mins in class though lol
Lol - hardly every 5 mins! But rules are rules....
if it is his first name, then it's an usual one, and if so, cool. However, if not, his real one will need to put on his profile. The reason for this is to promote the use of first names when members are communicating with each other, which is much friendlier, and what AoS is all about. We have a community of real people here, not a 'faceless' bulletin board:)
In that respect would you rather I called you 'tapid', Brian or Daftee?:D
Marco.
Lol - hardly every 5 mins! But rules are rules....
if it is his first name, then it's an usual one, and if so, cool. However, if not, his real one will need to put on his profile. The reason for this is to promote the use of first names when members are communicating with each other, which is much friendlier, and what AoS is all about:)
In that respect would you rather I called you 'tapid', Brian or Daftee?:D
Marco.. Daftee 2 is fine , we all know who Daftee 1 is :)
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