View Full Version : Mark Levinson Nº383
Pigmy Pony
12-05-2019, 21:45
He is quite a handsome chap Bev, having met him.
Don't be put off by Marco's shenanigans with the avatar, funny as they are.
Stop it, you guys are making me blush!
And I'm a bit uncomfortable about my looks being built up as it can only go one way from there - bit like going to see a film which has had excellent reviews, so you go to see it and come out thinking "what a steaming pile of cack that was". All about expectations. So I'd rather be described as looking like my head was set on fire then the flames put out with a cricket bat.
And some of Marco's avatars come pretty close :(
Spectral Morn
12-05-2019, 21:50
I don't think I've come across HDCD before - is it more an American thing? But then I rarely read CD covers/sleevenotes, as they're so very tiny and I'm so very tight and won't pay for an eye test. Not like in the good old vinyl days when you read every purchase from front to back.
It was a thing that a fair number of CDs were realeased with back in the day. So fair chance Bev will have a few
Bev, I suggest that in talking to the seller you establish that he is accepting responsibility under contract to correct the remote problem, and if that is confirmed then you posting it with a note confirming that to ML will save time and money
Also, when talking to the seller try not to reveal your enthusiasm for the machine.
Ninanina
12-05-2019, 22:21
Bev, I suggest that in talking to the seller you establish that he is accepting responsibility under contract to correct the remote problem, and if that is confirmed then you posting it with a note confirming that to ML will save time and money
Also, when talking to the seller try not to reveal your enthusiasm for the machine.
Thanks Dennis as I've already done that
Pigmy Pony
12-05-2019, 22:22
Bev, I suggest that in talking to the seller you establish that he is accepting responsibility under contract to correct the remote problem, and if that is confirmed then you posting it with a note confirming that to ML will save time and money
Also, when talking to the seller try not to reveal your enthusiasm for the machine.
Very sound advice, show 'em who's boss!
Ninanina
12-05-2019, 22:30
Absolutely Steve I think I've done that ok...
So what do you want me to post about then ? you can tell me... :eyebrows:
Pigmy Pony
13-05-2019, 06:04
Ooh that's a tricky one, it's usually only gay blokes that ask me that sort of thing...
Well, I decided to sleep on it, and after a night of rather disturbing dreams involving baked beans and a Kenwood whisk, I thought it safer to go with the most popular suggestion (ok it was just Alan Firebottle) that a pic of you modelling your NYDJ's while sat on your ML amp would be a good start. Or it could just be a milk crate if that makes it easier.
And with holidays in the sun fast approaching I'd welcome your views on Granny's bloomers vs thongs as appropriate beach wear this season as I'm a bit out of touch with current trends.
Ninanina
15-05-2019, 19:12
It's far to warm to be wearing jeans at the moment, NYDJ's or otherwise, skirts only at the moment...
Well I wouldn't wear 'bloomers' or 'thongs' on the beach or elsewhere... I don't like thongs at all for undies they are nasty things I reckon
Gosh ML to undies, you couldn't make it up could you? :lol::lol: only here on AoS maybe... ;)
Ninanina
15-05-2019, 20:00
I have only just noticed something.. I don't know if it's the 390 or the 383 doing it, or both maybe...but I suspect the 390, over the Naim, has bought this about...
I very rarely sit down and listen to my music as it's just 'on' while I'm doing other things but what I've just realised is that I can hear very clearly the words on the cd.. that's without actually concentrating on it ... the words are just sort of 'there' without trying to hear them..
There are cd's that I know very well but can't remember actually hearing the words properly.. so tracks are now making more sense to me than I can remember before...
Which is nice.....;)
Pigmy Pony
15-05-2019, 20:53
It's far to warm to be wearing jeans at the moment, NYDJ's or otherwise, skirts only at the moment...
Well I wouldn't wear 'bloomers' or 'thongs' on the beach or elsewhere... I don't like thongs at all for undies they are nasty things I reckon
Gosh ML to undies, you couldn't make it up could you? :lol::lol: only here on AoS maybe... ;)
ML to undies seems to me the natural order of things - Whatever you do with your day, that day will always end with just undies. :)
It sounds like your ML CD/amp combination could be a real winner, giving you an insight into the vocals. Providing it doesn't start to get on your wick after a bit :D
Firebottle
15-05-2019, 20:55
... the words are just sort of 'there' without trying to hear them..
.. so tracks are now making more sense to me than I can remember before...
I have recently experienced this (from vinyl) having bought a different SUT. It must be so much better matched to my Lyra cart, even my 'economy' OTP3 phono stage is sounding amazing.
Ninanina
15-05-2019, 21:07
Whatever you do with your day, that day will always end with just undies. :)
Or not if you don't wear any :eyebrows:
It sounds like your ML CD/amp combination could be a real winner, giving you an insight into the vocals. Providing it doesn't start to get on your wick after a bit :D
Well I'm really enjoying the combo at the moment... but if it starts to 'get on my wick' then I'll just sell it on.... ;)
Ninanina
15-05-2019, 21:16
I have recently experienced this (from vinyl) having bought a different SUT. It must be so much better matched to my Lyra cart, even my 'economy' OTP3 phono stage is sounding amazing.
Nice one Alan..
I know it's a bit of a cliché but the 390 doesn't sound very 'digital'... it's difficult to explain though... it's just sounding lovely at the moment....
I have gradually come to the conclusion that often the greater fidelity has for me increased intelligibility, and the result is that it gets on my nerves because the art itself does that, it being a more clear rendition of the humanity.
Often the 'amateur' nature of a performance also comes out, and this spoils personal illusions.
Ninanina
18-05-2019, 17:34
Didn't quite understand that one Dennis :confused:
Ninanina
18-05-2019, 22:48
The 390 is sounding nice, so far so good
I think it's about the best I've heard cd to sound but will still give it some weeks/months before deciding whether it stays put or not...
If I decide it stays then selling the 5XS & Dac will more than pay for it, maybe with a little over, which is nice ;). If it does stay then I'll have surplus shelves on the unit.. the SN2+HiCap+5XS+Dac will go down to just 383 & 390... now what am I going to put on the other shelves...?
Pigmy Pony
19-05-2019, 16:43
I have gradually come to the conclusion that often the greater fidelity has for me increased intelligibility, and the result is that it gets on my nerves because the art itself does that, it being a more clear rendition of the humanity.
Often the 'amateur' nature of a performance also comes out, and this spoils personal illusions.
Rather like comparing an oil painting of a scene with a high resolution photo of same. 'Warts and all' may not be so desirable, it may be preferable to have a picture of the music which although not perfect is nevertheless pleasing to behold, rather than having every last detail chucked in your face.
Pigmy Pony
19-05-2019, 16:54
The 390 is sounding nice, so far so good
I think it's about the best I've heard cd to sound but will still give it some weeks/months before deciding whether it stays put or not...
If I decide it stays then selling the 5XS & Dac will more than pay for it, maybe with a little over, which is nice ;). If it does stay then I'll have surplus shelves on the unit.. the SN2+HiCap+5XS+Dac will go down to just 383 & 390... now what am I going to put on the other shelves...?
Have you considered a solar-powered dancing hula girl? Thought not, but don't dismiss it out of hand. She would fit nicely on your shelf as she's only three inches tall, and when the sun comes out she really knows how to wriggle them hips. I got one on my holidays last year, and she has taken up permanent residence in my van. Just needs a bit of sunshine to make her really boogie.
Just say the word and I'll pick one up for you next month - I'm already bringing one back for a customer who took a shine to mine :) They do cost 2 quid though :eek:
Yes my post 264 was a little obscure, and yes the more I hear, sometimes the less the art appeals as stated.
But do we want illusion for comfort, given that what we are all doing actually is projecting our own feelings onto the art itself, which is of course much easier when the art is revealed in lower resolution?
But, and today I am blown away by what I heard, (and on FM's "Sounds of the Seventies"), it can also provide more pleasure when the art is well done; some of the drumming and guitar work from that period so reveals that much modern computer sequenced art is lacking in dynamics and clarity. I thoroughly enjoyed much that is not even particularly 'my bag'.
Have you considered a solar-powered dancing hula girl? Thought not, but don't dismiss it out of hand. She would fit nicely on your shelf as she's only three inches tall, and when the sun comes out she really knows how to wriggle them hips. I got one on my holidays last year, and she has taken up permanent residence in my van. Just needs a bit of sunshine to make her really boogie.
Just say the word and I'll pick one up for you next month - I'm already bringing one back for a customer who took a shine to mine :) They do cost 2 quid though :eek:Like this?
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190519/c3da0f7c1958a7816eb0aff9343c33c0.jpg
As if VU meters were not a sufficient distraction, you add a hula-hula doll? Why not complete the distraction with a couple of sound-activated dancing flowers that were all the rage in the '90s? ;)
http://cdn.ankaka.com/images/new-electronics/A65/A65.jpg
Pigmy Pony
19-05-2019, 22:00
Very similar, but mine also plays a Ukulele. She makes me smile, but when I placed it among Mrs. P's Willow Tree figurines it didn't go down well. She said Hula Girl was lowering the tone of the place :( Which is why she now lives in the van.
Pigmy Pony
19-05-2019, 22:09
As if VU meters were not a sufficient distraction, you add a hula-hula doll? Why not complete the distraction with a couple of sound-activated dancing flowers that were all the rage in the '90s? ;)
http://cdn.ankaka.com/images/new-electronics/A65/A65.jpg
I do prefer cordless technology wherever practical, so if I come across a solar powered one of these on holiday I may just treat myself. Got to be careful though that it doesn't become a collecting obsession. I would want to be known as that mad bloke whose house is overrun with hula girls and flowers. As with cat ownership, less is more.
Regrettably they also clutter the windowsills where I work in some sort of massive homage to tat. The flowers even have names written on them.
I do prefer cordless technology wherever practical, so if I come across a solar powered one of these on holiday I may just treat myself. Got to be careful though that it doesn't become a collecting obsession. I would want to be known as that mad bloke whose house is overrun with hula girls and flowers. As with cat ownership, less is more.
That was the only image I could find. The dancing flowers I had in mind were cordless and used a battery.
Pigmy Pony
20-05-2019, 05:57
That's ok then, I wouldn't mind a battery powered one. I really don't want mains powered - A quick count shows that I already have 14 items plugged into my two available sockets and that's more than enough. Besides, having a wire hanging out of the back would spoil the realism somewhat.
Pigmy Pony
20-05-2019, 06:06
Regrettably they also clutter the windowsills where I work in some sort of massive homage to tat. The flowers even have names written on them.
I bet they feel the same way about all the apple Danish crumbs and the framed photos of you shaking hands with Nelson Pass that litter your desk :ner:
I have a picture of him from the waist up. I call it my 'Half Nelson.'
Ninanina
20-05-2019, 07:38
:( Which is why she now lives in the van.
What Mrs P ? :lol:
Spectral Morn
20-05-2019, 09:27
What Mrs P ? :lol:
:lol::lol:
Pigmy Pony
20-05-2019, 19:59
What Mrs P ? :lol:
:doh: I spotted that almost as soon as I posted it, but I thought sod it, no one will notice. Wrong! Although that might be a better arrangement - Mrs. P just constantly complains: "Turn it down, it's making my ears bleed" and "You're not playing that crap again, even the cat's left the room". Whereas Leinani (my hula girl) just dances with a lovely smile even if I'm playing "Titties and Beer" by Frank Zappa.
It comes as no surprise to learn you are a Zappa fan.
:doh: I spotted that almost as soon as I posted it, but I thought sod it, no one will notice. Wrong! Although that might be a better arrangement - Mrs. P just constantly complains: "Turn it down, it's making my ears bleed" and "You're not playing that crap again, even the cat's left the room". Whereas Leinani (my hula girl) just dances with a lovely smile even if I'm playing "Titties and Beer" by Frank Zappa.
Saw Zappa play Wembley Arena years ago during his Titties and Beer tour. He was excellent.
Barry (also a Zappa fan)
Ninanina
21-05-2019, 16:55
I'm sure you really love Mrs P to bits though Steve... ;)
Pigmy Pony
21-05-2019, 19:20
Saw Zappa play Wembley Arena years ago during his Titties and Beer tour. He was excellent.
Barry (also a Zappa fan)
A regret of mine that I never got to see him.
Pigmy Pony
21-05-2019, 19:23
I'm sure you really love Mrs P to bits though Steve... ;)
May I direct your attention to my rather soppy post in "Tell me Something..." thread :) I was having a mardy moment - hormones I think
Ninanina
22-05-2019, 17:46
I guess I could always get a few of those dancing flower jobbies.. that'd fill the space left behind by the Naim bits n pieces... :eek:
Ninanina
22-05-2019, 23:06
Well after 'living' with the two ML's now for a little while I cannot see any reason not to sell the Naim straight away... I don't think I could go back now... which is nice I guess... ;)
I normally hold onto stuff for a few weeks/months but I am so liking the sound of the two ML's I can't see any reason to hold onto the Naim
Sherwood
22-05-2019, 23:17
Well after 'living' with the two ML's now for a little while I cannot see any reason not to sell the Naim straight away... I don't think I could go back now... which is nice I guess... ;)
I normally hold onto stuff for a few weeks/months but I am so liking the sound of the two ML's I can't see any reason to hold onto the Naim
I would encourage you to go back to the Naim for a short time just to realise how the Maggies sound without the extra grunt. That way you would never regret parting with the Naim stuff.
Ninanina
22-05-2019, 23:21
I would encourage you to go back to the Naim for a short time just to realise how the Maggies sound without the extra grunt. That way you would never regret parting with the Naim stuff.
That's a good piont Geoff... I will indeed try the Naim again just to make sure but I don't think I will regret parting with the Naim to be honest... I loved the SN2 but I do think owning the Maggies has shown it's 'weakness' if that makes sense..
Pigmy Pony
23-05-2019, 06:51
Aye, flog the Naims, and use the money towards a nice sportsbike for the summer, which may be here any day now. Or a Harley if that's your thing :)
Ninanina
25-05-2019, 18:51
Now that's an idea Steve... it definitely won't be a traditional Harley though..
Ninanina
29-05-2019, 18:23
I don't think I can be asked to go back to the Naim's to 'see' as it's such a pain removing the ML's and replacing them with the Naim stuff... I think I'll just sell the Naim bit's as I really do like what the ML's are sounding like...
mr sneff
29-05-2019, 18:45
Well, you can be 'asked', but can you be arsed Bev?
Ninanina
29-05-2019, 18:48
Well, you can be 'asked', but can you be arsed Bev?
Oops exactly David I really can't be 'arsed' to be honest... it's such a faff ;)
Good. Glad the ml stuff is hitting spot
Ninanina
29-05-2019, 19:24
It definitely is Grant... I can't quite believe how lucky I've been with the ML's... I just love the sound through the Maggies... they seem to be very happy together...
I don't think I can be asked to go back to the Naim's to 'see' as it's such a pain removing the ML's and replacing them with the Naim stuff... ...
Lol - added to which you know it really isn't worth the bother!
Ninanina
29-05-2019, 19:39
Lol - added to which you know it really isn't worth the bother!
I reckon you are right there Martin... I don't think the Naim's will sound anything like what I'm hearing at the mo with the ML's....
I loved my time with the Naim gear especially the SN2 as I think it's a very fine amp but I reckon the 383 is a 'cut above'... and with the 390 now in the system it really does it for me...
It is really good, and a relief when we get a sense of conviction and confirmation that a change is a solid move forward; ATM I am dithering around thinking I have moved forward, and then wondering what I have done because the sound is so often different from previously.
Ninanina
29-05-2019, 22:44
It is really good, and a relief when we get a sense of conviction and confirmation that a change is a solid move forward; ATM I am dithering around thinking I have moved forward, and then wondering what I have done because the sound is so often different from previously.
I know exactly what you mean Dennis but my two ML's are sounding lovely together.. ;)
When you can't be bothered to change kit around you simply know what sounds best. Enjoy the ML's Bev.
Ninanina
06-06-2019, 18:01
Thanks David...
I've just heard back from the ML service centre, where I sent the 390 remote control, and apparently badly leaking batteries have totalled it..
They are contacting ML in the US to see if there are any PCB's available and they'll let me know the outcome..
If there are no PCB's available then the remote is not repairable... nightmare for me as I'm just loving the 390 paired with the 383.... :doh:
I don't actually use a remote so it's not really a problem at the moment but if I ever want to use the 390 as a pre then I'll need the remote..
Don’t you just prefer whatever the new thing you’ve bought is? At least, that’s how it seems from an outsiders point of view. So far you have owned three very different systems, 1st a very ‘round earth’ system, then moving to quite a ‘flat earth’ system and now a very ‘Americana’ sound. Honestly, I wonder if you had experienced these in a different order your opinion would be the same but with a different order - the newest always wins. By all means have fun, but there isn’t really any kind of genuine critique at work here (you are certainly in good company in this respect).
thingfish
06-06-2019, 19:17
Marc ... The grass is always greener on the other side to some peep's...!!!!!
Ninanina
06-06-2019, 19:28
Don’t you just prefer whatever the new thing you’ve bought is? At leat, that’s how it seems from an outsiders point of view. So far you have owned three very different systems, 1st a very ‘round earth’ system, then moving to quite a ‘flat earth’ system and now an A very Americana sound. Honestly, I wonder if you had experienced these in a different order your opinion would be the same but with a different result - the newest always wins. By all means have fun, but there isn’t really any kind of genuine critique at work here (you are certainly in good company in this respect).
Well Mark you may well be right with your comments. I've gone full circle I think having 'lived' with SET amps for many years but I found that speaker choice was so critical with that set-up.... As you know I then went with the Naim's and loved it, which is, I guess what you meant by 'flat earth'... I thought, and still do, that the SN2 is a very good amp indeed and would happily have lived with it but I'm sure you know what it's like when you just want to try something different, so enter the ML's
I don't know if I just prefer whatever is the 'new thing' as you stated but I do think that I've come to a nice happy place with the ML's
I really don't care how I got to my present set-up as long as there is a nice sound to be had.... whether that's because it was some sort of 'order' I really don't think about that to be honest...
The only important thing to me is whether I like what I am currently experiencing and I do so that's all good as far as I'm concerned...
And whether that's because "the newest always wins" I have no idea but I'm certainly enjoying the current set-up, and that's all that's important to me ;)
thingfish
06-06-2019, 19:38
Hats off to ya Bev.........You know Wot you like, and you like Wot you know.
Who sang that again.?
Sherwood
06-06-2019, 19:38
Thanks David...
I've just heard back from the ML service centre, where I sent the 390 remote control, and apparently badly leaking batteries have totalled it..
They are contacting ML in the US to see if there are any PCB's available and they'll let me know the outcome..
If there are no PCB's available then the remote is not repairable... nightmare for me as I'm just loving the 390 paired with the 383.... :doh:
I don't actually use a remote so it's not really a problem at the moment but if I ever want to use the 390 as a pre then I'll need the remote..
Surely you could use a universal or learning remote. All you need is to look up the Mark Levinson codes.
Ninanina
06-06-2019, 19:44
Surely you could use a universal or learning remote. All you need is to look up the Mark Levinson codes.
That's what I thought Geoff... the 390 instructions, I think, do go into that somewhat..
The 390 doesn't come up for sale very often so I will do my best to hold onto mine as it's just a lovely sounding player and it's in perfect condition and works 100% as well...
Sherwood
06-06-2019, 19:54
That's what I thought Geoff... the 390 instructions, I think, do go into that somewhat..
The 390 doesn't come up for sale very often so I will do my best to hold onto mine as it's just a lovely sounding player and it's in perfect condition and works 100% as well...
There are many cheap universal remotes available although the Logitech range is a bit more upmarket and can be programmed to control all devices from one handset.
Ninanina
06-06-2019, 19:55
There are many cheap universal remotes available although the Logitech range is a bit more upmarket and can be programmed to control all devices from one handset.
That's great thanks Geoff... I will look into those..
Spectral Morn
06-06-2019, 20:01
Thanks David...
I've just heard back from the ML service centre, where I sent the 390 remote control, and apparently badly leaking batteries have totalled it..
They are contacting ML in the US to see if there are any PCB's available and they'll let me know the outcome..
If there are no PCB's available then the remote is not repairable... nightmare for me as I'm just loving the 390 paired with the 383.... :doh:
I don't actually use a remote so it's not really a problem at the moment but if I ever want to use the 390 as a pre then I'll need the remote..
Also if you want to sell it on. No remote, will damage the possible sale.
Ninanina
06-06-2019, 20:04
Also if you want to sell it on. No remote, will damage the possible sale.
I've thought about that but I guess if the remote is not repairable then the seller would have to offer me some sort of discount and depending what that was would be whether I'd keep it or not...
Spectral Morn
06-06-2019, 20:43
I've thought about that but I guess if the remote is not repairable then the seller would have to offer me some sort of discount and depending what that was would be whether I'd keep it or not...
Agreed
Ninanina
06-06-2019, 21:56
To be honest I actually hope the remote is repairable but if it's not then a discount on the 390 would certainly be appreciated... we will see how it goes...
hifi_dave
07-06-2019, 09:27
Thanks David...
I've just heard back from the ML service centre, where I sent the 390 remote control, and apparently badly leaking batteries have totalled it..
They are contacting ML in the US to see if there are any PCB's available and they'll let me know the outcome..
If there are no PCB's available then the remote is not repairable... nightmare for me as I'm just loving the 390 paired with the 383.... :doh:
I don't actually use a remote so it's not really a problem at the moment but if I ever want to use the 390 as a pre then I'll need the remote..
If it isn't repairable, which I doubt, then the retailer should replace it with a new one from ML. Probably a couple of hundred £ trade.
Pigmy Pony
07-06-2019, 15:28
Fingers crossed with the remote, but really, as you're loving the ML integrated can you see a time when you would want to use the CD player's pre?
#318 posts on a ML 383.
At this rate getting to #383 shouldn't be a problem.
:);)
I'll lock the thread at that point.
Pigmy Pony
07-06-2019, 18:21
#318 posts on a ML 383.
At this rate getting to #383 shouldn't be a problem.
:);)
I think Bev was hoping it'd end at 69 :eyebrows:
https://i.imgur.com/Df0RHxp.jpg
https://youtu.be/1irMMs-cBGA
southall-1998_mk2
07-06-2019, 19:15
Forget about the bloody remote. The exercise will do you good, Bev.
;)
S.
I think Logitech remotes are well made.
Ninanina
08-06-2019, 17:33
If it isn't repairable, which I doubt, then the retailer should replace it with a new one from ML. Probably a couple of hundred £ trade.
Well they tell me there are no new remotes available Dave unless you know different
Maybe you could let me know who I should contact at ML to double check myself if one is available, just to make sure I'm not being fobbed off as it were ;)
hifi_dave
09-06-2019, 09:22
You need to contact the UK distributor, which I believe is Karma AV. I can't believe there isn't a remote they can offer you and it is up to the retailer to pay for it.
Ninanina
09-06-2019, 20:32
Thanks Dave it is Karma AV that have my remote at the moment so at least it's gone to the right place... ;)
hifi_dave
10-06-2019, 10:19
Levinson the company, must have the ability to repair or be able to supply a replacement remote for you. There were tens of thousands of Levinson products sold, around the time when the 383 was current and there will be a suitable remote available.
When we were selling Levinson and Proceed, any spares required were couriered from the USA and with us the next day. There was no waiting around. The reputation was paramount.
Spectral Morn
10-06-2019, 11:03
Levinson the company, must have the ability to repair or be able to supply a replacement remote for you. There were tens of thousands of Levinson products sold, around the time when the 383 was current and there will be a suitable remote available.
When we were selling Levinson and Proceed, any spares required were couriered from the USA and with us the next day. There was no waiting around. The reputation was paramount.
Levinson have changed hands since then, the new situation may not be as good. I think Harmon Specialty owned them then, Madrigal labs before that, if I recall correctly. I think someone else bought them recently :scratch: ohhh yes Samsung owns them now :eek:
hifi_dave
10-06-2019, 11:38
I realise that and it's a great pity that Madrigal was bought out but even so, any decent manufacturer will be able to repair or replace a remote control. It beggars belief that Levinson isn't able to service older products. It's more likely that someone in the chain hasn't done what they should.
Spectral Morn
10-06-2019, 12:38
I realise that and it's a great pity that Madrigal was bought out but even so, any decent manufacturer will be able to repair or replace a remote control. It beggars belief that Levinson isn't able to service older products. It's more likely that someone in the chain hasn't done what they should.
Or they simply don't care, not in warranty, not original purchaser and as such, not our problem. That happens a lot.
There is some controversy in regards to Madrigals taking over ML, there is a wiki article about it.
When I e-mailed Krell the other day asking if there was any chance of getting a schematic for my amplifier it took them just 38 minutes to send me a reply with the required info. That's for a product they have not made in 25 years. Worth bearing in mind when considering the purchase of vintage high end kit.
Spectral Morn
10-06-2019, 12:51
When I e-mailed Krell the other day asking if there was any chance of getting a schematic for my amplifier it took them just 38 minutes to send me a reply with the required info. That's for a product they have not made in 25 years. Worth bearing in mind when considering the purchase of vintage high end kit.
Just as well you didn't contact their UK distributor. I once had a great convo were one of AS guys proceeded to BS me about the laser in a Krell CD player needing special installation tools and calibration and the laser was £500. Yeah right for a £25 Sanyo laser. We sorted a replacement, and it was fitted by the shops engineer.
We will never purchase any item that Absolute Sounds represent after the problem with a Audio Research Ref5se packing up after 3yrs 2mths. Cost quoted £4000 to 4500 even though there is a 3 year warranty. Not only that their engineer had it stashed away for over 1 year.
Spectral Morn
10-06-2019, 13:27
We will never purchase any item that Absolute Sounds represent after the problem with a Audio Research Ref5se packing up after 3yrs 2mths. Cost quoted £4000 to 4500 even though there is a 3 year warranty. Not only that their engineer had it stashed away for over 1 year.
Had it been run over by a bus? How could any repair cost that :eek: I would have bypassed them and gone to AR direct.
thingfish
10-06-2019, 13:29
Sorry Ant.......but weren't you a couple months out of warranty.
Try buying a Mercedes.
Spectral Morn
10-06-2019, 13:39
Sorry Ant.......but weren't you a couple months out of warranty.
Try buying a Mercedes.
A decent company will not quibble over a few months.
thingfish
10-06-2019, 13:46
Okay......name the so called decent company's that will go over their stated warranty.
Once warranty expires it's.......Fuk Yoo.
Should have bought our very reasonable extended cover Sir.....!!!!?
Spectral Morn
10-06-2019, 13:47
Okay......name the so called decent company's that will go over their stated warranty.
Once warranty expires it's.......Fuk Yoo.
AMR for one, from personal experience. Anyway this is drifting way off from Bev's theme.
Okay......name the so called decent company's that will go over their stated warranty.
Once warranty expires it's.......Fuk Yoo.
Should have bought our very reasonable extended cover Sir.....!!!!?
I don't believe one was offered. Agree it was over their warranty, but it had been back for a check-up and new valves, so actually used less than 2 months over warranty. Anyway it was sold as spares on ebay and here's a reply I received from him.
Hello Dave,
I just wanted to let you know, that I managed to repair REF-5. I took me some time, as I worked slow when I had time, and I had to get some parts also from USA. The repair was quite complicated, as many sections were blown. The display module was blown, the control CPU board was blown, and also the volume section.I was able to repair all these parts, but normally at service these boards would be changed. It took me a lot of labor hours, so this repair would be very expensive at service.So, as you can see, it came in good hands, and will stay here for long time. I also got black face plate to match my other AR gear, so will send you photo in black, when it will be assembled.
Best regards
Jakob
Ninanina
11-06-2019, 18:27
The UK distributor has mailed me today and confirmed that a complete new PCB is available for the 390 remote and they've ordered one for mine. I think it's coming from US so I'll give it a week or so
I'm just pleased the remote problem can be resolved as the 390 is continuing to shine ;)
Ninanina
11-06-2019, 18:49
Oh and if any mod wants to 'lock' this thread at No.383 that's ok by me... only 40 odd to go....:lol:
Great news - 39 to go!
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Ninanina
11-06-2019, 19:01
Great news - 39 to go!
Absolutely not long now... :lol:
Given that the thread has drifted from discussion of the ML 383 to that of the ML 390, the thread ought to be closed at 390; by which time Bev will have her new remote control. ;)
Ninanina
11-06-2019, 20:05
Given that the thread has drifted from discussion of the ML 383 to that of the ML 390, the thread ought to be closed at 390; by which time Bev will have her new remote control. ;)
So at 390 posts the thread should be closed... I'm ok with that.. as you say it has 'drifted' a bit... :lol:
No pressure - we have to get this spot on, musn’t finish early...
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Ninanina
11-06-2019, 20:28
No pressure - we have to get this spot on, musn’t finish early...
Absolutely Alex we will have to finish with a flurry, as it were... :lol:
Spectral Morn
11-06-2019, 20:40
I am glad the remote is being sorted out for you Bev :)
Spectral Morn
11-06-2019, 20:42
I don't believe one was offered. Agree it was over their warranty, but it had been back for a check-up and new valves, so actually used less than 2 months over warranty. Anyway it was sold as spares on ebay and here's a reply I received from him.
Hello Dave,
I just wanted to let you know, that I managed to repair REF-5. I took me some time, as I worked slow when I had time, and I had to get some parts also from USA. The repair was quite complicated, as many sections were blown. The display module was blown, the control CPU board was blown, and also the volume section.I was able to repair all these parts, but normally at service these boards would be changed. It took me a lot of labor hours, so this repair would be very expensive at service.So, as you can see, it came in good hands, and will stay here for long time. I also got black face plate to match my other AR gear, so will send you photo in black, when it will be assembled.
Best regards
Jakob
That so much went wrong, is stagering and would put me off ever trying an Audio Research product. That AS treated you so badly, awful. I would never wish to do business with them.
Ninanina
11-06-2019, 21:06
I am glad the remote is being sorted out for you Bev :)
Thanks Neil
As I mentioned it's not really a problem for me as I don't use a remote for any of my equipment but if I ever want to use the 390 as a pre amp then I will need the remote
From all that has happened so far Bev, it really looks like things are good for you, and it will stay.
It is really reassuring when little difficulties occur, but each is dealt with well, and confirms the quality of equipment and the reputation of the company, then, consolidation occurs.
Ninanina
11-06-2019, 22:11
From all that has happened so far Bev, it really looks like things are good for you, and it will stay.
It is really reassuring when little difficulties occur, but each is dealt with well, and confirms the quality of equipment and the reputation of the company, then, consolidation occurs.
I agree Dennis.... these things happen but these days I'm not going to make a big fuss about it as long as it's sorted out...
Definitely the 383 and the 390 are staying put as I just love how they sound via the Maggies...
Ninanina
14-06-2019, 23:57
Before the 390 posts are up can anyone tell me why the 390 gets rather warm? I've not owned a cd player before that gets so toasty..
Before the 390 posts are up can anyone tell me why the 390 gets rather warm? I've not owned a cd player before that gets so toasty..
According to the Stereophile review that is normal. Maybe it because it has two separate power supplies?
Ninanina
16-06-2019, 15:38
Maybe that's why Martin
Never before had a cd player that got remotely warm
All the best stuff gets hot.
Got to throw away the dud electrons in the form of heat. It's a quantum thang;)
Ninanina
16-06-2019, 16:11
I don't know about that Justin but certainly the 390 does get warm
I'm sure I read somewhere that it operates in Class A... whatever that is in a cd player... I've no idea
All of my Mark Levinson gear runs warm - some of it, the Class A monoblocks, actually run hot; so hot you cannot really touch the heatsinks for any length of time.
I don't know about that Justin but certainly the 390 does get warm
I'm sure I read somewhere that it operates in Class A... whatever that is in a cd player... I've no ideaYeah I was looking for that in the Stereophile review Bev, but it wasn't mentioned in my quick skim over it ...
Maybe it has a class A output stage.
I did smile when they were comparing it to my long gone MF Tri-Vista SACD, though. Looks like it is at about the same level as that. Which was pretty good. Class A+ rated I believe.
I prefer my Lampi to the MF, but it isn't a technically good DAC IMHO. It is just flexible and fun to play with and subjectively sounds very good indeed.
Ninanina
23-06-2019, 20:04
I've been informed my 390 remote is now repaired after they installed a new pcb from the US
I should have it on Tuesday
Ninanina
23-06-2019, 20:39
Indeed Grant...
Once I got over being a bit annoyed with the dealer, which didn't take long, I'm quite happy if the remote comes back to me fully working. I will check it out to make sure it's ok but I won't be using it as I don't use remotes
Indeed Grant...
Once I got over being a bit annoyed with the dealer, which didn't take long, I'm quite happy if the remote comes back to me fully working. I will check it out to make sure it's ok but I won't be using it as I don't use remotes
Remotes are nice to have. Especially if you want to skip a particular song on a CD, without the remote you’re more likely to just suffer through it.
And, it really helps the resale value of the component. I am shocked and amazed at the high priced used gear that no longer has the remote! When I was shopping for a used CD player, I was shopping in the $1 to $3k range, and two thirds of all units no longer had their remote! Either lost, or broken, some took quite a loss on their resale price because of it, or some still wanting full price had their units sit for a year with no buyer. I wound up buying a Cary 306, and the seller had two remotes! Having lost it, he bought another and then found the first one. I try to take good care of my remotes, for that very reason. Keeping them clean, and in a safe place, and don’t let batteries leak in them.
A very nice CD player you’ve got there! I gave it some serious thought when I was shopping, and a handsome unit it is!
Russell
Ninanina
23-06-2019, 21:13
Remotes are nice to have. Especially if you want to skip a particular song on a CD, without the remote you’re more likely to just suffer through it.
And, it really helps the resale value of the component. I am shocked and amazed at the high priced used gear that no longer has the remote! When I was shopping for a used CD player, I was shopping in the $1 to $3k range, and two thirds of all units no longer had their remote! Either lost, or broken, some took quite a loss on their resale price because of it, or some still wanting full price had their units sit for a year with no buyer. I wound up buying a Cary 306, and the seller had two remotes! Having lost it, he bought another and then found the first one. I try to take good care of my remotes, for that very reason. Keeping them clean, and in a safe place, and don’t let batteries leak in them.
A very nice CD player you’ve got there! I gave it some serious thought when I was shopping, and a handsome unit it is!
Russell
I've never used remote's and don't ever feel the need to skip tracks however bad they are.. ;)
I'm sure having a working remote will help with resale though which is why I was keen to get it repaired. If I ever get a ML Power amp I'll need the remote for the 390 as, apparently, it's a great pre... I've no idea though
To be honest the 390 sounds so nice. I know it's easy to praise the new kit you get but I'm quite certain it's the best I've ever heard cd to sound... it's not impressive sounding at all but just very nice...and, as you say, it's quite "handsome" and built like a tank
Good news, handy just to pause the music if the phone rings.
Pigmy Pony
24-06-2019, 06:27
Sod the phone, I'll call 'em back later! (maybe). Usually a call centre anyway :(
Put it on eBay.
Working 390 remotes could be a scarcity!;)
Ninanina
20-07-2019, 17:05
The remote came back fully working, which is nice...
Now I've noticed a slight problem with the 383.. the left channel has a very faint crackle sound... It's still under warranty and I've contacted the seller who's fine with me sending it in for repair to ML UK and they'll pay for the repair. I will also get them to do a full service while they have it as it's getting on a bit just to give it the 'once over' to check everything is as it should be
Very sensible, especially for a keeper.
Ninanina
27-07-2019, 18:01
Yes I think it's a keeper Dennis so worthwhile having a service I reckon
Ninanina
27-07-2019, 18:57
Not had music on for a while now and I'm still surprised how much I like the sound of the ML's... which is nice ...:)
hifi_dave
28-07-2019, 12:06
Yes I think it's a keeper Dennis so worthwhile having a service I reckon
Back when the 383 etc were current, there was no 'service' or 'repair'. They were built to a proper 'military spec, which meant replacing individual components was a no, no. The only repair was to replace the faulty board.
Ninanina
09-08-2019, 18:13
Back when the 383 etc were current, there was no 'service' or 'repair'. They were built to a proper 'military spec, which meant replacing individual components was a no, no. The only repair was to replace the faulty board.
Thanks for that Dave
I'll get them to replace the faulty board/s rather than any individual component
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