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pre amp one
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Bigman80
20-02-2019, 19:07
In the back of the IEC?
yes
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Hi Andy
Is your power socket on the preamp fused ???
if not ill send you a fuse holder and fuse
Don't rely on a 13 amp fuse in the wall plug, your board wont have any protection and will blow before the fuse does!!!
Steve
1.6A slow blow in the IEC
Yeah there is a fuse socket on the iec but no fuse. other than that evrything is good to go lol
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Bigman80
20-02-2019, 19:28
Yeah there is a fuse socket on the iec but no fuse. other than that evrything is good to go lol
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Send me your address mate. I'll pop one in the post tomorrow.Hi Oliver thanks, Steve just made the same offer! Great minds and all that [emoji6]. Ive sent him my address so no need but thanks for the offer.
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Bigman80
20-02-2019, 20:47
Hi Oliver thanks, Steve just made the same offer! Great minds and all that [emoji6]. Ive sent him my address so no need but thanks for the offer.
Sent from my SM-G950F using TapatalkAh, fair enough.
He's a top bloke
Ok fuse in and ready for the big turn on! looks like something not right as rhe 2 sets of 5 leds at the sides aren't lighting up. [emoji848]
On the plus side the otjers are so at least the electrickery is getting through[emoji16]
Any ideas of where/how to trouble shoot ?
thanks https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190227/4f7ae1b40836f4b1d02fd0a3696ec3a1.jpg
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TBH I would have been amazed if it had worked 1st time lol [emoji38]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190227/7e9699dcc707aa703d6ecd6134603987.jpg
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Bigman80
27-02-2019, 21:14
TBH I would have been amazed if it had worked 1st time lol [emoji38]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190227/7e9699dcc707aa703d6ecd6134603987.jpg
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I thought so but maybe not lol how do I test the polarity?
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Still ElectroNumpty lol
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Bigman80
28-02-2019, 07:15
Gonna have to have a closer look now you've cut the legs off and soldered them in. Check the pic.
If you have a multimeter, have a check of the components around the illuminated LEDs and see where the electricity gets too.
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Hi Andy
You can check if the led are right way round without taking them out.
Study Oliver's diagram, anode=post and is +
Cathode=anvil and is -
You can see through the led and you should have facing the flat on the board.
It only takes 1 led to be in the wrong way per side to put them out
Steve
Thanks chaps will do some trouble shooting tomorrow. cheers Andy
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ok so finally had a look at the board and the leds are the right way around. Think I have teaches the limit of my non numptyness [emoji1787] Any other ideas on what to test?
thanks
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Firebottle
11-03-2019, 17:43
Double check you have the correct small fets or transistors in the right place.
Double check you have the correct small fets or transistors in the right place.Thanks Alan
Have checked and looks like they are in the right place and correct orientation. Unless one of the components is duff or some thing [emoji848]
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Quick update !
After a short sojourn at Firebottle Towers for some much needed R&R :) the offspring PCB has had some much needed therapy. The inestimable Dr Bottle diagnosed some latent health issues which were in his opinion, entirely down to bad parenting :spank: *cough*
Apparently some numpty had mixed up a couple of FETs the wrong way :scratch:, no idea who that could have been :hmm:...…..:D
Anyway, said offspring will soon be returned to mater and pater to be put back in it's rightful place!!
Of course my thanks to Dr Bottle for his swift and timely intervention :clap:
Thanks Alan
Cheers Andy :):doh:
(Electronumpty Extraordinaire!:ner:)
:D Had you let the magic smoke out of anything?
:D Had you let the magic smoke out of anything?
Only my Arse!
lol
Know the feeling well! :yesbruv: :doh:
Well I've been looking at cases and stuff for the DCB1, quite a lot of choice out their however think I might have to get this just for the sheer cheek of it and lols :rfl::rfl::rfl:
yes I know it's steel but that can be overcome!:D:D
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tube-preamplifier-Chassis-for-M7-Preamp-case-steel-box-410x100x300mm/272883543976?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
I have spent the last couple of days looking at cases and at first look really liked this when I saw it on ebay at £85 + £55 PP (Its about half this price on Taobao - 420 yuan !!) But and its a big but the rear panel is dire. OK most chinese cases I have looked at have the input selector diagonally opposite to the inputs but this one has the output sockets between 2 banks of input sockets!! Bizarre
But all is not lost after much searching I found an all alluminium version with a better, but still not ideal, back plate only trouble is it cost US$195!
Shame - I did like this case at first look
Bigman80
21-03-2019, 15:48
I have spent the last couple of days looking at cases and at first look really liked this when I saw it on ebay at £85 + £55 PP (Its about half this price on Taobao - 420 yuan !!) But and its a big but the rear panel is dire. OK most chinese cases I have looked at have the input selector diagonally opposite to the inputs but this one has the output sockets between 2 banks of input sockets!! Bizarre
But all is not lost after much searching I found an all alluminium version with a better, but still not ideal, back plate only trouble is it cost US$195!
Shame - I did like this case at first lookToughest part, honestly. The other parts pick themselves but the case is a real issue.
Have you got Steve to build you one?
Yeah , there are a lot to choose from , just down to personal preference. Took me a lot of searching.
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Toughest part, honestly. The other parts pick themselves but the case is a real issue.
Have you got Steve to build you one?
I think it is 95% agreed with Steve now, on a slow build basis, he has other far more pressing priorities right now (as I am sure you are aware).
He did offer me one of his previous builds I wanted front panel text/graphics which it didnt have - hence the search for a case
I must have spent at least 8 hours in total just looking at cases. I think I have found one that will work, just waiting on the ok from Steve.
Bigman80
21-03-2019, 16:36
I think it is 95% agreed with Steve now, on a slow build basis, he has other far more pressing priorities right now (as I am sure you are aware).
He did offer me one of his previous builds I wanted front panel text/graphics which it didnt have - hence the search for a case
I must have spent at least 8 hours in total just looking at cases. I think I have found one that will work, just waiting on the ok from Steve.Show us!!!
Yep, Steve's got a bit on his plate.
It'll be worth the wait though. He's been through more variations of the pre than I have so I go to him with questions now lol
Hi Oliver, Ian,
I have all the parts to complete the build, just waiting for a decision from Ian on which case he would like.
The dcb1 turbo board is already stuffed.
Should be a reasonably quick assembly but that depends on how things are with the father in law.
I'd like to thank Oliver for his support during this difficult time.
CHEERS MATE!!!!
Your one in a million mate....
Bigman80
21-03-2019, 19:24
Hi Oliver, Ian,
I have all the parts to complete the build, just waiting for a decision from Ian on which case he would like.
The dcb1 turbo board is already stuffed.
Should be a reasonably quick assembly but that depends on how things are with the father in law.
I'd like to thank Oliver for his support during this difficult time.
CHEERS MATE!!!!
Your one in a million mate....No problem Steve.
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Board recieved back from Dr Bottle [emoji106] , fitting small heatsinks with thermal tape https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190322/70c43a5a8145883bbca86ffa35ee367d.jpg
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Bigman80
22-03-2019, 10:34
Keep plugging away mate. You'll get there. Delays are frustrating but it's all about the learning. It's so easy to get one thing wrong and not know what you've done. Alan has helped me out loads of times.
Keep plugging away mate. You'll get there. Delays are frustrating but it's all about the learning. It's so easy to get one thing wrong and not know what you've done. Alan has helped me out loads of times.Thanks Oliver
Just getting ready for the grand switch on ....[emoji851]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190322/0c18934c9676f8cd939ce351700aa303.jpg
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Bigman80
22-03-2019, 10:44
Thanks Oliver
Just getting ready for the grand switch on ....[emoji851]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190322/0c18934c9676f8cd939ce351700aa303.jpg
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It lives !!! [emoji3][emoji3]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190322/8e2d888d692f5cb8fd11fdbb71840b9d.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190322/c3ec2ff50945224d5491aee4adf15875.jpg
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Eek! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190322/1304c2bc9556fb25f0d2b3208a9ebdf1.jpg
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Testing all seems to work so far! [emoji16][emoji16][emoji16][emoji16]
Thanks to Oliver , Steve and Alan for all the help and encouragement
cheers guys [emoji41]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190322/8e6ce9be663d53e04f6ec63d5989a1c5.jpg
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Testing all seems to work so far! [emoji16][emoji16][emoji16][emoji16]
Thanks to Oliver , Steve and Alan for all the help and encouragement
cheers guys [emoji41]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190322/8e6ce9be663d53e04f6ec63d5989a1c5.jpg
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Hi
When i get some free time from father in law I'll pop over and have a listen.
Very well done, finally up and running.
Will take a little while bedding in but when it does i think you'll love the sound....
Regards Steve...
I've been following this thread, its ups and downs and heartaches. Feeling very pleased for you that it has all come together at last. :champagne::champagne:
Hi
When i get some free time from father in law I'll pop over and have a listen.
Very well done, finally up and running.
Will take a little while bedding in but when it does i think you'll love the sound....
Regards Steve...Cheers Steve
Sure just lmk and we'll sort a time out. Hope things go well for your fil.
Atb Andy
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Thanks Edward
Its had it's frustrations but has been a lot of fun and a good learning experience. Soinds pretty good so far too! [emoji16]
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Well done Andy, that's you time served now, you're a full qualified electronumpty :D
Love the case, hope you enjoy it!
P.S. What current is this running at?
Testing all seems to work so far! [emoji16][emoji16][emoji16][emoji16]
Thanks to Oliver , Steve and Alan for all the help and encouragement
cheers guys [emoji41]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190322/8e6ce9be663d53e04f6ec63d5989a1c5.jpg
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Is that the WA19 case in black ?
I am leaning towards this in Gold (QJ-4375)
https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1EX3VKpXXXXcfXXXXq6xXFXXX3/QJ-4375-Full-aluminum-Power-amplifier-chassis-Pre-amplifier-chassis-AMP-case-Enclosure-box-DIY.jpg
bit tight on the hight but I think it is doable
Well done Andy, that's you time served now, you're a full qualified electronumpty :D
Love the case, hope you enjoy it!
P.S. What current is this running at?[emoji16]
cheers should be about 750 ma but i haven't measured it .
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Is that the WA19 case in black ?
I am leaning towards this in Gold (QJ-4375)
https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1EX3VKpXXXXcfXXXXq6xXFXXX3/QJ-4375-Full-aluminum-Power-amplifier-chassis-Pre-amplifier-chassis-AMP-case-Enclosure-box-DIY.jpg
bit tight on the hight but I think it is doableHi yes it is the wa19 , plenty of hieght in it .
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Bigman80
22-03-2019, 13:33
Is it aluminium, more importantly.
all alluminium with a vented top plate and cheaper than the WA19
But - Downsides
the rear panel nees to be rotated 180 degrees ie mounted upside down to line up the inputs to the selector shaft
the internal height is tight at 65mm (external 75mm)
Bigman80
22-03-2019, 14:06
all alluminium with a vented top plate and cheaper than the WA19
But - Downsides
the rear panel nees to be rotated 180 degrees ie mounted upside down to line up the inputs to the selector shaft
the internal height is tight at 65mm (external 75mm)Looks nice!
Ok, no one sees the back [emoji38]
As long as it fits, it'll be ok. Is it the TX that needs the height?
O
How does it take for a stock spec one to run in? noticing differncs already after 3 hrs.
cheers
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Bigman80
22-03-2019, 16:08
How does it take for a stock spec one to run in? noticing differncs already after 3 hrs.
cheers
Sent from my SM-G950F using TapatalkIt'll settle down after 60-70
It'll settle down after 60-70Ok cool , btw got my tx from toroidy yesterday for the Bignottle , so thats good timing [emoji3]
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Bigman80
22-03-2019, 16:27
Ok cool , btw got my tx from toroidy yesterday for the Bignottle , so thats good timing [emoji3]
Sent from my SM-G950F using TapatalkAh cool!
Been a couple of minor changes to the BOM. Did you get them from my post on the thread ?
Yeah saw them, thanks and the Mouser list which is very useful.
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Firebottle
22-03-2019, 16:51
Hi Andyelectronumpty, just a little point make sure the small heatsinks on your rectifiers don't touch each other.
You may have to lean alternative rectifiers a little to achieve this.
Glad it's all working for you :)
Thanks Alan will do , is this to ensure better heat dissipation?
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Bigman80
22-03-2019, 17:30
Thanks Alan will do , is this to ensure better heat dissipation?
Sent from my SM-G950F using TapatalkNope, it's so they don't blow up.
Nope, it's so they don't blow up.Ah just a minor point then lol [emoji23]
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Bigman80
22-03-2019, 17:31
Ah just a minor point then lol [emoji23]
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They didn't teach us that at numpty school...
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Bigman80
22-03-2019, 17:39
They didn't teach us that at numpty school...
Sent from my SM-G950F using TapatalkThat's why us numptys blow things up lol
That's why us numptys blow things up lolA fair point , well made! [emoji3]
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Headphone test with spare outputs, all good so far !https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190322/6986b2ea1ebf902f58990a3d3073a4fd.jpg
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Bigman80
23-03-2019, 00:21
Headphone test with spare outputs, all good so far !https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190322/6986b2ea1ebf902f58990a3d3073a4fd.jpg
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No led on The front ? Not yet, part of a planned upgrade! lol . just wanted to get a stock board in to to get a feel for how to do things. There is a hole above the on switch for one though so won't be difficult.
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Bigman80
23-03-2019, 00:40
Good man!
How's it sounding?
Well when i turned i on at the start the high trebles lasted a long time , it was almost euphonic. Its smoothed out a lot today with a better balance and mid bass coming out as time has come on. It sounds a lot more " rounded" now and has bedded in a bit. More even across all frequencies.
Slightly different at the moment as the headphone outputs need to bed in aswell, seperate from the power amp ones so not used as much. Very detailed though [emoji6]. I expect it will open up more as it's had about 7 hours play time today, only 53 more to go lol.
I like it a lot though, also and I'm sure you know, there's a real sense of satisfaction having built it.
btw made some interconnects from the valab wire from pre to power amps. Definitely a step up from the Dueland i was using, a very clean sound. So glad it used it in the DCB1 for the hook up wire.
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Oh and nothing has blown up yet! [emoji6]
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Bigman80
23-03-2019, 02:28
All good stuff mate.
There is a lot of satisfaction knowing that you built it yourself but that doesn't mean you've not got one of the best preamps around imo.
You just got one for a lot less than it would be if you bought something
DIY is the way forward.
Ok just some finishing touches, before it goes back in the rack. Need another shelf [emoji848]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190323/b145f3da9988ec9540ab497b8da94c56.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190323/0ff39563f77bdff30626944b3f6ca39f.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190323/fb6ba8dccb6edd6ab7fe4249ca8a20f1.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190323/66042a64d46f7ea4a6f2aff52f86e78c.jpg
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In place , just need to run in some more. [emoji41]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190323/4378e9384de142535a0afdbcc811b858.jpg
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Bigman80
23-03-2019, 11:17
Ok just some finishing touches, before it goes back in the rack. Need another shelf [emoji848]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190323/b145f3da9988ec9540ab497b8da94c56.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190323/0ff39563f77bdff30626944b3f6ca39f.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190323/fb6ba8dccb6edd6ab7fe4249ca8a20f1.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190323/66042a64d46f7ea4a6f2aff52f86e78c.jpg
Sent from my SM-G950F using TapatalkLooks good mate, but I'd swap those silver bolts for black, that'd look proper then.
Love the badges lol
Yeah maybe , they came with the case but it would be easy to change. Or get some blingy electro blue ones off the bay. lol
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Hi Andy
Nice badge [emoji38][emoji854][emoji854] Thanks lol
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keith1962
25-03-2019, 19:15
Hi Andyelectronumpty, just a little point make sure the small heatsinks on your rectifiers don't touch each other.
You may have to lean alternative rectifiers a little to achieve this.
Glad it's all working for you :)So is one large heatsink shared across all 4 of the rectifiers not a good idea? I was sure that someone said earlier that they could be mounted off board on the floor of the case and connected to the board with wire like some have done with the Fets in order to get some heat sinking?
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Firebottle
25-03-2019, 19:23
The Fets need to be insulated from the case as they have a metal back to dissipate the heat.
If the rectifiers used have a metal tab then they also need to be insulated. There are rectifiers which are fully plastic encapsulated that don't need extra insulation.
Ok So it's sounding rather nice but still a bit of burning in to do:) . The budget attenuator (£20!) sounds fine but is a bit stiff and "clunky" to use as well as having only 23 steps.
I would like to replace it at some stage with a better quality item that is nicer to use which means either a Khozmo or Acoustic Dimensions item. I think the AD item is more likely to be bought at the moment looking at prices etc.
The AD Attenuators come in 10 or 100k spec, looking on the DIY site they recommend a 20K pot for the board so I'm thinking the 10K is nearest to this. Any potential issues with getting this one?
Thanks Electronumpty ;)
Firebottle
28-03-2019, 14:17
I went with the 100K pot, 10K is too low and into typical SS impedance territory.
I went with the 100K pot, 10K is too low and into typical SS impedance territory.Ok great thanks. That'll do for me.[emoji846]
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Ok great thanks. That'll do for me.[emoji846]
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Hi Andy
I've built 6 of the dcb1 turbo and Oliver has one too, we both use 50k series Khozmo attenuators.
When I'm free which should be soon I'll pop over with my dcb1 and you can compare.
Regards Steve...
Cheers Steve thatvwould be good , mine has stock dale resistors too so it would be good to hear the difference. I've ordered the AD Attenuater now already.
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Bigman80
03-04-2019, 06:21
Cheers Steve thatvwould be good , mine has stock dale resistors too so it would be good to hear the difference. I've ordered the AD Attenuater now already.
Sent from my SM-G950F using TapatalkYou won't be disappointed. Its a very good bit of kit
You won't be disappointed. Its a very good bit of kitThanks , a similer price to the Khozmo. Looking forwards to installing it.
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Well it's arrived so just have to work out the wireing for it as there are no mraks on the pins. Any ideas anyone ? Action feels very smooth and you can adjust the tension with a grub screw so thats good. [emoji846]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190404/da85ad91bc1dd551ad7a75a6e734b200.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190404/c0e63b06514c27f1d3ceebd4ee5f78aa.jpg
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walpurgis
04-04-2019, 09:03
Two rows of input right, output centre, neg left (I expect :))
Two rows of input right, output centre, neg left (I expect :))Cheers give me a starting point! can check with a multimeter i guess.
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The very helpful Mr Peter at AD has confirmed Mr Walpugis's suggestion is correct! [emoji846]
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"Two rows of input right, output centre, neg left "
Since pots rotate clockwise to increase output level, looking at the pot as in post 335, the left hand terminal has to be positive input, the middle one positive output, and the right hand one earth or ground.
Andy do you have a link to the supplier of the brass badge you used please. Could have sworn that I read it in one of your previous posts but can't seem to find it. tia.
Bigman80
01-10-2019, 18:47
Well it's arrived so just have to work out the wireing for it as there are no mraks on the pins. Any ideas anyone ? Action feels very smooth and you can adjust the tension with a grub screw so thats good. [emoji846]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190404/da85ad91bc1dd551ad7a75a6e734b200.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190404/c0e63b06514c27f1d3ceebd4ee5f78aa.jpg
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lol, It's getting serious now! Prepare to be happy.
Andy do you have a link to the supplier of the brass badge you used please. Could have sworn that I read it in one of your previous posts but can't seem to find it. tia.Hi mate sure
https://www.signomatic.co.uk/signomatic/label-and-plate
About £6 lots of options. .
Cheers Andy
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lol, It's getting serious now! Prepare to be happy.I am , for about 6 months lol [emoji6]
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Fairly sure I posted these, maybe on the upgrade thread [emoji846]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191001/e1e201b79466e23aea46cf2ecbe2214f.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191001/ca18a0a32277c7abde56ba963dc4fa22.jpg
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Bigman80
02-10-2019, 03:49
Fairly sure I posted these, maybe on the upgrade thread [emoji846]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191001/e1e201b79466e23aea46cf2ecbe2214f.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191001/ca18a0a32277c7abde56ba963dc4fa22.jpg
Sent from my SM-G950F using TapatalkWell, whether you have or not, how's it sound?
Oloiva, as you look at the pot with the spindle towards you, of the two sets of three tabs at the top, the left hand is +ve in, the middle is +ve wiper out, and the right hand earth (-ve.).
Well, whether you have or not, how's it sound?
Clear as a bell. More detail and better treble response but with no loss of bass there. Very noticable to the Valab SA i was using before and that sounded pretty good to my ears , it also used smd resistors so was similar in that respect as a comparison. Better quality all round and nicer feel to use in comparison, smoother action a lot less clunky and more -41 steps in attenuation. Noticable upgrade all round and better for it :)
Never heard a Khozmo so don't know how that compares.
Bigman80
02-10-2019, 13:36
Clear as a bell. More detail and better treble response but with no loss of bass there. Very noticable to the Valab SA i was using before and that sounded pretty good to my ears , it also used smd resistors so was similar in that respect as a comparison. Better quality all round and nicer feel to use in comparison, smoother action a lot less clunky and more -41 steps in attenuation. Noticable upgrade all round and better for it :)
Never heard a Khozmo so don't know how that compares.Excellent, glad it's worked out matey.
Thanks I'm very pleased all round with it so all good. Wondering what next with it. I see HiFi collective now have 0.5 watt silver tants .... mmnmm lol
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Thanks Andy. As you say plenty of choice.
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