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I have my own theory on this but I'm not sure that it would withstand close technical scrutiny, and that is that the more mid or even lo-fi the set up is the more room there is for Mike's cable to improve things.
Hi Dave,
Quite simply, the best cable is the one that you cannot 'hear', or perhaps hear the least. This is how I evaluate cables in my system. I'm not sure how terribly helpful that is in the context of the discussion, though, but there you are :)
As an aside, I'm glad that you guys are delighted with Mikey's cables - he's a most helpful and skilled chappie. This thread epitomises the camaraderie and willingness to help each other, through sharing mutual experiences and expertise, which sums up what AOS is about :cool:
Marco.
Ali Tait
04-09-2009, 19:26
Nah then Wazuk, (don't know what it means, my wife calls me by it occassionally :) ),
My bloody system's not particularly 'High End' either, in fact it's several rungs down the ladder from yours, so that fact alone shouldn't prevent you from noticing the improvement - 'perceived' is not a word that has any place in describing the improvement bestowed by the use of Mike's cable, IMHO.
I have my own theory on this but I'm not sure that it would withstand close technical scrutiny, and that is that the more mid or even lo-fi the set up is the more room there is for Mike's cable to improve things.
Enjoy the experience anyway and book your appointment with your local Audiologist if you're not bowled over by Mike'scable.
Cheers,
It's "Wazzock"-means a thick or daft person!:lolsign:
Dave,
if your gonna quote the Wife and insult me, at least get it right ol' Chum? ;) :)
There again, maybe you weren't joking when you said you'd make mine extra special
There's a small refinement to the way the screen side of the cable is connected to the plugs which all but a couple of the very first have. I'm not sure if it's brought about any sonic benefits though.
It's better than I remember, which MAY be due to the fact that I asked Mike to make the new ones 1.54m in length (after your earlier comments) rather than the previous 1m one.
Cheers,
Possibly! :confused:
I'd like to read more about this if anyone can point me in the right direction? :)
Cheers...
Dave,
if your gonna quote the Wife and insult me, at least get it right ol' Chum? ;) :)
Sorry, very sorry, please forgive! :eyebrows: . To quote someone else on a different thread, I was using the Elizabethan spelling :ner: :ner: .
Seriously though, until Ali enlightened me (both of us ??), I thought it was a word that she or one of her ex-work colleagues had 'made up'. Thinking aloud, there were a couple of Scottish lassies working with her, that's probably where she picked it up from.
Cheers,
Dave.
:)
Ironic thing is, I AM a Wazzock!
Sorry, very sorry, please forgive! :eyebrows: . To quote someone else on a different thread, I was using the Elizabethan spelling :ner: :ner: .
Seriously though, until Ali enlightened me (both of us ??), I thought it was a word that she or one of her ex-work colleagues had 'made up'. Thinking aloud, there were a couple of Scottish lassies working with her, that's probably where she picked it up from.
Cheers,
Dave.
Err, Dave!... see definition #4! :D
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wazzock
:lol::lol::lol:
The Grand Wazoo
04-09-2009, 20:56
Gents.
Re. the word Wazzock.
Actually, it's Wassock.
The origin in English is from 'Wiseacre' - a smart arse.
It's roots lie in the old Dutch for a soothsayer or prophet - 'Wijssegger'
Gents.
Re. the word Wazzock.
Actually, it's Wassock.
That'll work too... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wassock
electric beach
04-09-2009, 21:06
AAANYway.....
There's a small refinement to the way the screen side of the cable is connected to the plugs which all but a couple of the very first have. I'm not sure if it's brought about any sonic benefits though.
Possibly! :confused:
I'd like to read more about this if anyone can point me in the right direction? :)
Cheers...
Mike, I read a bit on another thread but don't know how to link you to it. Type THORSTEN in 'search' or THORSTEN LOESCH in Google.
The only time that I've ever heard of cable being better for being a longer length is in the case of braided power chords for RF rejection.
Err, Dave!... see definition #4! :D
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wazzock
:lol::lol::lol:
Err, Mike!.... seems as though the Scots borrowed it from us Yorkshire folk and, as usual, never returned it, - oops, sorry Gaz. Anyway they're all wrong - I did say that I was using the Elizabethan spelling which just (but only just) predates both Capstick and Harding, so :ner: :ner: :ner: .
Cheers.
PS
Perhaps I shouldn't point this out but it's remarkably close to Wazoo isn't it? :lolsign:
The Grand Wazoo
04-09-2009, 21:58
Ah yes, I know I'm a smart arse, but a Grand Wazoo is a big arse.
Hi Steven,
Yours went airmail on the same day as the others, so it shouldn't take too long. :)
Ok, thanks. Let's hope I'll find it on my doormat tomorrow.
Back to Digital Cables for a moment. ;)
I can also supply these with BNC connectors for £15 should anyone have equipment that uses them.
These would be a much better connector for this application. Why so few transports and DAC's are available thus equipped is beyond me, TBH! :trust:
Ok, thanks. Let's hope I'll find it on my doormat tomorrow.
Hi Steven,
Still no sign of it? :(
No, but I can already smell it :)
I guess it was something else. :(
Hi Gents,
Could I just ask where they've got too, who's got what and who's waiting for them to arrive etc, please?
Also... I've already missed posting one cable, sorry Jim, so is there anyone else still waiting for cables to arrive? Especially those of you who've already paid!!!
I've got that much going on ATM, I'm a bit worried that I might have forgotten somebody else. :( :scratch: :(
Cheers...
Covenant
08-09-2009, 10:38
Hi Mike,
The posh cable should be with Gazjam now
A standard plugged posh clothed coax (1m) that's been paid for.
Unless it's in todays mail, I am still waiting for it to arrive.
A standard plugged posh clothed coax (1m) that's been paid for.
Unless it's in todays mail, I am still waiting for it to arrive.
I'm starting to get a bit worried about yours, Steven. I would have thought it should have been there by now!
RM Airmail says 3-5 working days. Today should be the 5th working day as I'm sure it was posted on the 1st. :scratch:
Anyone know where the two white demo cables are? :confused:
electric beach
08-09-2009, 16:14
Anyone know where the two white demo cables are? :confused:
Mike,
Jerry (Jandl100) posted them to me last Friday, not arrived yet - but there is a postal strike...
Have you looked into the 1.5m issue at all? Seems a strange idea, but Dave feels he heard the difference! :scratch:
Mike,
Jerry (Jandl100) posted them to me last Friday, not arrived yet - but there is a postal strike...
Have you looked into the 1.5m issue at all? Seems a strange idea, but Dave feels he heard the difference! :scratch:
Ah yes, that might explain a few things!
I haven't been able to find much about the 1,5m thing TBH, but I'm quite happy to make cables of whatever length people might want or need. :)
I'm starting to get a bit worried about yours, Steven. I would have thought it should have been there by now!
RM Airmail says 3-5 working days. Today should be the 5th working day as I'm sure it was posted on the 1st. :scratch:
I just got home and I found a (trying to) delivery notice of TNT on my door mat. Something from England can be picked up tomorrow at the post office so it might be your cable.
The thing is I also ordered a pair of IC's from SBH at the same time I ordered yours, so I have to wait to see what has been delivered. I will let you know.
Mike,
Have you looked into the 1.5m issue at all? Seems a strange idea, but Dave feels he heard the difference! :scratch:
Hi Steve and Valerie,
Don't make any critical decisions based on my cloth ears :lol: .
Seriously, my perception was that it was better, and it certainly wasn't any worse, so, if the price is the same, why not go for it - nothing to lose and you might gain - problem is, you'll never be aware of it. :lol:
Cheers,
Something from England can be picked up tomorrow at the post office so it might be your cable.
I hope so! :)
Covenant
09-09-2009, 21:04
Its about time Gaz told us what he thinks of Mike's posh cable. (or have I missed that?)
I just got home and I found a (trying to) delivery notice of TNT on my door mat. Something from England can be picked up tomorrow at the post office so it might be your cable.
Hi Steven,
Any luck with the cable yet? :confused:
Yes, they were finally delivered yesterday. Turned out that the delivery notice is for the SHB IC's I also ordered.
I had a hard time getting your coax plugged in into my Squeezebox and Caiman but then I finally figured out that the WBT plugs can be screwed. :doh:
Thanks Mike, I will first let them play in for a while.
Its about time Gaz told us what he thinks of Mike's posh cable. (or have I missed that?)
Hi Jerry,
nothing received yet?
Covenant
10-09-2009, 12:55
Hmmm....lets give it a few days-I posted it first class and got a receipt but there is a strike at the moment.
electric beach
10-09-2009, 14:27
Mike
Demo cables received from Jerry (Jandl100) today.
DaveK
Oh, but we do trust you, you're our real-world reference, our reality check! :lol:
You said that maybe a 'lesser' system has the potential to show greater improvements from upgrades. Sometimes you need a revealing system to show the potential benefits of an upgrade. But as always it's a balance that's the optimum result; an extreme in any area or direction is never the best result. Put a cheap, dedicated mains cable on a boombox and you'll get 100% improvement, put the same cable on a revealing system and it will more than likely have more negative effect than positive. But add power cables with the potential to match the system components and the improvement could be of a magnitude far greater than the boombox, even at 10% improvement.
Valerie says "that sounds awesome - now leave the bloody thing alone!". But I can't. Not because I'm unimpressed with the sound or dissatisfied.
Mike's cable will be the same; an improvement in it's own right, but then I'll have to try changing other variables that were optimised before because that improvement will allow a different balancing act and ultimately that cable change will allow other changes that achieve a new balance to the system which can be even greater than that attributed to the cable itself.
An improvement from the upgrade component and a further system upgrade by optimising the potential.
Excited or what!!! :champagne:
Hmmm....lets give it a few days-I posted it first class and got a receipt but there is a strike at the moment.
When did you post it Jerry, can you mail track it at all?
The post is a bit of a mess down South at the moment, but I'm sure it will turn up.
Looking forward to hearing it, will it beat my NVA !?
:)
Got my sexy all black cable off Mike today. Nice piece of work I must say.
Put it in between the Monarchy and the 7520, replacing a Mark Grant one.
First impressions are that the sound is certainly different. Only been plugged in a hour or two but I will say it's a more natural sound and realistic. But digital is digital isn't it?
:confused:
Covenant
11-09-2009, 18:04
When did you post it Jerry, can you mail track it at all?
The post is a bit of a mess down South at the moment, but I'm sure it will turn up.
Looking forward to hearing it, will it beat my NVA !?
:)
Right, found the receipt. I posted it on 4/9/09 at 11.23 am.
No, it wont beat your NVA if the previous one didnt.
Thanks Jerry.
Bloody post! :steam:
But digital is digital isn't it?
Apparently not! :lolsign:
Had another listen to the cable today.
Definitely different to the MArk Grant one. More detail but maybe not as smooth?
Is there any silver in it? (Light the blue touch paper etc etc)
I made a couple of spdif cables and found Belden 1694A (same type as Mark Grants) was smoother with little less detail than the diy Max Rochlin cable using Belden 1505A
Hard to say which is best out of those
Is there any silver in it?
About 5mm at each end, linking the screen to the plug body.
About 5mm at each end, linking the screen to the plug body.
Pass me the Q-Tips.
Isn't hi-fi so personal? I've been listening to Lisa Hannigan this evening, much more of an acoustic style, and Mikes cable sounds much better than the Mark Grant.
electric beach
14-09-2009, 09:11
Mike
First impression - I'll take a 1.5 metre with WBT plugs if you'd be so kind! :pat: Wunderful!
The white cloth sleeve doesn't seem too durable and easily marked, so I'd prefer a synthetic jacket if possible, any colour.
PM your PayPal a/c and I'll send the dosh.
Mike
First impression - I'll take a 1.5 metre with WBT plugs if you'd be so kind! :pat: Wunderful!
The white cloth sleeve doesn't seem too durable and easily marked, so I'd prefer a synthetic jacket if possible, any colour.
PM your PayPal a/c and I'll send the dosh.
Hi Steve,
I'll PM you when I get home this evening.
Cheers...
Mike
First impression - I'll take a 1.5 metre with WBT plugs if you'd be so kind! :pat: Wunderful!
The white cloth sleeve doesn't seem too durable and easily marked, so I'd prefer a synthetic jacket if possible, any colour.
PM your PayPal a/c and I'll send the dosh.
Hi Steve... You have PM! :)
Covenant
14-09-2009, 18:35
Any sign of the cable Gaz?
Any sign of the cable Gaz?
Fraid not Jerry. :confused:
Mid week no show will be a problem I think.
Any sign of the cable Gaz?
Fraid not Jerry. :confused:
Mid week no show will be a problem I think.
Bleedin PO... Grrrrrrr! :steam:
Ali Tait
15-09-2009, 18:32
Strange that.When did you send mine Mike?
Bleedin PO... Grrrrrrr! :steam:
I know,
I've had a CD sale on the go for a while now and have been posting out a lot of CDs around the country, and there's been a couple of late deliveries ( one twelve days for second class post!), so hopefully Mike it's a late comer.
Thursday Morning post been and gone, still no cable delivered. :(
F*cks sake! :steam:
Hmmm... why do I get the feeling I've lost a pair of WBT 'NextGen' plugs? :doh:
Hmmm... why do I get the feeling I've lost a pair of WBT 'NextGen' plugs? :doh:
Most likely the package will turn up. Some parts of the country have a MASSIVE mail backlog due to strike action.
Covenant
17-09-2009, 13:20
Fear not Mike. As I got proof of postage I should be able to get the cost back. I think I will leave it a couple more days just in case.
Fear not Mike. As I got proof of postage I should be able to get the cost back. I think I will leave it a couple more days just in case.
Ahhh... good man! :)
Fear not Mike. As I got proof of postage I should be able to get the cost back. I think I will leave it a couple more days just in case.
If its not here by Monday 2pm (2nd post if Im due to get any) I'll let you know Jerry.
Gary.
Second post. Bloody hell I thought that had stopped ages ago.
You can say what you like about the Post Office but the government won't be happy until it's privatised and another mismanaged necessity has been spoilt my accountants.
Covenant
17-09-2009, 19:33
Can anybody remember what the limit is for a claim without additional insurance?
Assuming normal first or second class post it is £39
Anyone else looking for one of these cables?
I've got a couple of WBT's left over, then I'm having a wee rest! :)
then I'm having a wee rest!
So it's true - you do piddle in them! :lol:
Seriously though guys, if anyone wants a bargain (now limited edition!) digi coax, you could do a lot worse, at a much higher pricepoint... (10% commission ok Mike? ;))
Second post. Bloody hell I thought that had stopped ages ago.
You can say what you like about the Post Office but the government won't be happy until it's privatised and another mismanaged necessity has been spoilt my accountants.
I say second post Trailer, it just gets here in the afternoon if I've to get anything, usually by around 2pm at the latest.
I just had a re-read of my post about the Post Office.
I'm getting more like my old man every day.
:sofa:
Ali Tait
18-09-2009, 20:47
Sorry to sicken folks,but I got mine fairly quick I think.I'd asked Mike for two,one with the "normal" plugs,and one with the "economy" version.Being a nice chap,he said "No problem" and I received them a couple of days ago.I've just plugged the cheapo :) plugged version in about an hour ago,and having listened for about an hour so far,all I can say is "Damn!" This really has improved matters considerably.I'll post a more considered opinion later,but my initial thoughs are-how much of the improvement is down to the lockable plugs? I do have a couple of cheapie ebay leads that use Belden cable,but not the WBT plugs,so perhaps it's these that make the difference? :confused:
Hi Ali,
You don't have the 'cheap' one. ;)
You've got the middle range and 'High end' versions....
I reckon you'll prefer the 'mid range' one... Black 0144 plugs! :)
Ali Tait
18-09-2009, 20:51
Sorry didn't know.. See my PM!
Ali Tait
18-09-2009, 20:53
Funnily enough,having no idea about WBT plugs,when I unpacked them,I though the midrange one was the expensive one! :confused:
Mike,
As I'm going to get a DAC soon, I'll go for one of your cables. Don't mind about colour; whatever you have.
Can you PM me cost and payment details please?
(unless you want to swap for a cassette deck!!!):eyebrows:
Jason
electric beach
21-09-2009, 20:49
Mike
Cable received OK, the black sheath with the WBT plugs is the way forward, looks a real class act. The way the white inner cable shows through the material gives a high-tech graphite look, makes the posh white cloth sleeve look like a 50's electric fire cable.
I've had three cables together for comparison: the 1.0m WBT plugs (Mk1), the 1.0m ProFi plugs (Mk2) and my 1.5m with WBT plugs (Mk3). The demo pair will be off to you tomorrow. Connection is between a Consonance CD120 Linear and MF Trivista 21.
Comparing the two plugs we immediately and repeatedly heard quite a difference. Maybe that's due to the excellent contact that the WBT plugs provide but the Mk2 seemed quite constrained, lacking air, definition and seperation. Not a fan.
In contrast the Mk1 was a complete revelation. From the first few bars we just looked to each other in amazement, the sound was so different. The next words were 20 minutes later - "What next? Play this. Try that." Val said "That's not going anywhere". One of those messy upgrades where discs get roughly discarded in the haste to get the next one on.
To describe the sound I would agree with previous comments. The soundstage grew in size and spaciousness, bass gained definition (I love grumbly bass). I had an issue that the tweeters were a bit hot and harsh when driven into the Nohr's powerband; now the top end became pure and sparkling clean.
But these were only desciptions of the physical sound; the real real change was fundamental. I thought at first that everything had slowed down, even though the dynamics were striking, then began to realise that every musician seemed to have all the time in the world to put expression into every note. To hear the decay, or it's absence, in an effortless, open acoustic brought more musicianship and more of an instrument's character. More music and far greater access to it.
The 1.5 metre version, whether due to reduced jitter reflections or Mike's improved production methods to reduce contamination from Snake Oil, gave an information stream rich in tonal cues, enhancing the instrument character further and consequently sounding even more natural.
Just what the doctor ordered Mike, for my system you've given me something quite special. It's ironic that you don't need a digital connection to have and hear the benefit for yourself!
Hi Mike,
As I don't recognise the preferred cable from the description, is this the mid range or top range cable that so impressed Steve and Valerie. No problems, just curious.
Cheers,
Hi Mike,
As I don't recognise the preferred cable from the description, is this the mid range or top range cable that so impressed Steve and Valerie. No problems, just curious.
Cheers,
Same as yours, Dave. Steve opted for the black braid outer covering though... :)
Thanks Mike,
I guess it's just my newbieness and vanity but it's always nice to have one's opinion confirmed. I'm glad that my initial enthusiasm is shared by others - nice cable but better in white (;) ), 'cos most of my other bits of wire are black so picking these out of the mare's nest behind my set up is easy.
Cheers,
I like the 50's electric fire cable look personally! But what a "glowing" review! Happy that my cloth ears have been vindicated again, and I'm not a complete Numpty at all this! Great write up Steve & Valerie, thanks.
I've been doing a little thinking about impedance matching and SPDIF lately, or more accurately, minimising impedance missmatches... I'm not entirely certain that 75ohm is definitely the way to go, at least in all circumstances anyway. I feel a few experiments may be in order! ;)
Covenant
25-09-2009, 18:13
Mike did you get my PM? (invoice)
Mike did you get my PM? (invoice)
Hi Jerry,
Yes... but being a lazy bugger, I haven't done it yet. Sorry. :(
I promise to get it sorted out this weekend though! ;)
Cheers...
A few people have asked about the coax I use for these cables, here's the spec from the data sheet....
XXXXXX Coaxial Single Core Cable (75ohm)
A coaxial cable with a solid center core (1x0.61mm2) and a double braded copper screen (2 x braded screen made up of 0.15mm2 conductors providing 93% coverage) with a white PVC outer sheathing. Nominal Diameter 6.65mm. Used for interconnection of data or telecoms equipment.
Tip:Generally used for data rates of 34,45,140 and 155MBit/s where the use xxxxxx would impose severe distance limitations.
Distance Limitations:
2MBit/s=NA (Use xxxxxx)
8MBit/s=250M
34MBit/s=250M
45MBit/s=220M
140MBit/s=120M
155MBit/s=100M
LSOH: No
Technical Specification:
Number Of Cores (cables) 1
Conductor Diameter 1x 0.61mm2
Conductor Material Plain Copper
Impedance - Resistance 75 ohm
Attenuation (dB/100m) @ 4MHz = 2.331
Dielectric Material Polyethylene
Dielectric Size 3.70mm (Diameter)
Nominal Diameter 6.65mm
Number Of Conductors 1
Numbered Coded Cores 1
Outer Sheath Material PVC
Reel Length (m) 500
Screen 1 Coverage 93%
Screen 1 Diameter 0.15mm
Screen 2 Coverage 93%
Screen 2 Diameter 0.15mm
Sheath Colour White
Shielding Braid Material Copper
Capacitance 65pF/m
Reel Weight 45kg
1m Weight 88g
Try not to fall asleep. ;)
I know which one is xxxxxx for.... ;)
Btw, this should be suitable for a u-byte2 speaker cable, no ?
I know which one is xxxxxx for.... ;)
Btw, this should be suitable for a u-byte2 speaker cable, no ?
Well, I tried it as speaker cable once... It was rubbish! :uhho:
Well, I tried it as speaker cable once... It was rubbish! :uhho:
You know, the u-byte2 is kind of a special design http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/ubyte2e.html
You know, the u-byte2 is kind of a special design http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/ubyte2e.html
Yep, I looked at that years ago. Aren't you supposed to use coax with a foil screen though?... This stuff is a double braid screen. :(
Yep, I looked at that years ago. Aren't you supposed to use coax with a foil screen though?... This stuff is a double braid screen. :(
:doh: you're right !!! :sofa:
Btw, I would like to know whether you could make a 6m digital coax for me... only if one day you're bored, of course. :o
Btw, I would like to know whether you could make a 6m digital coax for me... only if one day you're bored, of course. :o
Yep... Easy :)
Yep... Easy :)
Geez ! Thank you Mike !!! :) pm sent.
Geez ! Thank you Mike !!! :) pm sent.
PM replied to! :)
Covenant
16-11-2009, 14:39
I would just like to thank Mike for replacing my 1 metre cable with a 1.5m one. After listening to this cable for a week I think its an improvement-more of an 'airy' feel around instruments.
I wouldn't argue the with the comments that 1.5m is the best length to reduce jitter.
I wouldn't argue the with the comments that 1.5m is the best length to reduce jitter.
Ah ? Is it ? :scratch:
Covenant
16-11-2009, 14:46
Ah ? Is it ? :scratch:
So I have been told Dimitri but no doubt someone will say its a load of rubbish.......
Patrick Digiacomo (Jocko Homo) says you need at least 5m20... ;)
This is supposed to verify the theory here : http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue14/spdif.htm
Covenant
16-11-2009, 15:47
Maybe I should have put 1.5m MIN length......
It's just a theory that works well depending on the dac. Pat said once that :
The receivers are not perfect; all contribute a significant amount of reflections.
Cables are not exactly 75 ohms. Really, really good ones are spec'ed at +/- 0.75 ohms. Average ones are spec'ed at +/- 3.0 ohms.
So, the length is important.
Unless you think that a.) jitter is nonsense, and/or b.) you don't care.
Some DACs handle jitter better than others. So, what may make a world of difference on one may be barely discernible on others.
In other words, it depends. But in any case, although you can get it right for less than 16feet, 0.5m is not a good length. But 1m5 is ok. ;)
Hi Mike-are the demo cables still floating about?Wouldnt mind tryiing the entry/mid level one in my meridian 200/263 combo:eyebrows:
Yep, I can soon dig a couple out. :)
Hi Mike,
Presently I am using a Soniqs cable between a Marantz WD pre3S and Caiman which has only about 50 hours break in time as yet. How do you think your Digital will compare and which would you recommend? Soniqs is also used to link to a WD88 Comments to a real New Boy.
Hi Mike,
Presently I am using a Soniqs cable between a Marantz WD pre3S and Caiman which has only about 50 hours break in time as yet. How do you think your Digital will compare and which would you recommend? Soniqs is also used to link to a WD88 Comments to a real New Boy.
Hi,
Which Soniqs cable are you using?... I use the ICT myself for analogue but I've never used it for digital.
I can do you digital I/C on a 'sale or return' basis if you like? Then you can tell us how it compares! :)
Cheers...
Just shows how little I know I thought that there was only one which is the same as I was using for my analogue before the Beresford ( which I have yet to thank Stanley for)and I am sure that it is not Digital ! I would very much like to try your cable as it seems to me that at present that I may be somewhat off the pace. I cannot wait to get my hands on this - How do you think it best to proceed?
Thanks for the offer and best regards,
Rod
Spectral Morn
03-12-2009, 10:46
Just shows how little I know I thought that there was only one which is the same as I was using for my analogue before the Beresford ( which I have yet to thank Stanley for)and I am sure that it is not Digital ! I would very much like to try your cable as it seems to me that at present that I may be somewhat off the pace. I cannot wait to get my hands on this - How do you think it best to proceed?
Thanks for the offer and best regards,
Rod
Hi Rod (Newboy), would you like to pop into the welcome section of the forum and say hello to the AOS members. Tell us a bit about yourself, the system you use and the music you like. And if you like you can post some photos of your set up in the Gallery section as well.
Regards D S D L
dazzler9000
03-12-2009, 16:02
Hello Mike,
I'd love to have try your mid ranged cable - the £40 one. I know I'm a new member here, but I'm very legit.... :)
How do you think it best to proceed?
Thanks for the offer and best regards,
Rod
Hi Rod,
PM me with your address and I'll get one sent out.
Cheers,
Mike.
Hello Mike,
I'd love to have try your mid ranged cable - the £40 one. I know I'm a new member here, but I'm very legit.... :)
Hi Darren,
As above... :)
Cheers,
Mike.
Hi Mike-are the demo cables still floating about?Wouldnt mind tryiing the entry/mid level one in my meridian 200/263 combo:eyebrows:
Hi Wilbur (Paul?)
The 'demo' cables were sold a while ago. I now make them to order on a sale or return basis. PM me if you're interested. :)
Cheers,
Mike.
Incedentaly...
I'll be sticking to the £40 WBT cable from now on unless anyone specifically requests another type of connector.
Cheers...
Hi Mike,
PM has been sent - WD88 set up is I think quite high resolution and I will leave things to you as to your cable and plugs.
I look forward with anticipation
Thanking you in anticipation
Rod
Hi Mike,
PM has been sent - WD88 set up is I think quite high resolution and I will leave things to you as to your cable and plugs.
I look forward with anticipation
Thanking you in anticipation
Rod
Erm... nothing received so far. :confused:
The WD88 is a great amp, I used one myself for a couple of years! :)
One cable left if anyone is interested? :)
That'll be the end of it for the timebeing.
Cheers...
The Vinyl Adventure
10-12-2009, 23:24
Go on then, how much are these things?
The Vinyl Adventure
10-12-2009, 23:33
... Gonna need a long one too at some point, maybe 3 meters! Been meaning to ask about it for a while... That doable at some point?
... Gonna need a long one too at some point, maybe 3 meters! Been meaning to ask about it for a while... That doable at some point?
Doable now!... I've got one pair of plugs left and then I'm winding it up till after Christmas. Quite a way after in fact, I've got too much of my own stuff to do and a couple of headphone amps to build for someone. Busy, busy, busy....
Ali Tait
11-12-2009, 16:38
Hamish,from what has been said on other threads,it might be worth asking Mike for a 6m i/c.In any case,well worth it.These cables are excellent,and very well made.
The Vinyl Adventure
11-12-2009, 22:42
How much for a shorty 1m one mike?
Il sort out a longer one when the time comes!
Ali Tait
12-12-2009, 02:56
Trust me,it's a serious bargain.I have two!
Hi Gent's,
All sold out!... at least till after Christmas, that is. :)
Cheers...
bigmarty
16-12-2009, 00:34
Hi Gent's,
All sold out!... at least till after Christmas, that is. :)
Cheers...
Hi Mike, I'm new here but very interested in getting one of your cables, it's great reading all the posts until I came to the last one, but everybody needs a rest so I will PM you after New year, hope you have a Happy Christmas and a good New year.
Bigmarty :)
Hi Mike,
Your digital cable arrived - I will fit shortly but will not be able to "run it in" for some time (how long do you think this will take?) due to other pressures - Look forward to a pile of scattered CD covers later - Will come back in 2010.Thanks for your efforts and do have a great Christmas.
bigmarty
11-01-2010, 17:55
Hi Mike,
hope you had a good Christmas and new year. I was wondering whether you will be making any of your digital cables in the near future as I would like to buy a 1m length . I know in one of your last threads you said "I'll be sticking to the £40 WBT cable from now on unless anyone specifically requests another type of connector." That would suit me fine Mike, I would also be happy with the black sheath but if you do them in Red that would be great.:eyebrows:
looking forward to your reply
Marty
Hi Folks...
Due to increasing hassle over getting hold of reasonably priced WBT phono sockets (I have to buy several sets to make it worthwhile), I'm making a change to how I do things.
The cables are now available again but I'm afraid the buyer will need to send me a pair of their preferred phono plugs for me to fit.
Price will be £20 inc. P&P
Cheers...
bigmarty
19-01-2010, 23:06
Hi Folks...
Due to increasing hassle over getting hold of reasonably priced WBT phono sockets (I have to buy several sets to make it worthwhile), I'm making a change to how I do things.
The cables are now available again but I'm afraid the buyer will need to send me a pair of their preferred phono plugs for me to fit.
Price will be £20 inc. P&P
Cheers...
Hi Mike, no probs :), can you recommend a supplier and type to buy?
found these on the net, any good
http://www.audiospares.com/product.php?productid=1324&cat=88&page=3
Marty
Hi Marty,
Nice plugs... expensive though!
These are plenty good enough TBH. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WBT-0147-Cu-Phono-Plug-Red-White-Pair_W0QQitemZ380088336462QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Co mputing_CablesConnectors_RL?hash=item587f07c04e
Cheers...
bigmarty
19-01-2010, 23:31
Hi Mike, thanks for that, and now I'v noticed you sent me a PM on Sunday night, very sorry about that, will PM you back right away :o
Marty
I've got a new 1M cable with Neutrik Profi plugs here that someone ordered and then changed their mind about, opting for WBT plugs instead.
£20 if anyone's interested?
I've got a new 1M cable with Neutrik Profi plugs here that someone ordered and then changed their mind about, opting for WBT plugs instead.
£20 if anyone's interested?
Mike,
I am interested - I will take it.
PM sent.
Alan
Hi Alan,
Yours it is! :)
Cheers...
Mike,
Cable in and working very nicely from the off!
Thanks
Alan
Primalsea
15-02-2010, 20:26
I was looking buying a new digital cable RCA to BNC to go from my PC to DAC. Then I stumbled upon this thread and remembered that Mike sent me a cable a while ago, I had completely forgot about it.
I stuck it in and oddly I heard a difference. I'm a bit sceptical when it comes to cables but I'm sure it made a difference!
Hi Folks.
The 'shop' is now closed. I'm done, I've made so many that my head is fried. If I never see another cable as long as I live it will be too soon.
Until next week. Maybe. :zzz:
Cheers....
Ali Tait
08-06-2010, 07:13
Till you need some cash to upgrade the amp again..
Till you need some cash to upgrade the amp again..
HeHe... not really, bud.
I'd have to sell hundreds to be able to afford anything significant to upgrade this little beauty! ;)
Life's too short to even bother with the man hours, each one was hand made to order. I've given the 'spec' to Mark Grant now anyway! :)
Ali Tait
09-06-2010, 07:05
O'netics output trannies.You know you want too...
alfie2902
09-06-2010, 22:18
Hi Folks.
The 'shop' is now closed. I'm done, I've made so many that my head is fried. If I never see another cable as long as I live it will be too soon.
Until next week. Maybe. :zzz:
Cheers....
Nooo! If you change your mind or fancy making one last one let me know Mike.
OR... if anyone has a 1m or 1.5m mid cable with WBT plugs that they're not using let me know!?
Cheers, alfie.
Actually, now that I think about it, the details of that cable are here on the forum!
Those with long memories or good at searching should be able to find it if they look hard enough. ;)
That's if the thread survived last years 'nuke attack'!
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Alfie, you have PM.
A few people have asked about the coax I use for these cables, here's the spec from the data sheet....
XXXXXX Coaxial Single Core Cable (75ohm)
A coaxial cable with a solid center core (1x0.61mm2) and a double braded copper screen (2 x braded screen made up of 0.15mm2 conductors providing 93% coverage) with a white PVC outer sheathing. Nominal Diameter 6.65mm. Used for interconnection of data or telecoms equipment.
Tip:Generally used for data rates of 34,45,140 and 155MBit/s where the use xxxxxx would impose severe distance limitations.
Distance Limitations:
2MBit/s=NA (Use xxxxxx)
8MBit/s=250M
34MBit/s=250M
45MBit/s=220M
140MBit/s=120M
155MBit/s=100M
LSOH: No
Technical Specification:
Number Of Cores (cables) 1
Conductor Diameter 1x 0.61mm2
Conductor Material Plain Copper
Impedance - Resistance 75 ohm
Attenuation (dB/100m) @ 4MHz = 2.331
Dielectric Material Polyethylene
Dielectric Size 3.70mm (Diameter)
Nominal Diameter 6.65mm
Number Of Conductors 1
Numbered Coded Cores 1
Outer Sheath Material PVC
Reel Length (m) 500
Screen 1 Coverage 93%
Screen 1 Diameter 0.15mm
Screen 2 Coverage 93%
Screen 2 Diameter 0.15mm
Sheath Colour White
Shielding Braid Material Copper
Capacitance 65pF/m
Reel Weight 45kg
1m Weight 88g
Try not to fall asleep. ;)
Hi,
would better specs 75 ohms coaxial cable, for instance, which is rated to 3Gbps be better than the cable you are using ?
Hi,
would better specs 75 ohms coaxial cable, for instance, which is rated to 3Gbps be better than the cable you are using ?
It's possible, yes.
However, if you look at the 'spec' of the cable I use you'll notice that the data rates it is normally used for are way beyond the speeds of a SPDIF signal. I've made cables with 3GHz & 4.5GHz bandwidths and been unable to detect any improvements myself. Others may find differently, so feel free to try it and let us know.
Cheers,
Mike.
Hi Folks,
I have located a small stash of the coax I use for this cable so a limited amount will be available shorty, if anyone is still interested?
I've just made a couple for some well known forum characters, so while I'm still in the mood... ;)
Can be made in any (practical!) length, prices on request, the choice of plugs affects this enormously! :stalks:
Cheers...
All will be revealed shortly ;)
Btw, Mike, are the cables you're doing now the same as the cable underneath the cream coloured sheathing on these earlier ones:
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/531/p1013686.jpg
It's just that your current ones look different, but perhaps it's just the sheathing? :)
Marco.
All will be revealed shortly ;)
Btw, Mike, are the cables you're doing now the same as the cable underneath the cream coloured sheathing on these earlier ones:
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/531/p1013686.jpg
It's just that your current ones look different, but perhaps it's just the sheathing? :)
Marco.
It's a secret! :D
No, in all honesty, the stuff "under the skin" is very, very similar, but there are other tweaks... ;)
Ah, I wondered...simply because, if you remember, I wasn't too keen on the earlier ones, and indeed returned those to you.
The new stuff, whatever you've done to it, is a whole different ball game!! :eek:
Marco.
Russell Turner
13-06-2012, 21:05
Hi Mike,
I am in the market to try one of your SPDIF cables, looking for a phono -phono (the better WBT 75ohm one(?)).
Length doesn't need to be any longer than 0.75m.
Let us know how much and the arrangements you prefer, etc.
Thanks
Russ
p.s Will it be made of the “new stuff” like Marco is gushing over as well please?
(sounds like a Royston Vasey episode)
;-)
Hi Russ,
£25 plus the price of whatever plugs you chose... I'm not in the trade so I have to pay full retail for those! :(
p.s Will it be made of the “new stuff”
Yep!
like Marco is gushing over
He is? :scratch::lol:
Russell Turner
14-06-2012, 21:31
Hi Mike,
I was thinking of the best option you did, wasn't it the WBTs?
Russ
Hi Russ,
Yep, I can do WBT's... which model were you thinking of?
If you want "the best" then consider one of THESE (http://www.audioquest.com/seventy-five-ohm/eagle-eye). If you can find any! *EDIT* - available here: http://www.futureshop.co.uk/audioquest-eagle-eye-digital-audio-cable-1m-p-5534.html
I can get very close to those but the price increase is rather substantial. Somewhere around the £300 mark!!! :mental: I also have to source most of the "ingredients" from the states... so it takes a while.
Cheers,
Mike.
Or maybe even one of THESE (http://www.audioquest.com/seventy-five-ohm/wel-signature). :eyebrows:
Be prepared for a bit of a shock though... http://www.futureshop.co.uk/audioquest-wel-signature-digital-audio-cable-1m-p-5990.html?osCsid=h54om02f546shqsebnmj729j31
Or maybe even one of THESE (http://www.audioquest.com/seventy-five-ohm/wel-signature). :eyebrows:
Be prepared for a bit of a shock though... http://www.futureshop.co.uk/audioquest-wel-signature-digital-audio-cable-1m-p-5990.html?osCsid=h54om02f546shqsebnmj729j31
Mike, I'll have a dozen of those please at 1m long - please advise your best credit terms :stalks: :rolleyes: :lol:
brian2957
15-06-2012, 14:56
You have the cable and we'll take your house . Oh ... and all your belongings:eek:
Brian.
Ali Tait
15-06-2012, 14:57
Yeah but you save 350 quid. Bargain! Not..
Stratmangler
15-06-2012, 15:08
Mike
The connectors on the cable you liked to are available for $18 a pair http://audiocrast.com/Audioquest-Eagle-eye-RCA-plug.html
Mike
The connectors on the cable you liked to are available for $18 a pair http://audiocrast.com/Audioquest-Eagle-eye-RCA-plug.html
Seriously this time :) , Mike, if you rate the above connectors I'm happy for them to go on my cable(s) which I intend ordering. Just suggesting it in case there is any possibility of a bulk purchase of them if others choose that option :) .
Dave.
Russell Turner
15-06-2012, 17:53
Mike,
On post7 you mentioned some WBT connectors on the original build of the cable with a good 75 ohm impedance characteristic, are these still available and of a reasonable cost?
Thanks
Mike
The connectors on the cable you liked to are available for $18 a pair http://audiocrast.com/Audioquest-Eagle-eye-RCA-plug.html
Seriously this time :) , Mike, if you rate the above connectors I'm happy for them to go on my cable(s) which I intend ordering. Just suggesting it in case there is any possibility of a bulk purchase of them if others choose that option :) .
Dave.
It's not so much the connectors on that thing, but the whole cable. It's rather good!
I had one in for repair a while ago (including replacing the plugs for WBT's) and it's quite clever. Sounded very nice!
Mike,
On post7 you mentioned some WBT connectors on the original build of the cable with a good 75 ohm impedance characteristic, are these still available and of a reasonable cost?
Thanks
Ah those! Actually, WBT claim 75ohm impedance (at least in some adverts) but I have doubts. It's a phono plug after all!
With the WBT-0110 they've messed about with the capacitance so that the plug and socket 'behave' like a proper 75ohm connector. But only when you use them together!... I read something about it somewhere or other, I'll see if I can dig it out.
My own preference would be for the 0110cu plugs as the coax is all copper. I've made plenty with the silver version for others and everyone seems to like them, but it just makes more sense to me to save a few quid and use the copper plugs on a copper cable! :) Bear in mind the bit about the matching sockets though!
Russell Turner
15-06-2012, 21:33
Cost of cable with 0110cu phonos Mike, eighty quid or thereAbouts?
Cost of cable with 0110cu phonos Mike, eighty quid or thereAbouts?
Hi Russ,
I've not bought any for a while so I'll price them up and let you know. I could do with some myself anyway! :)
Just had a quick look and a pair of plugs seem to come in around £90!
I'll shop around...... :hmm:
Doh! :doh:
Ignor that.... £90 for FOUR! :lol:
Or maybe even one of THESE (http://www.audioquest.com/seventy-five-ohm/wel-signature). :eyebrows:
Be prepared for a bit of a shock though... http://www.futureshop.co.uk/audioquest-wel-signature-digital-audio-cable-1m-p-5990.html?osCsid=h54om02f546shqsebnmj729j31
I'd really like to know who/what actually does buy cables at this price :mental:
I guess they must sell some?
Steve
Russell Turner
16-06-2012, 10:38
Mike,
Have you come to some price decision yet, now the connector quantity confusion (CQC) has dissipated...
:bulb:
Hi Russ,
Yep... I can do a 1m cable with WBT-0110cu plugs for £80 delivered!
Hi Mike,
While you're still in the mood ;) could you quote me your best price (to an old Yorkshire pensioner on a fixed and low income :lol: ) for 0.75m and 1.0m cables with these connectors (as WBTs are too rich for my blood :) ): -
http://audiocrast.com/Audioquest-Eagle-eye-RCA-plug.html
I'm happy to buy them and forward them on to you to reduce some of your hassle if that would help. Alternatively, as you know your cables better than anyone else, are there any other connectors in the same price range that you think might be better ( or cheaper and as good? ;) )
TIA,
Dave
Russell Turner
16-06-2012, 11:52
Mike you have a PM matey!
Out of interest did you find anything around the 1.5m length of cables and it mattered from a technical perspective or will my requirement of 0.75m be technically ok?
Out of interest did you find anything around the 1.5m length of cables and it mattered from a technical perspective or will my requirement of 0.75m be technically ok?
There's a theory bouncing around that I've seen where 1.2m or above is recommended, it's said to reduce reflections IIRC. I've tried different lengths but couldn't really hear any difference, in my system at least.
I prefer to use as little cable as possible, personally speaking, as it helps to keep things tidy! :)
Alternatively, as you know your cables better than anyone else, are there any other connectors in the same price range that you think might be better ( or cheaper and as good? ;) )
TIA,
Dave
Yeah... the plugs that are fitted to the cable Marco has! :)
You can give it a go if Marco ever gets his lazy arse in gear and sends it back! :rolleyes:
Yeah... the plugs that are fitted to the cable Marco has! :)
They're the same as those fitted to the cables here: http://www.theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18260
You can give it a go if Marco ever gets his lazy arse in gear and sends it back! :rolleyes:
Ah... Soz, dude, been busy. It'll go off to you on Monday! :cool:
Marco.
Nae worries... Still waiting on those cables to arrive from Mark, btw, before any meaningful comparisons can be done. The delay is in getting the Eichmann plugs from his supplier.
Regardless of that, however, I'd still rate your digi-cable as one of the best I've heard :)
Marco.
I've got some spare (used) Eichmann plugs if they're any use? Copper ones though...
Having said that... they're probably the last plugs I'd choose for a digital cable, I must admit! :scratch:
Ah... Soz, dude, been busy. It'll go off to you on Monday! :cool:
Marco.
Guys,
Can I jump in and suggest Marco sends the cable(s) direct to me?
Dave.
Nice one, Mikey. I'll bear it in mind, and see how Mark gets on. They could probably go somewhere :)
Marco.
Guys,
Can I jump in and suggest Marco sends the cable(s) direct to me?
Dave.
Good idea! :)
Okies, I'll just swing what I've got as your addy, Dave, by PM, to make sure it's the right one :)
Marco.
Okies, I'll just swing what I've got as your addy, Dave, by PM, to make sure it's the right one :)
Marco.
Huh? :scratch: English please! :lol:
Huh? :scratch: English please! :lol:
C'mon Mike, be reasonable ;) Scottish and Italian mixture there so English might be expecting a bit much :lol: ;)
Dave.
Hahahaha... Indeed! Too much Barolo with my lunchtime pasta :D
Marco.
Russell Turner
25-06-2012, 17:32
Impressive... Most impressive...
/Darth Vader
Radically changes the stereo imaging, instrument / vocal placement and bass.
I wouldn't say the low level detail retrieval is that much more improved than my home brew Belden 89259 with crap phonos on, the cable does reveal a tad more but it's not a like OMZ type of event, but the vocals and rest of the mix are so much more expansive, this is where it shines.
Hi Russ,
Thanks for the feedback! ;)
Cheers...
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