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happy days:)
Chris, I'll bet you a tenner that Man Utd will finish above Everton - fancy it? That'll be £20 towards some CDs I'll have at the end of the season, along with the other tenner I'll be taking from Stu! ;)
No bet then, Chris? :)
Marco.
No bet then, Chris? :)
Marco.
As a blue MARCO I should take your bet but I'm a blue and I know my history so I will decline, unless you give me 2/1 :D
Stratmangler
02-01-2014, 21:42
No bet then, Chris? :)
Marco.
I'm had all the payment I want from seeing Moyes team get beaten at the Theatre of Dreams Screams.
Welbeck should have been booked for diving, although I'm pleased that another one of his team mates was.
The only dubious call was when Lloris came into contact with Young, and Young's reputation of falling over at will preceded him, and the referee wasn't 100% sure that he didn't dive.
Moyes is starting to show the pressure big style, and he hasn't got the balls to take his share of the blame for all of the defeats his side have had at home.
He also doesn't have the grace to give due credit to opponents who manage to beat his side.
One thing Moyes has yet to do is gain the confidence of his squad, and it shows.
Stratmangler
05-01-2014, 02:28
Blackburn were good value against us in the FA cup 3rd round.
I hope their current manager can build on the grit they showed - if they can keep it up for the rest of the season they might well be rejoining the Premier League.
The replay at The Etihad will be interesting ...
I expect City to win the replay comfortably.
Marco.
StanleyB
05-01-2014, 11:10
Whilst on the subject of football let's spare a moment to remember Eusébio, who just passed away.
chris@panteg
05-01-2014, 11:54
Whilst on the subject of football let's spare a moment to remember Eusébio, who just passed away.
+1 what a player he was.
DanJennings
05-01-2014, 12:23
Beaten at home by a side in League One. It is a crap time to be a Villa fan.
Stratmangler
05-01-2014, 20:12
I'd like to congratulate Swansea for their victory at The Swamp today :D
StanleyB
06-01-2014, 16:33
On Saturday, Swansea is returning to Old Trafford in the league. I could have had good odds in the local Ladbrokes on a double win.
Get in there, HTFC's new signing scores a winning goal in his first game and Leeds get hammered 6-0
Result all round
On Saturday, Swansea is returning to Old Trafford in the league. I could have had good odds in the local Ladbrokes on a double win.
No luck, Stanley!
When the going gets tough, the tough get going... ;)
Man Utd 2 Swansea 0
:yay: :yay:
Marco.
Stratmangler
13-01-2014, 13:15
The big question from me today is was it or wasn't it a goal for Newcastle yesterday?
The possibly bigger question is why was Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa not red carded, because he just might have sidelined Samir Nasri for a very long period of time with a totally needless and very late tackle?
Oldpinkman
13-01-2014, 16:01
Did nobody else see Sturridges goal? And people used to say wrestling was faked and rehearsed. If someone put that in a "Roy of the Rovers" episode it would be ridiculed as too improbable. What a wonderful game against Stoke! :)
Agreed - it was an absolute classic! People talk about Suarez, but for me, Sturridge, on his day, is almost as good - and without the baggage...
That game yesterday was as good as I've seen all year, and keeps us nicely in contention still for that Champions League spot! :)
Marco.
Chris, when do you guys play Barca? That's the one I'm looking forward to! We'll definitely see where Man City are 'at', potential wise, after those two games.....
Marco.
Stratmangler
13-01-2014, 17:31
http://www.mcfc.co.uk/Fixtures/First-Team/2013-2014/February/City-v-Barcelona-February-18
Stratmangler
13-01-2014, 17:39
I missed the Stoke v Liverpool match completely.
Daniel Sturridge is a really good player, and I still can't fathom out why we let him go :doh:
Mind you, I was in good company with that opinion, 'cos Roberto Mancini couldn't work that one out either - the lad was gone before Mancini took the reins.
http://www.mcfc.co.uk/Fixtures/First-Team/2013-2014/February/City-v-Barcelona-February-18
Churz - I'll defo be tuning into that one!
Meanwhile I see that crappy team Arsenal are back on top of the league.....
Marco.
Stratmangler
13-01-2014, 23:33
Meanwhile I see that crappy team Arsenal are back on top of the league.....
I wouldn't call Arsenal crappy, but it's only 1 point and there's plenty of season left for them to slip.
Talk to me about it in March.
I see that Rangers are romping up the leagues ;)
Lol - the Arsenal comment was aimed at Chelsea (one of our member's here, not the team) ;)
'The Arse' are still my tips to win the league, and it could go down to goal difference.
Aye, long may Rangers romp up the leagues and get back into the SPL, as I miss the 'Old Firm' games - that is, however, if they don't end up going bankrupt again before they get there....
Marco.
Stratmangler
13-01-2014, 23:49
Looking at the coming weekend fixtures I don't think there'll any change in position for the top three in the Premier League.
Don't remember calling them crappy.
Still won't win it though.
City
Chelsea
Arse
Goal should have stood for Newcastle yesterday.
Wish they would scrap offside altogether.
Looking at the coming weekend fixtures I don't think there'll any change in position for the top three in the Premier League.
Perhaps, but I think that Cardiff could give you lot a hard game. Expect Solskjaer to come up with a few surprises... ;)
Mind you, any club that has that clueless clown Vincent Tan, as an MD, is doomed!! :wanker:
Marco.
Stratmangler
13-01-2014, 23:58
Don't remember calling them crappy.
Still won't win it though.
City
Chelsea
Arse
Goal should have stood for Newcastle yesterday.
Wish they would scrap offside altogether.
Someone has finally bitten :yay:
Why?
Don't remember calling them crappy.
Lol - not in so many words, perhaps, but the insinuation was there! ;)
I'm pretty confident that when Wenger departs, he will be leaving Arsenal with some form of prize.
Marco.
No Arse are a good team but don't think there squad is strong enough this season.
As for Newcs goal.....why not?
Stratmangler
14-01-2014, 00:21
As for Newcs goal.....why not?
Here we go, the expected cop-out :eyebrows:
Point 1 - there were 3 Newcastle players offside when the ball was struck.
Point 2 - of those 3, 2 were between the goal posts.
Point 3- the Newcastle player nearest the goal line became active when he moved out of the way. If he hadn't moved out of the way the ball would have struck him and likely as not gone in, and because of his offside position the goal would have been disallowed anyway.
Like hart was going to save it.
The offside players made no odds and didn't touch the ball.
Think most city fans would feel a bit gutted if it was there goal.
Admittedly the ref had a very hard decision to make.
Stratmangler
14-01-2014, 00:27
Like hart was going to save it.
The offside players made no odds and didn't touch the ball.
Think most city fans would feel a bit gutted if it was there goal.
Admittedly the ref had a very hard decision to make.
It was offside, end of story.
No way Hart could have got to it, but that in itself is of no consequence.
only seen it once and thought great strike!!
but offside, end of story!
Stratmangler
22-01-2014, 22:31
Great result for Sunderland tonite.
Another kick in the nuts for David Moyes and Manyoo.
I had a feeling in my bones that it wouldn't be an all Manchester final at Wembley.
Roll on Sunday 2nd March :yay:
Clive197
22-01-2014, 23:54
Great result for Sunderland tonite.
Another kick in the nuts for David Moyes and Manyoo.
I had a feeling in my bones that it wouldn't be an all Manchester final at Wembley.
Roll on Sunday 2nd March :yay:
Not a Man U fan then?
Stratmangler
22-01-2014, 23:57
Not a Man U fan then?
Does it show? :eyebrows:
Thing Fish
23-01-2014, 00:04
I have never been a football fan (far too many cheats and prima donnas for my liking) but the penalty shoot out this evening was a absolute joke...:lol:
What a bunch of overpaid brainless idiots...lol:lol::lol::lol:
Does it show? :eyebrows:
I predict that at some point during this season, and it could be a crucial one for City, Utd will beat you lot (or in some other way scupper your title challenge, and seal it for Arsenal). When that happens, will I be permitted to laugh just a little? ;)
Marco.
I have never been a football fan (far too many cheats and prima donnas for my liking) but the penalty shoot out this evening was a absolute joke...:lol:
What a bunch of overpaid brainless idiots...lol:lol::lol::lol:
I didn't watch the match. Did a few of the players miss the target? :eyebrows:
Marco.
Stratmangler
23-01-2014, 08:20
I predict that at some point during this season, and it could be a crucial one for City, Utd will beat you lot (or in some other way scupper your title challenge, and seal it for Arsenal). When that happens, will I be permitted to laugh just a little? ;)
Marco.
If it happens you can laugh all you want.
I was at the FA Cup final last season, and I congratulated many Wigan supporters that day.
The next chance our quiet neighbours have to beat us has been moved because we have commitments in North London the following day :eyebrows:
Stratmangler
23-01-2014, 08:22
I didn't watch the match. Did a few of the players miss the target? :eyebrows:
Marco.
Quite spectacularly, depending on your viewpoint ;)
chris@panteg
23-01-2014, 08:54
I predict that at some point during this season, and it could be a crucial one for City, Utd will beat you lot (or in some other way scupper your title challenge, and seal it for Arsenal). When that happens, will I be permitted to laugh just a little? ;)
Marco.
If that prediction comes true Marco, I will kiss your feet and embrace the church of lockwood!
But city are looking pretty awesome and I just can't see Arsenal keeping this run going, hope I'm wrong.
If it happens you can laugh all you want...
Ok, I shall bear that in mind... ;)
Incidentally, the only reason I have an interest now in the fortunes (or otherwise) of Man Utd, is because their manager is an ex-Celtic player, whom I happen to like, so after the Celtic and Liverpool results (I have no affinity with any other English clubs), the Man Yoo result is the one I look out for.
When Moyes goes (and I don't believe that is on the cards for a while), unless they appoint Martin O'Neil, or someone else of that ilk, I will care not a jot about what Man Utd get up to.
There are only four football teams I truly support: Celtic, Liverpool, and the Italian and Scottish international teams - and in that order of preference! :)
Marco.
If that prediction comes true Marco, I will kiss your feet and embrace the church of lockwood!
But city are looking pretty awesome and I just can't see Arsenal keeping this run going, hope I'm wrong.
Lol... Call it a gut feeling I have, Chris, and they're often right...
Arsenal are definitely due a few slip-ups (which could be coming soon), but I believe that the title will end up theirs, albeit it could go down to goal difference!
Marco.
Stratmangler
23-01-2014, 10:16
There are only four football teams I truly support: Celtic, Liverpool, and the Italian and Scottish international teams - and in that order of preference! :)
Marco.
I support 19 teams in the Premier League alone - Manchester City first and foremost, closely followed by anyone else playing United :eyebrows:
On rare occasions I would prefer United to win, but sadly the last time that happened Chelsea won 3-1.
You see, Chris, that is where you and I differ. You have this 'hatred thing' going on with Man Utd (which I understand but can't relate to), and I see that as a fundamentally unhealthy thing.
As a Celtic supporter, you'd automatically presume that I hated Rangers... Well, not at all.
I was genuinely pissed off when Rangers went bust and were demoted to the Scottish Second Division (because there would be no more 'Old Firm' matches for years and the title race would be far less exciting), and also saddened that such a thing should happen to a successful and long-established football club.
Therefore, unlike many of my Celtic-supporting friends, I was not 'dancing in the isles' at Rangers demise, as I suspect you would be, should such a thing ever happen to Man Utd! ;)
Even when Rangers were successful, I always supported them in Europe, as regardless of anything else, they were a Scottish club - and I would do the same with ANY other Scottish team. Do you support other English teams, when they're playing in Europe, and if so do you leave Man Utd out of that equation?
I'm asking purely to see how deep-rooted your bias against them is....
Marco.
Stratmangler
23-01-2014, 12:13
Hatred is a bit too strong a term to use.
Intense dislike is nearer the mark.
I have good friends who support Utd, but we agree to differ when it comes to football, and we all concede if our respective team plays badly.
I was seriously disappointed at the pathetic performance Utd put in at The Etihad this season - I was hoping for a decent competitive match, and that game was akin to taking sweets off a little kid.
To add insult to injury City weren't even playing all that well.
Ok, but you still haven't answered my question....
Do you support other English teams, when they're playing in Europe, and if so do you leave Man Utd out of that equation?
Marco.
chris@panteg
23-01-2014, 12:37
I think some of the dislike is directed more to the so called 'plastic fans' that Utd appear to have , I noticed a comment from one of these 'fans' where he stated 'I'm considering giving up supporting Utd' ,pretty pathetic ! Arsenal have had some right old beatings from Utd and City in recent times:( but I would never give up on em ! My team since 1970 .
Stratmangler
23-01-2014, 12:43
Ok, but you still haven't answered my question....
Marco.
Not particularly.
I keep an eye on how they're doing, but to say support is overstating things. I might watch a match if it's on the telly, but I wouldn't put myself out to do so.
I watched the 2011 Champions League final at Wembley because Barcelona were playing, and I expected a footballing masterclass - I was not disappointed.
Stratmangler
23-01-2014, 13:16
I think some of the dislike is directed more to the so called 'plastic fans' that Utd appear to have , I noticed a comment from one of these 'fans' where he stated 'I'm considering giving up supporting Utd' ,pretty pathetic ! Arsenal have had some right old beatings from Utd and City in recent times:( but I would never give up on em ! My team since 1970 .
There's more than a word of truth in what you say Chris. United have more than their fair share of glory seeking fairweather fans, and yes, considering giving up supporting Utd is a pretty pathetic state of affairs.
And there's respect from me for sticking with Arsenal through thick and thin, good times and bad.
I have always been a City supporter, and yes, it was tough in our wilderness years.
The game we play at The Emirates will be one of the key ones of the season, and I hope with every last ounce of my being that we leave with all 3 points.
Please do not take this personally!
I expect you to have similar feelings.
I've not long since finished having a chat with a Utd supporter from Manchester (yes, they do have some), and he's saddened to have lost last night's semi final, but relieved to have escaped the prospect of a battering at Wembley.
He's also hoping that Utd can make a better account of themselves in the rescheduled derby match. If Rooney and van Persie are both fit he feels that it will be a much better match than the last one.
Not particularly.
I keep an eye on how they're doing, but to say support is overstating things. I might watch a match if it's on the telly, but I wouldn't put myself out to do so.
Lol... Be honest: when hearing that Man Utd have been beaten in Europe, is your instant feeling more one of disappointment than gladness, or vice versa? ;)
Sorry, Chris, I think that the "intense dislike" you have for Utd smacks of bitterness, which isn't healthy, although rather common amongst football supporters, especially when involving a rival club from the same city.
I have no intense dislike of any football team, not even Rangers. How could I intensely dislike a group of players that have done nothing to me, and at the end of the day, are only doing their job? If their team beats my favourite team, then hey-ho, that's life. It's only a game of football.
Now, I *can* intensely dislike some of the low-life hooligans, posing as 'fans', who support the likes of Man Utd, Man City, Celtic or Rangers, and whose behaviour is often despicable, but that's a rather different matter.
However, football rivalry, for me, under normal circumstances, does not degenerate into feelings of "intense dislike". All I'm interested in is my team winning, but if they are beaten by a better (or luckier) side, then so be it :)
Marco.
I think some of the dislike is directed more to the so called 'plastic fans' that Utd appear to have , I noticed a comment from one of these 'fans' where he stated 'I'm considering giving up supporting Utd' ,pretty pathetic ! Arsenal have had some right old beatings from Utd and City in recent times:( but I would never give up on em ! My team since 1970 .
Well done, although just imagine how it feels supporting a real 'diddy team', such as Norwich - sorry Alex!! :eyebrows:
Anyway, the pathetic tossers who are "considering giving up supporting Utd" are precisely that: glory hunters spoiled during the Ferguson era. Thing is, I wonder how many "plastic fans" Man City now have, since they're one of the richest clubs in the world, and can sign virtually whatever players they like?
Might a 'glory hunter/plastic fan' be tempted to attach himself or herself to such a club, especially since Utd are currently in a transitional period? ;)
Marco.
chris@panteg
23-01-2014, 17:11
There's more than a word of truth in what you say Chris. United have more than their fair share of glory seeking fairweather fans, and yes, considering giving up supporting Utd is a pretty pathetic state of affairs.
And there's respect from me for sticking with Arsenal through thick and thin, good times and bad.
I have always been a City supporter, and yes, it was tough in our wilderness years.
The game we play at The Emirates will be one of the key ones of the season, and I hope with every last ounce of my being that we leave with all 3 points.
Please do not take this personally!
I expect you to have similar feelings.
I've not long since finished having a chat with a Utd supporter from Manchester (yes, they do have some), and he's saddened to have lost last night's semi final, but relieved to have escaped the prospect of a battering at Wembley.
He's also hoping that Utd can make a better account of themselves in the rescheduled derby match. If Rooney and van Persie are both fit he feels that it will be a much better match than the last one.
Should be a hard game Chris, city look almost invincible at the moment but I live in hope.
Oldpinkman
28-01-2014, 21:01
Loving the Liverpool game. Perfect tonic for tax return stress. Looking forward to February! No tax return. No European football 4 the reds. Premiership here we come :)
Yep, great result for Liverpool! They really are a 'sorted' side now, and slowly, but very surely, getting back to their best. Next season I expect them to be genuine challengers for the title, although, at the end, I think they'll be damn close this year...
As expected, a little slip-up from Arsenal (although Southampton is always a difficult away fixture), which when City play their game in hand tonight, I expect them to capitalise on. Chelsea should also beat West Ham, so the top three will look a little different tomorrow.
Good result too for Man Utd (sorry, Chris). Watch them go now that Van Persie is back. I expect Van the man to really start worrying a few Premiership team defences, and showing his true class, especially now that Mata (a player I really rate) is in the line-up.... ;)
He will make a massive difference to the form of Man Utd.
Marco.
Stratmangler
29-01-2014, 08:21
Good result too for Man Utd (sorry, Chris). Watch them go now that Van Persie is back. I expect Van the man to really start worrying a few Premiership team defences, and showing his true class, especially now that Mata (a player I really rate) is in the line-up.... ;)
He will make a massive difference to the form of Man Utd.
Marco.
No need to be sorry.
I'm only interested in the outcome of the rearranged derby match, which is promising to be more entertaining than the woeful affair last time around.
Indeed. It should definitely be a better match :)
Marco.
Southampton deserved a win last night. Played arsenal off the park in the first half.
Well, City certainly capitalised mostly from Arsenal's slip-up.... I knew they'd win, but didn't suspect it would be so emphatic. Chris will be happy! :)
Marco.
chris@panteg
29-01-2014, 22:57
Just watched the highlights, city were outstanding as usual, Tottenham were poor but most teams look poor against city at the moment.
Poor 1st half from the gunners last night, could be costly.
Just watched the highlights, city were outstanding as usual, Tottenham were poor but most teams look poor against city at the moment.
Poor 1st half from the gunners last night, could be costly.
Saints the only team to get anything vs city in their last 10 games apparently.
Also, arsenal were poor yes, but you need to look at why they were poor. Saints did not let them play. It looked like saints were top and arsenal 9th.
chris@panteg
30-01-2014, 17:50
Saints the only team to get anything vs city in their last 10 games apparently.
Also, arsenal were poor yes, but you need to look at why they were poor. Saints did not let them play. It looked like saints were top and arsenal 9th.
Yes indeed, yet despite playing so poorly came back to lead 2-1 before gifting the saints a deserved point.
I agree, chaps, with your summary of the game. The other way to look at, however, is that in another season Arsenal would've lost all three points... Fighting back for a draw showed character, and that one point could be so crucial, come the end of the season ;)
Marco.
chris@panteg
30-01-2014, 18:32
It might Marco, but the way city are playing....
Worry not, it's just a phase! :D
Marco.
Stratmangler
30-01-2014, 21:22
Worry not, it's just a phase! :D
Marco.
Aye!
The name of the phase is The 2013/2014 season :D
Chelsea on Monday night - I can barely wait :eyebrows:
I was very pleased with the way we played against Tottenham last night.
There were a couple of contentious decisions, but that's always going to be the case in big games.
chris@panteg
03-02-2014, 22:26
Great win for Chelsea!
Stratmangler
03-02-2014, 23:13
Great win for Chelsea!
They came with a game plan and stuck with it throughout.
Best team on the night won.
chris@panteg
04-02-2014, 00:54
They came with a game plan and stuck with it throughout.
Best team on the night won.
Watched the highlights earlier, very impressive, cracking game!!
Keeps everything very tight up the top. Lots more twists and turns to come
Still expect City to take the title with Chels 2nd and Arsenal 3rd.
Arsenals fixtures for Feb & March are pretty awful.
Still expect City to take the title with Chels 2nd and Arsenal 3rd.
Arsenals fixtures for Feb & March are pretty awful.
yeah hopefully they will get gunned down tomorrow.
cant see it though
Stratmangler
08-02-2014, 10:33
I don't think playing away from home is the obstacle for City that appeared to be the case earlier in the season.
I would think Norwich would be pleased to not have to face Aguero, although Negredo, Dzeko and Jovetic should be enough of a handful :eyebrows:
Is Hooper playing for Norwich? Watch out for him, if he is! ;)
Marco.
Stratmangler
08-02-2014, 10:45
They've just signed a player from Fenerbahce who's supposed to be quite handy.
Looking forward to the match.
Stratmangler
08-02-2014, 10:51
yeah hopefully they will get gunned down tomorrow.
cant see it though
Should be an interesting one at Anfield.
Be nice to see Arsene & the boys go home with nothing :eyebrows:
chris@panteg
08-02-2014, 13:05
2 down already, could get hammered today, not entirely surprised, defence has looked shaky to me and today looks exposed.
chris@panteg
08-02-2014, 13:17
Could be 6-0 at this rate or 8-2 again, this has been on the cards though!! February collapse again?
none of my gooner mates will pick up the phone. thats odd :scratch:
chris@panteg
08-02-2014, 16:36
Bad enough the gunners getting thumped but Wales knocked over as well :(
Large quantity of ale needed.
chris@panteg
08-02-2014, 17:11
City goalless at Norwich, some consolation.
That was a sore one to take, Chris. I feel for ya... However, I did say that Arsenal were due a few bad results. I feel that the game was more a testament to Liverpool's resurgence and ever-increasing quality, than Arsenal's failings, per se. Trust me, mate, they will recover from this ;)
The result, however, certainly rubber-stamps Liverpool's credentials for being genuine title challengers next year.....
However, there's no doubt that the biggest winners from today's results (dropped points at the top) were Chelsea!
Marco.
Stratmangler
08-02-2014, 18:22
That was a sore one to take, Chris. I feel for ya... However, I did say that Arsenal were due a few bad results. I feel that the game was more a testament to Liverpool's resurgence and ever-increasing quality, than Arsenal's failings, per se. Trust me, mate, they will recover from this ;)
The result certainly rubber-stamps Liverpool's credentials for being genuine title challengers next year.....
However, there's no doubt that the biggest winners from today's results (dropped points at the top) were Chelsea!
Marco.
Arsenal going down 5-1 at Anfield was was a bit of an unexpected surprise.
Frustrating for us at Norwich today - they had barely a shot on goal, although I can't believe they missed a goalmouth cross late on in the game.
Still, only a point between each of the top three placings, so it's game on Tuesday/Wednesday.
We have Sunderland back at ours on Wednesday.
arsenal can get their own back by dumping us out of the cup.
Yes, that is going to be some game! :eek:
Marco.
Arsenal were awful.
They need to sort it out quick.
Utd,Liverpool and Bayern in the next 10 days.
Oldpinkman
08-02-2014, 21:35
arsenal can get their own back by dumping us out of the cup.
Ynwa ;)
0 - 0 was a freaking amazing result for the Canaries given how we've been slaughtered ruthlessly in the top flight by Man City since about 1992! Still, a valuable point, could make all the difference...
Was Hooper playing, Alex? If so, how did he do - in fact how's he been doing in general since he signed? :)
Marco.
Our top scorer Marco - a magnificent 7 goals! Tells the tale of our season, really. (He played for 68 minutes today, replaced by Ricky van Wolfswinkel who went close/squandered our best chance so I believe...
Stratmangler
12-02-2014, 21:42
Interesting game between Arsenal and Manyoo tonight, and a fair result I thought.
Old George
12-02-2014, 22:06
Interesting game between Arsenal and Manyoo tonight, and a fair result I thought.
Speaking as a life-long Utd supporter i have to agree, although the Gunners had the best chances.
We look like a shell shocked team that's lacking in confidence and has forgot how to win, by this seasons standards it's actually a good result for us, i was expecting to lose 3-0.
Interesting game between Arsenal and Manyoo tonight, and a fair result I thought.
Indeed, and an excellent away win for Liverpool! :yay:
Hey, if we keep this up.... Nah, we'll save that for next season ;)
Bottom line is that it's still VERY tight at the top!
Marco.
Stratmangler
12-02-2014, 22:26
Speaking as a life-long Utd supporter i have to agree, although the Gunners had the best chances.
We look like a shell shocked team that's lacking in confidence and has forgot how to win, by this seasons standards it's actually a good result for us, i was expecting to lose 3-0.
Your result has helped City too, which is an added bonus for you :D
I was parked up at the Etihad tonight when I found out our game had been called off. No bloody surprise either, there are trees down across a number of roads around Manchester, not to mention bits of stadium furniture (a programme kiosk) being blown around and bashing into things.
The upside is the respite should do us well for Chelsea's return on Saturday.
On a personal note, I managed to get back my car parking charge, with no quibble. Result :cool:
Old George
12-02-2014, 23:43
Your result has helped City too, which is an added bonus for you :D
I was parked up at the Etihad tonight when I found out our game had been called off. No bloody surprise either, there are trees down across a number of roads around Manchester, not to mention bits of stadium furniture (a programme kiosk) being blown around and bashing into things.
The upside is the respite should do us well for Chelsea's return on Saturday.
On a personal note, I managed to get back my car parking charge, with no quibble. Result :cool:
Yes it's been really bad in town, police had warned the public to keep away.
We'll be back in Europe next season..............That's if a war breaks out!:D
Stratmangler
14-02-2014, 23:48
One of the greats has left us.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26200831
chris@panteg
16-02-2014, 18:07
Liverpool played very well again, but a win for the gunners, just relieved really, they used to say lucky Arsenal, bit of that today.
Stratmangler
16-02-2014, 19:43
mickey mouse cup ;):(
Nowt Mickey Mouse about it at all :nono:
I see we have Wigan to face now.
only kidding.
maybe next year?
Stratmangler
16-02-2014, 20:16
only kidding.
maybe next year?
It sounded a bit like sour grapes from where I'm sat, and I've had a belly full of that from "The Special One".
The way he was going on you'd think there was a conspiracy with the weather in Manchester last Wednesday night, set up so we didn't play and had a rest instead.
Maybe next year for Liverpool, eh?
Well done to Arsenal! :clap:
Btw, regarding the Man City vs. Chelsea cup game, when I left it (before I had to go out), City had scored three goals, so the last one must've been chopped off... What happened?
Marco.
Stratmangler
16-02-2014, 20:36
Well done to Arsenal! :clap:
Btw, regarding the Man City vs. Chelsea cup game, when I left it (before I had to go out), City had scored three goals, so the last one must've been chopped off... What happened?
Marco.
Lescott's goal was correctly flagged offside.
Ah, thought it'd be something like that :)
Dunno how Mourinho could complain about the result, as City outplayed Chelsea for virtually the whole match - and so were worthy winners!
Marco.
Stratmangler
16-02-2014, 20:45
Ah, thought it'd be something like that :)
Dunno how Mourinho could complain about the result, as City outplayed Chelsea for virtually the whole match - and so were worthy winners!
Marco.
His team have an advantage in the League now, as they're not still competing in four competitions - can't have it all ways :eyebrows:
So what's the score going to be tonight then, Chris? :)
I predict a Man City win: 3-2 (and with some notable controversy)!
Marco.
Stratmangler
18-02-2014, 13:21
So what's the score going to be tonight then, Chris? :)
I predict a Man City win: 3-2 (and with some notable controversy)!
Marco.
I hope you're right about result.
No predictions from me - even without Aguero we have a side that can do great things, so I just keep the faith, and anticipate the game knowing that it will be a tough one.
If we can keep the Barcelona midfield quiet then who knows what the result will be?
Fingers crossed, Chris. As they're the British team, I'll certainly be supporting City.
You guys are usually very strong at home, so I'm hoping that will continune to be the case tonight. As long as the result leaves you with something useful to defend in the return leg (as that will be a *very* tough game), then I think you're in with a chance of progressing.
Good luck, matey! :)
Marco.
Stratmangler
18-02-2014, 13:38
Cheers for that :cool:
The postponed match from last week had the effect I thought it would, in that a tired squad had a bit of respite from nursing the aches and niggles, and came back all the stronger for it.
Mourinho was quite correct in his comments about City looking the fresher of the two sides on Saturday.
I was at the league game against Chelsea, and it was a different story altogether - Chelsea were the stronger side both physically and mentally, and it showed. Isn't it funny what difference a couple of weeks (and a rest) can make?
I'm hoping that the unscheduled rest and its positive effects continue for the rest of the season - all I know is we've got a hell of a lot of games to come and the further into it we get the harder it gets physically.
Stratmangler
18-02-2014, 22:06
Ah well!
You were correct about the controversy, Marco.
The foul (not given) against Navas led to the foul on Messi outside the box, which was a sending off, but in no way was it a penalty.
I feel we were a little hard done to, but defiant in the the face of a numerically superior Barcelona, and they nearly paid the price for being complacent about their numerical advantage.
Their second goal was, however, superbly taken by Alves.
So we're beaten in this battle - the fixture is not dead and buried, and there's everything to play for at The Nou Camp.
Watch this space!
Yeah, I got the '2' bit right for Barca - just not the '3' bit for City! :doh:
I thought you were unlucky, as up until the penalty, City had the better chances and looked more of a threat in front of goal.
I agree that it wasn't a penalty, but it was a difficult one for the referee to call correctly, as from where he was it'd have looked a stone-waller. I thought that you did really well with 10 men against them for most of the second half, but something had to give eventually!
You're still in with a chance, mate, but it'll be *very* difficult as they are awesome on their own patch. If you can get an early goal over there, and put them under pressure, then who knows...?
Marco.
Stratmangler
18-02-2014, 22:44
I agree that it wasn't a penalty, but it was a difficult one for the referee to call correctly, as from where he was it'd have looked a stone-waller
... which is why there are linesmen.
The ref didn't get any help from the linesman on that decision.
We're beaten but unbowed, so, as I said earlier, watch this space.
We can turn it around on the away leg, and we've got nothing to lose in trying.
In between now and then we've got a league game, a Wembley final, and an FA cup tie to play in.
Roll on the return leg in Barcelona!!!
Lol - I admire your enthusiasm! If I were a City supporter, I'd probably feel the same way, especially with the goal threat your team carry... It'd be great if you did get through, so fingers crossed on that one :)
As for the other important ties - hey, as they say, it's tough at the top! ;)
Marco.
Stratmangler
18-02-2014, 23:13
Well I know one player who won't be boarding the 'plane to Spain.
If we can get the team through the next couple of weeks without any injuries we might just be in a position to properly hurt Barcelona at home.
Sergio should hopefully be back and making an appearance against Stoke on Saturday, and if we can keep him and a number of others fit for then there's every chance we can win the away leg and the tie.
I agree with you, it's tough at the top, and like a fan of the invisible man we're not really here ;)
Great result for the Canaries today - might have saved Hughton's bacon (although I'm not baying for blood...) - we now need to make the most of the next 7 games...
Villa
Stoke
Southampton
Sunderland
Swansea
West Brom
Fulham...
...'cos I don't reckon we'll get much from the last 3 games on the run in...
Man U
Chelsea
Arsenal
Stratmangler
23-02-2014, 21:26
Great result for the Canaries today - might have saved Hughton's bacon (although I'm not baying for blood...) - we now need to make the most of the next 7 games...
Villa
Stoke
Southampton
Sunderland
Swansea
West Brom
Fulham...
...'cos I don't reckon we'll get much from the last 3 games on the run in...
Man U
Chelsea
Arsenal
Yes, it was a decent result for you today.
And your run in is not the easiest.
Our game yesterday was not the most inspiring - we had a dose of the post lost match blues, and coupled with an opposition that had no ambitions beyond defending for a 0-0 draw it made for a rather tedious match.
Touré's goal was a superbly taken one, with the big man having to adjust his step to contact the ball and going over in the process.
Dzeko left a nice dint in the goalpost after kicking it in frustration after missing what should have been the easiest of tap ins :doh:
Ah well, Wembley to look forward to next Sunday, not that I'll be there - I'm travelling back and forth to the fridge for beer for that game :cool:
Old George
24-02-2014, 20:18
...'cos I don't reckon we'll get much from the last 3 games on the run in...
Man U
Chelsea
Arsenal
You pessimist! We have a special offer on this season, just drive past Old Trafford and we'll give you three points.....;):D
You pessimist! We have a special offer on this season, just drive past Old Trafford and we'll give you three points.....;):D
:lol: Look forward to them!
Stratmangler
02-03-2014, 16:41
I'm really pleased with this afternoon's result against Sunderland.
Sunderland were very strong opposition - they can hold their heads high, 'cos they pinned us back for the first half.
One down, three to go, and I'm still dreaming.
Wigan next week (going to the game), and Barcelona the following Tuesday at the Camp Nou (we can win 3-0 or 4-1, whatever it takes).
We are are not, we're not really here,
We are are not, we're not really here,
And like the fans of the invisible man
We're not really here, :cool:
Old George
03-03-2014, 11:13
I'm really pleased with this afternoon's result against Sunderland.
Sunderland were very strong opposition - they can hold their heads high, 'cos they pinned us back for the first half.
One down, three to go, and I'm still dreaming.
Wigan next week (going to the game), and Barcelona the following Tuesday at the Camp Nou (we can win 3-0 or 4-1, whatever it takes).
We are are not, we're not really here,
We are are not, we're not really here,
And like the fans of the invisible man
We're not really here, :cool:
Beat Barcelona and your name is on the cup.
Reminds me of when we played Juventus in '99. 1-1 at Old Trafford so they had the away goal advantage, then we went 2-0 in the first 10 minutes in the away leg.
But we bounced back and won 3-2 against a side 'unbeatable' on their own ground.....The rest is history.
chris@panteg
09-03-2014, 10:24
Mourinho mind games again, crafty sod!
City have got 3 games in hand and are 9 points behind, Jose would rather be their position??
Yeah right lol.
Stratmangler
09-03-2014, 10:50
Mourinho mind games again, crafty sod!
City have got 3 games in hand and are 9 points behind, Jose would rather be their position??
Yeah right lol.
Still in the running for 3 competitions you mean? :eyebrows:
Nine points with three in hand still have to be won, so in that respect he has the advantage.
And the lack of games for Chelsea does give a slight advantage in terms of player fatigue.
Arsenal played well yesterday - I wonder who you'll play in the semi-final.
Today's game will be interesting for us - City Legend Uwe Rosler brings a team to play at The Etihad for the first time. Uwe may well be a Club Legend but the gloves are off today.
chris@panteg
09-03-2014, 13:53
Still in the running for 3 competitions you mean? :eyebrows:
Nine points with three in hand still have to be won, so in that respect he has the advantage.
And the lack of games for Chelsea does give a slight advantage in terms of player fatigue.
Arsenal played well yesterday - I wonder who you'll play in the semi-final.
Today's game will be interesting for us - City Legend Uwe Rosler brings a team to play at The Etihad for the first time. Uwe may well be a Club Legend but the gloves are off today.
Anyone but city lol , I expect you to win today Chris
chris@panteg
09-03-2014, 18:22
Blimey, stunning win for Wigan, quite a shock result.
Face Arsenal in the semi.
Deserved to.
Frustrated city 1st half.
wow never see that one coming.
hats off to wigan. can they do it again v arsenal?
chris@panteg
09-03-2014, 18:58
wow never see that one coming.
hats off to wigan. can they do it again v arsenal?
No :)
Well I hope not.
Stratmangler
09-03-2014, 20:33
No :)
Well I hope not.
Wigan are all fired up for another bite of FA Cup pie.
Wenger had better get his team selection right, 'cos if he doesn't Rosler's men will do them over too.
They're fast becoming your bogey team, Chris!
Changing the subject back to the league for the moment, I wonder what odds you'd get now on Liverpool winning the title? :hmm:
Could be a nice wee outside punt!
Marco.
chris@panteg
09-03-2014, 21:12
Wigan are all fired up for another bite of FA Cup pie.
Wenger had better get his team selection right, 'cos if he doesn't Rosler's men will do them over too.
Wenger's men will take em Chris, I'm staking my reputation on it.... Erm :scratch:
Stratmangler
09-03-2014, 21:33
They're fast becoming your bogey team, Chris!
Changing the subject back to the league for the moment, I wonder what odds you'd get now on Liverpool winning the title? :hmm:
Could be a nice wee outside punt!
Marco.
Liverpool for the title is currently 11/2 - I've just checked.
Wigan aren't our bogey team - their relatively new manager has been putting them through the numbers, raising their fitness levels and discipline levels in the process.
I thought that Rosler would turn up with a competitive side, and he did.
If they play against Arsenal with the same commitment and organisation then it wouldn't surprise me to see them in the final.
Liverpool for the title is currently 11/2 - I've just checked.
Cheers... That's got to be worth a punt. Might drop a ton on that, just for the hell of it :)
Marco.
Next weekend game will tell us a lot about how serious Liverpool title hopes I see it being a draw but if Liverpool win I think they push both City and Chelsea close
Its all over boys, another Mourinho masterclass.
Stratmangler
14-03-2014, 20:51
Its all over boys, another Mourinho masterclass.
It will be in 12 game's time.
Then we'll see if it has been a masterclass.
good weekend for city so far.
cant call the 2 games tomorrow. form books go out of the window for these games.
i would be happy with a point
Stratmangler
15-03-2014, 19:48
Excellent result for us, especially considering the sending off.
Had a bet on Liverpool last month and feel they have a good chance to win it.
City should do it but who knows.
Well done villa.
1-0 the Villa - get in there!! :yay:
Marco.
P.S Chris, you'll miss Kompany's influence in the next few games....
He is only out against fulham.
I thought it was a two match ban for a red card? Not to worry... :)
How significant do you think that loss today will be, Stu? I suspect that it could be very significant.
Marco.
Stratmangler
15-03-2014, 19:56
1-0 the Villa - get in there!! :yay:
Marco.
P.S Chris, you'll miss Kompany's influence in the next few games....
That's a result in our favour for sure :yay:
Vinnie misses next week's game against Fulham as far as I know, nothing more :yay::yay:
I thought it was a two match ban for a red card? Not to worry... :)
How significant do you think that loss today will be, Stu? I suspect that it could be very significant.
Marco.
Quite big.
Chelsea have not played that well all season except for a handful of games.Being top flatters them imo.
We have done well without strikers pulling there weight but this needs to be sorted in the summer.
Both city & Liverpool have the title in there grasp as they have to play each other.
City just have the advantage i'd say as they have been here before 2 seasons ago where Liverpool may find the pressure to much.
However it pans out it is going to be a very exciting climax.
Tomorrows games are very important for Arse & Pool.Spurs & Utd will both love to put a dent in there title hopes.
The last thing utd want is Liverpool winning the title
Old George
16-03-2014, 12:19
The last thing utd want is Liverpool winning the title
WRONG mate, the last thing we want is City winning the title.
Stratmangler
16-03-2014, 12:21
WRONG mate, the last thing we want is City winning the title.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :ner:
WRONG mate, the last thing we want is City winning the title.
Yes,guess it's not an easy choice.
Stratmangler
16-03-2014, 12:31
I'm looking forward to todays Rags v Reds match.
I'm in a bit of a quandry as to who I want to win.
As a City supporter I traditionally support two teams, Manchester City, and any team that's playing Manyoo.
Today, it would suit me for The Rags to beat Liverpool.
Life's full of difficult decisions :hmm:
I have two wishes today: a Liverpool win against Man Yoo, and an Inverness Caley win in the Scottish League Cup final. Sadly, I think that I'll realise neither, as I predict a draw in the former, and an Aberdeen win in the cup.....
Marco.
P.S Oh, and I'd also quite like to see Arsenal beat Spurs, which I think will happen.
chris@panteg
16-03-2014, 13:54
Should be a cracking game, bitter rivals for sure.
I have two wishes today: a Liverpool win against Man Yoo, and an Inverness Caley win in the Scottish League Cup final. Sadly, I think that I'll realise neither, as I predict a draw in the former...
Well, I got that one badly wrong.... THANK FUCK!!! Ya DANCER!!!! :yay: :yay: :yay:
We might not have to wait until next year to win the title after all.... ;)
Marco.
Stratmangler
16-03-2014, 15:35
We might not have to wait until next year to win the title after all.... ;)
Maybe not, but don't get carried away.
Liverpool have to play City and Arsenal yet.
We're at The Swamp on Tuesday week - looking forward to that one :eyebrows:
PS - I loved the banner in amongst the Liverpool supporters "DAVID MOYES, FOOTBALLING GENIUS".
I laughed so much I almost wet myself....
But did you see the few seconds shot of Alex with a fixed and gloomy look on his face? He wasn't enjoying what he was seeing and as he was in major part responsible for appointing his successor, how much longer will it be before he accepts that that was one decision he got wrong. He was fairly ruthless making necessary changes when they were needed on the field (think of the key star players he got rid of for one reason or another) and I suspect we may see a manager join that high profile exit list.
They can afford to pay any manager in the world so why settle for someone with no real track record of success? - his main claim was holding mid table positions with limited resources, not the sort of experience ManU would be hoping to replicate IMO.
Dave.
Yup, and the Arse also win... Today's results keeps things ticking along nicely, in terms of my title winning prediction (Arsenal) and who I'd actually like to see winning it (Liverpool)! ;)
Anyway, I got two predictions out of three right today (Arsenal and Aberdeen wins), so not too bad :)
The other one I'm really glad I got wrong! :eyebrows:
Marco.
I'd be surprised but very happy if The Gunners won the league this year but I'm not sure we really deserve to, I'm beginning to think Wengers best years are behind him... :eyebrows:
chris@panteg
16-03-2014, 19:03
I can't see Arsenal winning it, think Liverpool could nick it you know? It's city's to lose really
Yes, the pressure's on them now to win their games in hand... I'm expecting a few more dropped points by the top 4 and plenty more twists and turns yet before the winner is revealed! ;)
Marco.
Yes a great season I still have City as the most likely but its very open
Now city are out of the cups i'd make them favourites....just.
The Liverpool v city & Liverpool v chels games could decide it.
Cities last game at Everton will not be an easy one.
Stratmangler
16-03-2014, 22:36
Now city are out of the cups i'd make them favourites....just.
The Liverpool v city & Liverpool v chels games could decide it.
Cities last away game at Everton will not be an easy one.
We've got 5 away games before the end of the season, and I reckon they'll all be tough ones.
Our last game this season is at home, and we're playing West Ham.
chris@panteg
16-03-2014, 22:47
Just watched the highlights, Liverpool worthy winners today!! Sturridge diving was dreadful though.
Stratmangler
16-03-2014, 22:50
Just watched the highlights, Liverpool worthy winners today!! Sturridge diving was dreadful though.
Which challenge?
There was one late on in the game where there should have been another penalty, and that was ignored by Clottenburg.
We've got 5 away games before the end of the season, and I reckon they'll all be tough ones.
Our last game this season is at home, and we're playing West Ham.
Yes the Everton one is the week before.
Stratmangler
16-03-2014, 23:03
Yes the Everton one is the week before.
I was thinking 2 weeks, but the fixture in between is a midweek one.
chris@panteg
16-03-2014, 23:40
Which challenge?
There was one late on in the game where there should have been another penalty, and that was ignored by Clottenburg.
Gerrard's 3rd penalty, ironic that the later one wasn't given.
Stratmangler
17-03-2014, 00:00
Gerrard's 3rd penalty, ironic that the later one wasn't given.
Ah, I didn't see that one.
I did see the penalty being taken, and couldn't believe Gerrard missed :doh:
I was not following the game that closely - the TV was on in the background, and I was doing other things.
I did see that The Rags have barely improved since last we met, but that's just an overall impression.
I can see that the big banana skins we might tread on are the games at The Emirates, Anfield and Goodison Park.
Thought OT could have been a banana skin but after there display today i can see city winning there 5 or 6-0.
Stratmangler
17-03-2014, 00:35
Thought OT could have been a banana skin but after there display today i can see city winning there 5 or 6-0.
Today's display fills me with confidence.
How long d'ya reckon until Moyes is sent packing?
He has more or less the same team as won the title last season, the only real difference being the man at the top.
Soon as the season is over i would have thought.
I could see it brought forward if they go out the CL on Wed and city turn them over by a big score though.
Old George
17-03-2014, 00:59
Today's display fills me with confidence.
How long d'ya reckon until Moyes is sent packing?
He has more or less the same team as won the title last season, the only real difference being the man at the top.
Moyes was a shock appointment, he's a decent bloke but totally out of his depth at a club like United.
Big clubs need big names as far as managers and players go, we need a new squad and manager. None of the 'big' managers are available at this stage of the season, so one possibility is Fergie as caretaker whilst we find a replacement for Moyes. With Moyes at the helm we will get hammered by City, 5 or 6 goal margin well within their capability.
Stratmangler
17-03-2014, 05:28
so one possibility is Fergie as caretaker whilst we find a replacement for Moyes. With Moyes at the helm we will get hammered by City, 5 or 6 goal margin well within their capability.
I can't see Taggart settling back into the hot seat, and even he couldn't stop the last league hammering you had :eyebrows:
chris@panteg
17-03-2014, 06:35
Moyes look completely lost at the end of the game, it's a broken team! He could go at any time I suspect?
Stratmangler
17-03-2014, 06:40
Moyes look completely lost at the end of the game, it's a broken team! He could go at any time I suspect?
I wouldn't be surprised to hear an announcement today.
It's unlikely, but it wouldn't be a surprise.
chris@panteg
17-03-2014, 06:51
I wouldn't be surprised to hear an announcement today.
It's unlikely, but it wouldn't be a surprise.
Yes, and if not a bad night against Olympiakos could be the last straw?
I think Utd are stubborn so will not consider getting rid of him till next season. You can see he feels the pressure. He is a decent person but perhaps not the right man for Utd
There's no doubt that Moyes is not a happy man, and is under severe pressure, or that his 'team' currently looks nothing remotely like one - and there are many reasons for that. However, rest assured that Utd will not panic, and so will remain focussed on supporting Moyes, in the medium term. I honestly feel that he will come good in the end.
As far as yesterday's game goes, I think that Liverpool would've beaten most teams the way they played. They're having a lot of fun at the moment, and it shows. Quite simply, they were awesome yesterday, in terms of their cutting edge, pace and power, and sheer ruthlessness in front of goal, excusing Gerrard's pathetic penalty miss! :doh: :eyebrows:
In my opinion, Liverpool are now more dangerous than ever, as a result of how their confidence has grown because of the results they've achieved, and particularly now as they go all-out to try and win the title, relaxed with essentially 'nothing to lose', insofar as no-one would've predicted them to be in that position now. The real pressure to win the title is very much on Chelsea and Man City!
I've said before that Moyes will at Utd for the long haul, as he is seen as being Feguson's protégé, and I stand by that. In terms of the future of Moyes, do not underestimate the influence behind the scenes of Sir Alex Ferguson, as he has plans for the boy. I suspect that this season would've been secretly 'written off' by Man Utd as being a transitional period for the team and manager, and so anything, bar relegation, would've kept Moyes in a job for the first year.
Indeed, in that respect, need I remind anyone of Alex Ferguson's less than auspicious start when he was first appointed as manager....?
No, I'm confident that Moyes will be at the helm there next season (*unless* the team truly falls apart between now and the end of the season) and that is when the results he achieves will be truly judged. In terms of this season, if they can finish in the top six in the league, you can bet your boots that Moyes will be given a chance to prove himself next year.
I can't see Taggart settling back into the hot seat, and even he couldn't stop the last league hammering you had :eyebrows:
Lol! :D
More seriously, though... Say that City don't win the title this year, then what kind of season, realistically, will they have had? Are they still in the FA Cup (I haven't checked)? If they don't win the title this year, then coupled with last year's trophy-less effort, I'd say that would be a pretty poor show, and nothing to gloat about...
If City, given the many MIILIONS of pounds they've spent on players consider 'success' as equating to being runners up in the league (or perhaps worse), merely reaching the last 16 in the Champion's League, and the odd cup win, then I'm afraid that they're a pale shadow of what Utd were when they were at their best, and so in that respect they've got a LONG way to go before emulating them!!
'Success', with the type of aspirations Man City now have, and the vast sums of money they've spent chasing that success, means doing what Utd did, in terms of winning league titles, year after year, winning the Champion's League and regularly getting to quarter finals, semi finals and the finals of the competition, as well domestic cup wins, contributing to winning doubles and trebles.
When, or if, City ever achieve that type of success, matey boy, then as a supporter, you'll have earned the right to be smug...... :exactly:
Sorry to have been blunt, Chris, but I thought that a dose of realism needed to be injected into proceedings, before you got too carried away with how good Man City *actually* are! ;)
Marco.
A lack of consistency sums up City perfectly, they are capable of bouts of pure brilliance but then their defence gets bored and goes on holiday for a few games. When City are on form though they are a joy to watch (unless they are playing Arsenal of course :lol:)
Darren Ferguson is doing good things at Peterborough just now, maybe him stepping into his old mans shoes at Man United might be just the ticket for both him and the club...
Audioman
17-03-2014, 11:42
City have to win the league given their expenditure. They were knocked out of the cup by Wigan (at home) as well as failing in Europe (no surprise given the opposition). Pressure is on but they managed to beat Hull with 10 men when I expected them to fold. Also Chelsea losing helped which may prove Mourinho playing down their chances correct. Maybe he is more realistic rather than a bluffer given they are lacking a top in form striker. Agree no way Moyes will be sacked. Too many players over the hill and due for replacement as well as Van Percy off form. Liverpool now looking slight favourites and no pressure as they are perceived as over achievers. Hope Gerrard got his penalty miss out of the way with World Cup coming up! Arsenal can't be ruled out in spite of injuries to key players - capable of winning all their games without playing well.
Old George
17-03-2014, 14:48
I can't see Taggart settling back into the hot seat, and even he couldn't stop the last league hammering you had :eyebrows:
I can. It's may be unlikely he'll be offered the role, but as a short term position he'd jump at it. We'll never know what would have happened if Fergie had been in charge yesterday, but even a over the hill Fergie would have done a better job than Moyes.
Old George
17-03-2014, 15:04
There's no doubt that Moyes is not a happy man, and is under severe pressure, or that his 'team' currently looks nothing remotely like one - and there are many reasons for that. However, rest assured that Utd will not panic, and so will remain focussed on supporting Moyes, in the medium term. I honestly feel that he will come good in the end.
As far as yesterday's game goes, I think that Liverpool would've beaten most teams the way they played. They're having a lot of fun at the moment, and it shows. Quite simply, they were awesome yesterday, in terms of their cutting edge, pace and power, and sheer ruthlessness in front of goal, excusing Gerrard's pathetic penalty miss! :doh: :eyebrows:
In my opinion, Liverpool are now more dangerous than ever, as a result of how their confidence has grown because of the results they've achieved, and particularly now as they go all-out to try and win the title, relaxed with essentially 'nothing to lose', insofar as no-one would've predicted them to be in that position now. The real pressure to win the title is very much on Chelsea and Man City!
I've said before that Moyes will at Utd for the long haul, as he is seen as being Feguson's protégé, and I stand by that. In terms of the future of Moyes, do not underestimate the influence behind the scenes of Sir Alex Ferguson, as he has plans for the boy. I suspect that this season would've been secretly 'written off' by Man Utd as being a transitional period for the team and manager, and so anything, bar relegation, would've kept Moyes in a job for the first year.
Indeed, in that respect, need I remind anyone of Alex Ferguson's less than auspicious start when he was first appointed as manager....?
No, I'm confident that Moyes will be at the helm there next season (*unless* the team truly falls apart between now and the end of the season) and that is when the results he achieves will be truly judged. In terms of this season, if they can finish in the top six in the league, you can bet your boots that Moyes will be given a chance to prove himself next year.
Lol! :D
More seriously, though... Say that City don't win the title this year, then what kind of season, realistically, will they have had? Are they still in the FA Cup (I haven't checked)? If they don't win the title this year, then coupled with last year's trophy-less effort, I'd say that would be a pretty poor show, and nothing to gloat about...
If City, given the many MIILIONS of pounds they've spent on players consider 'success' as equating to being runners up in the league (or perhaps worse), merely reaching the last 16 in the Champion's League, and the odd cup win, then I'm afraid that they're a pale shadow of what Utd were when they were at their best, and so in that respect they've got a LONG way to go before emulating them!!
'Success', with the type of aspirations Man City now have, and the vast sums of money they've spent chasing that success, means doing what Utd did, in terms of winning league titles, year after year, winning the Champion's League and regularly getting to quarter finals, semi finals and the finals of the competition, as well domestic cup wins, contributing to winning doubles and trebles.
When, or if, City ever achieve that type of success, matey boy, then as a supporter, you'll have earned the right to be smug...... :exactly:
Sorry to have been blunt, Chris, but I thought that a dose of realism needed to be injected into proceedings, before you got too carried away with how good Man City *actually* are! ;)
Marco.
Fergie came to Old Trafford with an excellent CV, he broke the monopoly in Scotland and won European silverware. Your right in saying he didn't have the best of starts but he was building up a terrific youth team, and the more clued up (football wise) directors at OT realised that, the money grabbing element only looked at the league results.
Moyes on the other hand, despite being a decent bloke has bugger-all on his CV apart from keeping Everton in a respectable league position. He leaves Everton and they immediately improve, the only time Moyes will win a European trophy is on his playstation!
Fergie has some influence with the Glazers, but they are hard-nosed businessmen not football men. Share values have dropped significantly and attendances are down, they will not tolerate that indefinitely. Last season no one outside the premiership had heard of Moyes, now he is known for all the wrong reasons. This could have a negative impact in the transfer window, there are plenty of players who would love to join United.....but with Moyes as manager?
He may or may not limp to the end of the season with the club, but he just hasn't got what it takes to manage a big club, he would be fine with the likes of Swansea/Cardiff/WBA, ect but he can't hack it at Old Trafford.
Audioman
17-03-2014, 15:22
Fergie came to Old Trafford with an excellent CV, he broke the monopoly in Scotland and won European silverware. Your right in saying he didn't have the best of starts but he was building up a terrific youth team, and the more clued up (football wise) directors at OT realised that, the money grabbing element only looked at the league results.
Moyes on the other hand, despite being a decent bloke has bugger-all on his CV apart from keeping Everton in a respectable league position. He leaves Everton and they immediately improve, the only time Moyes will win a European trophy is on his playstation!
Fergie has some influence with the Glazers, but they are hard-nosed businessmen not football men. Share values have dropped significantly and attendances are down, they will not tolerate that indefinitely. Last season no one outside the premiership had heard of Moyes, now he is known for all the wrong reasons. This could have a negative impact in the transfer window, there are plenty of players who would love to join United.....but with Moyes as manager?
He may or may not limp to the end of the season with the club, but he just hasn't got what it takes to manage a big club, he would be fine with the likes of Swansea/Cardiff/WBA, ect but he can't hack it at Old Trafford.
It is worth pointing out that Brendan Rogers didn't make a big impact last season but team has now jelled. Takes about 18 months if the Manager is actually any good. There will be a summer buying spree at Man U so Moyes will get a chance with his own team next season. He probably has to Xmas for things to improve. Other Clubs have brought in top foreign coaches and still not had the desired result. In Moyes' favour there is no obvious replacement available.
Everyone expected the transition to be hard and i don't think coming in the position they are now would be a big problem.
What is a problem is the way they are playing and with any lack of direction or tactics.The players look bemused and baffled and moyes is out of his depth.
Fellani was a knee jerk buy and he has made mata a world class player look average.
Mayes is not a progressive manager and all he has done is made utd into worse team than the one he just left.
Not sure how Fergie can support him for much longer as his own legacy looks bad the longer this allowed to continue.
Pssst. I overheard what DM said in the locker room:
'Ok boys, bend over, looks like we are going to have to take it dry.'
Old George
17-03-2014, 21:35
What is a problem is the way they are playing and with any lack of direction or tactics.The players look bemused and baffled and moyes is out of his depth.
Fellani was a knee jerk buy and he has made mata a world class player look average.
Mayes is not a progressive manager and all he has done is made utd into worse team than the one he just left.
Not sure how Fergie can support him for much longer as his own legacy looks bad the longer this allowed to continue.
Got it in one Sir.
A good manager may take a season or two to get things running well, we seem to be going backward. after a stumbling start stability and confidence should be forming by now, it isn't. On Wednesday we are playing a Greek team that would have a hard life in the Championship, we made them look like Barcelona last time we played them. I expect more embarrassment on the night.
Mata is still settling in at OT yet Moyes played him out of position and he was ineffective, Mata looked unhappy because he was unhappy. The expression of disbelief and frustration on both Fergusons and Woodwards faces said it all for me, either Moyes hits unexpected form between now and the end of the season or he has to go, it's really is that simple.
And your bang on the money concerning Fellaini, a knee-jerk reaction that became a farce, and Woodward must shoulder the blame for that.
Stratmangler
18-03-2014, 21:28
When, or if, City ever achieve that type of success, matey boy, then as a supporter, you'll have earned the right to be smug......
Sorry to have been blunt, Chris, but I thought that a dose of realism needed to be injected into proceedings, before you got too carried away with how good Man City *actually* are!
I'm not smug, and I'm not getting carried away either.
I was at the Wigan game, and fully acknowledge how well Wigan played.
Comments about the many millions spent on the team have frankly become quite tedious - I know of another team quite nearby that has recently agreed a deal with a still firmly in contract player, whereby he's getting £34000 a day.
They also paid well over the odds recently for another player to then play him completely out of position when he actually gets on the field.
The same team is not going to get Champions League football next season unless they actually win the Champions League, which is looking very unlikely.
The revenue loss will hit them very hard.
The club's effective owners are already displeased with the large drop in share value because of the lack of success on the field.
I think the current manager may well have 2 games to win or be pushed.
He already has the air of "Dead Man Walking" about him, I think there will be an announcement next Wednesday, following the Manchester Derby.
Old George
18-03-2014, 23:29
I'm not smug, and I'm not getting carried away either.
I was at the Wigan game, and fully acknowledge how well Wigan played.
Comments about the many millions spent on the team have frankly become quite tedious - I know of another team quite nearby that has recently agreed a deal with a still firmly in contract player, whereby he's getting £34000 a day.
They also paid well over the odds recently for another player to then play him completely out of position when he actually gets on the field.
The same team is not going to get Champions League football next season unless they actually win the Champions League, which is looking very unlikely.
The revenue loss will hit them very hard.
The club's effective owners are already displeased with the large drop in share value because of the lack of success on the field.
I think the current manager may well have 2 games to win or be pushed.
He already has the air of "Dead Man Walking" about him, I think there will be an announcement next Wednesday, following the Manchester Derby.
Don't worry about us giving a player a pay rise, but if you want to know how much it has cost 'Sheikh Rattle and Role' to win silverware since 2008?
Man City net spend = £509.6 million. Compared to us 'paupers' across town only spending £80.45million (net) in the same period.
Think utd may need need to spend nearly £200 mill to get back on top george.
Stratmangler
19-03-2014, 00:10
Don't worry about us giving a player a pay rise, but if you want to know how much it has cost 'Sheikh Rattle and Role' to win silverware since 2008?
Man City net spend = £509.6 million. Compared to us 'paupers' across town only spending £80.45million (net) in the same period.
And your point is?
The values have increased considerably in recent years, but professional football has spent big on the transfer markets over the last 20-30 years, as your team's transfer record also shows.
The Sheikh has invested an enormous amount of money into the Academy infrastructure too, as you'll be aware if you've driven through the area lately.
The determination to succeed on a National, European and International level is immense, and the new academy complex is a massive statement of that intent.
It's a fantastic time to be a City supporter.
I can imagine it's an interesting time to be a United supporter too ;)
I'm not smug, and I'm not getting carried away either.
LOL... Perhaps in your opinion, daftee! However, it certainly didn't look that way when you were putting the boot into Moyes ;)
Call me touchy, and I know how much you hate Man Utd, but I find it a little distasteful and unsavoury kicking a man when he's down. Like I've said before, perhaps it’s just me - I just don't get the whole 'hatred' thing in football, where its almost taken as a given that one has to detest one's rivals from the same town or city. For me, it's just a game of football (sport). I simply don't sign up to the whole ridiculous (almost tribal/neanderthal) rivalry amongst football fans.
As a lifelong, diehard, Glasgow Celtic supporter (my other team is Liverpool), born and brought up in Glasgow, I don't 'hate' Rangers, and neither did I gloat when they went bust and were relegated to the bottom division, so I just don't understand why Man City fans would 'hate' Utd, or vice versa, or why Mancs would 'hate' Scousers, or any other of those types of nonsensical (to me) social or football rivalries.
I just don't get that type of bitter rivalry, so for me, it's all trivial and unfathomable bullshite... It makes about as much sense to me, and is almost as pathetic and detestable, as the religious sectarianism in football I had to endure during my upbringing in Glasgow.
Marco.
P.S George, I'll get to your posts later!
Old George
19-03-2014, 09:44
Think utd may need need to spend nearly £200 mill to get back on top george.
Very easily Stu, if not more. If Moyes rides the storm and has a job next season then i guess he'll spend £150 mill +. If he fails and gets the chop later in the season then the new manager will want to add players.
Word on the grapevine is Moyes has three games to save his job, and with the City derby on the horizon it seems like a grim task.
Old George
19-03-2014, 10:00
And your point is?
I'm simple highlighting the fact that if you throw enough money at a team you can buy silverware, more so when that money comes from a rich 'sugar daddy'.
I'm not jealous BTW, just envious. Instead of the natural development that a successful club goes through, i.e. success = increased gates and revenue over a number of seasons.
Instead the system is short circuited and vast quantities of cash pumped in from day one of take over.
But a lot of City fans who i know conveniently forget City's situation prior to Sheikh rattle and roles arrival, and act as if City have been a long established football power.
Talking to some of the more level headed City fans they are concerned about the bubble bursting, what if the rich Arabs lose interest in City at some point? Has Sheikh rattle and role got some emotional ties to City? Did he come from the Moss side slums and support them as a child? Did he have a life-long dream of playing for them?
Yes i agree with you this is a great time to be a City fan, enjoy it while it lasts, and if they should start to slide i dare say the 'supporters' will switch back to Chelsea...:D
I'm simple highlighting the fact that if you throw enough money at a team you can buy silverware, more so when that money comes from a rich 'sugar daddy'.
I'm not jealous BTW, just envious. Instead of the natural development that a successful club goes through, i.e. success = increased gates and revenue over a number of seasons.
But a lot of City fans who i know conveniently forget City's situation prior to Sheikh rattle and roles arrival, and act as if City have been a long established football power.
Talking to some of the more level headed City fans they are concerned about the bubble bursting, what if the rich Arabs lose interest in City at some point? Has Sheikh rattle and role got some emotional ties to City? Did he come from the Moss side slums and support them as a child? Did he have a life-long dream of playing for them?
Yes i agree with you this is a great time to be a City fan, enjoy it while it lasts, and if they should start to slide i dare say the 'supporters' will switch back to Chelsea...:D
I'd say Chelsea could be in an even more vulnerable position just now what with the current unrest in Crimea affecting relations between the West and Russia. If things do go belly-up Mr Abramovich may find himself an unwitting victim of diplomatic in-fighting... :eyebrows:
Some good points there, George! This, in particular, hits the nail on the head:
But a lot of City fans who i know conveniently forget City's situation prior to Sheikh rattle and roles arrival, and act as if City have been a long established football power.
<COUGH>
;)
It's the smug 'superiority' and strutting about, exhibited by some City fans, that gets me, simply because they're doing quite well at the moment, even though they haven't won much yet!!
There are only two teams in England who can consider themselves as being "a long established football power", based purely on their football achievements to date, and that's Man Utd and Liverpool! [At a push, you could also sneak Arsenal in there].
Man City, in that respect, are distinctly second division (sorry, Chris)! :eyebrows:
Marco.
chris@panteg
19-03-2014, 10:56
Some good points there, George! This, in particular, hits the nail on the head:
<COUGH>
;)
It's the smug 'superiority' and strutting about, exhibited by some City fans, that gets me, simply because they're doing quite well at the moment, even though they haven't won much yet!!
There are only two teams in England who can consider themselves as being "a long established football power", based purely on their football achievements to date, and that's Man Utd and Liverpool! [At a push, you could also sneak Arsenal in there].
Man City, in that respect, are distinctly second division! :eyebrows:
Marco.
I'm your friend for life:)
Well that would be a push , until Arsenal win the CL then maybe , its been a decent season though ,I'd be very happy with the FA cup ,fingers crossed .
Lol... You might get the title yet, too - you never know. As Paul (Audioman) astutely pointed out earlier, Arsenal are the most consistent team in the league, and so are well capable of winning matches without playing well, whilst others around them drop unexpected points... ;)
In terms of Arsenal's position as a long-established football power, I think they've earned that status, just behind the 'big two', simply because they've performed consistently at a high level and won five league titles and two FA Cups. Let's also not forget how dominant they were in England in the 90s and early 2000s, during the 'Thierry Henry/Bergcamp years', or the fact that they reached the Champions League Final in 2006...
For me, all of that, not to mention their huge worldwide fanbase, qualifies them as being England's third biggest (and most successful) team :)
Take City's current spending power away, and Celtic are a more established football power than they are - at least we've won the European Cup, with a team full of Scottish daftees, not to mention reaching the UEFA cup final in 2003, narrowly losing out to Mourinho's Porto side, (and we play in front of 65,000 fans at almost every home game)!! :D
Marco.
Oh, and I forgot to say...
Talking to some of the more level headed City fans they are concerned about the bubble bursting, what if the rich Arabs lose interest in City at some point?
Indeed... Look what happened to Blackburn Rovers!! :eek: ;)
Marco.
Old George
19-03-2014, 11:54
I'd say Chelsea could be in an even more vulnerable position just now what with the current unrest in Crimea affecting relations between the West and Russia. If things do go belly-up Mr Abramovich may find himself an unwitting victim of diplomatic in-fighting... :eyebrows:
Fair comment Dave. As i keep saying about United, don't rule us out of Europe just yet.......The squad will be there if a war breaks out!:lol:
Old George
19-03-2014, 12:06
Some good points there, George! This, in particular, hits the nail on the head:
<COUGH>
;)
It's the smug 'superiority' and strutting about, exhibited by some City fans, that gets me, simply because they're doing quite well at the moment, even though they haven't won much yet!!
There are only two teams in England who can consider themselves as being "a long established football power", based purely on their football achievements to date, and that's Man Utd and Liverpool! [At a push, you could also sneak Arsenal in there].
Man City, in that respect, are distinctly second division (sorry, Chris)! :eyebrows:
Marco.
Agreed Marco. I talk to some down to earth City fans and they are over the moon at City's success, and they are very honest is stating why the club has been so successful in recent years.
Fair comment about Blackburn, they had the good fortune of having the late Jack Walker as chairman. A true soccer fan and wealthy to boot.
Sadly United have been in the grip of two business dynasties over the past 50 plus years who are more interested in a balance sheet than football.:(
Imagine if a football crazy billionaire oil baron took over at either Old Trafford,Anfield,or the Emirates? Having said that, what could be achieved if one of these oil barons took control of Stockport County or Tranmere Rovers?
Indeed, although I'm not sure that the required infrastructure exists at those clubs to turn them into genuinely 'big-time players', in terms of their world status as football clubs, anytime soon...
The Blackburn Rovers analogy is indeed pertinent. Like you say, what happens if Abdul Sheikh Ma Chamois, or whatever he's called, gets bored and takes his money elsewhere?
Remove the glory hunters, who like you say would quickly defect to Chelsea, should Man City lose their spending power, and I don't believe that they have a large enough loyal fanbase to sustain them long-term as a genuinely big club.
In that scenario, they would soon return to being little more than a mediocre mid-table side in the Premiership.
Marco.
chris@panteg
19-03-2014, 12:40
Turning to tonight's game ,its crucial that utd at least put in a good performance ,otherwise I just feel the humiliation might be too much ! Not just the fans but the board also ?
Old George
19-03-2014, 13:11
Turning to tonight's game ,its crucial that utd at least put in a good performance ,otherwise I just feel the humiliation might be too much ! Not just the fans but the board also ?
Quite so Chris, a 1-0 win would salvage some pride.....But only some.
With the team (and management) moral being so low expect ANYTHING to happen tonight, if the 'real' Utd turn up tonight they could knock four or five in....But i wouldn't hold my breath. My gut feeling is we will look like Accrington Stanley whilst they will look like Barcelona.:rolleyes::(
Yep, might have to tune into this tonight. I enjoyed the last result immensely and am hoping for greek progression tonight.
chris@panteg
19-03-2014, 20:01
Yep, might have to tune into this tonight. I enjoyed the last result immensely and am hoping for greek progression tonight.
Should that be a Greek Tragedy?
In Moyes we trust !
Stratmangler
19-03-2014, 21:03
Oh, and I forgot to say...
Indeed... Look what happened to Blackburn Rovers!! :eek: ;)
Marco.
Yeah, Jack Walker died.
Terminal lack of interest.
Well, Sheikh Ma Chamois could pop his clogs, too...... :eyebrows:
Marco.
Stratmangler
19-03-2014, 21:28
Well, Sheikh Ma Chamois could pop his clogs, too...... :eyebrows:
Marco.
I think his business interests will be looked after in the family's interest ;)
Get in there, UNITED - it's VAN THE MAN!!! :yay: :yay: :yay: :yay: :yay: :yay:
To all Moyes & Man Utd haters: GET IT *RIGHT* UP YE, YA BAMS!!!!!!!!!!!
:upyours: :D :upyours: :D :upyours: :D :upyours: :D :upyours:
;)
Marco.
chris@panteg
19-03-2014, 21:38
Good comeback from Utd tonight!
Stratmangler
19-03-2014, 22:38
Didn't watch the match, so I can't comment further, but it's a decent result for Utd.
They'll have to win the CL Trophy to qualify for next season's competition - I still can't see them qualifying by their league position.
We'll have to see how things pan out in the draw on Friday.
Indeed - they've still progressed further than your team have, though...! :eyebrows:
Furthermore, the result tonight, with the confidence and feel good factor that'll have given to Utd, makes the forthcoming Manchester derby that bit more tasty!! ;)
Marco.
chris@panteg
19-03-2014, 22:50
Indeed - they've still progressed further than your team have, though...! :eyebrows:
Furthermore, the result tonight, with the confidence and feel good factor that'll have given to Utd, makes the forthcoming Manchester derby that bit more tasty!! ;)
Marco.
Possibly Marco, but if city really get it together on the day like we know then can.....
Oh I know... However, the match with City is a damn sight more interesting (and a little more unpredictable now) than it would've been had Utd got humped tonight!
Marco.
Stratmangler
19-03-2014, 22:56
Indeed - they've still got further than your team did, though...! :eyebrows:
Well spotted.
I see your A level in stating the bleeding obvious and not sounding at all like you're crowing on about it is coming to the fore.
Have a chocolate Noddy :)
Furthermore, the result tonight, with the confidence and feel good factor that'll have given to Utd, makes the forthcoming Manchester derby that bit more tasty!! ;)
Marco.
I hope so.
They were shite in the last one.
Well spotted.
I see your A level in stating the bleeding obvious and not sounding at all like you're crowing on about it is coming to the fore.
Have a chocolate Noddy :)
I'm merely taking a leaf out of your smug book, Captain Crower!! :ner:
Have two chocolate Noddies and a jelly-bean giraffe, for your cheek... ;)
Marco.
The scum get saved by their good player again. Meh. I actually hope they can fluke their way to the final to get a shoeing from Chelsea.
Old George
20-03-2014, 12:59
The scum get saved by their good player again. Meh. I actually hope they can fluke their way to the final to get a shoeing from Chelsea.
Last nights result was just a blip on the United radar. Yes Moyes has redeemed the embarrassment of three weeks ago, and it might inspire some confidence for the coming league games. I still think he is a 'dead man walking'. West Ham won't be a pushover and i think we'll get trounced against City.
An interesting rumour is circulating around the executive boxes (again) about a take over in the summer.......
As much as I detest the scum it would make a nice change for any new manager to get some time to build. Let's face it, ferguson didn't leave the team in great shape. As I know all too well as a Chelsea fan, even if you win the Champions League you might not get a fair chance.
As much as I detest the scum it would make a nice change for any new manager to get some time to build. Let's face it, ferguson didn't leave the team in great shape. As I know all too well as a Chelsea fan, even if you win the Champions League you might not get a fair chance.
I realise passions run high in football and that we all have our individual loyalties but employing the word 'scum' in your posts when referring to a particular footie team is potentially provocative Andrew, therefore I would kindly request that you refrain from using it in the future. Thanks ;)
Yes please be more understanding to other supporters
Old George
21-03-2014, 01:46
As much as I detest the scum it would make a nice change for any new manager to get some time to build. Let's face it, ferguson didn't leave the team in great shape. As I know all too well as a Chelsea fan, even if you win the Champions League you might not get a fair chance.
The rot certainly didn't start with DM's appointment, Ferguson was content toward the end of his career to 'make do and mend'. I'm not the only supporter who said at the end of last season 'how the hell did we win the title with that team?' Add to the fact that DM didn't take over until July when the transfer market was well and truly rolling, so he obviously didn't have the easiest of starts.
Sadly for Moyes the board will not extend the flexibility or patience it had with Fergie, he was one of the managerial 'Gods', Moyes on the other hand is a mere mortal, and therefore expendable. Maybe just maybe, if he can address the league rot and progress in Europe he will survive until next season.....It's a tall order.
chris@panteg
22-03-2014, 15:08
What a win for Chelsea , 6-0 goal difference could be crucial , terrible for Wenger ,his time may be up come end of the season ? This is happening far too often .
Yes,they promise so much then fall at the last hurdle.
They have to the win the fa cup or i think he will be gone.
i reckon if we had chelsea's back 4 we would have won this league by now.
would really like not to have to play a CL qualifier so hopefully top 3 for us!
What a win for Chelsea , 6-0 goal difference could be crucial , terrible for Wenger ,his time may be up come end of the season ? This is happening far too often .
days like this remind me i am glad that i dont do the pools anymore.
thought this was nailed on as a score draw.
Think if we had some in form strikers we would have won it by now.
Luckily we have a very good midfield and defence.
Well, I never saw that result coming... Chelsea were awesome! However, there's a lot of football still to be played and I suspect a few more twists and turns before the season is over. Most significantly, we need to see what Man City do with their games in hand.
Liverpool were also superb today, and are most certainly genuine title contenders now. The threat they possess up front is quite frightening! :eek: However, coming from behind twice today showed that they also have a steely resolve about them and are willing to roll their sleeves up and fight to win, when necessary - an ability that all potential champions must have.
I was also very pleased to see Man Utd win, and in such a convincing manner against West Ham. What an amazing goal by Rooney!! :wow: There's no doubt that Van Persie will be hugely missed, but it's possible his absence might just galvanise the rest of the team and make them play with more togetherness.
It's all shaping up nicely for the Manchester derby on Tuesday. Regardless of whether Utd win or lose that game, watching them play today against West Ham, I can see a big change in them since the Olympiacos win, and I now fully expect them to claim a Europa League place by finishing in sixth position in the league, or perhaps even better....
Moyes and Man Utd are on the way up - of that I am certain, as indeed I am that he will eventually become a successful Utd manager... I'm determined to prove you wrong about Moyes, George, and I think that in time I will be proven right... Mark my words! ;)
Marco.
i thought it was only 5th that got europa place?
Nope, my understanding is that sixth secures a place in the Europa league. I could be wrong though, Simon. Perhaps someone could check?
Marco.
Utd are far to slow when attacking.How moyes has done this and why is a strange one.
Will be extremely surprised if he is still there next season.
Nope, my understanding is that sixth secures a place in the Europa league. I could be wrong though, Simon. Perhaps someone could check?
Marco.
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/fans/faqs/who-qualifies-to-play-in-europe/
looks like just 5th. i guess their only chance of europe next season is to win this years CL. you never know!?
I very much doubt utd would want to get into the Europa league.
hang on though.
if united win it (CL) then 4th place finisher drops to europa league! ( that could be us :( )
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/fans/faqs/who-qualifies-to-play-in-europe/
looks like just 5th. i guess their only chance of europe next season is to win this years CL. you never know!?
I was sure I heard them say on Sky Sports, during the West Ham game, that if Man Utd secured sixth place they'd qualify for a Europa League spot... Not to worry! :)
Marco.
You will defo be above arsenal i'd say.
come on bayern munich i say!
hang on though.
if united win it (CL) then 4th place finisher drops to europa league! ( that could be us :( )
Nah, no chance. We'll not be fourth. I can't see Liverpool finishing any less than 3rd now.
Marco.
Utd are far to slow when attacking.How moyes has done this and why is a strange one.
Will be extremely surprised if he is still there next season.
Trust me, Moyes will be there - and for many seasons after that too, *if* he buys well during the summer and has a successful season in the league next year!
Marco.
Trust me, Moyes will be there - and for many seasons after that too, *if* he buys well during the summer and has a successful season in the league next year!
Marco.
Me and supporters of every other prem side hope your right.:)
He has managed to make an average team worse.
Can't see them letting him loose with £200mill though..Exhibit A Fellani.
There's not much point getting into this, Stu.
We'll just have to agree to disagree about Moyes, as no doubt I'll continue having to do with other critics of his here. In the last two games Utd have played very well, and I see that trend continuing (although not necessarily against City in the next match).
Let's just say that when (at some point) Moyes wins the title with Utd, I'll make a point of highlighting your comments here... ;)
Marco.
chris@panteg
23-03-2014, 06:48
I keep telling the utd fans I know to have faith and trust in Moyes!! For he will lead utd to the promise land.
I think they should extend his contract to ten, no make it 15 years:)
Old George
23-03-2014, 09:43
Well, I never saw that result coming... Chelsea were awesome! However, there's a lot of football still to be played and I suspect a few more twists and turns before the season is over. Most significantly, we need to see what Man City do with their games in hand.
Liverpool were also superb today, and are most certainly genuine title contenders now. The threat they possess up front is quite frightening! :eek: However, coming from behind twice today showed that they also have a steely resolve about them and are willing to roll their sleeves up and fight to win, when necessary - an ability that all potential champions must have.
I was also very pleased to see Man Utd win, and in such a convincing manner against West Ham. What an amazing goal by Rooney!! :wow: There's no doubt that Van Persie will be hugely missed, but it's possible his absence might just galvanise the rest of the team and make them play with more togetherness.
It's all shaping up nicely for the Manchester derby on Tuesday. Regardless of whether Utd win or lose that game, watching them play today against West Ham, I can see a big change in them since the Olympiacos win, and I now fully expect them to claim a Europa League place by finishing in sixth position in the league, or perhaps even better....
Moyes and Man Utd are on the way up - of that I am certain, as indeed I am that he will eventually become a successful Utd manager... I'm determined to prove you wrong about Moyes, George, and I think that in time I will be proven right... Mark my words! ;)
Marco.
Ever the optimist eh Marco? :lol: I agree Moyes will undoubtedly become a VERY successful Utd manager......He replaces Sam Allardyce at West Ham next season!
What a difference a few days make in a managers career, prior to the Olympiakos game the majority of pundits made impassioned pleas to get rid of Moyes.
Post match, and some of these pundits are saying that the club might have 'turned the corner' and suddenly we should stick with Moyes. Nothing like the good old fickle press.:rolleyes:
Lets have a reality check, Utd have been abysmal on the pitch all season. The first Olympiakos game was bloody embarrassing, They are a tinpot side that the likes of Chelsea/City/Liverpool/Arsenal would be three up against at half time, and that's in the away leg. Reading some of the mid-week reports you would be excused for thinking we had beat Barcelona, Yes there was an improvement, but even a pitiful team will win the odd game. On the plus side maybe the win did inspire some confidence, the West Ham game should have been a difficult game for us, but only if you take our present league form into account. A Utd side firing on all cylinders should have been red hot favourites to collect three points.
The couple of positive achievements that Moyes can be credited with are the return to form of Rooney, and bringing the scouting system into the 20th century. Over the past couple of seasons the relationship between Fergie and Rooney had collapsed, and Rooney's form suffered badly.
So what if we have 'turned the corner'? Finishing is a Europa League spot is something a lot of us Utd supporters DON'T want. It's Europe's answer to the Carling cup, Playing Thursday night matches when a crucial Premier league match might be waiting on the Saturday could prove a serious handicap when trying to win the title and/or qualifying for the champions league. It could be argued that when a club has a major team rebuild (as we need) the Europa league is a gentle way of moulding the new team in preparation for the Champions league.I would prefer to finish as we are now.
If Moyes can inject some consistency and get the team playing well for the remaining eight games maybe he will save his job (and an army of rival fans will be praying this is the outcome) All he's brought to the club is a reputation of being a decent hard-working manager, beyond that his CV is full of blank pages. When Fergie was Moyes age his trophy haul was in double figures, including the cup winners cup and the super cup.
There are a lot of managers with much more substantial CV's who would relish the Utd job, Moyes is expendable and he's well aware of that fact. I would love to be proved wrong about Moyes, i would be delighted if he assembled a squad that had the hallmark of champions.......Sadly i just cannot visualise it.
Lol... Like I said to Stu, when it comes to Moyes, we'll just have to agree to disagree... On other aspects of football, though, we do agree.
However, I think there's about as much chance of Moyes being sacked this season as you have of getting into Angelina Jolie's knickers!! :D ;)
Marco.
Old George
23-03-2014, 12:05
Lol... Like I said to Stu, when it comes to Moyes, we'll just have to agree to disagree... On other aspects of football, though, we do agree.
However, I think there's about as much chance of Moyes being sacked this season as you have of getting into Angelina Jolie's knickers!! :D ;)
Marco.
With just eight Premier fixtures left i agree that Moyes is probably safe until the end of the season, and in Europe we have the simple task of knocking out Bayern Munich. I feel sorry for Munich, all they have in midfield are a bunch of kids, we have Giggs and Carrick.....Boys against MEN!
Your right about me not having much chance of getting in AJ's knickers, she must be three or four sizes smaller than me!:eek::ner:
Is that before or after the gastric band was fitted? :D :eyebrows:
Anyway.... Let's judge Moyes on what he does NEXT season, once he has a team full of his own players. With regard to the tie with Bayern, Utd have got no chance, especially now without Van Persie, although I'd love to be proved wrong!
Marco.
So what's the result going to be tonight, chaps?
My money's on City, quite simply, for the sake of their title hopes, they need to win the match more than Utd - and in derby games the team that 'wants' it more, usually gets it!
Prediction: Man Utd 1 Man City 3.
Are you going to the game, Chris? :)
Marco.
chris@panteg
25-03-2014, 09:50
I think utd might make a game of it Marco, possibly a draw?
City favourites to win though.
I sincerely hope that they do make a game of it, which I'm sure they will. I just feel that City's extra determination (should that prove to be the case) and need to win, coupled with their goal scoring prowess, makes them odds-on to win the match by a couple of goals.
However, if Utd can get a point, or even take all three, I'd be very happy :)
Marco.
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