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Stratmangler
25-03-2014, 21:42
Decent result for City.
The Rags played a lot better than last time too, although Fellaini should have been red carded for that atrocious elbow against Zabaleta :eyebrows:
Arsenal on Saturday ....
My prediction was close enough!
No surprises for me. City are quite simply a much better team at the moment, and as predicted, had the greater desire to win. For me, though, this doesn't change much for Utd, as it was a game they were simply never going to win.
What matters more is how they perform in their next game....
Well done to City. It's going to be a close finish for the title at the end!
Marco.
Decent result for City.
The Rags played a lot better than last time too, although Fellaini should have been red carded for that atrocious elbow against Zabaleta :eyebrows:
Arsenal on Saturday ....
Where the fook have you been, dude? I thought you'd deserted us!
Marco.
Stratmangler
25-03-2014, 22:25
I see Bayern have won the Bundesliga tonight http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26713870
chris@panteg
25-03-2014, 22:27
Decent result for City.
The Rags played a lot better than last time too, although Fellaini should have been red carded for that atrocious elbow against Zabaleta :eyebrows:
Arsenal on Saturday ....
I expect City to win comfortably on current form, too many good players injured as well, might end up in 5th?
How utd have got this bad beggars belief.
Stratmangler
25-03-2014, 22:36
Where the fook have you been, dude? I thought you'd deserted us!
Marco.
I've been extremely busy this last week, putting in more hours and travelling further than I'd ideally like to.
Stratmangler
26-03-2014, 00:02
How utd have got this bad beggars belief.
Been there, had the gold badges, season turned to shit ....
Is anyone else staggered by the fact that Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain's red card (vs chelsea where he dived to save a shot) was downgraded to a yellow on the basis that the ball was going wide? I find this astonishing. That is blatant cheating and deserves a red card imo.
Yes,i think they can only give a red if it's going in.
Silly rule as he of course thought it was going in.
I've been extremely busy this last week, putting in more hours and travelling further than I'd ideally like to.
Cool...Still, it's nice to be missed, eh? ;)
Marco.
Stratmangler
26-03-2014, 10:38
How's this for a header?
Kasper Schmeicel scored this late equaliser, and it's been credited to one of this teammates :scratch:
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Old George
26-03-2014, 12:12
How utd have got this bad beggars belief.
It didn't happen overnight Stu, a lot of blame can be laid at Fergies door. Déjà vu as far as i'm concerned, we had this toward the end of Busby's career.
Guardiola and Mourinho would have taken the Utd job had the club and Fergie shown more ambition and vision, both the aforementioned would have had problems but i guess not to the extent that Moyes is having. After last night it can be said that 'normal service' has been restored by Moyes.
To be fair i expected City to knock at least four past us so we've got off lightly. A lot of people are claiming that RVP being injured is a handicap for the club, it is but not to the extent that some may think, the real star this season has been Rooney by a country mile.
I was thinking that Utd major saving grace for Moyes next year is that it looks likekly that UTd will not be competing in Europe so giving a bit more time to recover compaired to the other clubs.
I still think if UTD are not in the top 4 next Christmas then Moyes will be out
If I was a UTD fan what I be concerned is how Utd are spending their money. Mata a good player but plays in the same space Rooney usually plays in. The less said about Maroune Fellaini purchase the better. my only thought is why? It just seemed like a panic buy. Utd have to do a lot better in the Transfer season
Yes i realise this George.
They have just started to play so slow.
I can't see any direction moyes is taking them.
They look like they are just thrown on to the pitch and just hope something works.
I wouldn't say city are miles better than last year or chelsea,yet going into last nights game everyone expected at least 3 or more to be put past them.
That wasn't the case last year with the same players,what's changed.
Most realise moyes needs to spend at least £150 mil Plus.
He has already spent about £80 mil i think.
Fellani looks a complete joke and you will take a big hit when he is sold i think.
After last night it can be said that 'normal service' has been restored by Moyes.
Jeez, George, if I'm the eternal optimist then you must be my pessimist alter-ego!! :eyebrows:
Furthermore, if you honestly expected to take anything from that game last night then you really are a big-knicker wearing daftee!
'Normal service' will be resumed when Utd take on opponents, following on from the wins against Olympiacos and West Ham, that aren't currently operating at a much higher football level than they are, starting with Aston Villa at home on Saturday, although that will not be an easy game.
The problem with Utd fans is that they've been spoiled with success for WAY too long, and so simply aren't used to, and can't handle, any disappointments. Try supporting a genuine 'diddy team' that, as a matter of course, are used to losing more often than winning, and see how you get on... :ner:
Or try being a Liverpool fan. We haven't won a league title for 24 years, despite, historically, being one of the most successful clubs in the world. Suffering all that time in the doldrums - now *that* is hard to take and something to moan about!!
Honestly, you Utd fans need to show some patience and look at the bigger picture, particularly the braindead balloons, shown on TV last night, screaming for Moyes' head. The good times will come back again, and soon, but for now, stop crying and learn to take temporary knocks on the chin!
Sorry, but it had to be said :)
A lot of people are claiming that RVP being injured is a handicap for the club, it is but not to the extent that some may think, the real star this season has been Rooney by a country mile.
Agreed. Rooney has been a sensation this season. Let's hope for England's sake that he can take that form to the World Cup. Shame that Bale isn't English, eh? ;)
Marco.
Old George
26-03-2014, 17:36
Yes i realise this George.
They have just started to play so slow.
I can't see any direction moyes is taking them.
They look like they are just thrown on to the pitch and just hope something works.
I wouldn't say city are miles better than last year or chelsea,yet going into last nights game everyone expected at least 3 or more to be put past them.
That wasn't the case last year with the same players,what's changed.
Most realise moyes needs to spend at least £150 mil Plus.
He has already spent about £80 mil i think.
Fellani looks a complete joke and you will take a big hit when he is sold i think.
Fair comment Stu, and a very realistic appraisal. We lack consistency because Moyes lacks experience at this level and his confidence is shattered.
Fellaini was a knee-jerk reaction, he was a big player for Everton but he is a small fish in a very big pond at Old Trafford. His style of play isn't compatible with the usual past paced passing game we used to play.
No doubt we will take a substantial hit when he's moved on, and i don't see a big queue forming to buy him.
Old George
26-03-2014, 18:14
Jeez, George, if I'm the eternal optimist then you must be my pessimist alter-ego!! :eyebrows:
Furthermore, if you honestly expected to take anything from that game last night then you really are a big-knicker wearing daftee!
Have a read of my comments in post 513 to see what i expected in 'the last game' Marco.:scratch::rolleyes:
'Pessimist'? Try realist mate, there is a level of managerial expectation amongst Utd fans that Moyes seems unlikely to achieve. We knew that a younger Ferguson had the potential even though it took him some time to get there, Moyes appears to bring nothing to the table.
'Normal service' will be resumed when Utd taking on opponents, following on from the wins against Olympiacos and West Ham, that aren't currently operating at a much higher football level than they are, starting with Aston Villa at home on Saturday, although that will not be an easy game.
'Normal service' will resume when we have a manager and coaching staff who can work at top level.
The problem with Utd fans is that they've been spoiled with success for WAY too long, and so simply aren't used to, and can't handle, any disappointments. Try supporting a genuine 'diddy team' that, as a matter of course, are used to losing more often than winning, and see how you get on... :ner:
NONSENSE! You either have a very selective memory or lack knowledge of the clubs history mate. I started supporting Utd in the 60's before we won the European Cup, the season after winning it we went into meltdown, we became the old first division 'whipping boys' season after season until we got relegated. |Talk about a crap team? i've seen less crap in a sewage works.
Or try being a Liverpool fan. We haven't won a league title for 24 years, despite being one of the most successful clubs in the world. Suffering all that time in the doldrums - now *that* is hard to take and something to moan about!!
Oh diddums! What a hard life for you poor Liverpool fans, must be heartbreaking not winning the league for 24 years, but i'll just jog your memory as to what you have won over the past 24 years eh?
3 FA cups
4 league cups
1 European cup (to add to the miserable haul of four previous wins....)
1 UEFA cup
2 UEFA Super Cups
No doubt about it, it's a hard life being a Liverpool fan.:ner::lol:
Honestly, you Utd fans need to show some patience and look at the bigger picture, particularly the braindead balloons, shown on TV last night, screaming for Moyes' head. The good times will come back again, and soon, but for now, stop crying, get a grip and deal with life!
Maybe they will return soon, but not with Moyes at the helm.
Agreed. Rooney has been a sensation this season. Let's hope for England's sake that he can take that form to the World Cup. Shame that Bale isn't English, eh? ;)
Marco.
Bales just fine being Welsh, he'll go on to win a lot of silverware at club level. Which is more than can be said if he played football for England, us Wales fans know our national side will win bugger-all........Shame the majority of England fans can't smell the coffee! The England team will be back home before the postcards! :lol:
Odds for Stevie Wonder to take a good wedding photo.......2000/1
Odd's for England to win world cup..................................10000/1
Bales just fine being Welsh, he'll go on to win a lot of silverware at club level. Which is more than can be said if he played football for England, us Wales fans know our national side will win bugger-all........Shame the majority of England fans can't smell the coffee! The England team will be back home before the postcards! :lol:
Odds for Stevie Wonder to take a good wedding photo.......2000/1
Odd's for England to win world cup..................................10000/1
Hahahahahahaha... As an Italian Scot (and adopted Welshman), who'll be supporting Italy this summer, I couldn't agree more!! :D
As for the rest of your post, I made my point very clearly earlier, so there's no point in dwelling on it, save to say that what fans care about most is winning the league - the rest is merely 'froth'.
Therefore, most Liverpool fans would very willingly have swapped that European success for some league titles, which Utd have coming out of their ears, and should be bloody grateful for! :ner:
Like I said before, all your pish about Moyes will be getting cast up, big time, and shoved in yer 'boat race', when under him Utd eventually win the title - you have been warned! ;)
Marco.
Old George
26-03-2014, 19:08
Hahahahahahaha... As an Italian Scot (and adopted Welshman), who'll be supporting Italy this summer, I couldn't agree more!! :D
I'll try and watch the likes of Italy/Spain/Germany this time around, watch out for some of the African sides.....certainly don't underestimate them.;)
As for the rest of your post, I made my point very clearly earlier, so there's no point in dwelling on it, save to say that what fans care about most is winning the league - the rest is merely 'froth'.
Talk to most Utd fans and it's the European Cup that counts. Yes the Premier league title is nice, but it's only a stepping stone to the 'big one'.
Therefore, most Liverpool fans would very willingly have swapped that European success for some league titles, which Utd have coming out of their ears, and should be bloody grateful for! :ner:
We'll swop four of our titles for ONE of your European cups any day mush! :ner:
Like I said before, all your pish about Moyes will be getting cast up, big time, and shoved in yer 'boat race', when under him, Utd eventually win the title - you have been warned! ;)
Marco.
Steps outside to check for flying pigs...........Nope, no sign of 'em yet.
Two superb results this evening:
Liverpool 2 Sunderland 1.
Partick Thistle 1 Celtic 5.
That latter gives my favourite team the SPL title, with SEVEN games to spare! :champagne: :yay: :champagne: :yay: :champagne: :yay:
The former is a superb result for my second favourite team and puts us within one point of Chelsea, who along with City, should be afraid, VERY afraid, that those Scouse upstarts should sneak in and pinch the title from under their noses! :eyebrows:
All in all, you could say it's been a good night!! :cool: :cool:
Marco.
good result in the end last night but a frustrating watch.
glen johnson was so wasteful , he needs to up his game big time.
still on course for top 3 though.
although 4th would meet the clubs expectations for the season, it does not guarantee champions league football.
having to play a qualifier would have an adverse affect on the summer transfer window too.
Old George
27-03-2014, 10:19
Two superb results this evening:
Liverpool 2 Sunderland 1.
Partick Thistle 1 Celtic 5.
That latter gives my favourite team the SPL title, with SEVEN games to spare! :champagne: :yay: :champagne: :yay: :champagne: :yay:
The former is a superb result for my second favourite team and puts us within one point of Chelsea, who along with City, should be afraid, VERY afraid, that those Scouse upstarts should sneak in and pinch the title from under their noses! :eyebrows:
All in all, you could say it's been a good night!! :cool: :cool:
Marco.
I'd love to see the scousers lift the title after all the hype concerning City and the imaginary 'Quadruple'. It's about time a club with some pedigree (apart from United) lifted the cup.;)
chris@panteg
27-03-2014, 12:26
I have to say that Liverpool have played some great stuff this season, and do deserve something, its a three horse race now as Arsenal are in total disarray, an easy win for city on the cards this Saturday alas.
I have to say that Liverpool have played some great stuff this season, and do deserve something, its a three horse race now as Arsenal are in total disarray, an easy win for city on the cards this Saturday alas.
you never know "its a funny ol game"
i fancy arsenal to get the draw. at least i am hoping so.
everton are keeping pace lately and could yet get fourth or fifth. i fancy them to finish above spurs.
Stratmangler
27-03-2014, 21:37
I was in the chippy just a short while ago and spotted this article - gave me a chuckle a least ;)
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-city-squad-value-better-6884095
Looked to me as if the pressure has started to creep in to Liverpool last night.
The crowd were deathly quiet in the first half and it looked like the tension infected the players.
Stratmangler
27-03-2014, 21:48
Looked to me as if the pressure has started to creep in to Liverpool last night.
The crowd were deathly quiet in the first half and it looked like the tension infected the players.
So it wasn't just me noticing that then ;)
These last nine games are going to fly by ....
I was in the chippy just a short while ago and spotted this article - gave me a chuckle a least ;)
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-city-squad-value-better-6884095
It was quite witty, with some relevant and insightful observations.
However, like I said before, (and George touched upon), City lack real pedigree, and will only be able to claim superiority when they start winning more trophies and begin to equal Utd's haul. Until then, they'll remain as Manchester's 'diddy team' ;)
<Chuckle>
Marco.
Stratmangler
27-03-2014, 22:47
It was quite witty, with some relevant and insightful observations.
However, like I said before, (and George touched upon), City lack real pedigree, and will only be able to claim superiority when they start winning more trophies and begin to equal Utd's haul. Until then, they'll remain as Manchester's 'diddy team' ;)
<Chuckle>
Marco.
If pedigree is solely down to listing records of glories past then you're absolutely correct.
Fortunately football is more about the here and now, and right now Utd are looking like a bunch of pedigree chumps.
I'm quite content to support the diddy team.
I've supported 'em from being a kid, and I ain't gonna change now.
Past glories? Lol...
Utd are the current champions, having won the league only last year, and also in 2011 (not to mention numerous times recently before that). Furthermore, they won the Champions League in 2008, so if those are 'past glories', what current glories have Man City achieved which supersede that?
Also, how long do you realistically expect Utd to remain as "chumps"?
There's not a lot wrong with the team that can't be fixed pretty quickly, either by the present team and manager getting it together, or the appointment of a better new manager and players. Utd's problems aren't deep-rooted, therefore, their 'chump status' is merely a temporary blip.
Anyway, mate, it's only a friendly bit of banter, injected by me into proceedings, as a neutral, along with a healthy dose of realism, when I feel you're getting a little, erm, 'carried away'! ;)
If City do win the title, I'll be the first to offer you my congratulations! :cool:
Marco.
Manchester Utd 4 Aston Villa 1 :yay:
Hey, George, what did I tell you? With the City match out of the way (a game that Utd were never going to win), 'normal service' has been resumed....!! ;)
Nice to see Mata get off the mark and open his scoring account, too!
Quite simply, at the moment (and this is only a temporary state of affairs), Utd are not good enough to beat any of the top three, but they're plenty good enough to take points off of anyone else, and on the back of good results against Olympiacos and West Ham, they back on track - and I expect that form to continue.
Crystal Palace 1 Chelsea 0 :yay: :yay:
Now who'd have predicted that one?? :eek: What a superb result for us (Liverpool), and also Man City, if they can beat Arsenal, which looks likely...
Marco.
...and City drop two points. What a day to be a Liverpool supporter! :exactly:
Chance to go top tomorrow, if we beat Spurs, which will not be easy... :nono:
Marco.
Stratmangler
29-03-2014, 19:33
...and City drop two points. What a day to be a Liverpool supporter! :exactly:
Chance to go top tomorrow, if we beat Sprus, which will not be easy... :nono:
Marco.
Who are Sprus?
Touch too much vino perhaps? ;)
Stratmangler
29-03-2014, 19:36
Tough game against Arsenal - didn't expect anything less.
The game at Anfield takes on greater significance ...
Who are Sprus?
Touch too much vino perhaps? ;)
Lol - typo! Will now amend...
Marco.
Stratmangler
29-03-2014, 19:46
Lol - typo! Will now amend...
Marco.
G'wan ....
Make a nonsense of my last (and humourous) post ;)
Tough game against Arsenal - didn't expect anything less.
The game at Anfield takes on greater significance ...
You must be over the moon at the Chelsea result though, Chris! With your two games in hand, that was a nice wee bonus :)
There are some cracking matches still to come, in the best title race the league has seen for years!! :exactly:
Marco.
chris@panteg
29-03-2014, 19:47
Fighting effort from the gunners, Liverpool in with more than a chance now!
Mourinho at it again with his mind games, title race over???
G'wan ....
Make a nonsense of my last (and humourous) post ;)
Dunno wot you mean, mate :scratch:
Marco.
Thought Arse did very well today after last week.
Can't see city blowing it now.
All comes down to the merseyside games i think.
if we win our remaining 7 games the title is in the bag!
that could be thrown away tomorrow of course.
but good results for us today.
it is so nice to be "in the mix" for a bloody change.
it is so nice to be "in the mix" for a bloody change.
+1, Simon. You're spot on, mate. Even if we don't win it (which I doubt we will), the good old days are back.... :)
Marco.
+1, Simon. You're spot on, mate. Even if we don't win it (which I doubt we will), the good old days are back.... :)
Marco.
yep and the old cliche of "every games a cup final" now applies for sure.
luckily for my fingernails i am working tomorrow so will not be able to see the game.
i agree with you , Marco, regarding united's situation. too big a club to be where they are for long.
but not too sure it will be Moyes that gets them back up into top four.
i reckon he has one more season to put his stamp on it.
yep and the old cliche of "every games a cup final" now applies for sure.
luckily for my fingernails i am working tomorrow so will not be able to see the game.
Lol - I'll be recording it, as my parents are coming over for lunch, for Mother's Day. I'll be watching the game later, once they're away :)
i agree with you , Marco, regarding united's situation. too big a club to be where they are for long.
but not too sure it will be Moyes that gets them back up into top four.
i reckon he has one more season to put his stamp on it.
Absolutely no doubt whatsoever. I've always said that next year will be 'judgement season' for him. All this 'sack Moyes' pish this season is just short-sighted nonsense - it simply ain't gonna happen, but if he doesn't get it right next year, he *will* go. As he's an ex-Celtic man, though, I have every faith in him to deliver the goods! ;)
Marco.
kininigin
30-03-2014, 13:35
I must admit,i didn't think liverpool would be in this position! They have been progressing well since the second half of last season and i thought 4th (if they kept suarez) would be a fantastic achievment! That looks like being in the bag and if we win today then we have a very good chance for the title! I'm still being a little reserved on that front as the sunderland game (and others) shows we are still vulnerable to sustained pressure and the odd goal or 2!!
chris@panteg
30-03-2014, 16:47
Great goal from Suarez, Liverpool top the league and deservedly so! They look hungry for it, i guess after 24 years its not surprising.
Game against City should be a humdinger though every game is crucial now.
Good reult,but how awful are spurs?
The city and chelsea matches will be fun.
Liverpool 4 Tottenham Hotspur 0
:yay: :yay: :yay: :yay: YA FOOKING DANCER!!
That's eight straight wins. We're top of the league now - and heading for the title.... Manchester City, be afraid, be VERY afraid! ;)
Marco.
just got in from work and seen the result.
i need a beer?
game on!!!!!
Stratmangler
30-03-2014, 20:29
Tight at the top, eh?
Looks like it's going to the wire, which means that there are eight games to go.
I'm looking forward to next Saturday and no further - it's one game at a time, and we have to beat Southampton.
See you on the other side :cool:
Aye, that's what you call a title race! Wish it was the same up in Scotland... :rolleyes:
Perhaps sense might eventually prevail and the 'powers that be' will at some point allow Celtic into the English Premiership? I don't see why Cardiff and Swansea get in and we don't - but that's an old story!
I have no doubt that the presence of Celtic would enhance the Premiership, especially as Rangers are out of the equation, whilst they sort out their financial problems and determine whether or not they have a future, and therefore there'd be none of the 'old firm' religious rivalry being brought down to England.
However, with Celtic, they have great (generally well-behaved) fans (and plenty of them), a superb 65,000 capacity stadium and a team that eventually could be challenging at the top of the league, so what's not to like?
Anyway, it'll be fascinating seeing how this year's Premiership title race unfolds! :)
Marco.
chris@panteg
31-03-2014, 08:34
Wales is a principality of England or joined with England if you like, Scotland is part of the UK just, but not a principality, though in September it may be independent of course.
Just to add that the term principality is not technically correct as that ended in 1542, Wales was then joined with England.
Its still often referred to as a principality today though.
Well, if Berwick Rangers (an English team) can play in Scotland, I don't see why Celtic can't play in England!! ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berwick_Rangers_F.C.
Would you agree that a team, such as Celtic, would enhance the English Premiership? I'm pretty sure that after a couple of seasons of sinking (what is it £30m a season, merely for being there?) buying better players with that money, and readjusting in a football sense, they'd be up there with the top teams in England :)
Marco.
chris@panteg
31-03-2014, 11:47
Well, if Berwick Rangers (an English team) can play in Scotland, I don't see why Celtic can't play in England!! ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berwick_Rangers_F.C.
Would you agree that a team, such as Celtic, would enhance the English Premiership? I'm pretty sure that after a couple of seasons of sinking (what is it £30m a season, merely for being there?) buying better players with that money, and readjusting in a football sense, they'd be up there with the top teams in England :)
Marco.
I wouldn't have a problem with it Marco , why not ? I still think its a shame what happened to Rangers though .
I agree, and it's devalued the league wins Celtic have had in their absence, as well as, with having no competition, made it harder for Celtic to maintain a higher standard of football.
It would be interesting, however, if someone could explain why Berwick Rangers get to play in Scotland, yet Celtic can't play in England. Just think of some of the mouth-watering fixtures there'd be in the Premiership at Celtic Park, in front of a 65,000 crowd, and how much the other teams would benefit from Celtic's HUGE (and generally well-behaved) travelling support...
I wouldn't even mind if we started in the Championship and worked our way up! :)
Marco.
Stratmangler
31-03-2014, 12:44
Well, if Berwick Rangers (an English team) can play in Scotland, I don't see why Celtic can't play in England!! ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berwick_Rangers_F.C.
Would you agree that a team, such as Celtic, would enhance the English Premiership? I'm pretty sure that after a couple of seasons of sinking (what is it £30m a season, merely for being there?) buying better players with that money, and readjusting in a football sense, they'd be up there with the top teams in England :)
Marco.
The reason Berwick Rangers play in the Scottish League because of logistics, nothing more.
From Wikipaedia ...
Despite being located in England the club plays in the Scottish Football League to make the distances travelled by fans shorter.
I think the SFA would also protest hugely if Celtic attempted to break into the English Leagues, and do everything in their power to prevent it.
Remember, this is the same SFA that blocked Scots players playing for Team GB in the Olympics, and the same SFA that took a "holier than thou" stance with Glasgow Rangers and their financial meltdown.
Celtic would be in the courts for years, and that's just fighting the SFA.
They'd have to try to win over the FA after that, and they could take some convincing too.
The travelling distance thing would most definitely be used as a counter argument by the FA, not that they really consider travelling logistics for supporters (as occurred in last season's FA Cup final - a post 5pm kickoff was not wanted by supporters of both teams).
It's not too bad distance wise from the Northwest of England, but from London or Southampton it's a different matter.
Hi Chris,
I think you're right on all counts, particularly about the stubborn intransigence of the SFA (and also the FA). Wankaz! :rolleyes: :wanker:
However, in terms of Celtic fans, I don't buy the distance thing as being an issue. It probably takes longer (or just as long) to travel from Glasgow (or certainly the borders of Scotland) to Inverness [when Celtic play Caley Thistle], by car or bus, with the type of roads there are up there, than it'd take to get to London!
Furthermore, for the diehard Celtic fans (and there are tens of thousands of them), who follow the team all over Europe, a trip down to London or Southampton would be a piece of piss.....!
No, I think a lot of this is because the 'powers that be' would rather Celtic were 'kept in their place'/suppressed and not allowed to become the world football force they'd quite quickly develop into, if given continued access to Premiership millions and the type of players who'd want to play for the team in those circumstances, once the club was released from the shackles and backwaters of Scottish football - and into a much bigger (and more deserving) pond!!
:exactly:
Marco.
i would like to see celtic and rangers in the epl. dont think it would go down too well with the rest of Scotlands clubs though.
cant see it happening.
oh and you can keep berwick rangers :-)
Old George
31-03-2014, 18:48
It was quite witty, with some relevant and insightful observations.
However, like I said before, (and George touched upon), City lack real pedigree, and will only be able to claim superiority when they start winning more trophies and begin to equal Utd's haul. Until then, they'll remain as Manchester's 'diddy team' ;)
<Chuckle>
Marco.
Hello Marco, Nothing like a piece of well balanced objective journalism......And this is nothing like it. Mind you, i don't expect any different from Stuart Brennan.
Did anyone spot his (deliberate) omissions? He tried to imply that City had only spent £168M to build this team, sure the City starting lineup might have only cost £168M, but since 2008 the spending far exceeds this sum.
Brennan conveniently ignores the fact that the Utd starting line up has a player that Utd bought way back in 2002 (Ferdinand), so the £181M that Brennan claims Utd have spent works out at just over £15M per year compared to City's lineup (assuming that it dates back to 2008) works out at approx £28M a year.
Lets examine this claim....'when you look at the two line-ups in Tueday’s one-sided derby, it is clear the Reds have been spending their way to mediocrity – their starting XI at Old Trafford cost £181m, and a superior City team cost £168m.'
So Utd have been spending their way to mediocrity? How many trophies have Utd won since this 'mediocre' period started? Do we count from the signing of 'mediocre' Ferdinand in 2002? Or from 2008 when City started splashing the cash? And how does Utd's trophy haul compare to City's in either period?
Manchester Utd 4 Aston Villa 1 :yay:
Hey, George, what did I tell you? With the City match out of the way (a game that Utd were never going to win), 'normal service' has been resumed....!! ;)
Nice to see Mata get off the mark and open his scoring account, too!
Quite simply, at the moment (and this is only a temporary state of affairs), Utd are not good enough to beat any of the top three, but they're plenty good enough to take points off of anyone else, and on the back of good results against Olympiacos and West Ham, they back on track - and I expect that form to continue.
Marco.
Lets not get too carried away by Utd's win, if you'd watched the full 90 minutes you would know that the result flattered us. But a win is a win, Moyes and the boys need it.
We only beat Villa, normally at OT that should be routine mate.
You state we are not good enough to beat any of the top three. Thanks for the confidence vote, we are not good enough to beat any of the top six.
Tomorrow night will highlight how far we have really slipped at top-level, a cautious Bayern might settle for a 2-0 away win knowing full well that there is more chance of Stephen Hawking winning a gymnastics gold then there is of us scoring three away goals.
As for the title race? My head says City will do it, they have the strength in depth to pull it off. I really don't see the two games in hand being much of an issue for them.
My heart wants Liverpool to nick it after all the media hype surrounding City this season. You'll probably remember a few weeks ago the odd numpty of a pundit banging on about City being the 'best team on the planet'. If that's the case then Munich must be the best team in the universe, title already in the bag and a strong possibility of reaching the champions league final.
I think the main issue over the summer was the lack of decent transfers for Utd and last minute panic buy after all the people they were chasing fell through. IF Utd got the players they were linked too I think they would of been so much better
An astute (and very true) observation, John!
I'll get to the rest of the recent posts here later :)
Marco.
Utd are 7 or 8 players short and it is going to be a slow process to rebuild.
Tomorrow night will highlight how far we have really slipped at top-level, a cautious Bayern might settle for a 2-0 away win knowing full well that there is more chance of Stephen Hawking winning a gymnastics gold then there is of us scoring three away goals.
Well, 1-1 was a better result than you (or indeed I) thought 'the chumps' would get! Pity about that fooking late equaliser... :doh:
However, I thought Utd were unlucky with Welbeck's disallowed goal and thoroughly deserved to get a point against top-class opposition. They certainly weren't outclassed, which for me, coupled with their other recent good results, shows some real progress.
It'll be a hugely difficult game in Germany, as Bayern have an impressive home record, but you just never know...!
Marco.
Accepting that Arsenal are now out of the equation my gut feeling is that Liverpool are going to grab the title this year, City and Chelsea are too inconsistent, especially away from home. For me Brendan Rogers and his team hit cruise control a while back and have looked comfortable ever since. With plenty of headroom to spare and barring a major disaster, Liverpool should lift the trophy with ease.
You make a lot of sense, Dave, and I concur with your view. However, time will tell if you're right. I still expect a few more twists and turns yet before the end of the season, but undoubtedly there are some real mouth-watering games coming up to look forward to!
Marco.
You make a lot of sense, Dave, and I concur with your view. However, time will tell if you're right. I still expect a few more twists and turns yet before the end of the season, but undoubtedly there are some real mouth-watering games coming up to look forward to!
Marco.
Oh god yeah, the games leading up to the end of the season are going to be a treat, and I don't just mean for those teams near the top, the relegation battle is really heating up now which is guaranteed to generate some cracking games too.
I am really disappointed with the way Arsenal have been playing of late and in many ways they have been the polar opposite of Liverpool, doing the bare minimum to stay in touch at the top which has left us vulnerable to Everton for the fourth spot, it's as if the team and management have given up... :(
Looking to the future, the top flight Premiership teams had better watch out when Leicester City win promotion, as they surely will, because they are on a mission. I've been watching them closely over the past few months and Pearson's men have been playing some delicious football which I'm sure would trouble all the teams currently fighting for the league trophy.
Old George
02-04-2014, 09:14
Well, 1-1 was a better result than you (or indeed I) thought 'the chumps' would get! Pity about that fooking late equaliser... :doh:
However, I thought Utd were unlucky with Welbeck's disallowed goal and thoroughly deserved to get a point against top-class opposition. They certainly weren't outclassed, which for me, coupled with their other recent good results, shows some real progress.
It'll be a hugely difficult game in Germany, as Bayern have an impressive home record, but you just never know...!
Marco.
Well i didn't see that coming, neither did anyone else from what i can gather.
One of Utd's best performances this season, and that's not saying much really. Bayern showed control and composure, Utd showed determination and resilience.
For once we actually played WELL will it help save Moyes job? Two rumours coming from O/T (and not the tabloid rags) Moyes is safe and will have a job for the duration of next season regardless of league position. Or Moyes has until late November/early December to turn things around or he's out.
I hope the players can show the same spirit for the rest of the season and give us suffering fans just a little to cheer about. As for the next leg against Bayern, i think they will up their game and beat us, but if we play as we did last night at least we'll go out with dignity.
Did you see today's 4-0 win away at Newcastle coming either, George? :eyebrows:
;)
Remove the City game from the equation, and Utd have been on a great run!
Listen to yer uncle Marco: right now, Moyes' job is as safe as houses - and he will eventually go onto become the next Fergie!! :trust:
Good wins for Man City and Chelsea keep things tight at the top.... Our game against West Ham tomorrow, I feel, could be a tough one...
Marco.
Did you see today's 4-0 win against Newcastle coming either, George? :eyebrows:
;)
Listen to yer uncle Marco: right now, Moyes' job is as safe as houses, and he will eventually go onto become the next Fergie!! :trust:
Good wins for Man City and Chelsea keep things tight at the top.... Our game against West Ham tomorrow, I feel, could be a tough one...
Marco.
i agree about tomorrows game, although i believe the hammers are safe now, so maybe they will relax a tad.
i wont get to see the game live due to work (again) but that is probably good thing.
Marco
on the subject of Suarez, do you believe he is committed? or like me do you believe he is bound for pastures new in the summer?
i just think his complete turn around in attitude following the summer is because there is already a deal on the table.
i do not believe he just wants CL football. he wants RM or Barca, i reckon.
if he does go it should be at least what spurs got for Bale and i just hope BR spends it better than AVB.
will be interesting anyway.
Hi Simon,
I don't think a player, such as Suarez, would be the loyal type with any club. In that respect, if RM or Barca come calling, I doubt he could resist, especially given the kind of money that'd be on offer...
However, BR is a very clever manager and a great motivator, and so I think he could convince Suarez to stay for another season, and be part of a rather exciting period for Liverpool football club, as I sense some very good times are ahead (at long last!) ;)
Marco.
Maybe Suarez is looking for a club/league where biting results in a yellow card only?
chris@panteg
06-04-2014, 09:20
He is one hell of a player, be interesting to see how he performs at the world cup and how other teams deal with him?
To be honest I really do not see how Suarez fits in Real or Barca (although when has that ever stopped those clubs) They have players that play in a similar role and whilst he is a great player Barca have Messi and Real have Rolando
West Ham 1 Liverpool 2
:yay: :yay: :yay: :yay: :yay: :yay:
BRING ON MAN CITY next Sunday!!! :yesbruv: :yesbruv:
Marco.
To be honest I really do not see how Suarez fits in Real or Barca (although when has that ever stopped those clubs)...
That was pretty much my thinking, John. However, as you suggest, they could quite easily sign him as back-up!! :eek:
Marco.
kininigin
06-04-2014, 17:06
West Ham 1 Liverpool 2
:yay: :yay: :yay: :yay: :yay: :yay:
BRING ON MAN CITY next Sunday!!! :yesbruv: :yesbruv:
Marco.
That was a difficult game for us,but a good win in the end! Can't wait till next week! I've got a sneaky feeling that this is our year!
I've avoided posting on this thread all season for fear I would jinx things but it does seem to look like we will at least get Champions League football next season which is the best we could have hoped for at the start. 9 wins on the trotter it is a bit like the old days isn't it?
What I wrote way back on page 1 of this thread:
I think that the biggest improved team this year, in the top half of the table, will be Liverpool. They've always been my second team (after Celtic) and I'd love them to slowly return to their glory days! :)
;)
My top six predictions were slightly awry, however:
1. Man City
2. Arsenal
3. Chelsea
4. Man Utd
5. Liverpool
6. Tottenham (with Everton possibly level on points in 7th place, but with a poorer goal difference than Spurs).
I didn't suss the rise of Everton... Anyway, we'll see how it all ends up! :)
Marco.
twickers
06-04-2014, 22:55
1st Man United
2nd Chelsea
3rd Man City
4th Tottenham
5th Liverpool
I don't think United will find as easy as last season, but i still put them as favourites to retain the title. Certainly going to be more interesting this season.
Well Marco, i was absolutely miles off on my prediction. Pitiful! :eek:
Stratmangler
06-04-2014, 23:20
Anyone would think the season was over .... :rolleyes:
A dire performance from Arsenal today who forgot to bring a back four to Goodison Park, taking nothing away from Everton though who played superbly. We seem to have lost our belief :(
I don't understand Norwich's decision to sack Chris Hughton so close to the end of the season, especially considering their next fixture against Fulham is winnable. I know things haven't been going well at Norwich recently but letting your manager go five games from the end of the season is a bit shabby. Neil Lennon appears to be the bookies favourite to take over at City which would be an interesting development were it to happen, however it would be a massive blow for Celtic.
Neil Lennon appears to be the bookies favourite to take over at City which would be an interesting development were it to happen, however it would be a massive blow for Celtic.
Ha - if that happens, I'll parade around Wrexham in nothing but my Santa hat and pink tutu!! :lol:
Marco.
Arsenal year in year out lack strength in depth If they want to challenge they need to address that core issue. I still think Arsenal will finish 4th Everton have a pretty tough run in having to play both Mancgester Utd and City
This week game on Saturday for Liverpool and City should be a cracker, whoever wins it will be favourites.
What a great season
I've been saying for ages that Arsenal need a new manager, as Wenger has been past his best for a rather long time. However, I did think that he had one last 'hurrah' left in him before he went, which is why I thought he would pull out all the stops and deliver Arsenal the title this year.
Sadly (for Arsenal fans) that's not going to happen now, so Wenger really does need to go once the season is over, and make way for a new and younger manager with fresh ideas on how to take Arsenal forward, instead of the stale and ineffectual ones of a once great manager long past his sell-by date.
Marco.
Anyone would think the season was over .... :rolleyes:
Not at all, Chris. Surely, you don't begrudge us Liverpool fans getting just a tad excited at the prospect of winning our first league trophy in 24 years?
If it doesn't happen, then c'est la vie, we'll still have had a superb season, so we've got nothing to lose by 'daring to dream' for now! :)
Marco.
chris@panteg
07-04-2014, 07:43
I've been saying for ages that Arsenal need a new manager, as Wenger has been past his best for a rather long time. However, I did think that he had one last 'hurrah' left in him before he went, which is why I thought he would pull out all the stops and deliver Arsenal the title this year.
Sadly (for Arsenal fans) that's not going to happen now, so Wenger really does need to go once the season is over, and make way for a new and younger manager with fresh ideas on how to take Arsenal forward, instead of the stale and ineffectual ones of a once great manager long past his sell-by date.
Marco.
I'm afraid to say that's right, Wenger really should go and go quickly! After a disastrous 1st half with problems all over the pitch, what did he do? Nothing and waited till the 3rd goal before any changes?
Lost the plot completely, sad demise of a once great manager.
Ha - if that happens, I'll parade around Wrexham in nothing but my Santa hat and pink tutu!! :lol:
Marco.
When asked about it on MotD2 last night his response was not what I would expect from a guy who is hell bent on staying at his current post...
For example, "The Premier League is the place to be" and "The Scottish League is perhaps not as good...", all this from the man hisself ;)
For me Aresnal have several issues
Only one plan Not really able to adapt to change the game (no Plan B)
A lack of leadership on the pitch. When Aresnal were at their best they had players who would battle no matter what
A lack of players so when injuries hit they are not really able to cope. This seems to effect Aresnal every season
A Manager that needs to move upstairs Arsen was a great manager when he arrived. He transformed the premership but the game has moved on and he Arsen is more driven by a philoshy of the game than a more pragmatic approach
My choice would be Klopp he is loyal makes the best out of his resources and will bring the passion back to the team
When asked about it on MotD2 last night his response was not what I would expect from a guy who is hell bent on staying at his current post...
For example, "The Premier League is the place to be" and "The Scottish League is perhaps not as good...", all this from the man hisself ;)
Lol... He was just being polite with his fellow guests in the TV studio :)
For a more accurate assessment of the situation, see here (scroll down to the bottom): http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26916661
Celtic manager Neil Lennon is one of the bookmakers' favourites to take over in the long term. However, he told the BBC's Match of the Day 2 that he was not looking to leave the Scottish champions.
"It's always flattering to be linked with jobs," the 42-year-old said.
"I'm in a stable position at Celtic. I'm at a great club and it's a privilege to be their manager."
If that's what you were referring to, then you've interpreted his words rather differently from me.
Also, here (read the article and then play the sound-bite from BBC Radio Scotland of his interview after the Dundee Utd game): http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26901903
Trust me, as a diehard Celtic fan I follow these things very closely, and Neil Lennon is currently totally focussed on finishing the season with Celtic, obtaining a record points total in the SPL, and then adding to the team during the summer for next season's Champions League campaign, so unless a more tempting offer than the Norwich job comes along, he'll be staying put.
Marco.
Old George
07-04-2014, 10:42
Did you see today's 4-0 win away at Newcastle coming either, George? :eyebrows:
;)
Remove the City game from the equation, and Utd have been on a great run!
Listen to yer uncle Marco: right now, Moyes' job is as safe as houses - and he will eventually go onto become the next Fergie!! :trust:
Good wins for Man City and Chelsea keep things tight at the top.... Our game against West Ham tomorrow, I feel, could be a tough one...
Marco.
Nope Marco, did ANYONE see it coming? And would anyone been brave enough to bet on that result?
Actually starting Mata in his natural position paid dividends, as opposed to playing him on the wing. Mourinho had that sussed, Moyes needed a few clues.
Leaving Giggs in the old folks home is a plus point too. Young Buttner needs more starts, the kid impressed against Bayern. And subbing Young (who shouldn't have started) for Januzaj was sound tactically too.
Prior to the Newcastle game, losing two out of five is hardly a 'great run' mate. Moyes the next Fergie? Get a grip man! Even a geriatric past his sell by date Fergie could run tactical and psychological rings around Moyes. The next Frank O'Farrell or Dave Sexton might prove more accurate.
We're having a minor 'run' at the moment, a very creditable draw against Bayern and a win against the Geordies, i think our run comes to an end tomorrow night though.
I just hope Gigg's and Fellaini don't start, we might just have a faint glimmer of a chance if the pensioner and the donkey stay on the bench.
I'm still backing City to lift the title. Their only potentially tough games are against both Merseyside clubs, the rest they should sail through.
Stratmangler
08-04-2014, 20:44
You beauty!!!!!!!!!
:scratch:
Stratmangler
08-04-2014, 21:32
I understand now ;)
Good result - Friday's draw should prove interesting.
Rather than talking in riddles, chaps, which result are you referring to? :)
Marco.
Stratmangler
08-04-2014, 21:34
I'm assuming it's the Chelsea one.
Chelsea play madrid in the semis.
Yeah, against PSG... This mind-reading malarkey can be quite time-comsuming, though!! ;)
Marco.
I thought being the only prem team playing tonight it would be easy to suss out.:)
Stratmangler
08-04-2014, 21:48
There's a fixture draw on Friday.
https://31.media.tumblr.com/5daa10565a926286676f4856e85a0adb/tumblr_inline_n1zpnoG9ye1runjh4.gif
Stratmangler
08-04-2014, 21:50
There's a fixture draw on Friday
http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2014/matches/
Lol - it was Andrew's fault being cryptic to start with! ;)
TBH, I forgot all about the Chelsea game....
Marco.
There's a fixture draw on Friday
http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2014/matches/
Yes,for some reason i thought it was split into top 4 and bottom 4 so to speak.
Hopefully will get BM if they go through.
....hopefully they won't ;)
Although my head says that they probably will.
Marco.
If utd win it would be one of there best ever wins.
odds are 10/1 for them to win.
Stratmangler
08-04-2014, 22:14
If utd win it would be one of there best ever wins.
odds are 10/1 for them to win.
Well David Moyes looks to have a new tactical string to his bow.
Whoever would have thought that having players in their preferred positions would work? :rfl:
Hooray for Chelsea!
I would like to take those 10:1 odds offered on United. £10 : £100. The way I look at it is imagining they were to play 5 times. I think United would win one (at least). Bayern will be hard to rattle but a bit of luck (an early goal or a sending off) and hard on pressure could do it.
Old George
09-04-2014, 10:36
If utd win it would be one of there best ever wins.
odds are 10/1 for them to win.
It would certainly be our best win against them since '99. Shame Sheringham and Solskjær won't be in tonights lineup.:)
Well David Moyes looks to have a new tactical string to his bow.
Whoever would have thought that having players in their preferred positions would work? :rfl:
Give young Dave credit where it's due, he's a trend setter. :lol:
Brave effort by Utd, but Bayern's class told in the end...
Marco.
Old George
10-04-2014, 08:10
Brave effort by Utd, but Bayern's class told in the end...
Marco.
Exactly. No disgrace in losing, so now it's time to show some consistency in the handful of league games that are left.
chris@panteg
12-04-2014, 19:24
:dance:In the final
Sorry Wigan :sofa:
Stratmangler
12-04-2014, 20:11
Well done Arsenal for reaching the final.
Commiserations to Wigan - it was a shame it had to be decided by penalties.
Now go and keep yourselves in the playoff positions - you just might make it back up into the Premier League.
:cool:
Having zero interest in football (well maybe 0.0001% when its the world cup and England are playing) I take my son to watch HTFC now
and again as he is a season ticket holder (last season for him though as he is not a junior next season so it's gone up from £95 to £250).
Went to watch them against Bolton, played ok but Bolton got a goal in the dying minutes so we lost 1-0 at home. Then Ipswich drummed us
the following Tuesday, yesterday we went down to Derby to see some mates and watch the game, nice stadium. Bolton fans are quiet though!
Not like us singing all the way through even though we had 2 players sent off and our goalie dropped a cross into his own net...doh!
So lost 3 games in the space of 2 weeks, may go down if we don't win soon, Kyle my son is exceedingly clever, at York UNI studying maths and
economics, anyway he is also very clever at stats and football knowledge in general, hence the reason for this little ditty........
Dropped my wife and Kyle and daughter at the airport this morning at 5.00 am, on way back home gets a text from Kyle...............
Dad I am sat next to Dean Hoyle in the airport cafeteria! Now if only my shy son would pluck up the courage to politely give Deano some tips
which he is certainly capable of as he knows the town players strengths and weaknesses back to front, dream on!
chris@panteg
13-04-2014, 13:29
Great 1st half for Liverpool, city coming into it towards the end, should be some more goals in the 2nd half as city push forward.
chris@panteg
13-04-2014, 14:34
Great win for Liverpool, I know that Chris (Stratmangler) will be livid at that 3rd goal. That's footie though.
Great game. Could of gone either way
Well done Liverpool
Good result.
Not sure how suarez daley stayed on the pitch.
chris@panteg
13-04-2014, 15:06
Good result.
Not sure how suarez daley stayed on the pitch.
His antics were laughable ,just pray for some decent refs at the world cup ? I can see him getting a penalty though alas .
kininigin
13-04-2014, 18:11
CHAMPIONIES CHAMPIONIES O WAY O WAY O WAY!
COME ON THE REDS!
:clapclapclap:
CHAMPIONIES CHAMPIONIES O WAY O WAY O WAY!
COME ON THE REDS!
:clapclapclap:
dont get carried away just yet!
my wish of top 3 looks nailed on (almost) though.:cool:
Stratmangler
13-04-2014, 19:15
Tough game today.
Liverpool bossed the game first 30 minutes, and played well for the last 10.
Suarez should have seen a second booking for that blatant shameful dive in our penalty area - I wouldn't mind, but the ref had the clearest of views of the incident.
It was also shameful the way he dived into the back of Silva, and then made it look as though the big nasty man had poleaxed him.
Luis Suarez today reinforced my opinion of him - he's a dirty, lying, cheating scumbag.
He'll never be a great player because he hasn't got the mental fortitude to play the game with honour, and I'm surprised the Liverpool crowd tolerate his antics.
Skrtel should have been penalised for a couple of incidents.
His dragging on both Kompany's and Fernandinho's shirts during one corner kick was a penalty incident, as was his punching away of the ball during another corner kick.
Henderson's sending off was an unfortunate but correct decision.
Liverpool's 3rd goal?
Vinnie scuffed the ball instead of putting his laces through it - sometimes these things happen :doh:
I'm pretty sure Vinnie is putting himself through the grinder right now - he shouldn't.
So it's advantage Liverpool.
And there's no denying that the title is theirs to lose now, so no pressure, eh? :eyebrows:
We're playing Sunderland on Wednesday night - I'm hoping we can pull it together following today's disappointment
Stratmangler
13-04-2014, 19:17
Before I forget, it was a decent game today, largely a battle of the Titans affair,
Just back in from a sesh at Joe (Black Adder's) place, and caught the result! Needless to say, I'm over the moon!! :yay: :yay:
Looks like your team played well though, Chris. There's still plenty to play for yet! :)
Marco.
kininigin
14-04-2014, 09:47
dont get carried away just yet!
my wish of top 3 looks nailed on (almost) though.:cool:
No,i think i'll get carried away! After 24 years,how can't you?!
Stratmangler
14-04-2014, 22:11
I'm fully behind Arsenal on this issue - we had similar problems last season.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27028730
Why are supporters not given priority for the FA Cup Final?
They make the final the event that it is, yet have their noses shoved out at the main event.
I wouldn't mind, but an enormous amount of the tickets are given away within the FA at all levels. Bear in mind that we're talking right down to grass roots level here.
Totally agree Chris tickets should go to the fans..... Its a disgrace
No,i think i'll get carried away! After 24 years,how can't you?!
2009?
Stratmangler
15-04-2014, 21:51
2009?
2009 indeed!
I'm confident Liverpool will raise the league trophy this year, it being the 25th anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster and all. The motivation for doing so within the club is palpable, as could be evidenced by the passion of Brendan Rogers during his speech at the memorial service. I found it very moving...
Tough game today.
Luis Suarez today reinforced my opinion of him - he's a dirty, lying, cheating scumbag.
He'll never be a great player because he hasn't got the mental fortitude to play the game with honour, and I'm surprised the Liverpool crowd tolerate his antics.
I like Liverpool and their attacking style but I have have to agree with you. Winning the Premier League now would be a hollow victory. To me it is better to come second or third with honour. It rubs me the wrong way because there is a parallel with the 'justice' system - the judges are so easily deceived.
kininigin
16-04-2014, 08:24
2009?
And if we had the same team as back then,i'd agree! This time looks different to me!
Well, who'd have thunk it? Man City drop two points at home to bottom of the table Sunderland... :eek: :yesbruv:
Marco.
Stratmangler
16-04-2014, 22:16
Sunderland were poor.
City were worse.
The "equalizer" was because their keeper spilled the ball and it trickled over the line.
So much for keeping the pressure on, eh? :doh:
The lack of consistency must be disappointing for you, dude... Still, it's not over until the fat lady sings, eh? :)
Marco.
Stratmangler
16-04-2014, 22:36
She's got laryngitis around our way.
I think we've kissed goodbye to the title :(
All we have to play for now is a Champions League place for next season.
Their still might be a few more surprises this year
Old George
17-04-2014, 11:06
Their still might be a few more surprises this year
It's one of those seasons that will probably go to the wire, not a bad thing for the neutral fans who's team is out of contention (hands up all fellow Utd supporters!:rolleyes::D)
City must still have an hangover from the Liverpool game. On paper it was a three pointer for City last night, but at this stage of the season when clubs are fighting for survival nothing can be taken for granted.
Don't rule City out just yet, but things are looking good for Liverpool and Chelsea.
chris@panteg
20-04-2014, 06:47
Surely Liverpool's now, its going to be their year !
Surely Liverpool's now, its going to be their year !
Great to see Liverpool in top four. More chance to see their flamboyant attacking play in Europe. If they win the League, good for them too. The only downside for me is that they would also be contenders for the National diving competition as well.
It looks as though they could drop points and still win.
chris@panteg
22-04-2014, 07:09
Great to see Liverpool in top four. More chance to see their flamboyant attacking play in Europe. If they win the League, good for them too. The only downside for me is that they would also be contenders for the National diving competition as well.
It looks as though they could drop points and still win.
Yes I have to agree, Sturridge and Suarez will surely be contenders for next years Oscars lol
Looks like Moyes is on his way if the speculation is to be believed, was it the mail that started it??
Shame he was doing such a good job:eyebrows:
I think UTD will have to make a statement ASAP
Old George
22-04-2014, 07:40
I think UTD will have to make a statement ASAP
Here's a statement for you John, Moyes has been fired.
Best for the club and best for him.
Stratmangler
22-04-2014, 07:49
Here's a statement for you John, Moyes has been fired.
Best for the club and best for him.
Aye, just heard on the radio.
I didn't think the Glazers would give him another season - the value of their cash cow was on the line.
Totally out of his depth,had to go.
chris@panteg
22-04-2014, 08:15
Not sure I agree? Look at the squad he inherited, pretty poor really.
But they won the title easily 12 months ago.
chris@panteg
22-04-2014, 08:35
But they won the title easily 12 months ago.
Fergie was very skillful with this team but what about City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool ? They all had patchy and poor performance's all season, made it a hell of lot easier for utd, but this season its a different ball game and I think Liverpool would still be top regardless of who runs utd.
Moyes problem was his style of play.
Everton fans had enough of it and he tried to bring that to utd.
Was always going to end in tears.
chris@panteg
22-04-2014, 08:59
Moyes problem was his style of play.
Everton fans had enough of it and he tried to bring that to utd.
Was always going to end in tears.
Fair enough , its done now anyway so a new manager it is ,I wonder who ?
Yes,utd will want to get it right and not end up with a revolving door.
I am a Utd. fan of over 60 years and I'm sad to say I forecast his failure from early in his appointment - no satisfaction in being proved right I have to say.
IMHO he was the wrong guy (sorry Fergie), his experience of the Premier League was mainly of surviving on a budget - not what Utd. needed. They could have afforded to pay a salary that would have attracted any manager in the world but chose Moyes - why?
Moyes then largely ignored the talented and experienced team he inherited - not perfect by any means and some well past their 'sell by' date - and try to remould them into a team built around Fellaini, his Everton man. Fellaini, who he??? Good player in some senses maybe but not a world class player (IMO) that justified completely rebuilding a new team and style of play around him.
Moyes' demise was inevitable as soon as it became apparent that his plan A was failing and he seemed to have no plan B, except to try and shore up plan A by signing Mata, with limited success.
It will be interesting to see if they appoint another Manager with potential or a proven one with success at the highest level - I know which option my money would be on.
Dave.
PS
£10m payout - not a bad reward for failure though is it? Not in the top banker league but not bad anyway :( .
Old George
22-04-2014, 09:08
Aye, just heard on the radio.
I didn't think the Glazers would give him another season - the value of their cash cow was on the line.
He should never have been appointed Chris, remember that old adage.....'Big clubs need big managers', it's as simple as that.
There was question marks about Pellegrini being appointed, but at least he inherited a strong squad, and his style of football to attack the opposition. It's good to watch, which is more than can be said about Moyes predictable overcautious style.
Wow that was fast
He did get eleven months John, it could be argued that he should have gone late last year or early new year.
Totally out of his depth,had to go.
In a nutshell.
Not sure I agree? Look at the squad he inherited, pretty poor really.
Agreed, but it shows that even a geriatric Fergie could still inspire and motivate. Moyes never had the respect or control of the dressing room.
But they won the title easily 12 months ago.
Other teams were inconsistent, but it does not alter the fact that Fergie won the title with a poor side. Gigg's and Scholes being prime examples, add to that a weak defence and it was a shock we won anything last season.
Old George
22-04-2014, 09:19
I am a Utd. fan of over 60 years and I'm sad to say I forecast his failure from early in his appointment - no satisfaction in being proved right I have to say.
IMHO he was the wrong guy (sorry Fergie), his experience of the Premier League was mainly of surviving on a budget - not what Utd. needed. They could have afforded to pay a salary that would have attracted any manager in the world but chose Moyes - why?
Moyes then largely ignored the talented and experienced team he inherited - not perfect by any means and some well past their 'sell by' date - and try to remould them into a team built around Fellaini, his Everton man. Fellaini, who he??? Good player in some senses maybe but not a world class player (IMO) that justified completely rebuilding a new team and style of play around him.
Moyes' demise was inevitable as soon as it became apparent that his plan A was failing and he seemed to have no plan B, except to try and shore up plan A by signing Mata, with limited success.
It will be interesting to see if they appoint another Manager with potential or a proven one with success at the highest level - I know which option my money would be on.
Dave.
PS
£10m payout - not a bad reward for failure though is it? Not in the top banker league but not bad anyway :( .
Fair comment Dave, a lot of us got a shock at Moyes appointment, Fergie was a great manager but clueless at appointing a successor. As i've said time and time again 'Big clubs need big managers' remember what happened when Busby resigned the first time? We had Wilf McGuinness followed by Frank O'Farrell after busby's second stint, both proved useless. And let's forget about Dave Sexton.
Top contenders for the job are.........Louis Van Gaal,Jurgen Klopp,Diego Simeone, and Laurent Blanc
All the above bring experience and silverware to the table, especially Van Gaal.
chris@panteg
22-04-2014, 09:21
He should never have been appointed Chris, remember that old adage.....'Big clubs need big managers', it's as simple as that.
There was question marks about Pellegrini being appointed, but at least he inherited a strong squad, and his style of football to attack the opposition. It's good to watch, which is more than can be said about Moyes predictable overcautious style.
He did get eleven months John, it could be argued that he should have gone late last year or early new year.
In a nutshell.
Agreed, but it shows that even a geriatric Fergie could still inspire and motivate. Moyes never had the respect or control of the dressing room.
Other teams were inconsistent, but it does not alter the fact that Fergie won the title with a poor side. Gigg's and Scholes being prime examples, add to that a weak defence and it was a shock we won anything last season.
A lot of utd fans I know here have said the same .
StanleyB
22-04-2014, 09:29
I had one of my early season predictions wrong. I predicted that Moyes wouldn't make it past Christmas. He made it past Easter, just :doh:.
I must do better the next season.
Old George
22-04-2014, 10:06
I had one of my early season predictions wrong. I predicted that Moyes wouldn't make it past Christmas. He made it past Easter, just :doh:.
I must do better the next season.
Stan, if it's any consolation the board discussed dumping him in February! Giggs in charge until the end of the season, Nicky Butt to assist.
I think the timing was that he had to be dumped before he spent any more money.
I think the timing was that he had to be dumped before he spent any more money.
Yes,could have been a mess if he had been given £200 mill.
Still have no idea why he was offered the job to start with.
Yes,could have been a mess if he had been given £200 mill.
Still have no idea why he was offered the job to start with.
Exactly. A football manager is a difficult job to fill, but surely they were in no rush knowing in advance that Ferg was retiring.
Old George
22-04-2014, 13:32
I think the timing was that he had to be dumped before he spent any more money.
That's only part of the answer, even if he had bought top flight players would they have performed for him? Based on the evidence, NO.
Whoever comes in will need a couple of seasons to get up to top speed.....Maybe. Lets not put too much emphasise on the transfer budget in the region of £200 Million, it's not about what is spent, rather who is bought.
StanleyB
22-04-2014, 14:17
What price for failure? £1,000000.00 a month. I wouldn't have asked Moyes to organize a p-up in a brewery, let alone take charge at MU.
Old George
22-04-2014, 17:36
And the reason why Moyes didn't get the push earlier? The board had to make sure that Champions league football was mathematically impossible, if we had qualified then Moyes would have got five years severance pay. Non qualification and it's just a years pay, cynical or good business on behalf of the Glazers?
You decide....;)
I suppose Chelsea are in a better position than they were against PSG.
Chelsea 1 - Athletico 0 = Chelsea, whereas they previously needed 2 - 0.
I think the secret must be to keep Athletico goalless.
Chelsea 1 - Athletico 1 = Athletico.
chris@panteg
23-04-2014, 22:33
And the reason why Moyes didn't get the push earlier? The board had to make sure that Champions league football was mathematically impossible, if we had qualified then Moyes would have got five years severance pay. Non qualification and it's just a years pay, cynical or good business on behalf of the Glazers?
You decide....;)
Apparently shares in utd have gone up by £110 million, fancy that??
Stratmangler
23-04-2014, 22:39
Apparently shares in utd have gone up by £110 million, fancy that??
It's no surprise.
That's all the love the Glazers have for the club.
Apparently shares in utd have gone up by £110 million, fancy that??
Boy oh boy, just think of the killing David Moyes must have made. Buy a ton of shares after the Everton game and sell them now. He is one lucky guy ... or maybe he doesn't think like that, and regards that as Insider Trading. :D
There's not much point getting into this, Stu.
We'll just have to agree to disagree about Moyes, as no doubt I'll continue having to do with other critics of his here. In the last two games Utd have played very well, and I see that trend continuing (although not necessarily against City in the next match).
Let's just say that when (at some point) Moyes wins the title with Utd, I'll make a point of highlighting your comments here... ;)
Marco.
:)
I suppose Chelsea are in a better position than they were against PSG.
Chelsea 1 - Athletico 0 = Chelsea, whereas they previously needed 2 - 0.
I think the secret must be to keep Athletico goalless.
Chelsea 1 - Athletico 1 = Athletico.
Think chelsea will struggle with AM at home.
Really to could do with 2 1st half goals to counter there possible away goal.
We need to play far more attacking football on wednesday.
Also injuries are not helping.
Think chelsea will struggle with AM at home.
Really to could do with 2 1st half goals to counter there possible away goal.
We need to play far more attacking football on wednesday.
Also injuries are not helping.
The away goal rule means one of two (initial) strategies: One is to keep AM goalless, the other is to score two goals. I prefer the first strategy but the concern is a 0 - 0 Draw. Even with Cech I would not fancy a shootout - that Athletico goalie is an octopus.
Old George
24-04-2014, 09:56
Apparently shares in utd have gone up by £110 million, fancy that??
They dipped by over £200 Million earlier in the season Chris. I wouldn't read too much into share value at this moment in time, but the departure of Moyes and the promise that a more experienced manager will follow has made the 'spiv's' happy.
It's no surprise.
That's all the love the Glazers have for the club.
Exactly Chris. As most Utd supporters know, the Glazers are ruthless businessmen no more no less. No sentiment for the club, and no understanding of the game.
All they understand is a balance sheet.
Old George
24-04-2014, 09:59
Think chelsea will struggle with AM at home.
Really to could do with 2 1st half goals to counter there possible away goal.
We need to play far more attacking football on wednesday.
Also injuries are not helping.
Have some faith lad! The chosen one will field a weakened side against Liverpool because his eye is on the big game.
Chelsea for the final!;):D
fed up with reading about this so called weakened team.
it falls into 2 categories..... 1) mind games and 2) utter bollox.
fed up with reading about this so called weakened team.
it falls into 2 categories..... 1) mind games and 2) utter bollox.
Czech out,terry out,ramiers out,hazard out.
It is a weakened team even if he chooses to put out his best.
Is a real shame as it could have been an interesting game.
Stratmangler
24-04-2014, 17:18
Norwich came close to causing a major upset for Liverpool t'other day, and I'm sure that Mourinho has done his homework for this weekend's game.
It will be an interesting game, that's a certainty!
Mourinho loves his mind games
He is the master at them.
Czech out,terry out,ramiers out,hazard out.
It is a weakened team even if he chooses to put out his best.
Is a real shame as it could have been an interesting game.
the injuries were not really what i was getting at. i was referring to his reported intention of resting the remaining players that are fit for the CL 2nd leg.
i do not believe for one minute that he has given up on the epl title. so as i said mind games and U/B . (imo, of course ;) )
for what it is worth, i actually hope Chelsea win the CL.
on a side note, the odds for chelsea winning on sunday is a tempting punt. our winning streak has to end sometime soon !?
He would only really be helping city by beating liverpool,so can understand if he puts out a weak team.
Stratmangler
24-04-2014, 21:02
He would only really be helping city by beating liverpool,so can understand if he puts out a weak team.
If Chelsea win the next game it might make Liverpool wobble, and possibly lose another.
Chelsea winning the next three games is a distinct possibility.
Now if City win all their remaining games in this scenario then they have the title. Reality check - we have to play Crystal Palace on their own patch, which is no mean feat, and then take all the points from a strong and confident Everton side at Goodison Park.
It's a big ask.
So Chelsea end up with the title?
I don't see Mourinho rolling over just yet ...
Me neither,but better chance of cl at the moment.
He will send the team out to get a result but it has been weakened a lot with injury and suspension.
chris@panteg
27-04-2014, 15:10
Me neither,but better chance of cl at the moment.
He will send the team out to get a result but it has been weakened a lot with injury and suspension.
You got to be well chuffed with the 2-0 today, big setback for Gerrard today but he'll get over it.
Stratmangler
27-04-2014, 17:07
A week and a half ago I thought we'd kissed the title goodbye.
Today has been a very good day :D
A week and a half ago I thought we'd kissed the title goodbye.
Today has been a very good day :D
no it aint :(
You got to be well chuffed with the 2-0 today, big setback for Gerrard today but he'll get over it.
Yes very.
Haven't seen it yet as have been at work.
was obvious how JM would set chelsea up but expected a draw at best.
Stratmangler
27-04-2014, 18:09
Yes very.
Haven't seen it yet as have been at work.
was obvious how JM would set chelsea up but expected a draw at best.
Much respect from these quarters.
JM set Chelsea up to do the same today as they did at ours - stop your opponent from playing and try to grind a result out.
It might not look pretty, but it works.
The 2nd goal was a bit of a piss take - I'm surprised that Willian didn't drop to his knees and head the ball in.
May fate smile kindly on you on Wednesday night - you've still got a hill to climb.
For us Goodison Park is a daunting place to visit next Saturday :eek:
Stratmangler
27-04-2014, 18:13
no it aint :(
She's a cruel mistress is football.
And the season is not over yet.
It looks like this season is going to the wire.
Yes,will there be one final twist left?
Hope we don't go for a nil - nil on wed,need to be more positive incase AM score a late goal.
Would like to see us try and score 2 in the first hour.
chris@panteg
27-04-2014, 18:54
That error by Stevie G reminded me of a similar mishap by Norman Hunter vs Poland on an October night in 73 .
I'm starting to get impressed by Ba. He is coming up with the goods when it matters. Is he lucky or do you make your own luck by being in the right place at the right time?
Jose Capablanca: "Good players are always lucky".
Gary Player: "The more I practice the luckier I get".
Stratmangler
28-04-2014, 17:56
I'm starting to get impressed by Ba. He is coming up with the goods when it matters. Is he lucky or do you make your own luck by being in the right place at the right time?
Jose Capablanca: "Good players are always lucky".
Gary Player: "The more I practice the luckier I get".
Ba is a good player, although Mourinho doesn't seem to think too much of him.
Possibly it's because Benitez bought him in.
He's had about 900 minutes of football for Chelsea this season :mental:
That error by Stevie G reminded me of a similar mishap by Norman Hunter vs Poland on an October night in 73 .
bit before my time that one ! ;)
She's a cruel mistress is football.
And the season is not over yet.
It looks like this season is going to the wire.
i have become a pessimistic sod over the last 24 years ;)
Stratmangler
28-04-2014, 22:21
i have become a pessimistic sod over the last 24 years ;)
Your lot have got to play Crystal Palace at weekend.
We have to play Everton.
We could both lose.
That would be a turn up for Chelsea, eh?
Your lot have got to play Crystal Palace at weekend.
We have to play Everton.
We could both lose.
That would be a turn up for Chelsea, eh?
yep that would be great for them as i cant see them struggling to beat norwich.
i can see our 2 games being draws.
yep that would be great for them as i cant see them struggling to beat norwich.
Oh yee of little faith - we're going to hammer them! :lol:
Well, at least I can look forward to the East Anglian derby again next season!
Oh yee of little faith - we're going to hammer them! :lol:
Well, at least I can look forward to the East Anglian derby again next season!
i would love it if you just held them to a draw!
going back to the everton / city match. will everton be "up for it"?
it is unlikely they will beat arsenal to 4th now so do they really want europa league? (does any team?)
and do they really want to help us to the title?
Stratmangler
29-04-2014, 18:54
The Everton v City game is massive.
I can't see Roberto Martinez preparing a side to solely defend, and he will want his team to win.
The Palace v Liverpool game is massive.
Tony Pulis will have his players fully motivated to play to win.
The Chelsea v Norwich game will be interesting, and potentially massive.
Norwich more than threatened Liverpool during their recent encounter, and almost managed to cause Liverpool serious upset.
Neil Adams' players have everything to play for, and you never know, with their last 2 games they could cause some upsets and manage to stay up.
Mourinho will have to view Norwich as a serious threat, because if he doesn't he might find that they bite him on the bum.
Sunderland's game in hand might go against Sunderland - they're looking at three big games in eight days.
i see city just beat everton.
that was the one game i thought they may drop points. imo its all over now.
surprised united lost too
Stratmangler
03-05-2014, 19:13
Two games left.
Nothing is taken for granted.
Villa on Wednesday night for us. We have to beat Villa.
Then we have to beat West Ham on the following Sunday.
I'm looking forward to being at both games.
C'mon City!
Remember what I said about the fat lady singing, Chris! ;)
Marco.
Stratmangler
03-05-2014, 20:05
Remember what I said about the fat lady singing, Chris! ;)
Marco.
What bit about not taking things for granted is difficult to understand?
I have merely stated facts.
We have two more Cup Finals to come, and they're both home games, so I will be at both of them.
We have to win both games too.
C'mon City!
I'm under no illusions either - Villa are not safe from the drop, so they'll be playing for their lives.
What bit about not taking things for granted is difficult to understand?
I have merely stated facts.
We have two more Cup Finals to come, and they're both home games, so I will be at both of them.
We have to win both games too.
C'mon City!
I'm under no illusions either - Villa are not safe from the drop, so they'll be playing for their lives.
not if we drop points you dont.
Stratmangler
03-05-2014, 20:46
not if we drop points you dont.
Are you that pessimistic about your chances at Crystal Palace?
Are you that pessimistic about your chances at Crystal Palace?
yep
and while villa are not mathematically safe, there is only norwich to worry about for them.
"I have merely stated facts." ;)
Stratmangler
03-05-2014, 21:04
yep
and while villa are not mathematically safe, there is only norwich to worry about for them.
"I have merely stated facts." ;)
Until I hear that Chelsea have beaten Norwich tomorrow then Villa pose a real threat.
And if Chelsea win then we have to beat Villa in order to lessen the Chelsea threat.
There's plenty of scope for things going pear shaped.
I wouldn't write off Liverpool's chances just yet ...
What bit about not taking things for granted is difficult to understand?
You've misunderstood me, mate. Remember when you were moaning about how City were out of it, after you'd dropped a few points recently, and I said that "It's not over until the fat lady sings"? Well, that's what I was referring to now, as in City are still very much in it! :)
Marco.
Stratmangler
03-05-2014, 22:06
There may well be another twist to come yet.
If Chelsea win tomorrow, and Liverpool get beaten on Monday (as Simon [Oldson] is expecting), what's the betting that Villa will come to ours and leave with 1 or 3 points? :eek:
Villa taking 1 point would be awful, but taking all 3 would be disastrous ...
I'm not going to point out the obvious.
The flipside scenario is that the other important fixtures go City's way and the title could be decided by City winning on Wednesday night.
I wouldn't care to guess which way it's going to go, I just know that there's still a way to go, and nothing can be taken for granted.
Regardless of what happens over the next couple of days, I am very much looking forward to Wednesday night's game.
I'm also hopeful that Sergio hasn't got a serious injury, and that nothing ails Yaya - they're both massive players for us.
Was toure injured today?
Seems strange if he was taken off if he wasn't.
Stratmangler
04-05-2014, 06:47
I don't know.
I have a feeling that he might not have fully recovered from his injury in the Liverpool game.
Aguero going off was a worry, but should be fine for the Villa game according to his tweet
Thank you for your concern. I left just as a precaution. Fortunately I'm fine, happy for the goal, the win and keeping our dream alive.
3 points will secure 2nd now, thanks to the canaries. :)
Indeed - we're still in there, though, for the big prize. Roll on tomorrow night against Palace, which will not be an easy game... Regardless of that, good luck to whichever team wins the title, Man City or Liverpool.
Even if Liverpool don't win it, we'll still have had a cracking season! :)
Marco.
Indeed - we're still in there, though, for the big prize. Roll on tomorrow night against Palace, which will not be an easy game... Regardless of that, good luck to whichever team wins the title, Man City or Liverpool.
Even if Liverpool don't win it, we'll still have had a cracking season! :)
Marco.
lets hope for more of the same next season.
after competing for the title in 2009 we dropped right off the pace. i just hope history dont repeat itself. the summer transfer window is just as important as the next 2 games.(if not more so)
Chelsea will be strengthening there squad as will utd and i expect Arsenal.
Think this was Liverpools big chance to win it.
If suarez goes that will put a massive dent in the team.
Chelsea will be strengthening there squad as will utd and i expect Arsenal.
Think this was Liverpools big chance to win it.
If suarez goes that will put a massive dent in the team.
i understand where you are coming from.
Suarez going may not be all doom and gloom, depending on the fee and how it is spent.
united should improve next year and ,like us this year ,they will concentrate on the epl without euro distractions.
chelsea will be my favourites for the title IF they buy 2 top class strikers.
city will be up there too.
as it stands in the top four ourselves and arsenal are the weakest links. but that could change.
Stratmangler
04-05-2014, 19:51
Today's result is welcome round here.
All eyes are now on Selhurst Park for tomorrow night.
Stratmangler
05-05-2014, 20:57
What a fight back by Palace.
Serious respect :yay:
chris@panteg
05-05-2014, 21:43
What a fight back by Palace.
Serious respect :yay:
3-0 up with 12 mins left, kamikaze football, Liverpool fans must be feeling pretty sick, great for city.
Stratmangler
05-05-2014, 21:54
3-0 up with 12 mins left, kamikaze football, Liverpool fans must be feeling pretty sick, great for city.
City have to capitalise on this on Wednesday night.
Tonight was a great result for us, but we need calm heads and merciless, clinical finishing in the Villa game.
Wednesday night is either going to be full of squeaky bums, or The Etihad is going to be a cauldron of emotion and desire.
Two games to go, and our destiny is in our hands!
C'mon City!
You never know what villa is going to turn up.
Can be brilliant or dire.
Palace were great i thought,pullis has done miracles there.
Stratmangler
05-05-2014, 22:11
You never know what villa is going to turn up.
Can be brilliant or dire.
Palace were great i thought,pullis has done miracles there.
Palace showed real character - most teams would have caved in and thought of the holidays.
It really goes to show that it ain't over 'til the fat lady sings.
I'm hoping that Villa have their heads on the sun loungers ....
3-0 up with 12 mins left, kamikaze football, Liverpool fans must be feeling pretty sick, great for city.
3 -3 I don't believe it. Were there any witnesses?
chris@panteg
05-05-2014, 22:42
3 -3 I don't believe it. Were there any witnesses?
I think they went off to commit hari kari, some sloppy defending and sticking 7 in the palace box at 3-1 up?? What were they thinking? Just win the game.
Stratmangler
05-05-2014, 22:54
I think they went off to commit hari kari, some sloppy defending and sticking 7 in the palace box at 3-1 up?? What were they thinking? Just win the game.
That's what surprised me.
Liverpool should have shut the game down and dragged their feet, the same as City did at Everton on Saturday.
Sometimes you have to win ugly, and tonight was one of those nights for Liverpool.
It's not over yet by a long chalk, but I'm going to do my damnedest to be a 12th man on Wednesday night, along with 46,000 like minded faithful.
Whatever happens on Wednesday night, it won't be signed and sealed and delivered.
We'll have to wait to see what happens on Sunday.
Phew, who just farted?
I thought tough for Liverpool It showed the area Liverpool where they need to improve Been a great season so many twists and turns. For me Pulis manager of the season totally transformed Place
StanleyB
06-05-2014, 05:38
Poyet would be my pick for manager of the season. He did the impossible with a bunch of misfits.
Poyet has done a really good job
chris@panteg
06-05-2014, 07:26
That's what surprised me.
Liverpool should have shut the game down and dragged their feet, the same as City did at Everton on Saturday.
Sometimes you have to win ugly, and tonight was one of those nights for Liverpool.
It's not over yet by a long chalk, but I'm going to do my damnedest to be a 12th man on Wednesday night, along with 46,000 like minded faithful.
Whatever happens on Wednesday night, it won't be signed and sealed and delivered.
We'll have to wait to see what happens on Sunday.
Phew, who just farted?
I know what you mean Chris, loads of Liverpool fans have given up, but if I were a city fan I wouldn't be happy until 84 or 86 points reached.
What a finish to the season though, and we still have the world cup to come.
Old George
06-05-2014, 07:40
3-0 up and the benefit scroungers blow it, was Moyes covering for Rodgers? I'd be gutted if i was a Liverpool fan.
I tipped City to win the title earlier in the season (even though i wanted Liverpool to win it) and last nights result should spur them on, it really is City's to lose now.
I'm confident of a top seven finish for United now we have the new 'Guardiola' in charge for the rest of the season.:rolleyes::D
julesd68
06-05-2014, 17:51
3-0 up and the benefit scroungers blow it, was Moyes covering for Rodgers? I'd be gutted if i was a Liverpool fan
:lol:
I had a Palace season ticket back in the early 90's and I will never forget watching Liverpool absolutely destroy them - think it was the first game of the season! So this result was very sweet for me indeed. 11th place for a team everyone thought was going down is beyond all expectation and hope Mr Pulis is now backed to take the club to the next level...
i reckon we need to buy 20 defenders in the summer.
with a bit of luck there would be 4 good,ens among them.
Old George
06-05-2014, 18:04
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11th place for a team everyone thought was going down is beyond all expectation and hope Mr Pulis is now backed to take the club to the next level...
I would be more than happy for Mr Pulis to be in charge next season if i was a palace supporter too Julian.
i reckon we need to buy 20 defenders in the summer.
with a bit of luck there would be 4 good,ens among them.
having said that, questions must arise about the quality of the defensive coaching at the club.
BR has done brilliant job so far, but there is a long way to go to get back to the level we were at in the late 70's to lat 80's. if thats at all possible?
Poyet has done a really good job
I took a shine to Poyet after the Capital One cup win against United. Golly, gosh, and crumbs! Those Sunderland fans who traveled to Old Trafford earned their reward.
On a note of black humour: The Telegraph's prognosis for the Norwich's last game is: "The final game of the season is now likely to resemble a wake ..."
i reckon we need to buy 20 defenders in the summer.
with a bit of luck there would be 4 good,ens among them.
The Liverpool 'defence' is surely a thing of wonder, but I actually like it inasmuch as it is part of the full package. And then there is Martin Skrtel. Just for starters he gives the opposition the shits for no other reason than his skull-like expression. And 'Blocked by Skrtel' is surely the most oft-used commentator's phrase in the entire Premier League. ("A good Old-Fashioned ... " would come a close second.) Finally, he helped redefine the SAS from 'Suarez and Sturridge' to 'Stirling and Skrtel'. His pinpoint accuracy into the goal is only tarnished by the fact that as often as not it is his own goal, but he is not the only player who is geographically challenged.
Stratmangler
09-05-2014, 20:22
Any predictions for Sunday?
I'll make one - West Ham to score first at The Etihad ..... :eyebrows:
3-1 to west ham......no i'll go 4-0 to city.
City have played some good football and have deserved to win it.
All in all a great season
I predicted Utd might struggle to get in the top 4 this year but I did not think they not get in the top 6
Their been 2 great escapes this year Sunderland and Palace both looked doomed but the new managers helped turn the team around
Next year I fear for Arsenal if they do not buy as Utd will be a very different team.
Next season could be even more competitive with Utd and Chelsea both being stronger
The team I enjoyed watching the most this year has been Liverpool but I think City strength in depth will be the difference
Liverpool have had a great season and good fun to watch.
Don't think they will make the top 4 next season though.
Liverpool have had a great season and good fun to watch.
Don't think they will make the top 4 next season though.
based on ?
i think ,for me, it depends now on the summer transfer window.
if Suarez stays and we strengthen the squad, i see no reason why we would not compete again
Stratmangler
10-05-2014, 22:09
Liverpool have had a great season and good fun to watch.
Don't think they will make the top 4 next season though.
I didn't enjoy the antics of Suarez in either the home or the away match against City.
It's a pity that Clattenburg didn't have the balls to properly adjudicate the game at Anfield - Suarez should have been 2nd yellow carded for the farcical dive he made vaguely in the same vicinity as Martin Demichaelis.
based on ?
i think ,for me, it depends now on the summer transfer window.
if Suarez stays and we strengthen the squad, i see no reason why we would not compete again
City may strengnthen,chelsea will,arse and utd wil.
Teams will suss out how to play liverpool better next season and br may need to change tactics.
Also i think they may struggle once the cl starts.
If suarez goes it will be a huge loss.
chris@panteg
11-05-2014, 16:06
Man City, worthy champions, Liverpool an excellent season and 2nd place but if I were a Liverpool fan, I'd be gutted how it ended, but that's footie for you.
Congratulations to Man City! :mex:
:clap: :clap:
I'm pleased for ya, Chris (Strat). No doubt you'll be out celebrating tonight, so sink a few frothies on me :cool: :cool:
Marco.
Stratmangler
11-05-2014, 18:05
It's been a great afternoon for me, and nice to see the title come back to The Etihad.
A few weeks ago and I honestly thought we'd kissed goodbye to it.
Come August and it all starts off again.
I can barely wait .....:D
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