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i am sure if linn started making pimped techies under their name it would soon be the greatest thing sinced sliced bread:doh:
Oldpinkman
08-12-2014, 16:40
I've seen your Gyro/Orbe but not heard it obviously but I guess it would be a tough act to beat. If you haven't done it already try the Technics with a different mat and a quality headshell and a good MM cart. No other pimping. And then report back how much that closed the gap. I'm guessing it will be a lot.
I wondered if I'd find the famous M&M on this thread if I peeked. You took all the fun out of the "badge" point by conceding that some could distinguish the features of "better" turntables - other than rely on badge. (speaking of badges, you have no idea the pain inflicted on my by TAS - I now have a Linn Records folder on my PC!!!:doh:)
However, regarding closing the gap, whilst conceding I too don't know GazJams deck, I feel mat and headshell aren't going to do it. The other half of the M&M team disagrees with me, but I feel the arm has a very substantial influence on how the record player as a whole sounds. And the stock technics arm is serviceable but far from special. And that is primarily mechanical. No amount of rewiring is going to fix that. And that isn't a badge fixated comment. I have played with SL1200's, with different mats and headshells, and platters - and arms. The arm differences were the whoppers - in both absolute and bang for buck terms.
It depends a bit what floats your boat - or on which aspect of music you most focus (and I know, if we can, we want to get everything perfect, and have no compromises, but...). So my comments must be seen in the context of what I enjoy - that "speakerless" quality of precise real sounds in space in the room that Sovereign alluded to here or elsewhere. And in that context the stock technics arm throws a woolly blanket over what can be heard with better equipment. In my experience :cool:
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However, regarding closing the gap, whilst conceding I too don't know GazJams deck, I feel mat and headshell aren't going to do it. The other half of the M&M team disagrees with me, but I feel the arm has a very substantial influence on how the record player as a whole sounds. And the stock technics arm is serviceable but far from special. And that is primarily mechanical. No amount of rewiring is going to fix that. And that isn't a badge fixated comment. I have played with SL1200's, with different mats and headshells, and platters - and arms. The arm differences were the whoppers - in both absolute and bang for buck terms.
It depends a bit what floats your boat - or on which aspect of music you most focus (and I know, if we can, we want to get everything perfect, and have no compromises, but...). So my comments must be seen in the context of what I enjoy - that "speakerless" quality of precise real sounds in space in the room that Sovereign alluded to here or elsewhere. And in that context the stock technics arm throws a woolly blanket over what can be heard with better equipment. In my experience :cool:
I don't disagree with any of that except that you'll note I said that the gap would be less not eliminated with the two simple and cheap mods I suggested. In other words the SL1200 will have got a lot better, You can leave the Gyro out of it really. My point is that any comparison using a Technics that has not had at least these two changes made is not relevant to discussions about it's suitability as a hi-fi deck.
I wondered if I'd find the famous M&M on this thread if I peeked… {Snip}... The other half of the M&M team disagrees with me, but I feel the arm has a very substantial influence on how the record player as a whole sounds.
Que??
M&M team? Wossat, then? You’re being too cryptic again, shweety. Instead spit out, in no uncertain terms, what it is you mean! ;)
Marco.
Given all the guys who use 'em, and having heard a fully modded techie myself, I've no doubt they respond really well to mods, given just how good the basic motor is.
Not so fussed about trying mods on the 1210's myself (my brothers a tight git and it took long enough for him to but some decent wiring and plugs for them!)
He's more of a DJ user and will be using the wheels of steel to do his mixing.
Shame really, but there you go! :)
walpurgis
08-12-2014, 17:48
its the same as people who buy a voltswagon over the Skoda equ. Skodas are better made have basically the same technologhy and are way cheaper but dont have the badge which is important to many who like to be one ahead of their friends or neighbours etc. sad but true...bmw buyers have the disease bad
Don't agree. The standard of finish is excellent across all VW group products. Volkswagen/SEAT/Skoda/Audi, from what I've seen, are equally good. Bentley/Bugatti/Lamborghini/Porsche being the prestige ranges will presumably have a touch more 'product control', although the Audi R8s I've looked at match the Lambos for sheer quality of turn out.
When I got my Skoda 6/7 years ago they were top of the charts for build and Volts were way down the list due to shoddy workmanship. My brother even stopped buying them for that reason.
Que??
M&M team? Wossat, then? You’re being too cryptic again, shweety. Instead spit out, in no uncertain terms, what it is you mean! ;)
:popcorn: :popcorn:
Marco.
JD Power survey 2014 http://www.whatcar.com/awards/jdpower/2014/categories
VW top in 4 / 10 Categories, Skoda top in one with the second placed car a VW :D ;)
They should be very similar given the shared DNA
JD power 2007
The car makers...
1 Lexus
Rating 86.2%
Lexus repeats its 2006 result. Why? Owners get a comfy car they can rely on, plus quality service at the dealers.
2= Honda
Rating 84.5%
Like it did in 2006, Honda comes second. It's no real surprise: Honda makes user-friendly, reliable cars.
2= Skoda
Rating 84.5%
They may not have the prestige of VW, but Skodas are solid, good-value cars that give their owners few headaches.
walpurgis
08-12-2014, 23:45
JD Power survey 2014 http://www.whatcar.com/awards/jdpower/2014/categories
VW top in 4 / 10 Categories, Skoda top in one with the second placed car a VW :D ;)
They should be very similar given the shared DNA
SEAT, Audi, VW and Skoda models share much. Some common floorpan/chassis types, engines and running gear, so any difference in results is probably coincidental. I'm not aware of any range within VW group being compromised on quality standards.
I rather fancy a Yeti myself.
Oldpinkman
09-12-2014, 06:50
:popcorn: :popcorn:
Marco.
Marco & Macca techie fan club :D
Just say that, then! :D
Thing is, we’ve got 30-odd years of belt-drive brainwashing to break down, so you must forgive some occasional ‘over-exuberance’ ;)
Marco.
JD power 2007
The car makers...
1 Lexus
Rating 86.2%
Lexus repeats its 2006 result. Why? Owners get a comfy car they can rely on, plus quality service at the dealers.
2= Honda
Rating 84.5%
Like it did in 2006, Honda comes second. It's no real surprise: Honda makes user-friendly, reliable cars.
2= Skoda
Rating 84.5%
They may not have the prestige of VW, but Skodas are solid, good-value cars that give their owners few headaches.
Cool, but can you see the common denominator there amongst all those traits? Two words sum it up: safe and boring. That’s the problem with most of today’s cars: they’re definitely reliable and ‘user-friendly', but also achingly mundane! ;)
What happened to cars that ignited your PASSION, provided a THRILL FACTOR, when behind the wheel, and that stood out from the crowd? Personally, I wouldn’t own a car that didn’t deliver on both of those counts, as well as the others previously mentioned.
Outside of the specialist sector, these days we’re simply churning out soulless homogenised metal (although increasingly more plastic) boxes, designed in Blandsville, on reliability and safety, but which ultimately suck all the fun out of driving!!
[Sorry, just a wee early morning rant - I feel much better now :eyebrows:]
Marco.
walpurgis
09-12-2014, 09:39
What happened to cars that ignited your PASSION, provided a THRILL FACTOR, when behind the wheel, and that stood out from the crowd? Personally, I wouldn’t own a car that didn’t deliver on both of those counts, as well as the others previously mentioned. Marco.
I'd like something like that, but can no longer justify the expense. (on a pension you see :()
(looks like I may have to do something to pull a bit more cash in)
Gordon Steadman
09-12-2014, 10:01
Well, I'm on pension too. Sad to say, we both actually quite enjoy pootling these days. Get to see the scenery. Ronnie used to drive a BDA powered Lotus 7 and I had most of the Alfas available to anyone but the mega wealthy.
So we drive an Audi A4 20V. Very quiet, comfortable and....gawd.....sensible. Except when I get a flash of the old mood that is. Wind it up to 5000 and it actually goes rather well. All it takes is some little Alain Prost to try and show the old git how to drive and the red mist descends. I won't bore you with grand tales of my past but I still have the trophies:eyebrows:
68 years old and still a child at heart. I hope it continues for a while yet:)
That' why I own two cars.
Boring, safe über barge, and my "toy" car.
The toy car does it have many safety features. It's a pure divers car. How this relates to turntables in anyway puzzles me!
Gordon Steadman
09-12-2014, 10:15
That' why I own two cars.
Boring, safe über barge, and my "toy" car.
The toy car does it have many safety features. It's a pure divers car. How this relates to turntables in anyway puzzles me!
Who cares? Its much more interesting:lol:
That' why I own two cars.
Boring, safe über barge, and my "toy" car.
The toy car does it have many safety features. It's a pure divers car. How this relates to turntables in anyway puzzles me!
Well well well. You will be interested to know that I drive a souped up techie! That's right; a Technics 1200 on wheels. I have an older car (2002) but like the Techie it has a fantastic motor - many times been given a top ten engine award. I have pimped it with quieter tires, heaps of damping with dynamat, a bit of bling (tinted windows), and an Alpine sound-system. If you are on a good surface - all ya gotta do is turn up the volume!
I'd like something like that, but can no longer justify the expense. (on a pension you see :()
You don’t have to spend lots of money to own a car that’s fun to drive. There are loads of second-hand cars out there that’ll hit the spot nicely - all that’s required is a little ‘thinking outside the box’ and prioritising what's FUN, instead of what's practical! ;)
As they say (or at least they should say): ‘Life’s too short to drive boring cars’ [or eat bland food, or drink bad wine].
:hifive:
Marco.
68 years old and still a child at heart. I hope it continues for a while yet
Good on yer, Gordy! I hope I still have that mindset when I reach your age. Better to age disgracefully than to slowly wither away as boring old po-faced fart! :exactly:
Marco.
walpurgis
09-12-2014, 13:27
You don’t have to spend lots of money to own a car that’s fun to drive. There are loads of second-hand cars out there that’ll hit the spot nicely - all that’s required is a little ‘thinking outside the box’ and prioritising what's FUN, instead of what's practical! ;)
As they say (or at least they should say): ‘Life’s too short to drive boring cars’ [or eat bland food, or drink bad wine].
:hifive:
Marco.
I actually own three of the smallest cars around and although not fast, they happen to be a laugh to drive. So it's not necessarily a chore. I may get something with a bit of poke next year. We'll see.
(Suzuki Alto 1.1GL, Vauxhall Agila 1.0 Impression and a new Suzuki Alto 1.0 SZ. Really good little motors.)
the big skoda was fun to drive..quick too. my cmax i have now is a bit more sedate but easy to get in and out of.
Beobloke
09-12-2014, 15:30
I actually own three of the smallest cars around and although not fast, they happen to be a laugh to drive. So it's not necessarily a chore. I may get something with a bit of poke next year. We'll see.
(Suzuki Alto 1.1GL, Vauxhall Agila 1.0 Impression and a new Suzuki Alto 1.0 SZ. Really good little motors.)
Three cars?! Blimey - you could sell all three and buy something decent... :D
Says the man with 47 turntables ( and counting ) :)
Eagle owl
13-12-2014, 07:41
Well, I'm on pension too. Sad to say, we both actually quite enjoy pootling these days. Get to see the scenery. Ronnie used to drive a BDA powered Lotus 7 and I had most of the Alfas available to anyone but the mega wealthy.
So we drive an Audi A4 20V. Very quiet, comfortable and....gawd.....sensible. Except when I get a flash of the old mood that is. Wind it up to 5000 and it actually goes rather well. All it takes is some little Alain Prost to try and show the old git how to drive and the red mist descends. I won't bore you with grand tales of my past but I still have the trophies:eyebrows:
68 years old and still a child at heart. I hope it continues for a while yet:)
Snap, I'm also 68 years young Gordon and the oldest regular poster on the following forum. http://type-r-owners.co.uk/forums/ :D
I'm known as Rapid 17 over there.
Ronnie used to drive a BDA powered Lotus 7
I drive a modern day version. 210BHP, 520Kg. There are not many quicker cars around, on the road unless you are spending mega bucks. It's fun to drive, but to use it properly, you need to be on a track, as I can break the motorway speed limit in France in 2nd gear. I guess it's a bit like an upgraded Techie, as it performs far beyond the original design after a few modifications.
I keep thinking about getting rid of it, and buying something that will be more fun at lower speeds, but every time I drive it I change my mind.
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