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Hi James,
Under the Garrards Slatedeck and its feet is DIY equipment base made out of solid maple and then it's resting at the Yamamoto MGB-1 magnetic feet providing mechanical isolation of the rest of the system.
Here we go again..
..as stated at 80s hit by Whitesnake :D
Have been for years trying to establish second TT to my system but always have somehow felt uncertain of this move. So after the latest technics SL-120MKII decided to go for a second arm for my Garrard when see suitable candidate for sale. Well, now is the time as bought the 12"Alfred Bokrand tonearm sold here at AoS.
*pic stolen from the seller*
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m633/surayne/Lenco%20restoration/DSC_0122.jpg
In principle this is heavily modified or rebuild Ortofon tonearm and should be pretty good match for Denon DL-103 variants which I'm pretty fond of. At the moment I'm at the drawing board for stand alone pod or tonearm base as my Slatedecked Garrard cannot have second arm mounted. Also have to get me some nice headshell to get things rolling to right direction..
Hello Mika
How effective do you find the Yamamoto magnetic feet?
Actually at our current house I have not tested the impact at all but in our old house with uneven and bit floating floor these made huge difference. Their main purpose at the time was to eliminate the physical connection for the vibrations as the floor rocked and caused some problems for the playback e.g. when kids were playing at the room or running pass the equipment rack. The magnetic feet did eliminate that 100%. Also otherwise the feet did had impact to the sound making it more accurate with improved noise floor. So have kept those under my TT since :)
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3762/12954241545_8dcf3db7f7_c.jpg
Great pictures as usual Mika, thanks for sharing.
Funnily enough I am just starting a restoration project on a 401 and would love an Eames chair one day too, so that room would suit me just fine as I know I like a lot of your music ;)
jandl100
28-03-2014, 08:36
Thanks Mika - I've enjoyed following the thread.
Great system, great room, great photos.
Lovely little girl, too!
:thumbsup:
The Black Adder
28-03-2014, 08:51
Indeed Mika.
An amazing space... I just 'luuurv' your room.
I just love the Eames chair... May I ask, is that an original one? - I once saw one in an antique shop for £150... I should have bought it... Grrrr! lol - Very rare and with a price tag to match these days.
One thing I'd be really interested in knowing is the methodology of the acoustic panels and the placements you have decided on. Also, what kind of bass traps are you using behind those monsters? Do the panels help focus the bass more to the listening position?
Superb... really well done. - More pics please.. :)
Indeed Mika.
An amazing space... I just 'luuurv' your room.
I just love the Eames chair... May I ask, is that an original one? - I once saw one in an antique shop for £150... I should have bought it... Grrrr! lol - Very rare and with a price tag to match these days.
One thing I'd be really interested in knowing is the methodology of the acoustic panels and the placements you have decided on. Also, what kind of bass traps are you using behind those monsters? Do the panels help focus the bass more to the listening position?
Superb... really well done. - More pics please.. :)
A little warning about Eames chairs.
I had one (from Blue Sun Tree - can't tell the £5,000 difference from my mate's original from Heals) and it gave me terrible back and neck ache. You are leaning back more than in most chairs and, if like me, you prefer to sit more upright ... Like audio, best to try before you buy.
Anyway it found a nice home is a friend's apartment in Knokke la Zoute and it doesn't mean Mika K's room isn't the best looking one on this forum by a stretch.
p.s. I'm listening to Solo Monk at 2am, browsing AoS, chilling out, and I'm looking for some porn, you know, the normal audio porn. Is there a thread of random audio pics to get the blood running in the middle of the night?
Thanks Mika - I've enjoyed following the thread.
Great system, great room, great photos.
Lovely little girl, too!
:thumbsup:
+1 (with big bells on)! His room (particularly the relaxed and cosy ambience it creates) and system are drool-worthy in the extreme. Mika is a star on AoS, in every respect! :youtheman:
Marco.
Yep, that room is just beyond this world. Great system too!
Come on guys, I'm starting to blush in here and that ain't pretty :D
The Vicoustic acoustic panels are just placed to the front wall with the intuition and to the locations they seem to fit well as the room is not 100% symmetrical anyway. The ones at the right are set to eliminate the first reflections and then I have few extra ones that I can set to similar location to the left side above the sofa to cover the lower part of the window. This is something I do only for very critical listening. The bass traps at the corners are from GIK Acoustics and covered with some additional dampening panels to make their volume and impact big bigger. The surface of the panels is diffusing material so that they do not dampen the mids and highs too much. Have been planning to have some removable panel for the small window and something for the ceiling also but still undecided as the current setup works really well and I don't want to dampen the room too much. The house is made of wood, so the acoustics are pretty ok even without any heavy modifications.
The story for the chair can be found from http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?11598-Mika-K-s-system&p=508949#post508949. In brief no, it's not the original one. I was planning to buy the original meaning the vintage Herman Miller but those are darn hard to come by. Somehow I feel the ones made in Europe by Vitra are just as fakes as these China ones and their quality does not match the price tag, so..
p.s. I'm listening to Solo Monk at 2am, browsing AoS, chilling out, and I'm looking for some porn, you know, the normal audio porn. Is there a thread of random audio pics to get the blood running in the middle of the night?
Great album you have there! BUt here is one link to similar thread at main finnish forum HH.org..
http://www.hifiharrastajat.org/foorumi/showthread.php/76286-Kuvia-nettiseteistä-amp-interiööreistä
The Black Adder
31-03-2014, 18:03
Cheers for that, Mika.
Go on... blush.. you deserve it. lol
Then have a Tee-Hee at the Ha-Ha - (Have a drink at the bar)
Great album you have there! BUt here is one link to similar thread at main finnish forum HH.org..
http://www.hifiharrastajat.org/foorumi/showthread.php/76286-Kuvia-nettiseteistä-amp-interiööreistä
Good Lord! - Now that's what I call audio porn. There must be a lot of wealthy audio enthusiasts in Finland.
As stated those are random pics from everywhere and not in Finland (despite there are few finnish systems there). The local picture thread with some discussion is this one http://www.hifiharrastajat.org/foorumi/showthread.php/40233-Kuvia-laitteistoistanne-ja-kuunteluympäristöstä-yleensä/page394
Great album you have there! BUt here is one link to similar thread at main finnish forum HH.org..
http://www.hifiharrastajat.org/foorumi/showthread.php/76286-Kuvia-nettiseteistä-amp-interiööreistä
Holy moly !!! I can type but I can't speak as my jaw just hit the floor.
My question about the first photo - who gets a pair of Wilson Alexandria's and let's their wife take the hot seat?
The next system looks like the Tardis and Vaiski's pictures seem to have a hoover wired in between the amp and speakers. Any idea what it is?
In homage to the frozen north and the billions in audio that they seem to have hidden away, I'm off home to listen to some Arvo Part. I know he's Estonian, but his music sounds more like I imagine Finland than Sibelius. As I always thought of Sibelius as a poor man's Mahler, I will now have to dream about Finland, having insulted their national hero.
Half way through an excellent new biography of John Ogdon, came out the other day. Well worth a read.
Lovely room Mika and some "proper" speakers with those lovely JBLs.
We're not worthy. Well I'm not anyway, must get some furnishings for my monastic style room.
Hi Mika
I was just wondering about your opinion of the Yam Ns1000M vs the JBL. Do you still have the Yams or did you sell them to get the JBLs? Are they comprehensively outclassed by the JBLs or do you just prefer the JBLs despite there being some trade-offs with the NS1000M?
Apples and oranges :)
I still have the NS-1000s. The McIntosh amp is match made in heaven for them and the combo works extremely well. And the JBLs driven with that amp are not as transparent, neutral or accurate despite being monitors as well. However they do have some realism, scale and dynamics that NS-1000s cannot reach even when biamped (my friend has this type of system with optimized amps) with upgraded crossover. Overall I think I prefer the JBLs at the moment.
I'm bit undecided should I keep NS-1000s around or not. One pair of standard NS-1000M models I already sold but these domestic ones in near mint condition is something will not depart so lightly. I guess I should put some more effort to see what I could achieve with JBLs with other amps, and then make my decision as do not have space to keep both around, so that they could be easily swapped. I think the JBLs will be absolute killers with right amp and updated crossover as at the moment everything is original from the 1973..
Interesting answer. Thanks Mika
No problem. Sometimes feel life would be easier in B&W and without all the shades of grey :)
Long time no updates, so perhaps it's time to write something again :)
Sometime ago I bought from AoS member Alfred Bokrand rebuilt Ortofon AS 212 12 inch tonearm as this should be very good tonearm and ideal match for my Zu modded Denon DL-103 cartridge. The only problem here is that my current Slatedeck plinth does not have possibility to mount other arm to it and I'm definitely not going to give up my SME V tonearm with Transfiguration cartridge. So have been planning some sort of pod or standalone tonearm base to be used with the rest of the system, and this is now under manufacturing by one of my friends who is working in metal industry. We'll see how it turns up.
http://www.thesoundpractice.com/images/new-product-images/Denon.jpg
Also last week there was suddenly A23 SUT for Denon 103 for sale at the biggest forum in Finland, and I decided to byu also that one as my McIntosh integrated has MM phono input free at the moment, and think that this SUT will be much better match for the rest of the system than the old Technics battery powered headmap have been using so far for the 2nd system. The main system still has Ensemble Fonovivo connected.
I hope that in few weeks I can get the second tonearm mounted and will then report how does the system work. Exciting times.. :eyebrows:
^Ha! Still waiting for the other tonearm to be mounted to my Garrard :D
Not many changes here during the summer. Tested new active Avantgarde Zero1 Pros but unfortunately they could not match to McIntosh/JBL combo have in the house. Sold my trusty Sansui TU-9500 to clear some space for the Ensemble phonostage as that was having quite tight space at the rack. Now can add there the A23 SUT also when needed. Also added proper spikes to the JBLs, that have also found their place at the listening room. Sounds pretty damn good if I may say so..
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5554/14712095827_31ae30924c_c.jpg
Have friends Thorens TD-850 there also as promise dto put that on sale after making sure it works ok. After that has been done there might be some space for some new stuff again.
^Ha! Still waiting for the other tonearm to be mounted to my Garrard :D
Not many changes here during the summer. Tested new active Avantgarde Zero1 Pros but unfortunately they could not match to McIntosh/JBL combo have in the house. Sold my trusty Sansui TU-9500 to clear some space for the Ensemble phonostage as that was having quite tight space at the rack. Now can add there the A23 SUT also when needed. Also added proper spikes to the JBLs, that have also found their place at the listening room. Sounds pretty damn good if I may say so..
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5554/14712095827_31ae30924c_c.jpg
Have friends Thorens TD-850 there also as promise dto put that on sale after making sure it works ok. After that has been done there might be some space for some new stuff again.
Which model are those JBL speakers Mika? They look superb.
Nice one, Mika. I always love looking at pics of your room and system, as they never fail to portray a lovely warm & cosy feeling (together with a sense of calm relaxation), which is right up my street! :thumbsup:
Marco.
Thanks! And Marco I think we're living at the same street then ;)
The speakers are JBL 4341 Studio Monitors, the original 4-way models with AlNiCo magnets dating somewhere from the 1973.
The Black Adder
12-08-2014, 19:12
Nice, Mika... Very nice indeed, as always.
One question, what's the view out of the window?... lol, just being nosey.
That's the evening sunset behind the forest, Joe :)
Quick shot from mobile as have the Thorens TD-850 up and running. Now I can act as a DJ too :D
*and don't say anything about the dust*
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5565/14926701545_1b16a9fa2a_c.jpg
walpurgis
15-08-2014, 15:27
Nice, but 'no cigar'. The Garrard gets that. ;)
^Ha! Still waiting for the other tonearm to be mounted to my Garrard :D
Not many changes here during the summer. Tested new active Avantgarde Zero1 Pros but unfortunately they could not match to McIntosh/JBL combo have in the house. Sold my trusty Sansui TU-9500 to clear some space for the Ensemble phonostage as that was having quite tight space at the rack. Now can add there the A23 SUT also when needed. Also added proper spikes to the JBLs, that have also found their place at the listening room. Sounds pretty damn good if I may say so..
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5554/14712095827_31ae30924c_c.jpg
Have friends Thorens TD-850 there also as promise dto put that on sale after making sure it works ok. After that has been done there might be some space for some new stuff again.
Thats a lovely room Mika; I couldn't have done it better...just my taste.......fancy a house swap:eyebrows:
Didn't see any dust Mika... Sorry.. ;)
Whats the cart on the Rega? Looks like a big ass Allaerts or similar?
Your'e using a Transfiguration on the SME/Garrard, right?
Very nice piccies as usual!
Damn, I do not see the pic at all! I guess Flckr is having some sync issues again with my macbook :(
The cart on the Rega is Zu Audios improved DL-103 and as phonopre I use Technics SU-300MC headmp or A23 SUT with McIntosh MM-input. And the SME on Garrard is having T'fig Phoenix and phonopre is Ensemble Fonovivo with their own upgrade PSU.
RochaCullen
18-08-2014, 10:49
Hey Mika,
Do you know anything about JBL 4410 studio monitors and whether they are any good? There is a set for sale near me. They look like a pretty basic monitor from JBL.
Thanks,
Nathan
I think I have heard those long time ago in some friends house but cannot say to have experience about those. What I've read good basic monitors without any special features. If they're cheap might be a lot of speaker for smaller rooms. As always with older speakers please remember to check the condition of the speakers as I think those might require new foams/surrouds for the cones.
Hey Mika,
Do you know anything about JBL 4410 studio monitors and whether they are any good? There is a set for sale near me. They look like a pretty basic monitor from JBL.
Thanks,
Nathan
http://www.stephenrklein.com/JBL_4410A_speaker_review.html
Snap them up like a snappy thing. Unless they are asking silly money.
Last week sold the Thorens TD-850 and the Rega arm, and as a partial payment received sturdy japanese deck Sony PS-X75 with the controversial robot arm. Zu Audio cart works surprisingly well with this combination despite does not really challenge my Garrard with the treats. Still, I'm planning to keep the Sony for a while to play around a bit as really think have to have one DL-103 based cart in use. Keeping it, until I find the other japanese TT I'm actually looking for that it :D
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3899/15031867808_d6ff566db0_c.jpg
Lately have been also trying to negotiate my trusty local carpenter to book some time for the renovation of my JBLs, and most likely at the same time will also try to upgrade the caps to the crossover as the original ones are already over 40 years old. Cannot really tell that from the sound as these are surprisingly modern in many ways. Better to safe than sorry still with these..
Found it :eyebrows:
It's large, heavy, beautiful and pretty rare at Europe. What is it? I'll come back to that perhaps later. Anyway the Sony TT has now been sold to a local guy replacing his old and bit worn Thorens and I have reserved my new pride and joy. Hopefully will get the thingie to Finland before christmas and have possibility to install minty Fidelity Research tonearm purchased to complete the system. Really have the hogh hopes on this one.. :cool:
Idlewithnodrive
15-11-2014, 19:48
Ps-x9 ?
Tt8000 ?
I'll wager you've sold your soul to the Technisatan! SP10?
No Technisatan worshipped here (despite SP10 was one of the choices).
Today had few hours to be home alone and just for fun tried to set JBLs near the room corners. The end results is a bit surprising really, the system does not sound bad at all! The resolution is worse than earlier but on the other hand the sound is more big, bold and relaxed, reminds me actually of the large flush mounted Genelecs listened at the factory monitoring room few years back, or then the legendary Klipsch corner horns had change to hear back in the days.
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7493/15867127536_8ffa29e960_c.jpg
Im pretty sure I will at some point return to the usual setup that have marked to the floor but while waiting (it's the hardest part) the new TT to arrive decided to try some very different speaker positions just to get some experience of the room and how things work. I guess will also test removing the corner bass traps at some point and see what that does..
Looks a very relaxing room to listen to musac.
RobbieGong
27-11-2014, 22:02
Yep ! Looks like a wonderful room to listen to music in.
As usual; first class photography and aestetics!
Would you care to put some words to paper regarding your Mac's MM phono input when used with stepup? I have a friend with an MA-7000 who has recently aquired a Kuzma Stabi/Stogi combo for enjoying vinyl.
He runs a Benz Micro Ace H at the moment but is looking into other LOMC carts. I have advised him to try a stepup first as i have a feeling the builtin MM is not a bad sounding solution.
Also curious whether you are letting your Yammies go?
Atb from Sweden, Mike
PS regarding your turntable, could it be an L07?
nekoni koban
29-11-2014, 15:05
A nice room indeed. And a decent Eames copy.. not the worst I have seen.
Yes, the chair was originally imported from China by one IT professional who lived there for some years. Said he spent some hours to look for the best one when bought that from him. Perhaps will have original one some day.. :)
As plain MM phono I was not so impressed of the McIntosh but it is not bad at all when used together with quality SUT. It cannot not compete with my Ensemble Fonovivo in resolution, dynamics or rhythmic accuracy but I would say it's worth of try! When used with my Zu DL-103 and A23 SUT it's a pleasure to listen to especially some jazz/blues etc. music. However please remember that my McIntosh is filled with tubes inclusing the MM phono. I do not know is that the case with the MA-7000?
Thanks Mika, i was obviously mistaken! I thought your Mac was either an MA-6900 or MA-7000... And you are quite right, the MA-7000 is solid state through out.
/Mike
No problem, the model I have is MA-2275.
http://www.inner-magazines.com/news/42/73/McIntosh-MC402/
costerdock
21-12-2014, 16:26
Beautiful system and really nice pictures - I really like the shots of the ZU DL 103 - I've always wanted to pick one of those up.
Thanks Chris! Hope to post some new pics sooner or later :)
destroysall
02-01-2015, 21:35
No Technisatan worshipped here (despite SP10 was one of the choices).So what turntable did you end up getting if I may ask?
Hi Mika,
could I ask which Dynavector cartridge you use?
The TT is unfotunately still on delivery despite I was supposed to get it during the Christmas holidays. I will post some information and pics when everything is 100% sure and I have my hands on it. In the meantime you have to just wait as I do. Apologies for this :)
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8641/16210021251_6236263e28_c.jpg
The Dynavector cart I have is 20X2L. Have heard that on my friends system several times and decided that it will be nice replacement for the time being. However have not yet taken that into use as have planned to use my Transfiguration until the stylus will be end of its lifecycle. So at the moment Dynavector is just waiting its turn as a backup.
I feel your frustration, Mika - hope it arrives safely soon!
Nice shot (always love the atmosphere that you capture in your pics)… Every time I see those gorgeous JBLs, I can’t help thinking ‘yum, yum’!! :respect:
Marco.
Apologies for the pic from the phone but it's here. And it's big and beautiful alright.. :D
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8610/16157122819_427a21a984_c.jpg
wiicrackpot
23-01-2015, 07:31
I've just did a sex wee ....:comatose:
ooooh shiny golden platter :wow: dunno what it is but its nice.
The platter is not golden but made of solid bronze and weighting 10kgs :)
http://www.thevintageknob.org/micro_seiki-SX-111FV.html
Ali Tait
23-01-2015, 13:42
Very nice indeed!
Superb stuff, Mika - that is sheer quality! :wowzer:
Hope you enjoy it… What arm and cartridge will you be putting on the MS? Let us know how it compares with your Garrard, once you’ve had a proper listen! Enjoy :cool:
Marco.
walpurgis
23-01-2015, 18:55
You have good taste in interesting gear Mika.
I bet it all sounds damn fine too.
Cheers!
What arm and cartridge will you be putting on the MS?
Planned to install immaculate Fidelity Research FR-64FX to get a classic combination and then try few different cartridges starting from my trusty Zu DL-103 and DV-20X2L I recently bought from local retailer. Have the SME V and Tfig Phoenix at my pimped Garrard, so it's really interesting to hear the end result when the time comes.
One way or the other might be Im trapped with two heavy TTs from now on. Poor me :D
Planned to install immaculate Fidelity Research FR-64FX to get a classic combination and then try few different cartridges starting from my trusty Zu DL-103 and DV-20X2L I recently bought from local retailer. Have the SME V and Tfig Phoenix at my pimped Garrard, so it's really interesting to hear the end result when the time comes.
I like your thinking, Mika! :respect:
Can’t wait to visit you now…… ;)
Marco.
You're welcome anytime Marco! Just give a fair bit of warning.. :cool:
You can count on it, Mika. We definitely plan on visiting Finland in the near future, so it would be rude not to pop by and say hello, and hear that wonderful system of yours! :)
Marco.
bigmarty
23-01-2015, 20:25
All I can say is STUNNING :D
I've just did a sex wee ....:comatose:
As have l.:eek:
wiicrackpot
23-01-2015, 21:58
Even more embarrassing when it happens in your Lycra skin shorts Andy, not a pretty sight. :doh:
Not too shabby Mika.
I see from the specs that the clearance of the platter is 0.03 mm. Does that preclude the use of a heavy mat and/or record weight?
Ali Tait
23-01-2015, 23:08
Even more embarrassing when it happens in your Lycra skin shorts Andy, not a pretty sight. :doh:
Yeah, speshially when they're black..
wiicrackpot
24-01-2015, 04:52
Yeah, speshially when they're black..
..and runs fast on Lycra, 5 mins to clean up then shoot the door to work, what a way to end the working week eh Ali. :D
Come on guys we're trying to discuss about something beautiful here :D
wiicrackpot
24-01-2015, 09:21
Come on guys we're trying to discuss about something beautiful here :D
Aye and it's all your fault, i just can't keep my eyes off those big JBL's and now this ''Bitch'',
it's taking me away from the bike thread for sure. :)
Just try to think what it's like trying to get things done and all you can do is just stare that thingie at the equipment rack. Perhaps just have to go out today for a little spin to clear my head.. :rolleyes:
wiicrackpot
24-01-2015, 09:30
Just try to think what it's like trying to get things done and all you can do is just stare that thingie at the equipment rack. Perhaps just have to go out today for a little spin to clear my head.. :rolleyes:
Decisions....decisions, i think the Bronze bombshell should get the attention this weekend. :D
The enclosures of my JBLs have been at local carpenter shop for two weeks and after 1-2 weeks they should be back. So today spent three hours preparing everything for the day when it's time to put everything back together. I cleaned up the drivers from the old installation and added new sealant to their installation rings. Checked also the crossovers and cleaned the dust away. Surprisingly the used internal wiring seems pretty good quality and the ends have been properly soldered with silver, so perhaps wont renew those at this point.
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7456/15789637903_b944b9c36f_c.jpg
I'm still waiting the new Sonofil stuffing and HQ connectors to arrive. After that I can finalize the new backpanel to replace the old ones with balanced XLR connectors, that I've used with small diy-adapters. Few weeks ago got new lenses from Kenrick Sound and these look sweet and have not the installation kit added.. :)
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8636/16223761427_2f57346356_c.jpg
Next week also my new tonearm, legendary Fidelity Research FR-64X, should arrive for my MS turntable, so plenty of things happening here in near future. Can't really wait to get everything back together again as those small BBC LS3/5A clones really are not enough for me despite not being bad at all..
walpurgis
31-01-2015, 13:41
I just love quality drive units and those JBLs are gorgeous. What exactly are you having done with the cabs Mika?
I had a long dispute with myself whether to get the JBLs back to the original condition or to get them redone just to match visually better to my room. I finally chose the latter as my friend (the carpenter) said that he can get them easily back to original shape later if needed and nothing reversible will be done.
I do not actually know what they will finally look like as just briefly discussed the main idea with my friend- one internal braze will be added and then some suitable veneer etc. We'll see.. :D :D :D
WOOHOO!!!!
The Fidelity Research FR-64FX tonearm is here and installed to Micro Seiki with Zu DL-103 cartridge. The first LP I plyed with Micro Seiki was Oliver Nelsons Blues and the abstract truth (it was good!) and the next will be chosen by our son who is having day off from school because flue and yesterdays fever:
- "I want the rock album which has the flying carpet at the cover!"
- "Ok. Kingston Wall it is.."
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7370/16434886275_f340ce8303_c.jpg
He's malingering - get him back to school!
Today is reserved for recovery and music education. Tomorrow it's time for the school again :)
Thanks Mika, this is one thread I always check out - a darned good read :)
Thanks Tim!
Today spent one hour to investigate the body and soul of the Micro Seiki RP-110 air pump unit. Discovered one loose screw that was the root cause for the small brum from the unit. Also added new rubber feet to the unit and now it is completely silent. Even while using the unit to feed the air bearing system and sucking the LP to the platter no noise at all despite listening from half meter distance. Now the system is fully operational without any issues!
Have also noticed that the Zu DL-103 cartridge works better with the FR-64FX tonearm that I have ever managed to get it work with my SME V tonearm. The midrange and highs are much better I have experienced earlier. Cannot really wait to get my JBLs back in business and then it will be easier for me to make the final verdicts. Also think will wait that time to get some more pics published.. :D :D :D
Glad you're enjoying your new toy, Mika - she's one sexy beast! :D
Have also noticed that the Zu DL-103 cartridge works better with the FR-64FX tonearm that I have ever managed to get it work with my SME V tonearm. The midrange and highs are much better I have experienced earlier.
Hehehehe... Why am I not surprised? Now you know why I said what I did about the SME V on that other thread (Gazjam's) ;)
Marco.
anubisgrau
04-02-2015, 23:35
anyone knows a good and trusted servicing specialist for FR64fx?
Hehehehe... Why am I not surprised? Now you know why I said what I did about the SME V on that other thread (Gazjam's) ;)
This was not a surprise to me either. More like somewhat expected result. You know I strongly believe in system synergy between all of the components and have known that Zu DL-103 is not ideal match for SME V. Still in my books that is not considered to be anykind of fault of the tonearm itself, more like an user error :D
Lol :eyebrows:
I'd say half and half... Yes, you're right about the V and 103 not being an ideal match, and that will undoubtedly have a bearing on proceedings, but cartridge 'mismatch' aside, you're also hearing some of the inherent sonic differences between both arms :)
Marco.
Naturally. As stated earlier every component has a sonic signature and with proper system matching blaah blaah blaah.. :D
Yup, as ever, synergy is the key :)
However, I like to start by using equipment that to my ears plays music in a way that I think sounds right (read as 'lifelike'/believable), and therefore have a system where every component is 'pulling together' in the same sonic/musical direction, than creating too many instances where 'counterbalancing' different sonic signatures is required, as otherwise it's easy to lose your way and end up going down the wrong path...
It's rather like following a cooking recipe, using too many different ingredients. The fact is, the best (and tastiest) dishes are often those that use the fewest ingredients......... Keep it 'simple, stupid' is always a good policy in hi-fi, as over-complication in any area more often than not destroys the music.
At the end of the day, however, as with anything in life, there's no substitute for experience - and in hi-fi, that's precisely what enables you to make more good decisions than bad ones! :exactly:
Marco.
RobbieGong
05-02-2015, 23:00
Yup, as ever, synergy is the key :)
However, I like to start by using equipment that to my ears plays music in a way that I think sounds right (read as 'lifelike'/believable), and therefore have a system where every component is 'pulling together' in the same sonic/musical direction, than creating too many instances where 'counterbalancing' different sonic signatures is required, as otherwise it's easy to lose your way and end up going down the wrong path...
It's rather like following a cooking recipe, using too many different ingredients. The fact is, the best (and tastiest) dishes are often those that use the fewest ingredients......... Keep it 'simple, stupid' is always a good policy in hi-fi, as over-complication in any area more often than not destroys the music.
At the end of the day, however, as with anything in life, there's no substitute for experience - and in hi-fi, that's precisely what enables you to make more good decisions than bad ones! :exactly:
Marco.
More wise words Marco and the philosophy I follow. Again it links to knowing the sound you like and going along the theme then, with your choice of respective parts so to speak - You're on form today :)
WOOHOO!!!
Received the JBL enclosures from the local carpenter yesterday and despite still missing new WBT terminals and the backpanels, just had to put them together and to their own place. The woodwork is really nice with the cherry veneer and the cleaned front panel looks mighty nice. The aluminum JBL model plates are still under cleaning process but eventually they will be also added with some other finishing touches. Few pics of the Micro Seiki with the FR tonarm are also included as now all the main components of the system are there.. :D
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PS: Apologies for the crappy pic quality but broke my DSLR few weeks ago and have to manage with the pocket camera for a while..
The Black Adder
11-02-2015, 13:18
Lovely...!
cThey look very nice indeed. A perfectionist,, congrats, love the simple finish.
Sit back and enjoy, man.
WOOHOO!!!
Received the JBL enclosures from the local carpenter yesterday and despite still missing new WBT terminals and the backpanels, just had to put them together and to their own place. The woodwork is really nice with the cherry veneer and the cleaned front panel looks mighty nice. The aluminum JBL model plates are still under cleaning process but eventually they will be also added with some other finishing touches. Few pics of the Micro Seiki with the FR tonarm are also included as now all the main components of the system are there.. :D
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PS: Apologies for the crappy pic quality but broke my DSLR few weeks ago and have to manage with the pocket camera for a while..
Nurse! Nurse!:eek:
The Barbarian
11-02-2015, 13:49
He's made a nice job of the Speaker cabinets Mika..
The Black Adder
11-02-2015, 15:56
Nurse! Nurse!:eek:
Roll your tongue in, it's embarrassing... lol
Roll your tongue in, it's embarrassing... lol
:)
Great looking and no doubt sounding system.:)
The Black Adder
11-02-2015, 18:32
It is... one of AOS's finest.
Sovereign
11-02-2015, 23:02
Fantastic mate !
Spectral Morn
12-02-2015, 13:02
Beautiful system and room :cool:
Regards Neil
Yes, it's the suitably high level of 'awesomeness' we've become accustomed to from Mika! :youtheman:
Marco.
Thanks guys!
Just received the cnc'd aluminum plates to replace the original ones at the back of the JBL enclusures, and the post office has the new stuffing waiting for the pick up. Now just waiting for the WBT parts to arrive and to finalize the whole thing.. :)
Frazeur1
28-02-2015, 02:14
Mika, as always, love your photos of your room and system. I was just going back through these, it has been awhile, and I just loved the picture of your daughter, post 128, enough to melt anyone's heart. Beautiful kids you have, the most important thing for sure!
Thanks for sharing your setup along the way! Tim
Thanks Tim!
I actually spent the day putting JBLs back together for good as yesterday received the long awaited WTB binding posts and few minor parts that have been missing. So now I'm enjoying the system first time in its full glory almost in two months and oh boy :D Perhaps some pics tomorrow if can get my DSLR working again..
Took few days but here are some pics of the current system and few details of the current condition of the JBLs - the nice cherry veneer, cnc'd aluminum panels with WBT terminals and new Kenrick Sound 2308/L91 horn lenses. Still missing the aluminum JBL model plates around the potentimeters, the places you can see at the pics. Also still have the red curtains on the windows I'm not so fond of, but hey! That's up to Mrs when get the other ones back I like more :)
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Lovely looking listening room Mika - you must be very proud of it. :)
Thanks Barry! And yes I am proud especially as it's our familys living room and not any dedicated cave where I need to escape when feel like listening some music. And of course the kids and Mrs use it also, so.. :)
Absolutely wonderful, Mika! As ever (and even more so now, with the speaker refurbishment) your room epitomises the perfect stylish, cosy and inviting space, which just *makes* you want to settle down for a long and extended music listening session….
Actually, I rather like the red curtains, as they act as an effective contrast against the otherwise fairly neutral colour palette, serving to create a focal counterpoint, and adding warmth. It’s a classic interior design concept/trick - something I know a little about, working with interior designers, as an art dealer.
Plus, folk these days seem to be afraid of COLOUR. Personally, I’d ban the sale of Magnolia paint from all shops [generally used by bland people with no personality], and force folk to think outside of the box a bit, when it comes to decor, and stop playing it boring and safe!!
Gorgeous... I wish your family and you many happy hours of enjoying that lovely space! :)
Marco.
I'm a fan of mid 20th century furniture and design. Have a reproduction eames chair myself. For me it is timeless rather than retro and this room has many elements I love. It's a smart looking space full of interest and a fantastic system to boot.
If I ever get round to creating another room in the loft of our house which means I can have our old bedroom as my listening space, I'll be taking a few design cues from here.
Thanks! In a way the best part is that our decor is not planned or "designed" as all the furniture etc have just somehow drifted to our home or previous places where we have lived and the end results just is what it is. I guess the most thought part is actually the hifi system I'm having..
I was just baking some cupcakes with the kids as Mrs is returning soon home from morning shift and noticed that sun is shining nicely to living room. So one more pic of the Micro Seiki TT, please don't get heart attack due to the dust :eyebrows:
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Nice one, Mika. Incidentally, how is the Micro-Seiki sounding - specifically, how does it compare, sonically and musically, with the Garrard? :)
Marco.
P.S And yes, ask your cleaner to get the duster out! :eyebrows:
The Barbarian
08-03-2015, 13:21
What's with all the dust?
What's with all the dust?
Never mind the dust Mika- keep posting the system/room pictures!:eek:
The Barbarian
08-03-2015, 16:13
Never mind the dust
:eek: Id be climbing the walls
The other thing I like about your room is that there’s no bloody ugly (as sin) TV sat in it! Too many folk have some gawd-awful huge black plastic ‘wide-screen’ TV plonked somewhere in between their speakers, which for me always spoils the look of the room (and system)!
Marco.
Ha! I knew the dust will push some members off the cliff :D Unfortunately it's my fault as I'm the one doing most of the dusting here, especially when it comes to my system. I'll try to improve before the next pics..
The Micro Seiki is sounding rather nice! Of course it's pretty difficult to know what comes from where as there are new components to me but still..
Zu DL-103 is sounding surprisingly competent paired with the FR tonearm, much better than it did with the SME V so there definitely is strong synergy there. Especially the midrange is sweet having the dynamics and finesse haven't heard before. Perhaps the bottom end is bit round and lean compared to my other system driven by Garrad 401 but considering the price range for this cart :mental: Overall the sound from Micro Seiki is big and relaxed but still very well defined. Definitely high quality combo in many ways. Also surprisingly silent with the backround noise when combined to the A23 SUT and McIntosh MM phono input.
Frazeur1
09-03-2015, 09:40
The other thing I like about your room is that there’s no bloody ugly (as sin) TV sat in it! Too many folk have some gawd-awful huge black plastic ‘wide-screen’ TV plonked somewhere in between their speakers, which for me always spoils the look of the room (and system)!
Marco.
I agree on the TV thing, it is the one thing that I wish I could banish from my living room-and maybe altogether. But then I suppose I have to give a little too on my part, at least for the audio end's sake!
Mika, your room is just so inviting and I am sure a great place to relax and enjoy the tunes. Very nice, even if it isn't "planned".
Hi Timothy,
I agree on the TV thing, it is the one thing that I wish I could banish from my living room-and maybe altogether. But then I suppose I have to give a little too on my part, at least for the audio end's sake!
Indeed. However, what I’d always try and do, if there were enough rooms available, is dedicate one of them to being either a TV room/lounge, and another, a music room, so that if she wants, the good lady of the house/kids can have their space, watching TV, etc, and keep that ugly goggle-box in there, thereby leaving the music room free of such paraphernalia, and of course vice versa, with all the ‘hi-fi shit’, kept out of the TV room/lounge.
I realise of course that that isn’t always possible, but often there is a decent sized spare room, out with of the main lounge, in many houses that doesn’t appear to be used for any specific purpose. As they say, where there’s a will (from all who live in the house), there’s a way! :)
Marco.
The Barbarian
09-03-2015, 18:13
That's it.. refuse to put the stereo in the same room as the TV. I have my own back room nicely decorated out all cosy loike, it's small but it my music room i can dissapear to.
Nice one, dude - and quite right! I think that sort of arrangement can be accommodated in most homes, if the will is there from those living in them, especially where no kids are involved.
In terms of the latter, I can see no logical reason why, say, in a 3-bedrooom house, for two adults, where only one room is actively used as a bedroom, that the other two rooms can’t be used as a separate TV and music room - I’m talking about here in houses where a hi-fi/music lover is one of the two adults concerned, and where any spare rooms don’t already have a clearly defined purpose.
You often get the impression in a lot of houses that ‘she who must be obeyed’ gets the house to herself, to do with what she likes, whilst ‘he' does as he’s told - and that’s just not right! :nono:
Indeed, I abhor such unfair control-freakery in a relationship.
Marco.
Frazeur1
09-03-2015, 19:24
Hi Timothy,
Indeed. However, what I’d always try and do, if there were enough rooms available, is dedicate one of them to being either a TV room/lounge, and another, a music room, so that if she wants, the good lady of the house/kids can have their space, watching TV, etc, and keep that ugly goggle-box in there, thereby leaving the music room free of such paraphernalia, and of course vice versa, with all the ‘hi-fi shit’, kept out of the TV room/lounge.
I realise of course that that isn’t always possible, but often there is a decent sized spare room, out with of the main lounge, in many houses that doesn’t appear to be used for any specific purpose. As they say, where there’s a will (from all who live in the house), there’s a way! :)
Marco.
I certainly agree, I wish I had that extra space, but sadly do not at the moment, so we just co-exist the best we can between music and the telly. We just have one communal space, but it is workable for now!
We made decision already almost 15 years ago to leave TV out of our living room. Of course I was already at the time listening lot of music and had system at our small apartment, but the suggestion actually came from Mrs as we spent lot of time with our friends and noticed that during their visit we were sometimes just watching TV because it was there. So we got rid of TV and had lot of fun having nice discussions, playing board games and listening music etc. After that we've always had the TV somewhere else than in our living room, usually at master bedroom or the upstairs lobby etc and like to still host evenings with friends and everyone seems to like the arrangement (except my dad but that is another story).
Today I still notice the "dull and boring" impact of TV in some friends places and different gettotogethers. People (me included) just start staring the damn thing despite whats on. However when suggesting closing it or getting rid of it I usually get stupid looks :doh:
We just don't have a TV at all. We have a large pull down projection screen in the ceiling which is out if the way for most of the day, and it just drops down when we switch on the projector. The blu ray player, and computer are connected into the DAC, and we get great sound through the system when we need it, and nothing taking up space when we don't.
Have been thinking that option also but with the kids it is still easier that the TV is somewhere else :rolleyes:
The Barbarian
09-03-2015, 20:02
Jesus just imagine in our house where the wife is glued to the TV..I abhor the TV. We be be fighting like cat & dog 24/7. Just imagine wanting the tunes on but have to book it in with the missus! :eek: Just imagine wanting a certain Hi-Fi but have to ask the wife if it's her's friendly :eek::eek:
Not much happened here since the previous posts despite felt the urge to update few pics ;)
Sonos Connect has been added to the system for the Tidal streaming handling also the Spotify and NAS usage. The Ensemble phonostage has now the manufacturers more or less serious Megaflux FSF powercord, that replaced the older DIY alternative with Furutech sockets. Now during the summer most of the listening has been very cozy backround listening and only few times have done some serious listening..
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rubber duck
23-07-2015, 11:26
However when suggesting closing it or getting rid of it I usually get stupid looks :doh:
It's not called an idiot box without reason
WOOHOO!!!!
The Fidelity Research FR-64FX tonearm is here and installed to Micro Seiki with Zu DL-103 cartridge. The first LP I plyed with Micro Seiki was Oliver Nelsons Blues and the abstract truth (it was good!) and the next will be chosen by our son who is having day off from school because flue and yesterdays fever:
- "I want the rock album which has the flying carpet at the cover!"
- "Ok. Kingston Wall it is.."
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Congratulation Mika K, Micro SX 111 and FR64FX are among the best. It is now even harder to find the same SX111 like yours in its original market which is Japan. It combine vintage look but produces extremely good sound with quiet background. Have you tried your Dynavector with FR64FX?
Thanks! I was lucky with the TT have to admit as got it with a decent price. The prices for these tables seem to be going up all the time with the units in good condition. And it really is a piece of art :)
have not yet tried my Dynavector cartridge with FR64FX tonearm. I will most likely ship the Zu DL-103 to upgrade during the autumn and then it will be the time. Unfortunately my SUT is designed for DL-103 based cartridges but of course I can always use the Ensemble phonostage, which is usually connected to the Garrard/SME/T'fig combo..
Thanks! I was lucky with the TT have to admit as got it with a decent price. The prices for these tables seem to be going up all the time with the units in good condition. And it really is a piece of art :)
have not yet tried my Dynavector cartridge with FR64FX tonearm. I will most likely ship the Zu DL-103 to upgrade during the autumn and then it will be the time. Unfortunately my SUT is designed for DL-103 based cartridges but of course I can always use the Ensemble phonostage, which is usually connected to the Garrard/SME/T'fig combo..
Have you tried DL 103 LCII? I have been through many DL103, the sound from LCII version with modified wooden case bring me most (in my opinion and some of my friends). I currently use Altec 4722 as the main step up for the system, I tried also with some other cartridges including Dynavector 17D3 on FR64FX, Dynavector DV505, it worked very well. One secret I would like to share, DL103 (almost all kind) work perfectly with SAEC 308SX with it original ceramic head shell if you have chance, try it out :). It's interesting when setting up with SX111FV.
MarginWalker
07-08-2015, 10:45
I have just read through this entire thread. Some of the nicest looking, best photographed kit i have seem (i bet it sounds pretty good too!). Great stuff, Mika
Thank you for the kind words!
I've been home alone for few days and have to say that the evenings have been flying while having the lights off and listening some good music :)
Last weekend removed Transfiguration Phoenix cartridge from Garrard/SME combo for well earned retirement and replaced it with much cheaper Dynavector DV-20X2L. Have been playing it now for more than 10 LPs and it's starting to open up bit by bit. Interesting to make new fine adjustments after sometime and play little with the SME extra weights and also the silicone demp. I'm guessing that no extra weight is needed and pretty tiny amount of demp, if any..
Despite no complaints spinning some nice jazz after put kids to sleep and waiting Mrs to return from the night shift :)
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The Black Adder
14-10-2015, 18:54
Very nice, Mika.
Looks like a nice, calming place to be. :)
Mrs said that I need get rid of that yoghurt can I'm using for the cactus at the moment, and get some proper pot. So yeah, some complaints.. :cool:
:doh: women eh? whats wrong with yoghurt cans :)
Again some lovely photos Mika
Zoidburg
15-10-2015, 08:05
Wow that a wonderful looking system, I wish I could take photos of such quality.
Great that your son obviously enjoys your hobbie as well !
walpurgis
15-10-2015, 08:40
You do have some nice gear Mika. Very smart!
Yesterday started to tear my system down and move to safer ground from its current location as today received a pile of second hand Lundia shelves that I'm planning to use to build new LP storage system to my room as the previous one is getting way too small. The plan is to have the other end of the room (the one behind the system) to be filled with shelves and then also perform some minor adjustments to the acoustic treatment having at the room. Interesting to see how this will turn out as my room is not that big after all..
Despite of this hideous and cunning plan have also recently bought other set of speakers that have lusted for some time now and have wanted to try at my own room after some really nice demos. Have actually owned their ancestors years back, so interesting to hear how their upgraded fundamental idea of positioning will work here :eyebrows:
jandl100
13-12-2015, 19:07
have also recently bought other set of speakers that have lusted for some time now
:popcorn:
:popcorn: Harbeth's perhaps? nah, never mind...
"fundamental idea of positioning"...
Snell/Audio Note? Magnepan?
:popcorn: Harbeth's perhaps? nah, never mind...
"fundamental idea of positioning"...
Snell/Audio Note? Magnepan?
:popcorn:
In Finland we have idiom "pitää hullua jännityksessä" which means something like keeping the lunatics at their toes for excitement.. :D :D :D
I'll bloody lunatic you.
C'mon tell us what they are....
Nice choice Mika, I have often admired that speaker. ;-)
Yep, so the speakers are AN-J's coming from Jag.. :)
Aw, I guessed that.
Still, interesting speakers with a good rep. Never heard any though.
WOStantonCS100
17-12-2015, 03:17
Last weekend removed Transfiguration Phoenix cartridge from Garrard/SME combo for well earned retirement and replaced it with much cheaper Dynavector DV-20X2L. Have been playing it now for more than 10 LPs and it's starting to open up bit by bit. Interesting to make new fine adjustments after sometime and play little with the SME extra weights and also the silicone demp. I'm guessing that no extra weight is needed and pretty tiny amount of demp, if any..
Despite no complaints spinning some nice jazz after put kids to sleep and waiting Mrs to return from the night shift :)
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Sweeet! Nice gear and photo.
Thanks! Some progress happening with the shelves.. :)
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Lovely cosy vibe in that room as normal, Mika - such a great space in which to relax and enjoy some fab choons! :)
Marco.
Thanks Marco. I'm trying very hard to keep things like home here and not as some man cave by too serious audio engineer :cool:
How do you approach vinyls? In the photo area behind the system looks quite tight.
Otherwise wonderful ...:stalks:
There is approx 40cm space between the vinyls and the system plus it can be reached easily from the side of the speaker. So it's bit tight but still manageable despite not being the smallest bloke around. And the classical section of about 400 LPs is separated from the others the behind the rack and those are used less, so.. :D
The Black Adder
23-12-2015, 10:07
Mika, out of interest, how many LP's do you have?
Hmmm, i didn't even see that you had rearranged your vinyl collection until now! ;)
I looked and looked for the changes in shelving... in your equipment stand...
Haha!
Anyway, Hyvää Joulua!
Thanks Mike! Merry Christmas to you also!
Mika, out of interest, how many LP's do you have?
I would estimate something like 2300-2500 LP's including the classical section. Then around 100 LP's of some rubbish like top of the pops etc are stored to closet upstairs. So the most can be seen at the pic above..
The Black Adder
23-12-2015, 18:35
WOW! - lol - that's pretty amazing, Mika.
I'm still wondering about the Vicoustic panels actually... I think that would be a new years project.
Merry Christmas. :)
I would estimate something like 2300-2500 LP's then around 100 LP's of some rubbish
Very nice. Like it. As many LP's I am happier.
Merry Christmas everyone!
Old salt makes you thirsty I guess :D
Few weeks ago saw local sale add for Yamaha NS-1000M's in good condition and with very attractive price, so just had to salvage them. This way could use the one set of upgrade binding posts for these had had in my storage for years. Well after listening these some time now have to say they do not sound not bad at all being pretty transparent and accurate despite little harsh and lacking some of sheer power I'm used to have with the JBLs.
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Now have three pairs of very different speakers at my room, so I guess have to do some decisions before Mrs gives me the_eye for using our Aalto stools from kitchen.. :scratch:
Very nice Mika!
I keep eyeballing your JBL's on every new piccie here, they are so impressive looking and iconic! The NS-1000M are of course just as iconic, but a little less imposing. And you know i love them as they are my preferred choice in my own den.
You used to have NS-1000 domestic speakers too, are they gone?
And you mention a third set of speakers which i must have forgotten/missed?
I can understand that you're missing some grunt with the Yamahas visavi the JBL's but the harshness is unfamiliar to me.
Anyway, you have a very inviting listening space and i enjoy your musings as much as the beautiful pictures!
Atb Mike
Thanks Mike!
The domestic NS-1000 speakers I sold about year ago as they were too pretty to keep at storage somewhere. Planned to find minty pair of M-variants, so here we are. At the corners of the room there are some small upgraded Audio Note AN-J's. Despite they're trying to hide the best as they can, you can see glimpse of them also at the pic above.. :)
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dantheman91
12-02-2016, 21:43
Thanks Mike!
The domestic NS-1000 speakers I sold about year ago as they were too pretty to keep at storage somewhere. Planned to find minty pair of M-variants, so here we are. At the corners of the room there are some small upgraded Audio Note AN-J's. Despite they're trying to hide the best as they can, you can see glimpse of them also at the pic above.. :)
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Yes Bravo :cool: I own a pair superb indeed enjoy let us know you listening experience....:eyebrows:
Hi Mika
I am quite new to AoS and came across your comments re the NS1000 Tweaks thread in Past Masters, and now i have enjoyed going thru this thread of the evolution of your home system(s)
Amazing!
You started off on a high note already with Shindo amps that had us drooling, those cool Altecs with horns and supertweeters and your lovely Lorricraft 401.
I followed the thread as u switched to the McIntosh tube integrated, domestic NS1000, then the JBL monitors.
Now i note u have a pair of NS1000M, having sold the minty domestic monitors, and also the AN speakers in the corners!
Obviously u are very happy with the McIntosh and the way they drive the JBLs
I love my NS1000Ms and I was on that thread as I toy with the idea of driving them actively, but I am in no hurry.
They sound pretty good driven by any of my old Sansuis.
Just a comment about the AN speakers - one of the best systems i ever heard was a full ANUK system at a hifi show in KL here in Malaysia.
AN CD player into one of their integrated SETs (not the Ongaku, but a 'lesser' one with copper and silver internals) driving AN E s in the corners
They would play any type of music anyone wished - everyone was awestruck.
Anyways keep up this super thread Mika !
Oh i love your TU9500
I had a set of AN-Js for a few years and really regret selling them. Not because they were better than my current speakers, just because for something so unassuming looking, they were always a joy to listen too. Also a tad less imposing than 7ft high horns:-)
AN-J's sure are very enjoyable speakers to listen to!
Unfortunately it seems I cannot find that proper balance at my room as too near the corners things get immediately boomy and mess up the sound. then away from the walls the speakers seem not to be able to fill the room properly leaving many things to desire for. It might be that from AN lineup the AN-E would be the one to be demoed as despite the modest size my room seems to be capable of handling pretty big speakers as the house is wooden without any hard concrete walls etc. to give support to the smaller speakers plus the acoustic treatment etc. Have to still try few things before any actions to one way or the other..
In a way would like also to find some smallish solution less imposing than the JBLs but still sounding big and have everything the JBLs have. However, I know the quest might be doomed right from the start.. :D :D :D
Hi Mika, find it strange the AN-Js go boomy. My room is small, well treated acoustically and this was never a problem.I'd suggest the wooden stands are doing them no favours, mines were on replicas of the AN stands but welded from plate about 4x times as thick! A two man lift but made a huge difference to the sound.
I concur the stands are very important and especially the correct height that does not happen now in my setup.
Several weeks going back and forth with the speakers. Last weekend decided to stop and gave the Yamaha NS-1000M's to a fired for long term loan and also removed the AN-J's from the listening room for some time. Now it's all about reality check and just listening some music. Todays menu few albums of lovely PJ Harvey.
To celebrate this move here's a little cell phone pic for you. And yes, there is some dust at the deck.. :kiss:
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Several weeks going back and forth with the speakers. Last weekend decided to stop and gave the Yamaha NS-1000M's to a fired for long term loan and also removed the AN-J's from the listening room for some time. Now it's all about reality check and just listening some music. Todays menu few albums of lovely PJ Harvey.
To celebrate this move here's a little cell phone pic for you. And yes, there is some dust at the deck.. :kiss:
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I nearly bought the Zu myself Mika but decided that the Denon 301 Mk2 would be more compatible with my tonearm and system. Happily it has worked out very well but still deciding on wether to use a head amp or SUT.
I have no experience of the 301 variants but for the 103 I would choose the quality SUT any given day. There is just something ..hmm.. right at that combination.
I have no experience of the 301 variants but for the 103 I would choose the quality SUT any given day. There is just something ..hmm.. right at that combination.
Yep, agreed ... for the music I play, I have yet to hear a better vfm combination.
Will probably end up with a 103 + A23 SUT for my second system (Analogueworks Zero deck + Jelco 750D), in combo with a nice, heavy headshell I have waiting.
BTW, if anyone has an Auditorium23 'denon' SUT they want to sell, please pm me :D
The Black Adder
01-03-2016, 09:58
PJ Harvey, great choice. She's superb. :)
Despite of the cold weather outside - judging from the natural light flooding inside from the house windows the spring is coming and t's coming fast. Few days ago also Mrs. changed the curtains to the lighter green bamboo ones and have to say like these much more than the ones have for the winter and christmas.
To celebrate the event just had to take few pics. Only problem with the natural light is the urgent need to start dusting the system soon.. :)
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Like those big JBL's Mika. Bet they sound great with Jazz! :)
Lee Henley
20-03-2016, 16:56
Looks nice Mika, are those GIK panels, how are they performing mate?
Thanks! I removed the GIK tritraps I had when added the shelves to the front wall. The hybrid panels on the wall are from Vicoustic.
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anubisgrau
21-03-2016, 09:28
interesting, aren't you creating an asymetric acoustic in the room, given a huge glass surface on the left, opposite of the panels?
Those panels will only help with first reflections, mainly helping with treble and as you say Gordon totally non symmetrical.
The glass on the other side will do the opposite.
I would have thought bass traps would be needed more with those speakers in that size room?
True, the room and its acoustics are not symmetrical regarding the first reflection points. Luckily this is not a problem at normal to moderate listening levels as the JBLs being designed as mid-field monitors are more directional than boxes usually due to large front baffle and the acoustic lenses at the horns, also the tweeters are positioned in the inner edges to eliminate the early reflections.
The house is wooden and there are open walls to the kitchen and the hall, so despite of the small size of the room it could still take bigger speakers in terms of energy transfer, more critical issue would be the sound integration as the listening distance is only about 3 metres and this might occur etc with the larger horn designs e.g. Acapella or avantgarde speakers. in addition of the visible ones, behind the curtains and sofa etc there are significant number of sound absorbing panels hidden. Also there are no opposite walls left bare as that might result to the issues with the echo/noise and the room has pretty much stuff there balancing it nicely. Naturally the current end result is not pinpoint accurate, but serves the purpose pretty well as it measures pretty good and haven't heard any complaints from visitors :D
I have few different sound absorbing and diffusing panels already at storage and have already made some plans to improve the room still a bit based on some guides and my experience of the earlier listening rooms I have had. Most likely will do some minor adjustments still to the room e.g. for the ceiling to kill the reflections and make the bit better. Oh yes, and have been planning to get new bit bigger and thicker woolen carpet also.. :D
Are the JBL's designed to be used at floor level? I would image that you would have no problems with imaging and high frequencies in that room. Too much acoustic absorption can kill the sound so it is a happy balance.
I think bass is a bigger problem to control and get right, not sure how much your JBL kick out?
I have a friend who has taken room acoustics to the extreme where he has built two rooms entirely from scratch in an industrial unit and incorporated an unbelievable amount of acoustic panelling and enormous bass traps. All of the acoustic material is constructed from rock wool battens. He uses KEF Blades driven to the max and the sound is stunning especially with some extreme recordings. Amazing how the bass is controlled so well which allows you to hear perfect imaging and detail in the recording you would never know was there.
Very different from my own system which is a little more organic.:)
JBLs kick out pretty much bass and also go pretty low but the nature of the sound is still tight, punchy and controlled. Especially for being a reflex enclosure. As stated earlier the room could cope with even bigger speakers regarding that area. I also prefer organic and natural presentation over clinical and clean "hifi" sound and JBLs suite that preference really well.
Yesterday visited a local friend who has impressive system with Oracle Paris TT, Burmeister cd player, ASR amp and Penaudio Sinfonia loudspeakers. He listens mostly classical and orchestral music, and the system excels with that. The presentation of this system is neutral and clean with tons of resolution. Little bass heavy thou especially with pop and rock music. I'm still bit undecided do I actually like it or not but despite well spent afternoon with friends interested of the audio and music.. :cool:
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For the past few months I've been making myself familiar with the Audio Note sound as a final "test" being a loaner OTO SE driving my updated AN-J speakers with AN-L speaker cables. Well in short, I understand the pros for the system and being fed with quality source it actually does some things that my McIntosh/JBL system cannot perhaps do so well. There certain openness and musical coherence that my main rig cannot perform so well being more ..hmm.. neutral and monitor like. That being said my McIntosh/JBL system still is superior in many ways and also more balanced system as a whole. It might be that in my room should actually be looking AN-E's as despite the moderate size the wooden house and the acoustics do not supper smaller speaker in a manner that it might be needed.
Well, still like the Audio Note sound a lot but at the moment leaving that a side for a while returning the OTO SE loaner to its legimite owner :) Other news is that I've recently bought back the Audio Zone AMP-1 that used four years ago with my Altec horns and NS-1000 speakers. Really lovely minimalistic amp I've should have never sold.
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If interested of this one please check some online reviews available at web. Have just made some initial listening how it behaves with JBLs and have very positive feeling about this.. :)
Different type of chillin.. :)
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Nice Mika, she looks like a model from a 70s broschure of good HiFi! :)
And, i see you have let a pair of NS-1000Ms in the house too. Are there any differences from the domestic version you had before?
Atb Mike
Thanks Mike! ;)
This is my 4th pair of the M-variants during a long period of time, so not exactly anything new. Its been a while since the domestic ones were here, so direct comparison is not easy. I did that back in the days and felt that domestic ones were little more open and coherent sounding, which might have also been my imagination..
Not much happening here. New woolen carpet and few bonsai trees in da house but nothing really happening in terms of equipment, which is kind of a nice situation. Have been concentrating more to bike trips, swimming and saunas during my four week summer holiday. Also visited few festivals and live gigs during the summer.
Few smartphone pics as the battery of my DSLR was dead :)
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During the hot summer season used mostly the wee Audiozone AMP-1 chipamp but have now returned to the old reliable Mcintosh again as autumn nights are getting colder and extra heating is not that bad thing anymore. Have lately used both of my speakers and like them both really a lot, so feeling lucky there is no need for decision between them. Now listening Kamasi Washington's The Epic and the system really sings..
The pics may no be your usual stratospheric quality but more than good enough! :)
I have objections though. both the Mac and Mic(ro) deserve a better spot! ;) Im pretty sure you had a proper stand previously?
I had pretty big massive stand earlier but wanted to have more space and lighter feeling to room, so the stand is now located at my friends residence for undecided period :)
The floor is pretty straight and solid plus the Mac has stone base under, so no problem there. MS does not have anything there yet but that may be fixed during time. Or not as it has pretty nice mechanics already included for getting it leveled up and damping the vibrations etc. Taken elsewhere: "The suspension system is a combination of highly viscous oil, an air chamber, heavy duty tapered metal coils and compressed rubber insulators. This allows the SX turntables to be placed on a live loudspeaker and not suffer any kind of feedback - or so the literature says. This system was patented by Micro."
Yeah, i spotted the Solidtech rack on one of the previous pics afterwards. I can understand what you want to accomplish to.
I was mostly concerned about kneeling to put a record on, or adjust some dippedutt's on the Mac.
How about a Hifi Racks bench? A friend of mine has got one of them and its very "light" on the interior, and low for best acoustics.
Now thats something Mika!! Amazing shots :) I owned a pair of great sounding NS-500Ma's w. Beryllium tweeters..fantastic speakers..and I regret letting them go. Based on that I believe the NS-1000 can get the job done pretty well too?
Thanks for the compliments!
In my view the beryllium drivers and especially the dome midrange unit is one of the cornerstones for the NS-1000Ms. Have been quite a long time tempted to try the big brothers of these, the mighty http://www.thevintageknob.org/yamaha-FX-3.html despite the ported design. This might combine the strengths of NS-1000Ms and my JBLs but so far have not had the courage to go for it but never say never.. :D
The Black Adder
24-08-2016, 12:15
Do you find having the kit lower than the line of the mid/tweeter any better, Mika? I must admit with my set up that's certainly the case but just not viable with two 5 year olds running around.
Have to admit that at the time when took away the massive stand from between the speakers noticed positive impact at the presentation.
Shock Therapy! :eek:
After bought the Shindo Monbrison from Peter few months ago, I have made a lot of self study especially regarding my interest to the hifi and music. So far I have build my system by trial and error according my lust for specific type of gear. I have been pretty successful in many respects and received praise of the sound from my systems. However the path has been long and restless. The end result for me was that I'm at least for the time being bit tired of this and made a plan. A plan that would not have any extra sidesteps and would eventually take me to the full Shindo system.
As Shindo systems are rare and expensive planned to stay more or less foot with my current system. Then the faith stepped in and by some familiar contacts to the factory received very good deal of the last ever pair of Genelec 1038B active speakers leaving the factory soon. The deal included taking my Macintosh as a partial payment for the trade. As I needed anyway to update my McIntosh integrated to some poweramp decided to go for it. So, now I have stored the JBLs to storage for some time, rearranged my system a bit and I'm driving these active monster with the Shindo preamp.
They sound marvellous but perhaps bit different that I'm used to. This is not a surprise as have even some years ago auditioned these speakers at several places while considering to buy them. This is a clear sidestep (of course it is!) but I reason this to myself by having a simple and good enough system to listen music while figuring out how to get there to full Shindo system. Or then something else if that seems to be the case. So, interested to see how this evolves but in the meantime few pics.. :D
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Duplicate due to broken trackpad :)
Well, I certainly wasn't expecting that! :lol:
Actually, I once partnered an EAR 864 valve pre with some ATC actives, which turned out to be a surprisingly fine combination.
A fine idea. I have a full Shindo system. Once you get there you won't want anything else that's for sure!
Somehow this just suites the occasion:
“Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Holy shit! What a Ride!” :D
Ok few days ago my carpenter friend brought me matching stand for my Micro Seiki than the speakers already have. Fits like a glove.. :D
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British high fidelity
30-11-2016, 09:10
Wow the a king and his throne very nice
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loveoscar
01-12-2016, 10:04
Beautiful, and the tt ain't either.
Thats more like it! I felt a bit sorry for the Micro as it were on the floor... Like something the missus would batter with the vacuum cleaner or the kids to use for target practice or such! :)
Hope your enjoying your beautiful system while journeying to Shindo-land!
Parkie37
21-02-2017, 00:15
Thanks for sharing your adventure Mika. It has been quite enjoyable to read through. I suspect that I would really enjoy listening to your system.
Don
Long time no update but considering there has been only few minor updates lately in my system like the higher grade Graditech cables http://www.graditech.fi/g-cable/, that is no surprise. The music flows nicely on daily basis and my system seems to live the most stable phase in more than 20 years.
So here are two mobile pics from the yesterdays jazz session we kept with minima in the middle of the house vacuuming task promised for Mrs. If you have not checked out the latest album Pekka by Verneri Pohjola yet, I suggest you do that asap. Have a nice midsummer all!
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Bigman80
23-06-2017, 08:35
YODA!!!!
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Lovely Mika!
Would you mind telling us a bit about the sound from the Genelecs? Suppose they are highly revealing, but do they work well from a distance also? I suppose they are studio control monitors for close up listening mainly?
They are indeed highly revealing but as they are intended as mid-size monitors not used in near-field monitoring but in more open spaces, they work extremely well in listening distances you would normally use in rooms like mine. With the independent microadjustments for low/mid/high areas it is easy to compensate the placement and the room acoustics if needed.
The sound is revealing, effortless and dynamic without being harsh or too bright. Neutral in positive sense. And with quality preamp and cables I've been able to introduce also the finesse that might be the bottleneck in a systems like this. And as you know my history has been with HQ tubes and horns, so I have some references to back this statement up. I understand why many have doubts for the active systems especially coming from studiomonitoring background but with certain actions it is possible to get very strong bang for the buck ratio. I think I have managed to demo this to some others interested about the subject here in Finland.
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All in all, I'm still very pleased for the system and have no plans to upgrade #audiophilianervosa :D
Excellent write-up Mika! I'll definently try and hear these bigger Genelecs if an opportunity appear!
I see a glimpse of some acoustic treatment in the lower half of the face of the gentleman in sweetspot too? ;) Diffusion/Absorption?
Are your Genelec's the £10,000 model?
^^ Yes there might be some significant diffusion happening there at OPs facial area :eek:
The speakers are Genelec 1038B, which is approx 10,000£ per pair in UK I guess. My pair was the last pair leaving the factory and also with the extra real-wood veneered enclosures before the new 1238A with the in-house DSP replaced the model.
Hi Mika.
Are you driving them with the Monbrison? I could see that being a 'best of both worlds' combination.
Yes I am. I know that some are against mix&match principle but Shindo Monbrison is important part of the equation :)
Really loong loong time without any posts to this forum. Steady life without any changes to the system, so pretty boring in that sense. It seems that the Shindo & Genelec combination killed nice hobby of mine :D Despite music still flows and also today have been listening about a dozen LPs during my day off from the office. Perhaps need to start planning the cartridge retipping soon as the counter keeps growing and growing for both TTs..
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Nice to hear from you Mika. It's been a long time, but good to learn you are still enjoying your system. :)
I agree! I like seeing your photos and reports on everything from fat biking in the snow to turntables!
Anyways, good to hear from you!
Thanks guys!
Guess what I've been doing when not working, hanging out with the family, listening music or staring wristwatches :)
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Excellent! Great piccies as usual!
Still here occasionally and this time it's summer in Finland +28 deg of C :eek:
Nothing much changed here in ages but during the past weeks made diy lens diffusers looking a bit like Argent Room Lenses. Have had these tubes at the garage for years and just somehow thought to try those out as had really not anything better to do. The elements turned out just fine and have been now in use for few days to have some opinion of the impact also.
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I think the ones located at the outer side of the speakers have clear impact to the first reflections but dunno yet about the middle one. It seems that the system sounds little bit more coherent, open and clearer with slightly improved transient response at the mid and upper range. Clearly an improvement, so I guess i let these stay as it s easy to remove these to the side of the room if needed in case of Mrs giving a lecture for the relatives coming to visit us and I have have black ugly tubes at the living room.. :mental:
Just spotted this interesting thread and the bike is also superb.... My son races and I see stuff all the time but your steed really caught my eye.....
Thanks! Have two tailored custom bikes out of seven and one in order at the moment, so yeah the bikes are really my thing :)
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considering the music system in my living room no big changes here. Some time ago sold my "collectors" Micro Seiki TT as use my old reliable Garrard much more in everyday listening and felt that two heavy TTs are bit too much. Few months ago retipped my Transfiguration Phoenix II cartridge in Netherlands and fitted that back to my Garrard/SME V combo as the DV20x2 started to have the hours full. Happy for that as now during the pandemy have much more time listening music despite have been working normally so far as I'm working as a nurse..
7 Bikes :eek:. As Noel Keywood ( hi fi world ) once said to somebody who had 24 pairs of speakers where do you put them all ?. Mind you its Finland so room should be plenty I suppose.
Only 2 bikes myself, BMC and Condor single speed. Do you have many ( or any ) bike thieves Mike like the UK ?. Now to read the rest of your thread.
Shovel_Knight
18-04-2020, 13:36
Must be one of the most accomplished systems out there. I have never heard any of the large Genelecs but during my media production days heard quite a lot of their smaller monitors, they all were extremely good. The large ones must be stunning.
Also: this cozy room looks exactly how I imagine my perfect place!
Do you have many ( or any ) bike thieves Mike like the UK ?
There are some but i's pretty quiet still here in north compared to the capital area or real big world out there. Below few pics of the bikes I have in daily use in addition of the custom Konga fatbike. Konga randonneur. Genesis Vagabond, vintage Peugeot MTB plus Omnium Mini cargo. Then have few projects ongoing, one vintage roadbike and one other vintage MTB single speed. Oh yeah and one fixed old Nishiki Roadmaster also.. :rolleyes:
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Must be one of the most accomplished systems out there. I have never heard any of the large Genelecs but during my media production days heard quite a lot of their smaller monitors, they all were extremely good. The large ones must be stunning.
Also: this cozy room looks exactly how I imagine my perfect place!
Thanks! And yeah these big ones in a room with moderate acoustic treatment and carefully matched system are really something else than many hifi/hiend speakers have to say.
Been a while already at the new address but this is what it looks like here at the moment.. :)
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You've got a lot of vinyl!
How are you finding the Genelecs?
Wakefield Turntables
09-10-2022, 17:19
Welcome back Mika nice to hear from you again, keep posting.
Good to hear from you again Mika.
As others have noted, you have an admirable and enviously large record collection there. :)
How does your system sound in its new home?
Good to see you up n at em again Mika.
Systems looking great Sir.
Thanks y'all!
You've got a lot of vinyl!
How are you finding the Genelecs?
Still after more than six years they amaze me with their performance. Especially the bass is highly articulate and musical with plenty of depth and grunt. Otherwise their sonic signature is very neutral and simultaneously not very forgiving, so have added some room treatment again and perhaps still would need some as the room is bit smaller than the previous wooden house I had.
Have also other set of speakers under renovation at the moment, classic JBL L112 monitors. These sounded very promising already in relatively bad condition and really waiting how they will perform..
Thanks y'all!
Still after more than six years they amaze me with their performance. Especially the bass is highly articulate and musical with plenty of depth and grunt. Otherwise their sonic signature is very neutral and simultaneously not very forgiving, so have added some room treatment again and perhaps still would need some as the room is bit smaller than the previous wooden house I had.
Have also other set of speakers under renovation at the moment, classic JBL L112 monitors. These sounded very promising already in relatively bad condition and really waiting how they will perform..
It's getting that ideal combination of revealing sound quality but still keeping it relaxing to listen to isn't it?
L112 are lovely, I have been after some classic JBL myself but very little on offer at the moment.
Today sold my big Genelec monitors, so the L112's took over the main system. What next, that is the question.. ��
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great pics mika.. lovely room too
New era..
..at least for a while as restless we are by nature says my wife :D
Long time no update but approx half year ago bought Altec 604E Alnico Super Duplexes in Shindo inspired large custom cabinets. The drivers were recently serviced by Great Plains Audio and also got modern autoformer XOs. These are lovely speakers and sound very very real driven at the moment by tiny Audio Note P-Zero monos. Received also Jungsons modern take of the classic LS3/5A monitors from my son, who has used them for years and now moved to other city to study at the pop jazz conservatory and took only the small Genelecs with him. Well, luckily have super heavy filled Pirates stands available to use with these when feel like it.
Here are few pics at the current room and system:
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I’m a late joiner to this thread , it’s been a great read thanks @Mika K for creating it
Thanks!
Here the beat goes on and the Audio Note P Zeros have been replaced by First Watt M2 power amp. Or actually DIY version based on Nelson Pass plans and by a very accomplished builder. The amp sounds wonderful and works very well with the Altecs. Also the streamer has been upgraded to Innuos Zen Mini mkIII from the old Sonos based system and this was a very positive change indeed.
We are also in a process to flip our apartment to a little different one, so interesting times..
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