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    I've got a pair of treasured SD Acoustics speakers that have bass drivers in need of a re-foam job. I fancied having a go at this myself, but I didn't want to make a mess of it so I thought I'd get myself a cheap pair of knackered speakers and make a trial run before doing the real thing. The idea being that I could pay next to nothing for them, learn a few valuable lessons and then sell them on as a working pair for, perhaps, a small profit. Great idea - an education in speaker repair and small scale economics all rolled into one and maybe a bit of fun too, for good measure.

    So, at the end of last month, I managed to snag a pair of Acoustic Research 44BX's for a very good price indeed. Great, I thought - 3-ways. That'll give me 4 drivers to practice on! In the photo of them, they looked intact, but if I know anything about AR speakers, it's that if the foam hasn't got yet, it's only because no-one's checked them. The minute anyone touches them they'll crumble!

    When I arrived at the vendor's place to pick them up, he told me that the mid-range drivers had gone but he hadn't noticed them when he took the photos for the advert. However, the bass drivers had been changed a while ago. So, only two drivers to work on then, but cheaper, so on balance not bad.

    I had thought the project might make an interesting subject for a thread on AoS, then, guess what? Just a couple of days later, Alan posted a thread describing in great detail exactly how he had done a similar job - 'Allison Bass driver repair'

    In Alan's excellent thread he described how he had chosen to remove the dust caps & use shims to centre the voice coil in the gap - something I had decided that I was going to avoid if possible.

    So, somewhat spurred on, but also slightly worried, by Alan's thread, I ordered some foam rings, did some reading and waited. On Sunday, I took the mid-range drivers out of the cabinets:




    Totally knackered foam, but the spiders were in good nick, with no sagging at all and plenty of bounce-back.

    I noted that the cabinets were quite well built, despite the vinyl wrap, the mid-range drivers having their own separate enclosure to work into. The front baffle is MDF & the remainder of the carcass is of quite good quality chipboard (if there is such a thing!).

    The clean-up job took a long time - lots of isoprop' alcohol, delicate work with various craft knives of different sizes and plenty of care and patience.

    So, today was the day when things went back together. I glued the inner rims first and gave them an hour to set. After this, I started to get really worried about getting those voice coils properly centred, as whatever I did, I didn't seem able to consistently find the sweet spot.

    Then I remembered there was an AoS thread which mentioned using a battery to charge the coil in order for it to pulse and eventually cause it to centre itself.
    A quick search found Rob (hoopsontoast) and his 'My bits and pieces' thread, where James said:

    Quote Originally Posted by istari_knight View Post
    I find it best to glue the internal ring first evenly as possible then immediately after gluing the outer ring you can center the cone without shims by using a AAA battery, connect + on the battery to the + solder tab & likewise for the negative. You need to connect & immediately disconnect until its centered (normally 5-10 times) - This way it centers itself... Providing the pva hasn't set!
    Well! This is what I tried and it worked like a dream - not a sign of any rubbing. What an absolutely brilliant piece of advice, thanks a lot James - I owe you one!

    So, the work continued:



    ...........and I ended up with two fantastic looking drive units:



    I connected them to the Levinson ML9 and they sounded great. The photo below has them looking fairly small beside the big Mirages but they're actually quite substantial stand mounters at 0.77m tall, with a footprint of just over 33 cm x 33 cm - a 10" woofer and, bloody hell, can they do bass?! I'm actually thinking I may not sell these at all & keep them instead, to use in one of the other house systems instead of some little Tannoys - dropped onto some proper stands, they could be something quite special - we'll see.



    Anyway, now I feel completely confident in tackling the SD Acoustic speakers, which was the whole point of the exercise.
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    Nice job, how did you manage to keep the glue line so neat, can't see any excess glue on the cones?

    I have only ever done one set of surrounds, that was on a pair of Videton Minimax bass units. The foam surrounds had completely disintegrated. I had a pair of burnt out KEF B110's (not by me!) and the rubber surrounds from this fitted almost perfectly.

    Speakers still working fine several years later.
    Spendorman

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    I used a syringe with a blunt needle to run a bead of glue around the cone and the edge of the surround - this ensured that it was easy to control the amount applied.

    Something like this

    I allowed the glue to partly dry before clapping the two parts together. The inner rims went well, but for some reason, things got a bit messy with the outer trim gasket in the places around the screw holes but it all cleaned up nicely.

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    That is something I just have to try!
    I have a pair of Velodyne in the garage..I was just about to offer them on here for peanuts when I seen this post...maybe Ill give it a try.
    GT

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Grand Wazoo View Post
    I used a syringe with a blunt needle to run a bead of glue around the cone and the edge of the surround - this ensured that it was easy to control the amount applied.

    Something like this

    I allowed the glue to partly dry before clapping the two parts together. The inner rims went well, but for some reason, things got a bit messy with the outer trim gasket in the places around the screw holes but it all cleaned up nicely.
    Ah, just like my doctor uses!

    Thanks, that is useful, I may have a go at doing some foams on JPW AP3 bass units. Would be nice to have those going.
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    It did occur to me that to have the drive unit sitting centrally on a turntable of some sort - maybe a lazy susan would be the thing - then it would make the glue application even easier, especially if you could get someone else to rotate it for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Grand Wazoo View Post
    It did occur to me that to have the drive unit sitting centrally on a turntable of some sort - maybe a lazy susan would be the thing - then it would make the glue application even easier, especially if you could get someone else to rotate it for you.
    Yes, seen a video on youtube that did that. Could use my TD124 II or Technics SL110 lol.
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    I just tried to find the diameter of the syringe needle I used. I bought a selection with a range of sizes a while back when I was messing about with silicone damping fluid. However, they're colour coded & not marked with the actual diameter, so I checked the website of the place I got them from and they appear to be:

    18 Gauge - 0.84mm Inside Diameter - Pink

    That size seemed to give the right sort of diameter bead of glue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spendorman View Post
    Yes, seen a video on youtube that did that. Could use my TD124 II or Technics SL110 lol.
    No - the spindle would be in the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Grand Wazoo View Post
    No - the spindle would be in the way.
    I was hoping that no one would think of that, then I can use a Dual 1019 where the spindle is removable.

    For lower quality speakers, I could use one of the Garrard SP25's in the loft, removable spindle too.
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