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    Quote Originally Posted by Mains Cables R Us View Post
    nice indeed, wait till you see my new rack, hopefully before the end of this month
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Lol... Excuse me if, as a multi-phase Mana user (with every bit of his kit under glass shelves), I refute that bollocks categorically!

    As ever, folk come up with stuff based on arguable 'facts' achieved in one context, and then foolishly try applying them universally elsewhere.... The real 'facts' of the matter are that the results you get with glass depends on in which context it's being used!

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    Glass rings and stores energy , it has an influence on the kit that's placed on it , if you like it then fill your boots but I hate it and yes I've heard Mana tables and didn't like them either , its my own opinion of course but there it is .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Lol... Excuse me if, as a multi-phase Mana user (with every bit of his kit under glass shelves), I refute that bollocks categorically!

    As ever, folk come up with stuff based on arguable 'facts' achieved in one context, and then foolishly try applying them universally elsewhere.... The real 'facts' of the matter are that the results you get with glass depends on in which context it's being used!

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    I take it you don't agree with him Marco

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Lol... Excuse me if, as a multi-phase Mana user (with every bit of his kit under glass shelves), I refute that bollocks categorically!

    As ever, folk come up with stuff based on arguable 'facts' achieved in one context, and then foolishly try applying them universally elsewhere.... The real 'facts' of the matter are that the results you get with glass depends on in which context it's being used!

    Marco.
    There are no 'facts' here, just opinions. If you like the sound of Mana, then that's fine. If someone else thinks it sounds pants, that's fine too. That's at the same time the best and the worst thing about the subjectivist approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris@panteg View Post
    Glass rings and stores energy , it has an influence on the kit that's placed on it ,
    I have to say this is true. The difference whan I changed from the standard glass shelves on my Atacama rack to their twin layer glass ones that have a layer of damping material inbetween was not small.

    As to the original rack that Marco posted, though - that is rather elegant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beobloke View Post
    I have to say this is true. The difference whan I changed from the standard glass shelves on my Atacama rack to their twin layer glass ones that have a layer of damping material inbetween was not small.

    As to the original rack that Marco posted, though - that is rather elegant.
    Have you tried the bamboo shelves yet Adam?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris@panteg View Post
    Glass rings and stores energy , it has an influence on the kit that's placed on it , if you like it then fill your boots but I hate it and yes I've heard Mana tables and didn't like them either , its my own opinion of course but there it is .
    If you don't like it, Chris, that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion. However, your statement above shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how Mana works. Remember that it's not only glass that's used, but other materials, such as metal spikes and wood (MDF). The cumulative sonic effect gained, with partnering equipment, is the result of how all those materials interface with each other.

    It's worth pointing out here too that, before I used Mana, I hated all other metal equipment supports with glass shelves, for the very reasons you state! Think about why that might be... The clue is in the fourth and fifth sentences of the first paragraph, above (and is what separates Mana from all other metal and glass equipment supports)

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    Jeez Marco I didn't even bring Mana into this or how it works, as far as I know it's no longer available, save for a 2nd hand buy? But it seems most racks these days are moving away from glass and on to bamboo or all wood creations.

    Ok let's say that Mana works despite using glass, but it's not even an option for me plus I don't like glass from a cosmetic point of view either.

    It's interesting that Malcolm Steward is now using a Quadrasphire sonoko vent rack, which has bamboo shelves, he was a Mana user back in the day I believe.

    I'm just looking for a good rack, and once and for all purchase, not another Mana fana debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Lol... Excuse me if, as a multi-phase Mana user (with every bit of his kit under glass shelves), I refute that bollocks categorically!

    As ever, folk come up with stuff based on arguable 'facts' achieved in one context, and then foolishly try applying them universally elsewhere.... The real 'facts' of the matter are that the results you get with glass depends on in which context it's being used!

    Marco.
    I use a 4-tier Mana reference rack and a Sound Table for my turntable, unphased as I prefer it on my suspended wooden floor, didn't with concrete floor though. It is easily the coolest looking, and decently priced, rack ever.

    I find it adds a slight "live sound" colouration. That's the point though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris@panteg View Post
    Jeez Marco I didn't even bring Mana into this or how it works, as far as I know it's no longer available, save for a 2nd hand buy? But it seems most racks these days are moving away from glass and on to bamboo or all wood creations.

    Ok let's say that Mana works despite using glass, but it's not even an option for me plus I don't like glass from a cosmetic point of view either.

    It's interesting that Malcolm Steward is now using a Quadrasphire sonoko vent rack, which has bamboo shelves, he was a Mana user back in the day I believe.

    I'm just looking for a good rack, and once and for all purchase, not another Mana fana debate.
    That's absolutely fine, mate. I rarely mention Mana, as since it's no longer available, it's largely irrelevant. All I was doing (and what started this) was challenging/putting into proper context what you stated in post #9:

    Quote Originally Posted by chris@panteg
    I believe that glass is one of the worst materials you should put under you're kit...
    Incidentally, I rate the QS Sunoko Vent - very nice indeed. If I ever had to get rid of my Mana racks, that's probably what I would use!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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