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    I was prompted to start this by DaveK's comments on his Homar cable. Rather than just a change of box lets have details of mods, cables, foo stuff that in your system have had a profound effect and not hurt your pocket too much.

    For me it was changing from copper speaker cable to silver. On the Wam someone mentioned an Ebay seller of a discontinued make-I think it was called Speed of Light and I bought two 3 metre lengths for £38. They added a sparkle that simply wasn't there before, opened the soundstage and tightened the bass.
    So lets have some details of your experiences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Covenant View Post
    For me it was changing from copper speaker cable to silver. On the Wam someone mentioned an Ebay seller of a discontinued make-I think it was called Speed of Light and I bought two 3 metre lengths for £38. They added a sparkle that simply wasn't there before, opened the soundstage and tightened the bass.
    Hi Jerry,
    Hope this is not too far off topic but do you have any opinions on the use of silver speaker cables vs copper speaker cables in general, rather than the specific cables that you swapped. I ask because, some time ago, I 'impulse' bought off eBay what I thought to be some 'bargin' silver speaker cables and never fitted them 'cos Gaz drew my attention to another eBay 'bargin' on speaker cables that he had tried and recommended (purple and green insulation). I always prefer a proven solution and, after fitting them and being happy with the improvement, I forgot the silver ones .
    In your opinion does the guage of the wire contribute to any improvement? My coppere ones are considerably larger diameter than the silver ones.
    Having typed all this I guess the answer I'm most likely to get is "Suck 'em and see". .
    Cheers,
    DaveK.

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    I think there are too many variables to give a definative answer-some people think that the purity of the silver is important. In all honesty I dont know what I have got myself as the information on Ebay was sparse.
    The only useful thing I have noted about silver, as opposed to copper is that when it oxidises the oxidant is also conductive. I guess this is more of an issue at the contacts.
    Anyway I wont be going back to copper anytime soon.
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    AV system: LG 55B7, Denon AVR -x2300w receiver, Quad 12L (front) 11c Centre and 11L rear . Velodyne DD15 subwoofer.

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    Dave DSJR will be along shortly, I'm sure - he persuaded me to get rid of my silver anniversary qed cable last week in favour of the Mark Grant stuff... maybe a mod could move from post #2 to a separate topic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_UK View Post
    Dave DSJR will be along shortly, I'm sure - he persuaded me to get rid of my silver anniversary qed cable last week in favour of the Mark Grant stuff...
    Hi Alex,
    Don't leave me hangin' in mid air - can I take it that you preferred the copper (?) Mark Grant stuff to the QED Anniversary silver stuff?
    Cheers,
    PS When are you going to formally comment on Mike's cable - it's always nice to have someone else agree with my findings, hopefully .
    DaveK.

    My System:
    Power: Belkin PF40, Custom.hifi.cables Hydra and DC PSUs.
    Sources: Self built HTPC with Xonar ST sound card, NAD T585 multi disc player, Sony BDP-S350, Squeezebox Touch, Techncs SL1210 (mod'd) + Nagaoka MP30, Thomson Sky HD box.
    Amps etc.: 2 x Mini-T amps, MF-X10D Valve buffer clone, StanDAC 7520/Caiman (mod'd).
    Speakers: Mission 774s with added super tweeters
    Cables: best I can afford and likely to change except Homar's RF attenuated co-ax's and Mark Grant USB and HDMI cables. I also like silver i/cs and speaker cable.

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    I think Silver Anniversary is silver coated copper but I wouldnt swear to it. I use it in my AV system and it was laid beneath laminate flooring so wont be changed anytime soon.
    Jerry
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    AV system: LG 55B7, Denon AVR -x2300w receiver, Quad 12L (front) 11c Centre and 11L rear . Velodyne DD15 subwoofer.

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    Got several pairs of Mark's cables yesterady and think they are excellent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Covenant View Post
    I think Silver Anniversary is silver coated copper but I wouldnt swear to it. I use it in my AV system and it was laid beneath laminate flooring so wont be changed anytime soon.
    Sorry - yes, I didn't realise you were talking PURE silver - that would probably be very different indeed.

    QED Silver Anniversary is silver coated copper - the thread is http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3560 - post 7 onwards...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_UK View Post
    Dave DSJR will be along shortly, I'm sure - he persuaded me to get rid of my silver anniversary qed cable last week
    A wise move!... God awful stuff IME

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    The main problem I have is that I have pretty much changed EVERYTHING between source and speakers in the last month or so - and it is getting really hard to pinpoint the biggest change... but I must say that on the day 1 evidence yesterday, I wouldn't argue with Dave about Mike's cable - it really has moved the CD replay (via Caiman) up to another level - on just about all fronts - but mainly the soundstage is just so much bigger - the bass tighter, the treble less harsh - I was using a very cheap Monster ebay special cable, because "digital cables don't matter, they're only transferring 1's and 0's"...
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    Alex

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