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Modern MM Cartridge on old Amplifier
Hi all
Just wondering
What is the result if a modern MM cartridge is used with the Phono stage of a older vintage amplifier.
Most if not all modern cartridges are made to work with an impedance between 100 & 200pF but my old Pioneer as an input impedance of over 300pF, what would the result be if I used a modern cartridge with this Amp.
I am currently using a Denon DL-110 MC and was told MC cartridges are not affected my the input impedance, is that correct.
Thanks for your input on this.
Paul
Current setup Thorens TD-160 Mk1 with Denon DL-110 MC Cartridge, Pioneer PD-8700 CD Player, Yamaha AX-592 Amp, Yamaha CDX-810 CD Player, Yamaha KX-480 Cassette Deck, Yamaha TX-492RDS Tuner, Monitor Audio Bronze 5 speakers, Van-Damme Cables throughout.
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The cartridge will not sound as intended. The most likely result of exceedingly high capacitive loading is that the high frequency resonance will be shifted lower into the audio band resulting in bright sound. And don't forget to add cable capacitance (usually about 100pF) to the total.Originally Posted by Paul-H
MC cartridges usually don't care about capacitive loading but are fussy about resistive loading. DL-110 is a high output MC cartridge designed for standard 47kOhm resistive loading.
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I'm Paul.
The specs for my Amp show the MM side is 50Kohm so assume its ok, it sound ok.
Current setup Thorens TD-160 Mk1 with Denon DL-110 MC Cartridge, Pioneer PD-8700 CD Player, Yamaha AX-592 Amp, Yamaha CDX-810 CD Player, Yamaha KX-480 Cassette Deck, Yamaha TX-492RDS Tuner, Monitor Audio Bronze 5 speakers, Van-Damme Cables throughout.
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Why on earth would you want to spoil the sound of a vintage amp with a modern cart?
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Presumably because Paul doesn't have a 'vintage' cartridge to use with his vintage amp.Why on earth would you want to spoil the sound of a vintage amp with a modern cart?
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RubbishWhy on earth would you want to spoil the sound of a vintage amp with a modern cart?
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I would have thought it'd simply be a case of trying a cartridge, and if you like the sound, great. And if you don't, try something else. But what do I know, I'm hoping someone with better ears than me at Kegworth will be able to tell me whether my 2M black could be set up better
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+1 I'm inclined to agree!
Barry
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I'm Paul.
My pockets are not as deep as yoursso just dropping a few hundred just to try is not can option for me. Not that I was going to as I am happy with the one I have, as said at the being, I was just wondering what the effect would be, having been told modern MM carts do not work well with older AMPS.
Thanks for all the replies though.
Current setup Thorens TD-160 Mk1 with Denon DL-110 MC Cartridge, Pioneer PD-8700 CD Player, Yamaha AX-592 Amp, Yamaha CDX-810 CD Player, Yamaha KX-480 Cassette Deck, Yamaha TX-492RDS Tuner, Monitor Audio Bronze 5 speakers, Van-Damme Cables throughout.
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Just buy and trust your ears. TBH nobody on the forum is going to know how it sounds in your system, we can only speculate.
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