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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    Yes, that is pretty much my view as well, and every interpretation of the stats tends to have a political agenda behind it, one way or another.

    One thing I have noticed over the years is that people who have spent all their lives in a comfortable middle-class environment tend to have unrealistic expectations as to the standard of living that the less well-of should be entitled to.

    If you've always had money then the idea of not having much money seems terrifying. The term 'Just About Managing' pretty much sums that up. Fact is 99.999999 percent of the global population go through their lives 'just about managing' and don't think anything of it. The concept is only terrifying to the well-off.
    I think that for once we virtually agree.

    What I find very sad is that a lot of people in western society have had it very good say in comparison the less well developed countries, and that can be miss-leading as well. If we just focus on the uk then part of the issue is that expectation levels of what is the norm and what people should aspire to own is not necessarily realistic. House ownership is becoming harder, ownership of a car in terms of vfm is good but if you can’t own a house then isn’t a car a luxury item. Then we have the myriads of hi tech goods, computers, tablets, mobile phones, multi media TVs and all the streaming and tv subscriptions that go along with, oh and then there is the must have broadband service, without this you are nobody. Sadly imo a lot of this stuff is unneeded but advertising and peer pressure tells us it is. Then we have the unreality shows that show extreme wealth and ownership of luxury goods and brand labels, giving the message without x y and z you are nobody, not a great message.

    Even I am subject to it, I’m still on an iPhone 5s my second iphone from new in 9 years. My colleagues sneer and snigger at it and me saying I’m out of date and it’s old hat, really! Unfortunately the younger people are conditioned from an early age to have the newest and if possible the best, and that is not necessarily supported by quality or substance, but popularity.

    Yes I have been guilty of this and probably still am in certain aspects, like most the more you have the more you spend, whether you need it or not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AJSki2fly View Post
    I think that for once we virtually agree.

    What I find very sad is that a lot of people in western society have had it very good say in comparison the less well developed countries, and that can be miss-leading as well. If we just focus on the uk then part of the issue is that expectation levels of what is the norm and what people should aspire to own is not necessarily realistic. House ownership is becoming harder, ownership of a car in terms of vfm is good but if you can’t own a house then isn’t a car a luxury item. Then we have the myriads of hi tech goods, computers, tablets, mobile phones, multi media TVs and all the streaming and tv subscriptions that go along with, oh and then there is the must have broadband service, without this you are nobody. Sadly imo a lot of this stuff is unneeded but advertising and peer pressure tells us it is. Then we have the unreality shows that show extreme wealth and ownership of luxury goods and brand labels, giving the message without x y and z you are nobody, not a great message.

    Even I am subject to it, I’m still on an iPhone 5s my second iphone from new in 9 years. My colleagues sneer and snigger at it and me saying I’m out of date and it’s old hat, really! Unfortunately the younger people are conditioned from an early age to have the newest and if possible the best, and that is not necessarily supported by quality or substance, but popularity.

    Yes I have been guilty of this and probably still am in certain aspects, like most the more you have the more you spend, whether you need it or not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    fancy phone ehmine's a 5c; its poorer cousin. still does the job, and it was second hand too...lol
    Yep I as long as it works who cares, although I did go for the flash gold 5S, says it all really

    Now back to more interesting stuff called music and hifi or even lofi
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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    fancy phone ehmine's a 5c; its poorer cousin. still does the job, and it was second hand too...lol
    I got a 6 cheap off ebay & have a sim only contract (about £16 a month?), my other half has an 8 on contract, think she pays around £40 a month and I can't tell much difference between her phone & my phone & today's chart/pop music is pretty dire..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy S View Post
    I got a 6 cheap off ebay & have a sim only contract (about £16 a month?), my other half has an 8 on contract, think she pays around £40 a month and I can't tell much difference between her phone & my phone & today's chart/pop music is pretty dire..
    yup, ive got a sim from virgin. £12 a month. might be 13 now.. they phoned me up during black friday and said they would save a lot of money with a new phone. i said i could save a lot more by keeping my phone
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    “You see these dictators on their pedestals, surrounded by the bayonets of their soldiers and the truncheons of their police ... yet in their hearts there is unspoken fear. They are afraid of words and thoughts: words spoken abroad, thoughts stirring at home -- all the more powerful because forbidden -- terrify them. A little mouse of thought appears in the room, and even the mightiest potentates are thrown into panic.”

    "You don't have free will. You have the appearance of free will.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    yup, ive got a sim from virgin. £12 a month. might be 13 now.. they phoned me up during black friday and said they would save a lot of money with a new phone. i said i could save a lot more by keeping my phone
    I have always bought a SIM free phone and aim to keep it for 3 years or longer. I only really use my mobile for incoming calls and data so find that a £10 top up lasts me a month or two. The only time I buy a package is when I go overseas and buy a Three Network package with data roaming. Aside from purchasing the original Samsung Note when it first came out, I usually wait until a phone has been on the market for a while and is heavily discounted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy S View Post
    I got a 6 cheap off ebay & have a sim only contract (about £16 a month?), my other half has an 8 on contract, think she pays around £40 a month and I can't tell much difference between her phone & my phone & today's chart/pop music is pretty dire..
    My iPhone 5 is a cast off from a family member and is more than good enough for me. I'm far too lazy to spend time learning all of its features, so no point upgrading. My sim-only contract is £13 a month (EE) and gives all the whatever that I need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    fancy phone ehmine's a 5c; its poorer cousin. still does the job, and it was second hand too...lol
    Lol... I still don't even have a Smartphone - my mobile phone is more than 10 years old! Wonder what Adrian's sniggerers would think of me, eh?

    I couldn't give a monkey's toss, and that's about the level of importance/relevance superficial tossers like that occupy. One thing that age and experience *should* bring is the self-assuredness and confidence not to give a fuck what anyone thinks of you (or how they judge you), and do what YOU want, what YOU think is right, regardless!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Lol... I still don't even have a Smartphone - my mobile phone is more than 10 years old! Wonder what Adrian's sniggerers would think of me, eh?

    I couldn't give a monkey's toss, and that's about the level of importance/relevance superficial tossers like that occupy. One thing that age and experience *should* bring is the self-assuredness and confidence not to give a fuck what anyone thinks of you (or how they judge you), and do what YOU want, what YOU think is right, regardless!

    Marco.
    mine does everything i need really. plus it cost me nowt as it was the boys.
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    Oh my god! There's nothing wrong with the bidet is there?

    “Nothing discloses real character like the use of power. It is easy for the weak to be gentle. Most people can bear adversity. But if you wish to know what a man really is, give him power. This is the supreme test. It is the glory of Lincoln that, having almost absolute power, he never abused it, except on the side of mercy".

    “You see these dictators on their pedestals, surrounded by the bayonets of their soldiers and the truncheons of their police ... yet in their hearts there is unspoken fear. They are afraid of words and thoughts: words spoken abroad, thoughts stirring at home -- all the more powerful because forbidden -- terrify them. A little mouse of thought appears in the room, and even the mightiest potentates are thrown into panic.”

    "You don't have free will. You have the appearance of free will.”

    “There's a war out there, old friend. A world war. And it's not about who's got the most bullets. It's about who controls the information. What we see and hear, how we work, what we think... it's all about the information!”


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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    mine does everything i need really. plus it cost me nowt as it was the boys.
    Lol - I applaud your recycling regime

    If anyone sniggered at me for not having an 'up to date' phone, once they'd been given a slap, I'd tell them that I don't need one because I've got a real life, not a virtual one!

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