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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Because it doesn't suit the objectivist agenda!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RothwellAudio View Post
    Now I'm confused. Are you saying the placebo effect cannot exist in the world of hi-fi sales, or that you personally are immune to it?
    I think that hi-fi magazine reviewers, sales people etc. constitute people with authority in many consumers' eyes.
    I can only speak for myself of course. My take on placebo (or placebo effect) is that it needs another party to impose/inflict/whatever the condition upon me - I cannot generate or have the placebo effect on my own.

    If people place their trust in magazine reviews and dealers then that is their individual choice. Both of these parties stand to gain from their recommendations to you the reader and you must use some wisdom in your dealings.

    Paying £120 for a fancy upgrade mains cable that is a freebie dressed up to look the part is duping people, not triggering a placebo event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Just to comment quickly on this:



    Indeed. "Identical" *must* mean IDENTICAL, even to the point of the solder used to make the necessary connections, and how well that was done, otherwise the test is null and void, and thus could have explained why people heard differences between supposedly "identical power leads".



    Because it doesn't suit the objectivist agenda!

    Plus, people always believe what they want to believe [in whatever is least likely to cause them the distress of questioning what they've always thought to be true], and that fact applies to 'non-believers' in fancy mains leads, just as much as it does to the opposite.

    Marco.
    After the wigwam test the objectivists were once again jumping for joy at the inconclusive result. It never crossed their minds that the test itself was flawed and not one jot of true objectivism was present. Still, it massaged their smugness for a week or two, bless them
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    Quote Originally Posted by RothwellAudio View Post
    Yes, indeed an ordinary cable dressed-up as something fancy would be duping people. I'd say that hearing a difference could well be due to a placebo effect or expectation bias.
    I am going to agree with you on that point. I sometimes forget that there are folks who have no experience in these matters and can be fooled quite easily. I still cling to the hope that one day they start asking questions and pay close attention to what they are hearing in the cold light of day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nonuffin View Post
    After the wigwam test the objectivists were once again jumping for joy at the inconclusive result. It never crossed their minds that the test itself was flawed and not one jot of true objectivism was present. Still, it massaged their smugness for a week or two, bless them


    Serge must've been sat there, sporting the biggest stiffy of his life [of course at his age with the aid of Viagra]!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonuffin View Post
    I am going to agree with you on that point. I sometimes forget that there are folks who have no experience in these matters and can be fooled quite easily. I still cling to the hope that one day they start asking questions and pay close attention to what they are hearing in the cold light of day.
    ...or have the gumption to trust their OWN ears, and make their hi-fi decisions on that basis, rather than blindly obeying the 'rules of electrical theory'/physics, accepted wisdom, text books written by 'respected scientists' (or academics), or being told what to do by a supposed 'expert' in a white lab coat

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    Ok, let's cut to the chase...

    Please may I/we have list of mains cables that people think make a 'sound' improvement over the so-called 'kettle' leads?

    (All less than , say, £80 per metre, terminated at both ends.)

    I hasten to add that I have made up 3 of the cheaper end of MCRU's offerings. Any improvement has been 'subtle', but I like the idea of the extra screening.

    Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonky View Post
    Ok, let's cut to the chase...

    Please may I/we have list of mains cables that people think make a 'sound' improvement over the so-called 'kettle' leads?

    (All less than , say, £80 per metre, terminated at both ends.)

    I hasten to add that I have made up 3 of the cheaper end of MCRU's offerings. Any improvement has been 'subtle', but I like the idea of the extra screening.

    Thanks.
    Ask Mr MCRU to have a trial of the No 75 cable. It is a bit above your budget sadly. I have one and will say no more.

    The Supra LoRad cables are pretty good, especially with wattgate plugs on.
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    I have found that anything with a switch mode power supply seems to have much less improvement from an upgrade cable. I would say pretty much immune.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RothwellAudio View Post
    It would be a big leap from that to claiming the same mains cable would have the same benefits on all and any equipment it was used with.
    Good stuff, but that leap wasn't necessary (and also unlikely to have been the case, as such cables are known to be both equipment and mains dependent); the important thing was, you heard a difference.

    It's just a pity you didn't have more time to test (via whatever means YOU believed was sufficient) whether you considered the difference as being real or imagined.

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    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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