Johns Hopkins Medical Centre - World Coronavirus infection Map by Country.

[struth]

the was an article recently that they thought sotland was approaching herd. we seem to have been ahead of uk this last surge; probably due to schools and different hols etc plus we still use masks. once english schools get most infected/vaxinated it will come down.
deaths will increase and stay high for a while tho

[Stryder5]

its folk who have had covid in many cases and obviously some that have it now. a double whammy. the incompetance is in not making sure staff are available for hospital and care homes plus home visit carers. that is the major problem. jobs are being offered to folk who are in these jobs with better money etc so they are leaving in droves too.

if i had to go into hospital i may not get out as ive no-one to look after me... so i'll be damned if im going in

Incompetence in staffing is far too simplistic, it goes much further.

As I’ve said before, the Government both national and NHS are guilty of not seeing the solution, but not recognising the problem whether purposefully or sheer stupidity!

I’m repeating myself again......if you want to protect the NHS you concentrate on effective treatment so people don’t get hospitalised, did they do this no, they sent alleged cases home to get worse or die!

The case for lessened infection capability of “jabbed” people is not proven, and the way masks are utilised in reality is just plain stupid. Does every scientist walk round not using their eyes? Where’s the MSM on how to wear a mask to the WHO’s conditions for effective interruption of airborne infection? The Government’s outline how to make a mask is laughable!

Kin hell people, just think FFS!

[Macca]

I don't really think about it to be honest. If it wasn't for this thread and that I see the occasional person 'wearing' a mask I'd probably have forgotten that it's still going on.

[Pigmy Pony]

The case for lessened infection capability of “jabbed” people is not proven

Sorry to pluck this bit out of the post, but it got me wondering...

If the vaccines can either guard against infection, or at least mitigate the severity of such, is it possible that many of those 'double jabbed' (by being largely asymptomatic) could be unknowingly infecting others? (assuming the vaccinated may still be able to pass it on).

If so, folks who thought that they didn't need the jab as the great majority who had it will help to bring about the end of the pandemic may be in for an awakening this winter.

So imo the case for being vaccinated is not about protecting others, but more about self-protection. Like the wearing of seat belts and crash helmets.

[Stryder5]

I think that’s, perhaps, the right attitude Martin, I just can’t do it.

Gary

[Stryder5]

Sorry to pluck this bit out of the post, but it got me wondering...

If the vaccines can either guard against infection, or at least mitigate the severity of such, is it possible that many of those 'double jabbed' (by being largely asymptomatic) could be unknowingly infecting others? (assuming the vaccinated may still be able to pass it on).

If so, folks who thought that they didn't need the jab as the great majority who had it will help to bring about the end of the pandemic may be in for an awakening this winter.

So imo the case for being vaccinated is not about protecting others, but more about self-protection. Like the wearing of seat belts and crash helmets.

I can see and understand this, but on the other hand, the long term effects of vaccination after vaccination are definitely unknown. So, in the end the vaccinated may be in for an awakening long term.

Assuming the vaccine is self protection, with an unknown lifespan, then an intravenous vaccine drip would be appropriate apparel.

Gary

[Pigmy Pony]

I can see and understand this, but on the other hand, the long term effects of vaccination after vaccination are definitely unknown. So, in the end the vaccinated may be in for an awakening long term.

Assuming the vaccine is self protection, with an unknown lifespan, then an intravenous vaccine drip would be appropriate apparel.

Gary

I'd be ok with that if they came in a range of attractive colours

True, we don't know the long-term effects of multiple vaccinations, what we do know is the short term effect of Covid for many

[Marco]

If so, folks who thought that they didn't need the jab as the great majority who had it will help to bring about the end of the pandemic may be in for an awakening this winter.

Before I respond properly, could you clarify what you mean by "an awakening"? I'm pretty sure I know what you're getting at, but just want to be sure.

As for the rest, the vaccinated can indeed still transmit the virus. Vaccination only reduces transmission by (a claimed, but not proven) 50%, so that still leaves plenty of scope for the vaccinated to pass it on!

So imo the case for being vaccinated is not about protecting others, but more about self-protection. Like the wearing of seat belts and crash helmets.

Absolutely so, and has always been the case, which is also why the introduction of 'vaccine passports' is much more about coercion and government control, than protecting others!

Marco.

[Marco]

True, we don't know the long-term effects of multiple vaccinations, what we do know is the short term effect of Covid for *many*

Indeed, but not forgetting of course that the effect for most (i.e. the non-elderly without any serious underlying conditions), is mild, flu-like symptoms at worst, otherwise we'd have had a MUCH more serious situation on our hands.

"Most" equaling the overwhelming majority of the population. Whilst not wishing to underplay the seriousness of the virus for those most at risk from becoming seriously ill or dying from it, we must not lose sight of that fact.

Marco.

[Bksabath]

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