The donkey's set up

[paulf-2007]

Thanks Ollie.

Erm, yes the Pioneers are that good, they are a phenomenal cost no object design that knock out 60w per channel in class A (so double as room heaters!). Thing is with speakers at 104db they rarely get over 0.3w in my small listening room!

They weren't cheap either in 1980-84 - http://www.thevintageknob.org/pioneer-M-Z1.html

I assume you have listened to the avantgardes with other amps, the reason I ask is I visited a member on wigwam with avantgarde duo and he used kronzilla valve amps with huge valves, can't remember the output, probably 40w, but they sounded far better with my 2A3 and 300B amps. I wonder if you don't get the best out of the amps at such low output, bit like driving a Ferrari in a 20mph limit every day. Lovely kit though.