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  1. #11
    Join Date: Aug 2014

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    Quote Originally Posted by rubber duck View Post
    But Marco, you've already planted the seeds of doubt...
    Still reckon i want one though, iconic product!


    My System:

    Turntable - Linn Sondek LP12, Kore, Lingo 4, Roksan NIMA, AT33SA Cartridge , Roksan HDC-03 arm lead, Solid Base, Tiger Paw Vulcan, Denon DCD-A110 Cd player, Tag Mclaren DAC20 Digital to Analogue Converter, SPM Interconnects, Nordost Red Dawn Leif Speaker cable, Spendor S3/5R2 Target R1 speaker Stands, Atacama ECO 60/40 hifi racks, Sennheiser HD565 Ovation headphones

  2. #12
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    Lol - sometimes the 'What If?' demon bites harder!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

  3. #13
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    Hmmm, speed stability, timbral and tonal accuracy along with fit and forget reliability or an old fruit box with with a tilted response that changes with the wind.

    Move along, no decision to make here.
    Kuzma Stabi/S 12", (LP12-bastard) DC motor and optical tacho psu, Benz LP, Paradise (phonostage). Imac m1, gustard A18dac, Bruno Putzeys balanced pre, neurochrome 486 dual mono amps, Yamaha NS1000m with raal ribbons

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    Lol.... Well, it's "an old fruit box" that Andrew seems pretty happy with so far - and that's the point to bear in mind.

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

  5. #15
    Join Date: Aug 2014

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    That old fruit box was brand new in 2016 and set me back £6.5k. I love the soumd of the Linn, wanted one for over 25 years, it may be old hat but I just love the sound.

    That being said there's something very special about a SL which I still think can't be beaten. I've got a large collection of 78's and 7” 45's as well 12” singles and except the 78's it's not the same playing them on a Linn.

    Detachable headshell is a huge bonus onvoisly and it also looks a million dollars worth!
    Last edited by allthingsanalogue; 28-10-2017 at 08:37.


    My System:

    Turntable - Linn Sondek LP12, Kore, Lingo 4, Roksan NIMA, AT33SA Cartridge , Roksan HDC-03 arm lead, Solid Base, Tiger Paw Vulcan, Denon DCD-A110 Cd player, Tag Mclaren DAC20 Digital to Analogue Converter, SPM Interconnects, Nordost Red Dawn Leif Speaker cable, Spendor S3/5R2 Target R1 speaker Stands, Atacama ECO 60/40 hifi racks, Sennheiser HD565 Ovation headphones

  6. #16
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    You tell him, Andrew!

    Anyway, and this is a very serious point, if you get the Techy, I'd enjoy and get to know it 'as is' for a few months, then do two very important things to it, which if necessary are reversible, if you want to eliminate two MASSIVELY limiting factors:

    1) Fit a decent mat, such as an Achromat, as what comes as standard simply isn't fit for hi-fi purposes.

    2) Replace the tonearm (which will easily come off, and can be put back later if necessary, returning the T/T to stock) with something like a Jelco SA-750 (thus retaining the convenience of a detachable headshell), and be careful with cartridge choice, no matter which arm you use, even the stock one.

    Trust me, the tonearm change will remove a major bottleneck and launch the T/T into an entirely different sonic league!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    As a result of some research I have been doing I have recently built an LP12 bitsa to achieve a 1980s type build in an early plinth. I am pleased with the sound it produces but there is definitely a quality to the bass which I believe is the "bloom" that people refer to.

    I also have a mid 90s build with Cirkus, Lingo, Trampoline, Ekos. I am running an AT-F7 cartridge. I have the same cartridge on a Sony PS-X600 biotracer and tonally I would struggle to distinguish them apart with none of the bloom. Given Andrew has the Kore sub chassis on a modern build then I would think it will also be likely that his deck is fairly neutral from that perspective. The modern springs also are quite stable and the sound does not change over time or go off that I have noticed.

    This is a Technics sub forum and I don't have direct experience of the 1210 to comment on that deck. I do have the relatively cheap SL D202 and SL Q202 which on paper have the same spec as the 1210 but nowhere near the same build quality. For playing singles I actually prefer the fully automatic functions of the Sony so don't have to worry about cueing. I can have that deck on the floor quite close to where I am sitting and can just reach over to change records without getting up. It makes playing 45s a pleasure.

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    Well I spent a lot of time listening to a Linn during the nineties and got to love the sound. In 2009 I owned a stock SL1210 and have to be honest that if these mods really do transform the thing then that can only be a good thing.
    I kept the 1210 for around six months. That was enough, however I appreciate that there is a massive difference in price between the two and I also appreciate that the difference in concept is also massive.

  9. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haselsh1 View Post
    Well I spent a lot of time listening to a Linn during the nineties and got to love the sound. In 2009 I owned a stock SL1210 and have to be honest that if these mods really do transform the thing then that can only be a good thing.
    Shaun, I could confidently guarantee that you'd be blown away by the sound of my modded Techy, playing the electronica you love!



    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

  10. #20
    Join Date: Aug 2014

    Location: Norfolk

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    I'm Andrew.

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    Well it's either this or a Yamaha AS3000 amplifier! I can't get both!



    My System:

    Turntable - Linn Sondek LP12, Kore, Lingo 4, Roksan NIMA, AT33SA Cartridge , Roksan HDC-03 arm lead, Solid Base, Tiger Paw Vulcan, Denon DCD-A110 Cd player, Tag Mclaren DAC20 Digital to Analogue Converter, SPM Interconnects, Nordost Red Dawn Leif Speaker cable, Spendor S3/5R2 Target R1 speaker Stands, Atacama ECO 60/40 hifi racks, Sennheiser HD565 Ovation headphones

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