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  1. #11
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    Hi Oliver,

    I have purchased my NOS Tesla E83CC from Jac van de Walle in Germany. His website is http://www.jacmusic.com. It was a pleasure to do business with him, as he is a very knowledgeable guy.

    Cheers,
    Panos



    Quote Originally Posted by OD1 View Post
    Gents,
    I would like to try some Tesla ECC83 32's in my Croft 25R, put have been put off so far due to not wanting to buy "fakes".
    Could you please advise where you purchased yours from, or any good sources in the UK (not EBay) ?

    I currently use new issue Genelex Gold Lions in the phono stage, Yellow print Sylvania 12BH7A in the linestage & Nos Mullards in the
    power supply.

    Thanks in advance
    Oliver
    System1: Lenco L75 with custom plinth, SLAT, sph bearing, SG4 external power supply + Alfred Bokrand AB-309 tonearm + Denon DL103R (aluminum body) + Well Tempered 12" tonearm clone + Denon DL103R (wooden body), ASR Mini Basis Exclusive HV, Marantz CD6005, LAB12 DAC1 SE+, Hattor BIG passive + active pre, Lab12 Suono power amp, Falcon LS3/5a Gold Badge, LAB12 Gordian, Belden 8428, Black Cat Red Level Triode, LAB12 Knack MkII

    System 2: Roksan Xerxes original (HiFi Inspire plinth) with Maxon ReMax motor + Audiomods Series6 + Ortofon Cadenza Black microridge retipped, ASR Mini Basis Exclusive, Marantz CD6003, Croft Micro25R + Series7R monoblocks (110W/ea), Harbeth SHL5 Plus 40th Anniv.

    System 3: Marantz CD6003, Croft SuperMicroII ('R' spec by Croft, Tesla E83CC in phono)+ Series7, Snell Type EII (with bypass caps, new internal wiring, WBT nextgen 0703Cu), Mark Grant HDX1, Atlas Hyper 3.0

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    Yep,

    he is also a very reliable supplier of NOS valves and quite an authority on genuine vs fake valves.

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    Thanks Guys,
    I have ordered a matched pair from Mullardman, will update (if ok with you Pankon ?) in this thread once received.
    I think I will have to resist looking in on Aos for at least 3 months, it is hitting my pocket HARD
    At least my ears are enjoying the journey

    Now where did I hide my screwdriver to open the Croft ?

    Oliver

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    Oliver,

    please feel free to update this thread with your opinion about the valves you will install in your Croft preamp. Which valves will you be replacing? Standard JJ ECC83S?

    Cheers,
    Panos

    Quote Originally Posted by OD1 View Post
    Thanks Guys,
    I have ordered a matched pair from Mullardman, will update (if ok with you Pankon ?) in this thread once received.
    I think I will have to resist looking in on Aos for at least 3 months, it is hitting my pocket HARD
    At least my ears are enjoying the journey

    Now where did I hide my screwdriver to open the Croft ?

    Oliver
    System1: Lenco L75 with custom plinth, SLAT, sph bearing, SG4 external power supply + Alfred Bokrand AB-309 tonearm + Denon DL103R (aluminum body) + Well Tempered 12" tonearm clone + Denon DL103R (wooden body), ASR Mini Basis Exclusive HV, Marantz CD6005, LAB12 DAC1 SE+, Hattor BIG passive + active pre, Lab12 Suono power amp, Falcon LS3/5a Gold Badge, LAB12 Gordian, Belden 8428, Black Cat Red Level Triode, LAB12 Knack MkII

    System 2: Roksan Xerxes original (HiFi Inspire plinth) with Maxon ReMax motor + Audiomods Series6 + Ortofon Cadenza Black microridge retipped, ASR Mini Basis Exclusive, Marantz CD6003, Croft Micro25R + Series7R monoblocks (110W/ea), Harbeth SHL5 Plus 40th Anniv.

    System 3: Marantz CD6003, Croft SuperMicroII ('R' spec by Croft, Tesla E83CC in phono)+ Series7, Snell Type EII (with bypass caps, new internal wiring, WBT nextgen 0703Cu), Mark Grant HDX1, Atlas Hyper 3.0

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    The cream of the crop of the Teslas have cross sword markings.

    TBH the yellow print ECC803S 32 is as good as the Telefunken ECC803S. I know as I owned both. The Teles cost a fortune, but I made money on them. They are no better IMHO, they sound almost exactly the same. Extremely close.

    I have a quad of cross sword yellow print E88CC 32s and they are fantastic. Paid around £120 for them but they are getting scarce, so I'd expect more for those now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by User211 View Post
    The cream of the crop of the Teslas have cross sword markings.

    TBH the yellow print ECC803S 32 is as good as the Telefunken ECC803S. I know as I owned both. The Teles cost a fortune, but I made money on them. They are no better IMHO, they sound almost exactly the same. Extremely close.

    I have a quad of cross sword yellow print E88CC 32s and they are fantastic. Paid around £120 for them but they are getting scarce, so I'd expect more for those now.
    Is that £120 for 4 or each valve? I may be interested in buying a pair off you.

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    By the way, Justin, are they NOS or used (simply Old Stock)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Is that £120 for 4 or each valve? I may be interested in buying a pair off you.
    System1: Lenco L75 with custom plinth, SLAT, sph bearing, SG4 external power supply + Alfred Bokrand AB-309 tonearm + Denon DL103R (aluminum body) + Well Tempered 12" tonearm clone + Denon DL103R (wooden body), ASR Mini Basis Exclusive HV, Marantz CD6005, LAB12 DAC1 SE+, Hattor BIG passive + active pre, Lab12 Suono power amp, Falcon LS3/5a Gold Badge, LAB12 Gordian, Belden 8428, Black Cat Red Level Triode, LAB12 Knack MkII

    System 2: Roksan Xerxes original (HiFi Inspire plinth) with Maxon ReMax motor + Audiomods Series6 + Ortofon Cadenza Black microridge retipped, ASR Mini Basis Exclusive, Marantz CD6003, Croft Micro25R + Series7R monoblocks (110W/ea), Harbeth SHL5 Plus 40th Anniv.

    System 3: Marantz CD6003, Croft SuperMicroII ('R' spec by Croft, Tesla E83CC in phono)+ Series7, Snell Type EII (with bypass caps, new internal wiring, WBT nextgen 0703Cu), Mark Grant HDX1, Atlas Hyper 3.0

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    No I am using them - none for sale! They were £120 for 4 and totally NOS.

    Bear in mind they are E88CC cross sword, not E83CC.

    You can find some cross swords on ebay - now.

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    When I said I'd expect more for them - I actually meant I'd expect them to cost more from someone commercial seller, if that was the misunderstanding.

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2x-TESLA-E...IAAOSwsN9XCtJW

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    My NOS Tesla were actually manufactured in August 1982, according to their marking on the glass (IH). Although not of the oldest Teslas, however the sound is magnificent. Perhaps it has to do with their frame grid construction, which -in the view of several experts- make a big difference.

    In any case, they were a big improvement over my stock ECC83 valves (HRS and Ei).
    System1: Lenco L75 with custom plinth, SLAT, sph bearing, SG4 external power supply + Alfred Bokrand AB-309 tonearm + Denon DL103R (aluminum body) + Well Tempered 12" tonearm clone + Denon DL103R (wooden body), ASR Mini Basis Exclusive HV, Marantz CD6005, LAB12 DAC1 SE+, Hattor BIG passive + active pre, Lab12 Suono power amp, Falcon LS3/5a Gold Badge, LAB12 Gordian, Belden 8428, Black Cat Red Level Triode, LAB12 Knack MkII

    System 2: Roksan Xerxes original (HiFi Inspire plinth) with Maxon ReMax motor + Audiomods Series6 + Ortofon Cadenza Black microridge retipped, ASR Mini Basis Exclusive, Marantz CD6003, Croft Micro25R + Series7R monoblocks (110W/ea), Harbeth SHL5 Plus 40th Anniv.

    System 3: Marantz CD6003, Croft SuperMicroII ('R' spec by Croft, Tesla E83CC in phono)+ Series7, Snell Type EII (with bypass caps, new internal wiring, WBT nextgen 0703Cu), Mark Grant HDX1, Atlas Hyper 3.0

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