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    Yes, exactly, that goes without saying, my first and foremost reason for using that paticular Stepped attenuator was its sonic performance, however, the fact that it used surface mount components was also a huge positive for the reasons outlined in my previous post.
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    Yes, and the stepped attenuators you use (DACT, with SMD-type resistors fitted) also happen to sound very good, because if they didn't, then no matter how 'safe' things were in transit, you wouldn't use them!

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    Absolutely, mate, I just wanted to ensure that folks were clear on the fact that your choice of using the DACT was primarily for sound quality reasons, and not simply logistical practicalities!

    Marco.
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    A little questionette.

    I run a series stepped attenuator (Khozmo) - Is it possible to convert mine in to 'shunt' or are the Goldpoint ones somehow different?
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    It could easily be done, but I wouldn't recommend it in the Croft, certainly if yours is anything like mine, as it didn't like the reduction in gain. It's different with the Goldpoint, as there is no gain there to begin with!

    If you decide to get an SA4M (although I would opt for a 24-stepper instead and save yourself some money), then I would ask Duncan to rewire the switches, as he did in mine, from a series to a 'shunt-type series' (thereby obtaining some of the benefits of both worlds), or probably better still, ask him to build you a passive preamp from scratch, using all your favourite 'bits'.

    In that respect, I'd go for 'blank' Goldpoint dual-mono switches, and then fill them with Z-foils. That would be awesome! It's probably the way mine will end up

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Adder View Post
    A little questionette.

    I run a series stepped attenuator (Khozmo) - Is it possible to convert mine in to 'shunt' or are the Goldpoint ones somehow different?
    Pretty much any stepped attenuator or even potentiometer can be converted to shunt operation. It used to be a common mod for the Alps Blue type. I run a shunted stepped attenuator in my valve/hybrid pre amp and it works just fine. Someone posted a picture of the modification wiring earlier in this thread. (post #318)

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    Well, as well as buying a cheaper Dale 'ladder type' attenuator, I'm going to take the plunge and make a bloody pair of shunt attenuators myself! I can use wanky ones in series and currently, thoughts are veering towards Takmans for the shunts.. Switches already ordered and resistors once finances have recovered...
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    Did you go for Elma switches, Dave? IMO, those are about the best. Swiss made. It's what Goldpoint use on their attenuators. Why have you decided on Takmans? I thought you'd have 'toed the party line' and opted for Shinkohs!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    I don't 'bloody' know I haven't thought it through yet. My system and funds don't allow for expensive switches as you use, so the basic ones as used by NVA in the cheaper preamp should do me well (the Tisbury types are ok for me for example and I'm still using them). Rather than fork out a ton, I'm hoping to save some dosh if I do it myself, that's all and obviously, the other amps I use may or may not like a shunt type pot.


    By the way and on a completely different tack, a VERY good CD for judging amps and 'stuff,' could be 'Some Great Reward,' by Depeche Mode. I played this at lunchtime and was more than a bit taken aback...
    I can't go on and I can't go back, I don't feel so matter of fact,
    I tried and tried to make good sense, What's the good to try it all again?

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    Lol - no worries. Hope it works out well. Keep us posted

    Noted on the DM track!

    Marco.
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    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL, in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by awkwardbydesign View Post
    My post was in reply to YNWAN's point about Clarity Caps, not about resistors.
    It's not really my point, I was just repeating what the Clarity Cap research found.
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