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  1. #1471
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    The dac's PCM volume is set too low, your signal to noise is reduced.

    Set the PCM to 86 = 0Db anything less is reducing your signal to noise.
    Set both Playbacks to 100 = 2volt or 0 = 1volt if you set this to 0 = 1volt you can increase your PCM in Volumio and increase your signal to noise and reduce the clicks
    Last edited by tubehunter; 07-06-2015 at 20:43. Reason: Error of 1%��

  2. #1472
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    I thought 86 (PCM) was 0db, Dunc?

    Marco.
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    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

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  3. #1473
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    Thanks Duncan. PCM is at 85 - my alsamixer (picore) doesn't have an 86 (85 then 87). Playbacks are both up as you suggest. Clicks still there intermittently and the more I listen the less I am able to attribute them precisely to definable differences in track quality or suchlike. Anyway, I'll take this issue away for a few days while I experiment some more as I don't wish to become a 'click bore'.... though any further thoughts or suggestions are of course very welcome.

    Simon
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    Hi Simon,

    You can also set the PCM level out with of Alsamixer, simply by moving the (volume) dial up and down, in the Playback section of Volumio. That can easily be adjusted in increments of one, from 0-100. Therefore, if you want, set it to 86, using that process.

    Simply keep the Hardware opinion enabled, and adjust the dial to 86, and leave it there. You can then disable Hardware, if you wish, and the system will always default to the 86 position, until you change it again

    In terms of eradicating your 'clicks', make sure that the 'Buffer before play' option, in the Playback section of Volumio, is enabled (and thus set at 10%). If it is, try increasing it to 20%, and see what happens then

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & regulator mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat with Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight. Isonoe feet & boots. Ortofon RS-212D tonearm with Denon DL-103GL in a Denon PCL-300 headshell, fitted with Funk Firm Houdini and Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp and Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp, fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.

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    Rather than use alsmaixer, you can set the IQAUDIO DAC+ volume level to +0db with this command:

    Code:
    amixer -c X sset PCM 86% -M
    Where X is the "card" number, which may be, 0 or 1, depending on your setup. To decide the number, use this command:

    Code:
    aplay -l
    If the results is this:

    Code:
    card 0: sndrpihifiberry [snd_rpi_hifiberry_dac], device 0: HifiBerry DAC HiFi pcm5102a-hifi-0 []
    Then X is 0. Otherwise just use the card number returned by the command.
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    3. Rpi B+/HifiDigi B+ (with isolation transformer) Running "SqueezeOnArch" - https://github.com/SqueezeOnArch
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  6. #1476
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    For those like me who are new to this , here is another interesting review , quite positive indeed :

    http://parttimeaudiophile.com/2015/0...usic-streamer/

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    OK, so I have been trying the PI DAC+ for a few days or so and like it.

    However, as my external DAC setup handles DSD and sounds just as good, if not better according to my wife, I am going to stick with that.

    So I am going to stick the PI DAC+ and the clear smoked case for IQaudIO for sale if anyone is interested.

    Guy

  8. #1478
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG View Post
    piCorePlayer doesn't seem to upsample by default but there are an array of settings for squeelite to set it up. However, for some reason, its quirky and the settings don't always 'stick'. With a lot of mucking about I've managed to force it into submission.

    Here's what I did:
    In Upsample Settings I put in mI then saved it.
    Reload the page and add X to the Upsample Settings so: mIX
    Save it then reboot.

    With the IQAudio DAC+ this forces it to upsample to 192KHz

    If you want to keep up sampling to an Integer value for 44.1 material go back to the settings page for squeezelite and type -u (minus u) in the various input box
    Save it, then in the max sample rate box type 176400 Save it and reboot.

    To check what is actually being o/p ssh into the RPi (user: tc password: nosoup4u) and cut n paste this into the command line:
    sudo cat /proc/asound/card1/pcm0p/sub0/hw_params


    What ever you do do not be tempted to use 352800 in the max sample rate box, you'll need to re image your SD card

    The mIX setting is interesting, the first letter defines how much SOX suppresses alias artefacts from the up sampling process, you can set v h m l or q (Very High, High, Medium, Low and Quick) I think the higher settings take more processing to achieve and may not be the best sounding, h or m seem to work well.

    The second letter chooses which type of filtering you use and so far I've found this make a very noticeable change to the sound, you can choose M for minimum phase, I for Intermediate or L for Linear I prefer the intermediate filter, the X ensures the up sampling is done to the highest rate set IE 176400
    Hi Neal, very useful reference post...

    I've been having a play with piCorePlayer/Squeezelite's SoX upsampling capabilities using...

    'vIsX:::28::'

    ...which the settings have taken first time, saved, and restarted with new settings...and it's working, at least I think it is

    I've used the above command...

    To check what is actually being o/p ssh into the RPi (user: tc password: nosoup4u) and cut n paste this into the command line:
    sudo cat /proc/asound/card1/pcm0p/sub0/hw_params


    ...and I see

    tc@piCorePlayer:~$ sudo cat /proc/asound/card1/pcm0p/sub0/hw_params
    access: RW_INTERLEAVED
    format: S32_LE
    subformat: STD
    channels: 2
    rate: 192000 (192000/1)
    period_size: 3840
    buffer_size: 15360


    ...so is this the current output rate, or what the DAC is capable of? My assumption from your post is that this is a real time sample of the output

    Cheers for any clarification...

    Edit;

    Easily proven, just reset to no upsampling, restarted, and now back to...

    tc@piCorePlayer:~$ sudo cat /proc/asound/card1/pcm0p/sub0/hw_params
    access: RW_INTERLEAVED
    format: S32_LE
    subformat: STD
    channels: 2
    rate: 44100 (44100/1)
    period_size: 882
    buffer_size: 3528


    ...so it's obviously working

    Now to see if it sounds any better or worse, and whether there are any synchronisation issues with my other players, due to the buffer size differentials
    Last edited by WAD62; 12-06-2015 at 15:36.
    Cheers, Will

  9. #1479
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    Hi Will, yes thats the current sample rate being played....
    Listening in a Foo free Zone...

    Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

  10. #1480
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG View Post
    Hi Will, yes thats the current sample rate being played....
    Cheers, Will

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