The Mike New Technics Bearing

[MikeMusic]

Dunno about subjectivist, this is getting close to faith-based audio!

Knowing Martin and his system very well I'd do it.

If you don't then yes !

[Marco]

Dunno about subjectivist, this is getting close to faith-based audio!

Why? It seems like perfectly sensible advice to me: you 'suck it and see', and once sucked, if you don't like the taste, you spit it out and go back to sucking what you had before...

That's all perfectly normal in the world I inhabit

Arf!

Marco.

[Joe]

Why? It seems like perfectly sensible advice to me: you 'suck it and see', and once sucked, if you don't like the taste, you spit it out and go back to sucking what you had before...

That's all perfectly normal in the world I inhabit

Marco.

Well, yes, if it was a simple case of 'I'll try this, and if I don't like it I'll take/send it back.' All you've lost then is some time and the return postage costs.

But here we have a non-reversible mod*, so if you try it and don't like it, you're faced with the hassle and cost of a) sourcing a 'new' turntable and b) selling on your 'modded' turntable. Seems a huge gamble to me for what might be little or no benefit.

*I'm assuming that there's no 'return if not satisfied' option, as there usually is for mail order items.

[Marco]

I'm pretty sure there will be a way of testing the BBP, roughly, by not gluing it down too firmly, in order to listen to its sonic effect, and then once one has decided that the effect is desirable, fixing it more permanently.

Honestly, the Scottish term: 'a bunch of sweetie wives, bumping their gums', for the sake of it, or making a mountain out of a molehill, whilst indulging in unnecessary scaremongering, comes to mind!

Marco.

[Joe]

I'm pretty sure there will be a way of testing the BBP, roughly, by not gluing it down too firmly, in order to listen to its sonic effect, and then once one has decided that the effect is desirable, fixing it more permanently.

I'm fairly sure it would be deemed 'non-returnable' by the vendor once you'd put some glue on it!

[Marco]

Lol - it's only a bloody metal plate, and not in any way expensive, so if it's use doesn't work out, then one simply bins it and writes it off as a mistake - no biggie!!

Marco.

[MartinT]

Dunno about subjectivist, this is getting close to faith-based audio!

I've never advocated the base plate unless you're wanting the ultimate Technics mod and you have pretty much all the other mods done. I don't do 'faith based' recommendations, I've always said that you should listen for yourself. Now, I do accept that listening to a base plate is going to be difficult as not many of us have them fitted and you can't do a before/after comparison.

However, the concept is not much different from the Linn Cirkus and all of those chassis mods for various decks. You can apply the technical details to a thought experiment and come to your own conclusion. Many here have said they won't be going for it and that's absolutely fine.

[Joe]

Lol - it's only a bloody metal plate, and not in any way expensive, so if it's use doesn't work out, then one simply bins it and writes it off as a mistake - no biggie!!

Marco.

Ah, but metal plates in hifi tend to be more expensive than 'normal' metal plates. Is there a confirmed price for this particular one?

[Marco]

Ah, but metal plates in hifi tend to be more expensive than 'normal' metal plates.

Lol - very good!

The other thing worth noting here is that I've heard Martin's T/T numerous times (fitted with a bearing base-plate), and compared it with mine in his system, and let's just say that the BBP doesn't appear to be 'holding it back' too much!!

Marco.

[keiron99]

<Yawn> ... This is AoS: a subjectivist forum where we trust our ears...I couldn't give the slightest tossing wank about measurements...
Why you feel qualified to discredit an item you haven't even heard beggars belief

Marco, with reference to your posts targeting me above, I would let this rest but you are publicly and inaccurately misrepresenting and mocking me.

I have not “discredited” either of these products, which for all I know, may sound stunning, or may sound crap. I simply said I would be interested in some measurements because I cannot understand how these items can make such a “significant improvement”. Spending so much money, on blind faith, is a big leap for me. I also qualified it by saying I hadn’t heard them and thought my smiley was judiciously placed. This is far from “deriding”.

As for the mocking “yawn” you aimed at me and your comment you “couldn’t give the slightest tossing wank about measurements” - ignoring the lack of respect here - I can only say that I’m grateful that the engineers who design most products do give a toss. I like my turntable to run at 33 1/3, not 34 rpm. I want to know it will work safely on 240v. I want to be able to measure VTF accurately. I know this is not a technical forum, but a modicum of latitude should be tolerated posters being subject to abuse and, I feel, would enhance the discussion.

I don’t know why you are being so defensive and closing the debate down with your “… - end of” comment, just because I’m not inclined to positive bias toward the products on faith. People posing questions are not “scaremongering”.

I have re-read the ‘ethos’ and nowhere does it say that discussion of engineering principles or measurements is not allowed. Indeed it makes specific reference to welcoming viewpoints based on measurement. I do notice you’ve broken at least four of your own rules in your last couple of postings though.

But hey, this is your gaff, so I’ll back out of this one.